As most are sitting anxiously in wait for Trayvon Martin’s final toxicology report, I’ve had time to do a bit of research into the medications that GEORGE ZIMMERMAN admitted to having been prescribed from various documents released.
GEORGE ZIMMERMAN admitted to having been diagnosed as a child with ADHD when interviewed by homicide detective Chris Serino. He admitted taking Adderall for this condition. Adderal is also listed in his recently released medical report dated February 27, 2012.
*See Released Medical Report dated February 27, 2012 – for complete report in Sources.
Although the copy is of poor quality, it shows Zimmerman on 2/13/2012 was given a written prescription for 60 Adderall – 20 mg tablets, to be taken by mouth, 1 tablet twice a day.
List of medications from George Zimmerman’s medical report:
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Active Medications.•
Date !Drug & Dosage Qty ISIG Refill Note
02127/2012 Iodine 400 mg tablet 60 1 tablet PO BID Oprn pain
02i13/2012 ladderall 20 mg tablet 60 1 1ablet PO BID OWritten Rx Given
P1123t2012 ,emazepam 30 mg capsule 90 1 capsule (hard, soft, 0
~tc.)PO HS
P1123/2012 ~m eprazole dr 40 mg 30 1 capsule,delayed release 3?RN
!Capsule lienteric coated) PO Daily
12/29/2011 ~lbrax 90 1 capsule (hard, soft, 3
leto.) PO TID
Act Iv e M e dlc at ons- P re-E x I s tl ng:
Drug & Dosage $tG
pvs alucosamine chondroitin tb 1 tablet PO Daily
multiple vitamin tablet 1 tablet PO Daily
omeprazole dr 40 m g capsule 1 capsute,delaved release (enteric coated) PO DaUv
emazepam 30 mg capsule 1 capsule (hard, soft, etc.) PO HS
*On page 181, in the Discovery documents, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN reported to EMT /Paramedic Michael Brandy that he’s prescribed Librax and Tamazepam (sp)
What is Librax?
(chlordiazepoxide HCI clidinium bromide) Capsules
Librax is prescribed to control emotional and somatic factors in gastrointestinal disorders.
Chlordiazepoxide hydrochloride is a versatile, therapeutic agent of proven value for the relief of anxiety and tension. It is indicated when anxiety, tension or apprehension are significant components of the clinical profile. It is among the safer of the effective psychopharmacologic compounds.
What is Temazepam?
Restoril™ (temazepam) is indicated for the short-term treatment of insomnia (generally 7 to 10 days).
For patients with short-term insomnia, instructions in the prescription should indicate that Restoril™ (temazepam) should be used for short periods of time (7 to 10 days).
The clinical trials performed in support of efficacy were 2 weeks in duration with the final formal assessment of sleep latency performed at the end of treatment.
What are the precautions when taking temazepam (Restoril)?
Before taking temazepam, tell your doctor or pharmacist if you are allergic to it; or to other benzodiazepines (e.g., lorazepam, diazepam); or if you have any other allergies. This product may contain inactive ingredients, which can cause allergic reactions or other problems. Talk to your pharmacist for more details.
Note* Librax and Restoril are both benzodiazepine family. According to GEORGE ZIMMERMAN’s medical report, he takes Librax 3 times a day and Restoril once at bedtime. Lodine 400 mg, is a non-steroidal Nsaid and doesn’t apply to my article because it was newly prescribe the day of his doctor visit February 27.
What is Adderall?
Adderall (amphetamine and dextroamphetamine) is a central nervous system stimulant. It affects chemicals in the brain and nerves that contribute to hyperactivity and impulse control.
Adderall is used to treat narcolepsy and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).
Adderall may also be used for other purposes not listed in this medication guide.
According to Wikipedia, Adderall is a Schedule II drug
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Like other stimulant drugs, such as methamphetamine and cocaine, Adderall directly affects the mesolimbic reward pathway in the brain. Amphetamine salts preparations are considered to have high abuse potential, and it is classified as Schedule II by the US DEA. With the Safe Streets and Communities Act in Canada, Adderall has been reclassified from Schedule III to Schedule I
US DEA Schedule II Controlled Substances
Substances in this schedule have a high potential for abuse which may lead to severe psychological or physical dependence.
Examples of single entity schedule II narcotics include morphine and opium. Other schedule II narcotic substances and their common name brand products include: hydromorphone (Dilaudid®), methadone (Dolophine®), meperidine (Demerol®), oxycodone (OxyContin®), and fentanyl (Sublimaze® or Duragesic®).
Examples of schedule II stimulants include: amphetamine (Dexedrine®, Adderall®), methamphetamine (Desoxyn®), and methylphenidate (Ritalin®). Other schedule II substances include: cocaine, amobarbital, glutethimide, and pentobarbital.
Note*
Considering the fact that Adderall is indicated for the treatment of ADHD and narcolepsy which seems to be the case for George Zimmerman, I don’t believe he’s being improperly prescribed these three medications but there’s always a chance for abuse which remains to be seen.
After having listened to his call to non-emergency 911 several times, I can hear a definite slur in his speech pattern as he speaks to the dispatcher as compared to the sound of his voice in other recordings. There’s also a muffled sound which could indicate he was impaired in some way.
From the list of medications, any two of these could account for his droll, almost zombie-like reaction to what was taking place at the time of the 911 call. As an example, during the time when it’s believed the suspicious person is within one car length from his person and circling his vehicle, it seems he isn’t able to comprehend imminent danger. Surprisingly he doesn’t mention this to the dispatcher either which is why I’m questioning his mental state. Was he impaired?
Unfortunately for him and for the jurors, they will never know because GEORGE ZIMMERMAN refused to be taken to the hospital on the night of the shooting, even though it was reported he was bleeding profusely from several abrasions and visibly, a 1-1.5 inch cut on the back of his head from allegedly being pounded on the pavement by Trayvon Martin.
Had GEORGE ZIMMERMAN agreed to go to the hospital for his injuries, its possible this could have strengthened and supported his case but at the same time, there’s a strong possibility an astute ER nurse would have suggested a blood test considering this could surely become a life or death criminal matter.
A toxicology report would indicate levels of his prescribed medications and alcohol level if he had done any social drinking that day.
Or perhaps GEORGE ZIMMERMAN’s knowledge of criminal law persuaded him to refuse medical treatment. That’s also a possibility.
As I’m trying so desperately to understand GEORGE ZIMMERMAN’s actions and lack of common sense on the night of February 26, 2012, I began to wonder how did a simple phone call to report a suspicious person to non-emergency 911go from normal behavior to impulsive and irrational actions.
For an educated person, 28 years of age, to jump out of his vehicle on an impulse in order to follow a person whom he had just described to the 911 dispatcher as possibly being high on drugs and possibly carrying a weapon in his waistband, goes beyond my realm of reason. I thought it might be helpful to learn a bit more about his mental disorder, ADHD.
ADHD
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder
What is ADHD?
In short, as defined by WebMD.com, Children with ADHD, which is when GEORGE ZIMMERMAN was diagnosed, generally have problems paying attention or concentrating. They can’t seem to follow directions and are easily bored or frustrated with tasks. They also tend to move constantly and are impulsive, not stopping to think before they act. These behaviors are generally common in children. But they occur more often than usual and are more severe in a child with ADHD.
The behaviors that are common with ADHD interfere with a child’s ability to function at school and at home.
Adults with ADHD may have difficulty with time management, organizational skills, goal setting, and employment. They may also have problems with relationships, self-esteem, and addictions.
Applying just these 2 paragraphs defines the person I perceive as GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, the shooter of Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old teen who happened to visit his father and his fiancé’ at the Retreat at Twin Lakes condominiums. Trayvon was stranger to this area, during a time when George Zimmerman was crowned Neighborhood Watch Captain. Being hero of the townhomes George had a lot on his plate which may have been overwhelming for a person with ADHD. Add a stimulant such as Adderall to the chaos and confusion of that night to George’s false sense of confidence, it all superseded good common sense. Since defense attorney Mark O’Mara seems to be on a fishing expedition perhaps he’ll consider using ADHD and the medication factor as a defense?
just my opinion
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HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!!
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Sources:
Zimmerman medical report
http://184.172.211.159/~George
Zimmermandocs/documents/zimmerman_bond_hearing_exhibits/george_zimmerman_medical_report.pdf
http://www.rxlist.com/librax-drug.htm
http://healthlifeandstuff.com/2010/01/long-term-effects-of-adderall/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall
http://www.drugs.com/adderall.html
Canadian Schedule I Drugs
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-38.8/page-23.html#h-26
US DEA Schedule II Drugs
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/index.html
http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/guide/attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder-adhd
Zimmerman’s medication will have no bearing on this murder case imo because it has clearly been confirmed to be a political case and not a case presented by the prosecution as a case base based upon the facts of the scenario of the attack by Trayvon Martin against victim-Zimmerman. Maybe you can post pictures of the real victim’s injuries (Zimmerman) and the toxicology report that shows Trayvon was high on illegal drugs and Trayvon’s injuries to his fist too to better round out your report, which I love JB. Keep up your great work!!!
Jan,
Maybe you can post Zimmerman’s pictures. BTW, he is not a victim, IMO!
Trayvon was murdered for no reason except maybe the medicine is what made George so
paranoid. He is IMO very paranoid.
If it has no barings on this case, then why would it have any bearing on Trayvon?
Prescription drugs can be just as dangerous as any drug. Trayvon was high on illegal drugs?
Where did you hear that?
Zimmerman has a problem being nosy, He was following Trayvon, didn’t say who he was, then shot and killed Trayvon.
If you are following someone, then that makes you the aggressor, espescially since Trayvon asked him why he was following him, and his smart answer was what are you doing here.
You wouldn’t like that very much, I can assure you.
That’s true Loly, if toxicology is important for TM, it should be important for GZ too.
Jan,
I think I found what you we’re looking for on Pg 137 of 183 in Discovery under Toxicology.
THC
Volume – 1,5 ng/mL
Specimen – Chest Blood
THC-COOH (Carboxy)
Volume – 7.3 ng/mL
Specimen – Chest Blood
Cannabinoids
Volume – Presump Pos
Specimen – Urine
Remember? a small baggie with marijuana residue was found in TM’s book bag when he was suspended from school. So I think it’s safe to say. He smoked pot just like many other teens his age but marijuana isn’t speed. Adderall is a stimulant which could make someone aggressive.
It certainly should be JB,
He’s the one that murdered Trayvon and they did a test on Trayvon,
but not George on the 26th?
Let me guess lolypop, you guessed that Casey Anthony would be found guilty of first-degree murder of her daughter too, right?
Jan,
I found JB in August of last year.
I was trying to find someone that believed Casey wasn’t guilty.
I never thought that she was guilty. Just about any time that I would hear anyone in the media,
defense or prosecutors talking about Casey, it was all anti-Casey
Same on the internet. Try to bring a subject up and just be called a baby killer lover
or or somthing stupid so I was very happy to find JB!!
I’ve said that many times on here.
During the trial and after I tried not to listen to the talking heads in the media.
With Casey it wasn’t 50/50 it was about 90% wanting her guilty.
With Trayvon, more want to find him guilty and he sadly he can’t even defend himself or his family.
SO you are so wrong. In fact I NEVER thought that Casey was guilty of any of the charges.
But, I’m curious as to why you would guess that.
Would you mind telling me.
I am watching In session,because of all the Casey Anthony chatter & to watch Cheney Mason,but they came on with “Breaking News” that George Zimmerman was going to get out on a MILLION $ Bond!!
Thank you Marilyn for the update!
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Read more.. http://www.wftv.com/news/ap/general/decision-on-zimmermans-bond-expected-thursday/nPmw6/
That little “passport” faux pas must have raised a flag to Judge Lester too. I thought the same thing. GZ has family in Peru. Exactly!
Judge Lester added:
GZ cannot open a bank account.
GZ cannot leave the state of Florida like he was allowed before.
GZ has a 6AM to 6PM curfew.
Shellie Zimmerman has since been charged with perjury. She is out of jail on $1,000 bond and her arraignment is set for July 31.
hmm..pretty good stuff. I think Judge Lester has GZ pegged. Good.
Another inconsistency, I noticed in his medical report, he did not need medical attention for any other reason than to be cleared to go back to work,, more of his twisting the truth. JMO
JB,
They never let up on Casey lying and Zimmerman has her beat, but more than half of the country are just fine with his lies.
However like you said the judge isn’t happy about it, NOR should he be. In George’s tapes you can’t help but notice the sneakiness in his and Shellie’s voices.
Since he is using Stand You Ground, did I understand that is just before the judge?
They had better get the Stand Your Ground law right.
I still don’t get it, he wasn’t on his ground and he wasn’t supposed to be on duty. If so, the gun was not legal.
Maybe that’s why he says he didn’t remember that he had his gun with him!
How many can conveniently say that????
Adderall is supposed to help with impulse control? Uh, I think Zimmerman wasn’t taking a large enough dose or missed a dose. That impulse to target, track and kill didn’t seem to be affected by the drug.
In any event, the judge did what was right today. He enforced a higher bail, stricter terms and called Zimmerman out on the lying about the passport. I knew O’Mara’s excuse of failing to surrender the 2nd passport for 30 days wouldn’t hold water. The judge called Zimmerman out on it and made it clear that it seemed like an attempt to flee. Nice work Judge Lester!
If GZ were smart, he’d stay in jail. There’s nothing he can do on the outside to help in his defense. He’s pretty much screwed himself with statements and re-enactments to the police. Lying to the judge. Wife pejuring herself. Getting out on bail and hiding in a secure place in Seminole County, while paying for his GPS traker, and his wife’s attorney…that’s going to drain his defense fund. I bet O’Mara wishes he never took this case. Zimmerman is a bad client and his case is weak based on what O’Mara presented at the bail hearing. The only thing that could have gotten George Zimmerman off is credibility. This ruling demonstrates he has none in the eyes of the court. A jury may think differently but with limited funds due to this decision, O’Mara has an uphill battle.
Yeah, seems like Mark O’Mara is frustrated based on his team’s latest post: http://gzlegalcase.com/
BTW – this post from Mark O’Mara’s team is highly inappropriate (the last paragraph) in terms of swaying a potential jury pool. This behavior is unacceptable and should be reviewd by the bar, the judge and the prosectuor. It is unprecedented and I would be shocked if it goes unaddressed.
MassMom,
I agree with you 100&. You’re exactly right. I bet O’Mara regrets taking this case too. He has a rogue client who’s going to be hard to defend. Like I said before GZ is his own worst enemy. Maybe he should stay in jail for his own good.
Well, I’m no longer wondering how Judge Lester REALLY felt about the passport issue. He seems to not so forgiving after all. I hate burst the Zim-supporters bubble but I think Judge Lester wasn’t pleased with the way O’Mara seemed to try the entire case at the bond hearing either. JMO
I went to GZ’s legal site. Hmm.. O’Mara says the donations have slacked down lately too?? I read elsewhere that some folks refuse to support GZ if O’Mara takes a plea. When I read that, I immediately thought..”how sad! It’s not his supporters who’ll spend their life in prison if he loses” so his supporters obviously must want GZ to be their martyr for the cause, so to speak and they really don’t care about George Zimmerman.
It seems like O’Mara is pleading to the supporters for more cash. If he’s innocent, he shouldn’t need much cash, right?
Hi Lolypop,
You’re right about GZ saying he forgot he had his gun with him. Hmm.. Maybe he said that to try and cover his butt in case it’s brought out at trial he was NWC? Because as soon as they learn that, the jurors will learn that Neighborhood Watchmen do not carry firearms. As Joe-Blow-Citizen, GZ can carry a firearm. Good point!
Hi JB,
I believe he said that to just cover his butt. There’s another lie right there. He was squirmming to get out from under Trayvon and he was afraid Trayvon had seen his gun.
When did he decide he forgot to say he forgot that he had his gun?
It does turn into ONE big web the more he talks.
Can you believe they are talking about Casey as though the trial was still going on?
They are still wanting to try her in the media. So much for the media again. I’ve boycotted them here again.
Talk about making money off of Caylee. What hypocrites!
Also, they talk as if Cindy and Casey did something new about the necklaces.
I don’t know when I heard it, but it’s been a long time ago. I think ( not sure ) but that it was Cindy who said that she had taken Caylee’s ashes and put them in a locket for, even George and Lee, if I’m not mistaken.
On that, many people have them in a little box right next to them, so what’s the big deal, OR as they want to say NEW news?
Also, BTW,
Why isn’t Tim Miller sueing Cindy instead of Casey, she’s the one thay called him.
The other one should be tossed out. So what if her name is ZG!!
What if my name were Charlene Manson, don’t you think people would give it some thought?
What about all of the Casey Anthony’s should they sue her because she has the same name?
Zg isn’t anything like Casey described, so they should just toss that one out. Why aren’t they screaming how much is this going to cost Florida?
Because the name Casey Anthony is the revenue!
She should have patened the name CASEY ANTHONY, then she could pay all
of the vultures back. : )
PEOPLE!!!!!!
Yeah Loly,
I know..No one and I mean the Media too..wants to let the Casey Anthony case go away. You know today was the One Year Anniversary for her Acquittal.
I’m still in awe of Jose Baez! God bless him! He was the hardest working attorney I’ve ever come across.
Funny thing too…A few of the Zim supporters aren’t happy with O’Mara now. LOL Maybe GZ should think about hiring Jose Baez. Because IMO, O’Mara is only worried about getting paid.
Most of Casey’s lawyer fees were pro bono..Free.
GZ isn’t getting free legal defense because his case isn’t going to be easy.
If you get a chance, check out O’Mara’s site. This is the one MassMom left. Interesting.
http://gzlegalcase.com/
oh BTW! I got my book today!!
Funny,
Today I heard Ashton say no way he wasn’t reading that book. I thought well you should, maybe you should learn how to be a class act lawyer. I have a feeling Baez bought Ashton’s book, just if nothing else wanting to know what was on his mind.
Jose Baez is the kind that wants to learn the best and the worst. Casey Anthony had them both in her trial. lol
Baez is just one class act for a lawyer. He cares about what he’s doing, he loves the court, remember when Ryan Smith had an interview with Jose. You could tell he really respects
the courts.
Maybe one day he can be an influence to make it even better!
JB,
I did not understand the bond deal at all. $1,000,000, so he has to come up with $100,000.
They’ve been talking about all of the money people are sending to him beause “they believe in him.”
O’Mara and his team may decide to flee.
What a mess!
And who got them into it?
George and his family had a scheme. They may still.
If I were Judge Ledger I would for sure look at George as a flight risk!
I think that he did!
I didn’t see how he could see otherwise, could you?
Wonder what really did cause the other lawyers to leave?
One more thing and then to bed!
JB,
You said that the Zim supporters are not happy with O’Mara??
They weren’t happy with the other lawyers. The reason that they quit is because
George Zimmerman wouldn’t cooperate with them.
Seems there’s a pattern here.
George, himself screws up and his supporters are angry at everyone else????
What is it about the Zimmerman’s that make half of the public trust him?
What else does he have to do?
Goodnight, enjoy the book! : )
Happy that you got it today!!
Hey Loly,
I didn’t desert you. I’ve been reading and just came to check in.
Wow, you make so much sense.
You said:
EXACTLY!! I bet PaPa Zim has been getting George out of trouble all his life. And like you said,
No one’s mad at George.
You asked a good question here “What else does he have to do?
KILL SOMEBODY?
lol..Good night Loly. This book is superb!
See ya tomorrow
Wow things have been getting ugly in here. Can’t we all agree to disagree anymore? If we’re polarized, I can only imagine what this case is going to do to Fl & the nation.
As the late Rodney King said “Can’t we all just get along?”
What’s interesting me is how the Zimms are going to come-up with 1mill worth of collateral.
One more thing, isn’t the other drug GZ was on also the same as Zanex? The one for anxiety?
That’s what was likely slurring his words. You gotta love a system that gives you a drug that gives you anxiety & then gives you a drug to stop it. WOW.
JB You’ve got mail.
Hi Lisa, thank you for the email. I just left you a response.
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Wow, Judge Lester and I sure think alike.
Read Judge Lester’s Bond Order:
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/bond_order/doc20120705113028.pdf
Here’s his answer to O’Mara’s description of his client.
Check this out. Judge Lester said:
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Interesting. WHAT IF at the time of the shooting, the syllabus of study in GZ’s criminal law course happened to be the SYG law? For Lester to use the word “sophisticated” he might know something more than we know. Just saying…
I’ve been reading at theConservativetreehouse.com. It seems that the zim-supporters aren’t pleased with O’Mara as of late. There’s a few who want O’Mara to show his hand now, before the trial. Someone should remind them of the Anthony case.
Casey Anthony’s lead attorney Jose Baez kept his hand close to vest until the trial and garnered an acquittal. A shocking acquittal! LOL
However, I’m confused by O’Mara’s plea for more funds when initially he said he’d represent GZ pro bono.
Now PERHAPS, O’Mara is annoyed by the Zims collecting donations and using them to pay off personal debts when HE (O’Mara) is offering his services for free.
That’s like taking in a homeless family.
You might know they have a website asking for donations but instead of offering the money to the person who’s helping you, they’re going behind your back and transferring this money to personal bank accounts belonging to themselves and family members. O’Mara might feel like he’s being taken advantage of which is understandable.
If I were O’Mara, I would step away from this case. If a person is being deceitful with his own lawyer, the lawyer can’t help him.
O’Mara seems to have a reputation for being an ethical defense attorney. His reputation is important to him.
Accepting money from supporters makes them think they own you when the truth is, you are the attorney and the attorney makes the decisions.
So either O’Mara goes back to being a Pro-bono Attorney, allowing the Zims to do whatever they please with their donations. Or he steps away and leaves the Zims to figure out their next move.
There’s not much more for O’Mara to do, IMO.
JB,
Judge Lester:
Zimmerman “Thus before this tragic incident, had a very sophisticated knowledge of the criminal justice system
over and above that of the average law abiding citizen”
You know you’re right, all of the talk that was going on between him, and his wife and sister, how many would know to think of all of the things they are discussing on the jail phone? I wouldn’t!
So you’re right the judge did use sophisticated, and described it pretty well.
The same with O’Mara, Zimmerman may try to be his own attorney! : )
In fact O’Mara trying to make it seem like this “scared pathetic person” should have
just went ahead with the questionsand answers at that time.
He wanted to talk, but not the prosecutors, now that wasn’t very bright, BUT he would have been better to do that for himself and O’Mara.
Hi JB,
With the release of more documents from the FBI tomorrow I predict the evidence will demonstrate a pattern of deceit and bias on the part of George Zimmerman based on witness accounts and testimony from people who knew him, and it will further bolster Angela Corey’s charge of second degree murder. There will be a lot of noise from the Zimmerman supporters disputing the findings, but what is released tomorrow will likely begin to stifle the Alan Dershowitz’s out there (one can only hope).
Zimmerman’s attempts at reaching the media and Angela Corey support Judge Lester’s observation that GZ is manipulative. It’s not a love affair with the media. It’s a survival tactic he’s likely used throughout his life. GZ is like an addict. His actions are deplorable but he’s learned how to manipulate people to avoid dealing with consequences. He’s surrounded by enablers. His wife, his parents, his brother, and a bunch of people who would rather support his cause (this is not a cause for America and freedom) than put their hard earned money in the bank during these tough economic times. Meanwhile, he’s used his donor’s money to pay down his own debts and to protect him from himself and his own stupidity. I wonder how many of his donor’s have debts or are behind on their bills. His donors deserve to be fleeced by this moron.
I still think his attorneys should be investigated for possible ethics violations in their fund raising efforts. They are responsible for defending him, not fundraising to pay his legal fees and special housing/living/security expenses.
I provided court documents to 2 news sources, but have received silence in return. I didn’t offer any theories with the documents, so maybe that was my mistake. GZ filed a suit against Aames Funding Corp. claiming unpaid overtime. His first attorney withdrew citing irreconcilable differences. GZ obtained another attorney. According to the complaint, GZ was responsible for paying his legal fees from any monies awarded to him by the court. Aames then filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy. A stay was entered in the federal civil case with quarterly reports as to the status of the bankruptcy case.
On April 6, 2012, GZ’s attorney filed a pleading in the case setting forth that Aames had submitted a check to GZ in July 2011. The amount was a bit over $18k. Evidently, GZ had not told his attorney that he received the money and thus, not paid him either. A copy of the check is included in the court documents.
The timing that GZ launched his website and stopped communicating with Sonner was the weekend following the lawyer in the Aames case apprising the federal court of the money GZ received in July 2011. I have pondered if that lawyer threatened to sue GZ for legal fees and/or contacted Sonner for Zim’s address to do so. Thus, I am of the impression that GZ went against the advice of Sonner and launched the website in effort to raise money to pay legal fees owed and prevent a civil suit in the midst of possibily having a criminal charge filed against him.
The case number filed in the Middle District of Florida, Orlando Division, is 6:06-CV-630-ORL-22JGG and I have most of the pertinent documents from the case and can attach them to email.
I am aware of the attorney-client privilege, but it seems that a reporter would want to contact Attorney K.E. PANTAS, who represented GZ in the federal civil lawsuit to see whether there is a connection of dots between that case, GZ launching his website, and the withdrawal of Sonner. It would also be interesting to see an accounting for how GZ and Shellie spent $30k from the donated money in several weeks before his first bond hearing — if there is a payment to Attorney Pantas.
Mass Mom,
That really describes Zimmerman IMO!! Spoiled, sneaky, and this one was a real joke.
When O’mara wanted the judge to let Zimmerman explain to the judge why he lied.
At this point looks ike he’s got O’Mara, just like the rest of the ones you mentioned.
Let Zimmerman explain to the judge why he lied, the judge ask the questions of him, but NOT be cross examend by the state??
Maybe lawyers try anything to help his client, but he should have told Zimmerman IF that what he asked, that that was NOT a good idea.
Either he’s manipulating O’Mara or O’Mara is just stupid.
That’s very interesting Xena,
I read where he had a life tthreatening disease and moved to Greece, where he is from.
He could have gotten it to him somehow and Zimmerman must be in deeper. Why would he sue someone and then not show up for his depo and have to pay $10,000 in a fine?
Crazy and he is the one sueing?
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I don’t think the case you’re talking about is the same case that I have. In the case against Aames, it is George M. Zimmerman suing for unpaid overtime. There’s nothing on the docket referring to a rule to show cause, which is the procedure to file to have someone fined for not complying with discovery requests such as a deposition.
Hi Xena,
Thank you for the information. Wow..and this just happened recently? Very interesting.
Loly,
I remember reading a story @ Axiom having something to do with GZ being fined $10,000 for being late for a deposition. I’m not sure if it’s this lawsuit though? I’ll double check to be sure.
Yawn.. It’s late, I’m just checking in before I go to sleep.
I suppose we can find the new docs at O’mara’s? lol or maybe not, depending on what’s in them..I suppose.
Hi MassMom,
Yes, I’m looking forward to reading the new docs tomorrow. I think you have GZ pegged perfectly. He’s a self-serving manipulator, IMO.
I believe this person is GZ’s ex-fiance. IIRC, Serino verified this in an interview.
I wonder what she said in the 2nd phone call that O’Mara’s so worried about? hmm..
I checked the info on @Axiom and they do refer to it as the same case against Aames. Thanks for that reference JB. However, they also said that an “arbitrator” ordered GZ to pay the fine. My guess is that the case had been assigned to arbitration and that is why there is nothing on the court’s docket sheet. Apparently, the arbitrator did not find in GZ’s favor and the case was then taken before the court for a bench or jury trial. Not sure of Florida’s procedures.
Ah haaa..Xena,
Good, thanks for clarifying that for us. So they probably wanted their $10,000 out of the $18,000?? Again, not only does GZ’s actions tarnish his credibility but now his integrity is questionable.
The attorneys representing GZ were to be paid out of whatever money he was awarded in the case. The $10k is something completely separate. Again, I’m not sure about Florida’s procedures. In Illinois were I live, arbitrators are lawyers and they charge for their time. There are also transcribers that have to be paid. The deposition could have been scheduled for video taping so that might have been involved also which is an additional cost. When litigates do not appear, it is sanctionable.
Btw, I am thinking that discovery to be released will include emails between GZ and the former Chief of Police. I sure hope so.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-12/news/os-george-zimmerman-evidence-release-20120712_1_trayvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-volunteer-george-zimmerman
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Xena,
I hope you’re right because I do feel that the 2010 Townhall meeting played a part in SPD’s failure to arrest Zim. I think it’s possible SPD was afraid of GZ.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/22/2708185/embattled-sanford-police-chief.html
Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee Jr. temporarily stepped down and has since been let go.
Here’s another interesting article
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/22/2813681/zimmerman-rode-with-cops-ripped.html
JB,3:55
O’Mare says witness #9′ testimony should not have ALL of her call to the police.
Her call could cause Widespread Hostile Publicity???
He knows what she says. There’s been so much cover up and they want more
of what George is to not come our???
BS!!!
I think the (Widespread hostile pulicity) even though may be, you don’t hold back the truth.
They already brought out the hostility by not arresting George and doing a blood test on Feb. 26,
2012. IF they had done what they should have done in the beginning, there wouldn’t be the hostilty,
that they’ve already brought on.
So, that’s crap to say witness number 9′s whole call should not be heard.
Who do they think they are?
Good point Loly,
Another reason the public is hostile..
The public is hostile because Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee Jr. didn’t have the courage to at least, present the case to a Grand Jury. I can’t believe that SPD thought that they didn’t have probable cause.
Witness #9′s phone call and a few other witnesses who disputed GZ’s statements should have been enough. So of course there’s “public hostility” but it isn’t Trayvon Martin’s fault. Why shouldn’t TM have the time and attention of our judicial process?
O’Mara can try as he may but I doubt very seriously Witness #9 will be swept under the rug. Since O’Mara is playing up to the media for public sympathy, claiming he’s paying for guards 24/7 and around the clock protection for George in a “safe house”, he shouldn’t be concerned in the least about his Golden Boy’s welfare. lol Right?
Loly I suspect we’ll hear from Witness #9 at trial. Of course O’Mara will say she’s being vindictive because she’s GZ’s angry, jealous ex-girlfriend, yada, yada..
But IMO..what makes her statement believable is she said all of this BEFORE she knew GZ was going to escape indictment so I believe her.
Okay..I have a couple of hours so I’m going to try and hunt down the new doc dump. If anyone finds it, please post the link.
TIA
Here ya go.http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/-/15490330/data/2/-/kligxn/-/Zimmerman-documents.pdf. P.116 clears up allot.
Hi lex!
Thank you so much! I’ll definitely check out page 116 too. Sounds good.
JB~
Exactly JB,
The outrage that they have already is what they didn’t do, NOT what will come out in court
about the REAL Zimmerman.
You’re right, they didn’t have the power to say whether Zimmerman was guilty or not.
Why they didn’t go to the Grand Jury is just another MESS that they made, Not Trayvon his family or the public.
Here they go again, EVERYONE else is going to cause it. I DON’T THINK SO!!
George and company themselves and the SPD brought it upon themselves.
NOW, it’s not what they MIGHT do, it’s what they didn’t do in the first place.
I’m glad the Martins and whoever they needed got this brought to the forfront or Trayvon’s death would have been swept under the rug!
The lady that called in did the right thing, even though she’s scared to deatth.
Regarding what the SPD didn’t do — why would the paramedics wash GZ’s hands at the crime scene without first taking swabs? I have wondered if all that blood (with some of it being dry) actually came from GZ or if he smeared some of TM’s blood on his face too? My reason for this is because in the crime lab reports, GZ has a stain of TM’s blood on his jacket cuff. According to GZ, he didn’t know if he actually shot TM or if TM was “surrendering” when he took certain physical actions to restrain (clearing throat) a dead person.
We may never know how TM’s blood ended up on the cuff of GZ’s jacket, but I am hoping it’s a question that comes up at the immunity evidentiary hearing or trial — as I don’t believe that GZ can prevail on immunity from prosecution under SYG.
Oh, please forgive me. I want to thank you for allowing me to be part of this discussion. I looked for a blog with mature, honest, and respectful discussion and am happy to have found this one. Thanks again.
Welcome Xena,
I know the feeling. I found JB last year around August and believe me I know
how you feel. I thought that there wasn’t a place, but thank goodness I found JB. : )
Thanks for finding her and bringing new information.
I know that we all welcome that.
You don’t need to ask forgiveness for that. : )
I remember just being so happy and just joining in. I didn’t think to Thank them for it.
But, since you mentioned it, I want to Thank JB once again for having and putting her time into this
website. : )
Xena,
George says that he shot him and the scooted out from under Trayvon.
They showed a shirt that Trayvon was wearing with the hole in it, shot right in the heart.
There is no way that he wiggled and scooted out from Trayvon without having
Trayvon’s blood all over him. IMO!!
Also in that document, one officer was saying he heard George at the police station grunting in pain!
REALLY???
WHY didn’t they tell him at that time, YOU may not think that you want to go to the hospital, but now YOU are in our care and you have to.
Yes, lolypop. I like reading and discussing verifiable info.
Right. It was so dark that GZ couldn’t see a gunshot hole in TM’s jacket, but not so dark that TM didn’t see the holstered gun. Well, I’m of the impression that if TM was straddling GZ, that there was no way to see or get to his gun. TM’s knees would have been around GZ’s waist. The photos taken of GZ in the interview room showed no dirt or grass on the back of his pants or shoes.
In the first round of discovery documents, an officer wrote that he checked on GZ every 15 to 20 minutes while he was in the interview room and saw nothing indicating that GZ required medical attention. Remember Ferris Bueller’s Day Off? His groans and grunts convinced everyone other than his sister. LOL! IF — BIG IF — GZ was hurting that bad, he should have asked his physician for a statement to be off work rather than a statement to return to work.
Hi Loly & Xena,
All I can say is “wow”.. And I’m only half way thru.
Xena, good catch on the washing of Zim’s hands! I thought the same thing. Why would SPD allow Zim to wash his hands? That was odd to me too.
Here’s part of my notes;
pg 16 – Who is this girl? Whoever she is, she has attys?? IDK..anyway, she says she heard 2 sets of voices 5-8 minutes apart. Hmm.. She described one voice as being a normal call for help and the other as “horrifying” calls for help and an ongoing “yelps” Has anyone else heard about this witness before?
pg 21 – Another strange witness report. This lady says she heard moaning, heard someone say call 911, locks up the back door. Serino timed her at 1.5 mins. to run upstairs, then she hears a “pop”. her statement was strange to me bec she mentions seeing paramedics before the “pop”..so IDK..any thoughts?
pg 26 – This witness says she saw Zim on top after seeing his size.
pg 29 – This female witness says she heard whining sounds, not yells for help.
These were just a few that stuck out to me. After skimming thru I’m not convinced that Zim was racially motivated but I do believe he profiled TM as a gang member after reading the report about the local gang activity, there’s a gang that is referred to as the “goons”…so there we have Zim’s utterance..”effing goons” JMO
JB, witness testimony when they are not standing still observing, is difficult to put together. SA Corey has stated that putting the evidence together is like connecting the dots. It has been my impression that the reports of men “wrestling” could put either person on top or bottom at any given time. It also does not add up that it took the police 5 to 8 minutes to arrive. It was only 80 seconds between the time that GZ hung up with 911 and residents began calling 911. When those calls were made, the confrontation was already underway.
I don’t have the document up now, but seem to remember that the police arrived a minute after GZ shot TM. According to GZ’s re-enactment, the police did arrive soon after he stood up and asked a resident with a flashlight if he was a cop.
Who knows? One of them could have screamed for help before they ended up on the ground, and that would agree with the one witness who said she saw men running and heard calls for help getting closer to her residence.
If I were the “reasonable person” in fear for my life, injured, bloody and screaming for help while being armed, I would not stop screaming after pulling the trigger. In GZ’s re-enactment, not only did he stop screaming for help after pulling the trigger, he took physical action to restrain TM.
Good comment Xena,
It is like a puzzle in many ways, I agree. As soon as the witnesses hear a “pop” all screaming stops. That’s a consistent report and it makes sense it was TM who was screaming for help at least part of the time. I read that there are a few witnesses that hear 2 distinct cries at different times.
Also as you pointed out, the reenactment was absolutely ridiculous. Not only does it sound insane to restrain a dead man, it isn’t consistent with how TM’s body was found.
TM’s body is found with his both hands underneath him.
This is what bothers me the most about Zim is he can’t seem to tell the same story twice.
For instances on pg 78-79, as his friend is relating GZ’s story. According to GZ’s friend, GZ said TM was a arms length away when he circled his truck. GZ told Inv. Serino, TM was 1 car length away when he circled his truck.
According to GZ’s friend, GZ said he was heading back to his truck when TM attacked him. GZ told Inv. Serino, he was looking for an address when TM attacked him.
If it’s the truth, the story never changes. Why doesn’t GZ just tell the truth? if I wanted to think he’s innocent which I don’t want to do, I’d say he’s trying to out smart the cops AGAIN.
And by doing this, he’s making himself look guilty.
If he tells Serino he was heading back to his truck, Serino asks him why did it take you so long?
GZ must think Serino is trying to trap him into saying he was still trying to locate TM.
Hmm…it is interesting. I was wondering about something else too but i couldn’t make out where the hole was in the hoodie like I could in the sweatshirt. I know both the sweatshirt and the hoodie have gunshot holes. But said to be consistent with a contact gunshot. I wonder if they line up exactly. If they did, it might indicate TM was standing when GZ shot him.
Just a thought…
JB,
Remember Oliver, Zimmerman’s friend that was speaking for him untill recently.
Here was his explaination. Zimmerman said effing goons as like a chummy word. lol
Now, they have a gang ( out of the blue ) called goons. Now isn’t that convenient? : )
I thought I’d bring this video to this thread. I find this theory compelling.
I was just listening to GZ being interrogated, and he told Serino that he said “punks.” GZ must have changed that when he talked to Oliver. (It’s so ridiculous I have to laugh)
Re: the holes in the hoodie. Forensics are going to put the nail in the coffin in this case. Actually, I am thinking that the prosecution is releasing witness statements as a distraction. O’Mara might try to select a few that he thinks will be beneficial. However, the prosecution will no doubt only question to establish location and timing to prove that GZ followed TM. That is why GZ has no SYG defense.
The crime lab reports found none of GZ’s DNA or blood on TM’s hands. According to GZ’s story, TM’s hands should have been filled with GZ’s blood.
I have not seen any lab reports for the flashlight that GZ was carrying — not the little one on his key ring, but the tactical one that is also used as a billy club. I wonder if that is how TM acquired the small cut on his ring finger below the knuckle — holding his hand up to ward off being hit. Also, I wonder if the impact was such that the flashlight caught GZ on the nose. That flashlight was found in the crime scene area, so GZ certainly “lost” it at some point.
Another area where SPD messed up — why did they not examine the sidewalk for blood from GZ since he claimed his head was being bashed on it? The day when GZ gave his re-enactment, there was no crime scene tape around that area. Did they bother to check the sidewalk for blood? Since some of the blood on GZ’s head was already dry, (in the rain), dried blood should have also been on the sidewalk. GZ could have fallen — maybe was pushed down — maybe injured himself during the wrestling — but if TM was holding GZ’s head bashing it, GZ’s DNA would have to be on TM’s hands.
Yes Loly,
I read that too. The gang report also stated “the goons” usually wore hoodies so that could have been what Zim was profiling. IDK ..but whatever the supporters want to claim Zim said, I’m almost positive it wasn’t “effing punks”. lol Remember thats what GZ told Serino.
And it wasn’t “effing colds” either. So if they want to take the race aspect out of the mix, I’ll bend a bit and say it could have been “goons” instead of “coons” But we’ll see @ trial if the FBI can get a better audio. if they do, they could make this a hate crime which would be really bad for Zim.
Very good points Xena,
I just thought of something else.. Why didn’ the ME take fingernail scrapings from both Zim and TM?
If both men were wrestlng as GZ says, wouldn’t he have TM’s DNA underneath his nail and visa versa?
JB. Bless your heart. Dynamite video. Thanks for sharing it. If I weren’t typing this, I would be off crying my eyes out. It’s not your fault. You see, for the better part of 15 yrs, I’ve worked in courts and the law. Now, I’m semi-retired doing independent legal research and legal assisting work for attorneys — mostly virtual working from home. No matter how often I’ve seen bodies in the morgue or crime scene pictures of victims, compassion overwhelms me. Life is so very, very fragile. I am also spiritual (not religious) and the thought overwhelms me that if I had the power to do so, the innocent would be resurrected. I would resurrect them all.
How could this be possible?
Sergeant Tony Raimondo
#202 Patrol East Region, Sanford PD
He was second at the scene. He parked near Officer Smith’ vehical. He checked Martin and got no pulse. He got a bag from an Asian male and started CPR. Ayala did chest compressions until relieved by Sergeant McCoy. He felt the ICED TEA in his hoodie POCKET where he was checking him out.
He did not remove it.
He has prepared a suppliment report
FDLE agent Johnny Batchelor was present.
NOW READ MY NEXT POST!!
JB, this goes back to the paramedics and I’m thinking that the police had no clue that GZ was going to claim self-defense. Since it was obvious that TM was killed by a gunshot, they didn’t bother to obtain any forensic evidence from GZ’s body. He told a resident that he killed TM in self-defense, but according to the paramedics, GZ did not state anything to them. He purposefully allowed them to wash him up. They even photographed GZ’s hands — no bruises — NO DEFENSIVE WOUNDS. And, according to GZ, he should have had some bruising on his hands and/or arms warding off TM’s punches.
Aww..Xena, You’re a good soul. I can’t imagine what you’ve seen in your line of work. It’s good to know that you weren’t hardened by it, if you know what I mean. I worked in surgery and the ER for a few years. In medicine we sometimes tell jokes to get pass what is in front of us in order to help the pt. to our best ability. I’m sure in law, you have to add humor too just so you don’t crack under pressure. If you’re looking for thread in the midst of blood and guts, you just look pass the blood and guts because you want to help the innocent. God bless you.
4/2/12 1525 Hours
Serfeant Leon Ciesia
#401 – Crime Scene Supervisor (at time)
Sanford PD
When he arrived at the scene the other 2 officers were attempting CPR on Martin. Plastic bags were brought out to seal the wound. He saw the can of ICED TEA, but did NOT know where it came from. He assisted officer Smith with Crime Scene processing. He saw the flashlight at the T intersection illuminated on the ground.
He prepared a Supplement Report.
FDLE Agent Johnny Batchlor was present.
One says ice tea was in his hoodie pocket, the other
saw the can of Ice Tea but didn’t know where it came from.??
I noticed that too Loly,
I think one of the LEO’s removed the can from TM’s hoodie during CPR. I’m not sure though because IIRC in one report the can wasn’t even near TM.
It’s confusing me too.
lolypop, according to a paramedic, when she arrived, the officers were conducting CPR, but she went to raise TM’s jacket and shirt when she felt the can (thought it could be soda), took it out of the pocket and placed it next to her. The interview is on Youtube channel for “manybuddies.”
The controversy promoted by TM haters now is that it was juice — not tea, and TM planned to use it with the Skittles to make “lean.” I call them TM haters because they do not support GZ. Rather, their entire argument denigrates Trayvon.
JB, you would be surprised at the number of lawyers and judges who are alcoholics. The area of law doesn’t leave much room for humor. I used to go out for karoake twice a week to relieve stress — exercised the golden pipes — make local dogs howl — stuff like that.
1:19 is very compelling JB.
Zimmerman shot him standing up. then fell on him and sreams for some to come and
help restrain him???
That would also explain why there wsn’t to lot of blood on him and that he didn’t know he SHOT him. That’s part of his stories too.
Tells the guy not to call 911, BUT to help Zimmerman. This is all part of his lies.
I wonder how true this is. Did or could Trayvon get to his cell phone after it cut-off while talking to Dee Dee?
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19oapndLzf0&w=420&h=315%5D
Let’s see if this one will embed the actual video. (Old lady that I am, learning new things. LOL)
JB, Xena, MassMom,
this has been great conversation.
Thanks so much for joining Xena, right JB?
You both have very admiring work and I know could really get you down.
All of those people that come have to come to you, I know what they mean about seeing angels
even more now! : )
Thank you and G’night.
Gotta al ot to read tomorrow.
And also that makes sense, someone trying to save someone’s life would just
take the tea away!
O’Mara has filed a Motion to remove Judge Lester from the case. In it, he makes references to Judge Lester’s order on the $1million bail, alleging that the judge is not objective. IOWs, he’s saying that Judge Lester should not criticize GZ for lying to the court about his finances.
Heres the motion.http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/motions/motion_to_disqualify.pdf
Say Whaaat Xena?? LOL OMG! I mean how much more objective does this judge need to be. He’s he suppose to ignore the obvious? Such as audio tapes from the county jail blatantly and without doubt hearing GZ’s plan to maneuver large sums of money?
Oh and is Judge Lester suppose to pretend he wasn’t at the original bond hearing and didn’t hear these audio tapes of Shellie Zimmerman’s explicit compiance to her jailed husband?
Ahhh…I think O’Mara is playing up to GZ’s supporters. He’s being led by the nose like the PAID MAN that he is. A sad for the judicial system in my humble opinion…
Thanks Lex, I was just getting ready to go hunt it down from O’Mara’s.
That’s another thing that’s very unusual about this case. The way O’Mara panders to the public..
Geesh..
Okay, I’m officially signed in now.
Although I understand why O’Mara filed this motion. It was the smart thing to do but I still believe Judge Lester made a good call by raising his bond to 1Million.
What else could JL do? GZ brought all of this garbage and drama upon himself and so did O’Mara. O’Mara shouldn’t have tried to put on a mini-trial at a bond hearing if he didn’t want the judge’s honest opinion. It wasn’t the time or place.
I doubt if Judge Perry would have allowed Jose Baez that same privilege. I wish Judge Lester would have nipped it in the bud as soon as O’Mara began.
None of what O’Mara said at the bond hearing had Everything to do with guilt or innocence of Murder2.ooops..I wanted to say…Much of what O’Mara said at the bond hearing had Everything to do with guilt or innocence of Murder2.
The reason for the June 29 hearing was to hear arguments regarding a bond being revoked because of lying witnesses and “potted palms”. Had that been Jose Baez and not Mr. Ethical O’Mara, the judge would have sanctioned the lawyer for his part in the cover up because I’m sure O’Mara knew about the PayPal acct. and the money before April 20. (1st bond hearing)
So this is the thanks Judge Lester gets…?? I hope he’s learned his lesson and next time he won’t play favorites, even when the defense lawyer is a friend outside of the courtroom. Its business, it’s not personal.
Personally, I think it’s a good sign. Judge Kenneth Lester is known to be a tough Judge. Let’s see what Judge George Zimmerman winds up with now. LOL
LOL..What did I say in my article?
http://thejbmission.com/2012/07/08/george-zimmermans-love-affair-with-the-media/
Asking the question “What will George do now?” Yep..George has been thinking…It’s time for another screw-up.
Mmmm…Pass me the Skittles! Arizona Ice tea anyone?
Hi Xena,
will gladly appreciate your expertise and opinions.
I’m sorry for being such a pea brain..
Last night, I forgot to say that I’m very happy to learn that you have a solid legal background. That’s Wonderful! Please steer me in the right direction at any time. I’m tough as nails and I don’t wear my little heart on my sleeve… So please feel free to offer your legal opinion.
Myself and Loly, who’s been a true comrade in this case
BTW, I just read that Judge Lester has decided to release George Zimmerman’s jailhouse calls and Witness 9′s statements. Sooo…Let the games begin!
I’ll be back in a few.
A gun-shop owner said Zimmerman came in weeks after the Feb. 26 shooting and said “his life was in danger and he needs more guns. He got at least one more:
The day of his arrest April 11, FDLE agents found in his rental car a “cop killer” handgun, a Belgian-made semiautomatic pistol, capable of firing bullets at such high velocity that they can pierce body armor. He also had three magazines of ammunition.
HMMM…..Front Page OS today
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-12/news/os-george-zimmerman-evidence-release-20120712_1_trayvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-volunteer-george-zimmerman
Thanks for the link, Lex. I got as far as page 3 and had to (cough, cough) gather my composure. O’Mara is trying to litigate GZ’s self-defense claim in a motion to disqualify the judge. He is playing to supporters, IMHO. I’ve seen better motions written by intern law students!!! I’ll finish reading and check back here.
JB, I’m not that familiar with Florida law, but can research it. I like learning so if there are questions, I don’t mind doing the research. (I’m returning to finish reading the Motion.)
snoop246 — INDEED! That’s in the last batch of discovery documents. The report says that the holster belonged to “Mike.” It mentioned GZ’s brother-in-law and that he also rented the car that GZ drove into Jacksonville.
JB. I totally agree. O’Mara is playing to GZ supporters. His motion in essence;
1. Criticizes Judge Lester for holding GZ accountable for his deception. O’Mara makes no mention of the recorded phone calls and how GZ directed Shellie on transferring (hiding money).
2. Criticizes the judge for not litigating GZ’s self-defense claims in a bond hearing.
3. Criticizes SA Corey for not taking the matter before the Grand Jury.
4. Criticizes the judge for saying GZ planned to flee, but conveniently made no mention about the second, non-disclosed passport.
5. In essence, says that since GZ was caught in his deception that he is afraid of being held in contempt of court or charged with perjury.
I see three tactics, with two based on a denial of the motion.
First, it will encourage GZ to cop a plea. O’Mara ends page one with;
“Mr. Zimmerman faces life in prison upon conviction.”
I say this with caution because I would like to think that O’Mara is a better attorney than he has thus far demonstrated, but good lawyers are very picky on words. A defense lawyer believing in his client’s innocence would have written, “Mr. Zimmerman faces life in prison if convicted.
The second tactic I see is that if the motion is denied, O’Mara can use that as a basis to appeal denial of GZ’s Writ for SYG immunity, which he must file, and which GZ must take the stand. That type of hearing is presided over by the judge — no jury.
Tactic 3: Shellie has a hearing scheduled for July 31st. Admittedly, I don’t have a real clear picture on this yet, but if O’Mara’s motion is granted, (giving GZ the idea that another judge cannot hold him contempt), Shellie will be solely held accountable for the perjury. O’Mara can then TRY to have all references to GZ’s deception omitted at trial.
Predictions: The State is going to charge GZ with perjury before hearing on this motion is held.
JB,
12:55
You know that’s right. I LOVE learning.
So glad to have you Xena, : )
Snoop, I heard that about needing more guns. Damn, he’s going to use these when?
IF the judge had known that would he have let him out on bond at all.
Zimmerman is a very dangerous man. I wish they had kept him in jail.
He is so sneaky and knows how he wants to run things if he wants to, I can see him finding a way to flee.
Thanks Lex
for the sending the documents.
IF Judge Lester is removed, it will look more than just fishy!
Looks like now Zimmerman is blaming the judge and O’Mara starting to smell as bad as
Zimmerman.
O’Mara knew a lot more than he tried to ACT like he did about all of the lies
and Passport too.
Who wil they blame for anything next, besides Zimmerman.
Does his Dad have that kind of power to remove Judge Lester?
I had company tonight, but had to check in. I’ll have a lot to read tomorrow! : )
Good Night! : )
Hi Snoop,
Thanks for the link. So all bets are off..GZ is not a racist. That’s fine.. I’ll take “little hero complex” for $500 Alex. lol
Regarding those newly purchased guns.. Was this before Sharpton and Jesse Jackson came into the picture? I wonder why GZ started buying hi-powered guns only a couple of weeks after the shooting. For an innocent man, GZ sure knows how to look suspicious. YKWIM?
And wasn’t it mentioned in the docs that the very next day after the shooting he and Shellie moved out their apartment to live with a friend?? He must know he’s guilty of something to act this way. If you know in your heart that you shot someone because you feared for your life, you should walk thru town with your head up high.. Not immediately go into hiding. Somethings not right about that. imo.
Thank you Xena for your astute observations,
I particularly like this catch
Freudian slip, huh?
O.I.C. said the blind man!
I hope Judge Lester sees thru this and makes the right decision because I think GZ’s deception will be his biggest downfall. It proves he isn’t above telling lies and in any case of self-defense when the only participant of the confrontation that is alive, is telling the story?? Credibility is crucial.
Tactic 3 is the stinker! I think I get it. Of course O’Mara wants to hide GZ’s deception from the jury. Ohh..ur good girl..
Xena, I have a question: If GZ is charged with perjury before the hearing on this motion, could that revoke his new bond?
Hi Lolypop,
I bet Judge Lester knows alot about GZ. I’m sure the LEO’s have shared all of this information with prosecutor Bernie de la Riondio too. GZ’s a scary guy, imo.
I love to learn too.
I’m beginning to think PaPa Zim is coaching George.
Enjoy your company! See you tomorrow.
BTW Xena,
Just an incidental finding..
“Uncle Mike’s” is a name brand.
I have always felt that GZ was getting all his coaching from his Dad(the judge,magistrate,etc).Late lastnight I was catching up on all the Doc Dump & read something I didn’t know until now,which was GZ was ESTRANGED from his family until THIS happened.He only had a relationship with his half sister.It was so late while I was reading,so I’m sorry that I don’t have a link right now.I’ll try to find it later.Am I the only one who didn’t know this? Maybe THIS is one of the reasons he paid back the money he owed to his parents.This whole case is really getting CRAZY.We are not finished with Casey’s case yet & of course we won’t be until the RIGHT person is brought down,so its getting hard to keep up with all of GZ’s IDIOT moves.Since this is the 2nd judge on the case,how many times can they have one recused? Is there a limit, or in Florida can you just keep changing until you get one you like? I ask this because when Casey had Strickland recused,everybody said that was the biggest mistake they could ever make because Perry was so tough & she would be stuck with him.This would be judge # 3 for GZ & its not even through the bond process! You guys are doing such a great job on this web site,I love coming here to read,get caught up & be able to comment without being attack,all of you know what I’m talking about.Have a Great Day!
“Uncle Mike” being a brand name. I didn’t know that. Thanks for that info.
I also read where the gun shop owner contacted the FBI because GZ wanted to purchase 3 guns. Maybe that is why GZ decided to contact the prosecutor for protection because his location would then be available through the gun shop. He might have felt that the gun shop owner betrayed him.
Marilyn, I had read that GZ was estranged from his family. I think it was on an article on Huffington Post or CNN that came out shortly after that article about GZ’s life before he killed TM. A paralegal friend in Maryland said he looked up GZ’s brother and found that his brother who made media appearances is actually a licensed lawyer in Florida. If that is true, then GZ might feel like a real failure not having completed a 2 yr college at the age of 28.
Re: Charges for perjury. Since it occured separate from the matter of the original charge, I suspect that it would require a separate bail. I don’t think it would be cause to revoke his current bond. Also if that happens, it would probably be 2 counts; one for fraud on the court and another for hiding the passport.
Hi Marilyn,
It’s always nice to see you. GZ was estranged from his family until this happened. I wonder if that had anything to do with the fact that GZ cut off his mother’s electricity and locked the breaker box/ fuse panel so it would be hard for her to turn it back on? A lot of thought went into George’s actions that day.
I know I would not think to do such a thing? Maybe a person with a depraved mind? Taking an argument to this extreme against your own mother is reckless and dangerous. There’s not a doubt in my mind, GZ was extremely agitated on the night of Feb 26. His reckless behavior caused the death of an innocent person whether it was racially motivated or not. What George did was stupid. The problem is there’s no law against being stupid so I guess he could hide behind the “It’s OK to be Stupid Law” but the problem with that is, he’s busy taking criminal law courses. LOL What a conundrum for the state of Florida!
Have a good evening Marilyn and thanks for stopping in. I agree with you 100%
JB..I agree with that last comment!..Not sure when the actual purchase of the new
gun was..but It says weeks after Feb 26..but before his arrest on April 11.
I have big questions about how GZ story of events ..all took place in approx 2 minutes.
While he was talking to dispatch , he said TM was running..then you heard door chimes..
he opens his vehicle door..dispatch says are you following? He says yes..she says we don’t want
you to do that..He says OK..have PD call me when they arrive so I can give them my
location.
He ends the call at 7:15, and PD arrives at 7:17. In 2 minutes, GZ catches up to TM,
they argue, TM allegedly beats his ass, GZ kills him..All in 2 minutes ??? In 2 minutes
there may have been enough time for GZ to catch up to him, and shoot him.
That voice screaming on the tape, is that of TM, I am convinced. I had tears when
I listened. No way, do I believe that was GZ.
And I want to know, if GZ was so distraught over having killed someone..how he
got over that within a few wks to go out and buy more guns. I don’t think he had
remorse..only fear of what his future held.
PELEEEEAAASE …A “cop killer” handgun, a Belgian-made semiautomatic pistol, capable of firing bullets at such high velocity that they can pierce body armor!!!!
AND
three magazines of ammunition????!!!
He had intent going on there! And what if? I mean he kills someone and
a couples weeks later can just go by more guns..and drive around with
an armor piercing gun..and 3 magazines of amunition?
The friend he was staying with is an ex Seminole County Cop. Sanford
is Seminole County.
Hi Xena,
Thank you for answering my question. In all honesty, there’s nothing more I’d like to hear “more charges against GZ”. At times I feel bad for wishing this on him because in my heart, I feel he really has a personality disorder which may stem from his upbringing under a strict mother.
The new docs answered a few other questions I had about George’s background. Not to be critical or judgmental about anyone’s weight but I noticed a few pictures of George where he looks quite heavier than he does now. There’s a picture of him in a orange jumpsuit where he looks heavier than now too. Could this indicate he used diet pills?
I found a few articles addressing the use of Adderall as weight control. Adderall is an amphetamine. Just a thought… as I’m trying to find reasons for GZ’s aggression.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26076014/ns/health-addictions/t/speed-diet-women-using-add-drugs-get-thin/
http://thecaloriecounter.net/adderall-weight-loss-pros-and-cons/
Here’s a link to a (2012) recent study addressing Adderall and how it effects one’s personality.
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/adderall/personality+change
Another good point you made..
like his brother. It’s so sad..It seems family dynamics played a part in GZ’s reckless behavior that ultimately caused the death of a innocent young man. He’s truly his own worst enemy, isn’t he?
Now that we know that his brother Robert is a licenced attorney and the fact that his family seemed to dwell on money and influence, It explains GZ’s high aspirations to be a judge.
I’m sure you would know, being a judge takes more than a 2yr course in criminal law. LOL, At 28 years old, I’d think a person would at least be enrolled in law school and at minimal have a bachelor degree in SOMETHING. lol…
And I totally agree with you about GZ feeling a bit like a slacker in light of his brother’s accomplishments.
Perhaps in George’s mind, being a judge would be more influential than being an attorney.
snoop246, the new articles report that the former Seminole County cop (Mark Osterman) also accompanied GZ on the re-enactment and is the same person who told investigators that GZ was estranged from his family. Osterman was terminated from the Sheriff’s Dept. for taking an off-duty job offered to him by what turned out to be a con artist. That con artist issued a bad check for the vehicle he was driving, and when Osterman found out, he did not report it as a stolen vehicle to the dealer but tried to arrange a deal so that the dealer would pay a finder’s fee. Strangely, Osterman is now a U.S. Marshall assigned to fly on planes undercover.
To avoid conspiracy theories, I’ve kept my thoughts to myself, but upon hearing GZ’s call to 911 about the “suspicious person” I felt it was scripted, setting up the stage to wrongfully shoot that person. “He has his hand in his waistband.” “He has something in his hand.” “Something’s wrong with him.” “He’s checking me out.” “He’s on drugs or something.” The question is, why? Why would GZ purposefully setup a strange teen to be shot and possibly killed? The good thing for TM is that he ran before GZ could completely set the stage to kill him on the spot with 911 hearing nothing more than GZ’s descriptions of TM’s purported physical actions.
I once lived in a gated community. The association advised residents to let security know when they were going on vacation. (We didn’t have neighborhood watch but actual security personnel.) Since my then husband never took me anywhere, I wasn’t concerned about it. LOL. But know what? Later I learned that those residents who did report that they were going away returned to find that they had been robbed! Security in gated communities is a perfect coverup for crime.
Can’t help but wonder if someone suspected GZ of being part of the B&Es and him feeling the heat, would take the first opportunity to setup an innocent person. GZ had financial problems. I pray that the prosecutors will go to the local pawn shops in addition to any around Lake Mary where GZ was living with Osterman. They might find that GZ was a regular customer pawning stolen property.
Just wanted to remind anyone who wants to see Jose Baez’s Documentary,it come on Sunday night on MSNBC,thats 8:00 PM here in the central time zone!! I hope every one will watch with me!! JB…I am so sorry this was probably the wrong place to post this!! I’ve been trying to prepare for Kids & Grandbaby’s visit tomorrow & I’m already worn out!! Gotta go back thru here & catch up on what all I missed on here today.Thanks Guys!
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If I can..it’s getting late..lol
Oh thank you Marilyn! I’m going to auto-tune it now! Have fun with your family tomorrow. I plan on baking a cake sometime tonight.
JB~
Hi Snoop,
I wish I knew the date of the first national news release when JJ and Sharpton announced the story. I believe it was sometime in mid-March but I’m not sure. I’ll have to go back to one of my earlier articles.
I think Judge Lester knew about the gun purchases when he revoked GZ’s bond. No Judge in his right mind wants a guy like GZ running around with “cop killers”. Again GZ’s actions are over-the-top and unreasonable.
911 call with time stamps **Good one!
Here’s GZ’s 911 call with time stamps from YouTube. I’m still looking for the witness 911 call when you can hear the actual gunshot. If we had a time stamped audio of this call it could tell us the exact time GZ shot TM. Then we’d know the time it took for GZ to return to his vehicle as he claimed he was doing when he was allegedly shot. From every map I’ve seen, he didn’t have far to go to get to his truck.
GZ’s claim that he was looking for an address is also suspicious IMO because if the dispatcher is asking for his location, wouldn’t he want to give the location of his truck, not walk across the walk-thru to the next street?
Snoop, none of GZ’s statements to LE are the same. He goes from “I was looking for an address” to “I was lingering at the T trying to get my flashlight to work” He really doesn’t have a solid answer as to why he didn’t make it back to his truck when the dispatcher told him he didn’t need to follow the suspicious guy.
Snoop, you’re so right about his attitude after killing an unarmed 17 year old. If that were me, the last thing I’d want to do is buy more guns. IIRC, George and Shellie had recently received a $18,000 settlement. I’m assuming this is where he got the money to buy more guns.
Hmm..so GZ’s friend who took him in is a ex-Sanford cop?? Wow. George was probably getting alot of coaching as to what to say and how to act in a SYG case.
Yep, he’s manipulation the system. I agree with Judge Lester.
Wow Xena..that’s deep. But not impossible. You might know the answer to this question too.
I found GZ’s report to 911 a bit too descriptive too. I agree with you, he could be setting the stage. He starts out by telling the dispatcher, “there’s been recent break-ins” <– Is this considered probable cause?
And then as you mentioned, he tells dispatch, "he's got something in his waistband" <– again, adds more fuel to the fire, per se. .as if to imply the person is armed. GZ goes further and says "yeah, he's on something" <–paraphrasing Now his victim is a junkie. And so on..the call is very descriptive.
Early on, I read somewhere that in the application for a permit to carry a concealed weapon, I read that the a guidelines that protect you in a SYG case are written in a manual..or somewhere in the app. Maybe GZ knew exactly what he was doing.
Hmm.. U may right.
Another thing…I'm wondering about. It seems like some of GZ's supporters don't want to lock into GZ being NWC. They prefer to call him a "concerned citizen". I think there's something in the law about this too. If he's a concerned citizen he can legally carry a firearm as opposed to NWP which states he can not carry a firearm. Hmm.. So what will it be?
Yep, I think Judge Lester has good reason to say GZ is manipulating the system. jmo. There's something going on that the public isn't aware of..at least not yet. lol
Well..I’m going to start baking a cake. LOL.. Its been on my mind all day.
be back in a few
JB,
I don’t believe for one second that George was looking for an address. How stupid could he be and think everyone else is just as stupid?
Much easier to tell the dispatcher he was going to be at the clubhouse like he said, if he was having a hard time seeing an address, wouldn’t he think that the police would have a hard time finding an address too?
His head? I still think that he hit it on some object as he fell. He says’s he fell. That crime sign
was right there where his flashlight was.
I think Trayvon was screaming out in fear and pain and about that time others in the neighborhood
may have been screaming, but for George to say I don’t need you to call 911, he had already called them, that was before trayvon was killed and they were on their way.
I need you to help me restrain this dead teenager that I just killed?
The police arrived right after George murdered Trayvon.
At the end of the re-enactment, someone said something about his clean up? Did he say my wife is a nurse and she went to work real fast???
This guy has told so many lies, he’s hoping people will get confused.
It just makes them dig into it and ask more.
I have a question. : )
Why do they say they have to find out who layed the first blow to determine
if George was standing his ground?
George was the one harrassing Trayvon, following Trayvon for no reason. He even says HE DON’T have a problem, so what the hell is he foing following him?
I also heard about this about this the second week in March. They were frustrated that George was able to go anywhere he wanted and to buy guns. So did he have to go in disguise?
Living with an ex-cop because he coildn’t get along with his family?
He’s still the kind of guy that wants his way and will do anything to get it.
Oh, JB,I agree!
I think George is not a concerned citizen. He’s a nosy citizen and very
dangerous.
I wish the judge would have given him no bail. O’mara better be thankful that the have
Lester! That’s my opinion!
JB, it’s almot 2:00 and you’re baking a cake? lol
Well, Good night all.
See you tomorrow. : )
Well, I’m still up. LOL!!
Re: The probably cause question. GZ always used that excuse when he called 911 about “suspicious person.”
I’ll see if I can find info about the reverends’ first press conference. I am a MSNBC junkie, so remember when Rev. Sharpton first mentioned about this. It was a mere mention — no details. Then about a week or more passed before he said anything else about it. I’ll also see about locating the 911 call with the shot heard.
HOWEVER, it has already been established that from the time GZ hung up with 911, until calls from residents started coming into 911, was 80 SECONDS. When residents made those calls, the confrontation was already underway.
Re: concerned citizens and other hater arguments. If you look at them carefully, they are totally opposite from what GZ told 911, claimed in his reports, and during his interrogations. GZ has ALWAYS held his role in NW as though it gave him authority to call 911 and justify all of his actions.
Who threw the first punch? That is actually irrelevant. When I first heard about this case, I researched SYG appellate court decisions in Florida. Those decisions involve writs for immunity that were denied by the circuit court and the decision was appealed. The law is not that old. That in fact, in the first appeal in 2005, the Florida Court of Appeals relied on a Colorado decision. I looked for decisions by Appellate Court Justices that lay out the requirements for immunity in SYG defenses when the acts did not take place in one’s home or vehicle. Which goes to say JB, that when GZ was going through those descriptions while sitting in his vehicle, he understood very well that being in his vehicle would be a slam-dunk SYG case.
When SYG is claimed outside of one’s home or vehicle, when both parties have the right to be where they are, there are additional requirements to prevail on a SYG defense. Based on Florida Appellate Court decisions, and to paraphrase, defendants seeking immunity under SYG must not have done anything to create the conditions leading to them using self-defense. That is why GZ’s following of TM, or even being outside of his truck physically exposing himself to danger as he described the person to be “suspicious,” is the relevant factor in this case.
That is also why O’Mara attempts to focus on GZ’s purported injuries rather than how the situation was created.
Remember the case tried by Corey where the defendant claimed she was standing her ground and ended up sentenced to a statutory 20 years? The judge said in that case that the defendant had opportunity to remove herself from the situation. That is a decision that is bound to determine GZ’s case also. He had opportunity (more than 2 minutes after being told “We don’t need you to do that.” to return to his truck.
Now about that cake JB. If you say it’s German Chocolate, I’m going out to find one and eat the entire cake.
Section 776.041 describes use of force by the aggressor (in this case Zimmerman as he initiated the entire incident). The section reads: ” justification (for use of deadly force) described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who: (2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) ….. has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force
BTW,,Hi to NTS!!!! Wherever you are?
JB>>>>>Every time I hear this 911, I get soooo angry at PD for not doing drug , alcohol tests! He is
stoned, whether street drugs, or script drugs..alcohol maybe in mix..but not only that, he definitely
is showing Paranoia behavior! Why does he not identify himself as the neighborhood watchman?
And he neglects to tell them he’s been stalking this guy.
Tm told his girlfriend already this weirdo was following him..She heard the conversation..
It was raining bad enough they called off the race..anyone outside was wearing a hood if not an umbrella..not many 17 yr olds use umbrellas. In fact I was out that eve..wearing a light gray sweat with my hood up to run in an establishment. I didnt want to take my umbrella in..and it was a light
rain at the time.
This was a senseless death. He never had to get out of his vehicle. He caused this no matter
how you look at it. He even says WOw yeah this guys messed up..yeah somethings wrong with him. THEN exits his vehicle to chase him???? WHY NOT??? HE HAS A GUN HE CAN SHOOT HIM
IF HE CAUSES A PROBLEM!!!!!! SELF DEFENSE??? HE WAS THE AGRESSOR..TM WASNT ROBBING HIM..HE WAS WALKING DOWN THE STREET..TM had not a freakin clue who this guy was. I don’t care if he knocked the shit out of him..GZ is to blame! Why there is even a question
in anyones mind , I don’t get..Its black and white to me. And I didn’t mean race.
If I was walking in my neighborhood or anywhere..as I said especially SANFORD..and
someone followed me..got out of his vehicle..C’MON..I fight him..he shoots me cold dead..and it was my fault?
Even the dispatcher sounds apprehensive the way GZ is expressing himself..
OK..my passion is getting the best of me..I gotta come up for air!
Xena,
I remember when I first heard this and thought it had just happened. Then found out my friend here had heard it briefly and he was talking about it. I asked how come they hadn’t arested him and he said it was some stupid law. That’s the first that I had heard about Trayvon and also the SYG law.
So, even it he was claiming SYG, why hadn’t it been on the news?
They say Zimmerman’s being tried in the media and he’s in danger and sorts???
BIG DEAL!!
That’s exactly why O’Mara doesn’t want the true Zimerman.
And I couldn’t understand WHY they were protecting this guy so much.
In self defense OR SYG don’t you have to prove it.
While I’m on the media, what about each talking head saying it depends on who hit first.
What do they think we’re all a bunch of dumb asses, why do they keep saying it?
That’s why there’s outrage from at least half and there should be.
Try to hide or cover it up, it get’s worse. Then Geraldo said it was the hoodie so when, about I think a well deserved protest began and that’s why they wore the hoodies.And sense Trayvon was black, that’s why he “looked suspicious”. Why do they think Zimmerman’s not a racist, why else did he mean when he says he looks suspicious? He wasn’t doing anything that he shouldn’t or couldn’t be doing.
Zimmerman get’s out of his truck to see the addresses, doen’t even know whether his flashlight is working, but he has his gun. He told the police it wasn’t working they told him the next day it was.
I believe that Trayvon was close by when Zimmerman said to the dispatcher, that he didn’t want to
give his address because, he didn’t want Trayvon to hear him.
But, sense he changes his story every time, he isn’t going to be able to ever keep it right.
I remember reading at first, that Zimmerman could get Unjustified use of a firearm.
Which is worse 2nd, third. manslaughter or Unjustified use of a firearm.
Enjoy you cake. : )
i missed JOSE:( guess I’ll catch it online
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Lr3DOqaSE&w=560&h=315%5D
Snoop,
That was funny. Sounds like me.”up for air” : )
I get so angry at the sheer stupidity that we are being fed.
I know I wanted to keep race out of it, but I believe that’s why he said he looked suspicious.
When he spoke to the dispatcher, he had been following him slowly in the truck, he knew what race he was.
What drives me crazy is people that say well he’s got friends????
My cousin by marriage is a racist and we’ve had many fights over the years when we were together.
He now has 2 bi-racial grandsons and he’s still a racist.
It doesn’t matter except, Zimmerman said every black person looked suspicious.
With Zimmerman following hm in a truck, slowing down and still following him, parks, then get’s out of his truck and is still following him, now says he lost him, he’s frustrated and wants to kill whoever it is and if the police get there before he does, he won’t be able to do that, so he hurries up, falls down, well says he falls down, then says he was hit by Trayvon and fell down.
IF it had been Trayvon that killed him like he says he was scared for his life (only because he got out of his truck) with his bare hands because this weird person was following and chasing him, would Trayvon have been charged with murder?
Also, same here about the drugs or whatever it drives me crazy that they didn’t do a blood test on Zimmerman.
Zimmerman has a hoodie, what if someone thought he looked suspicious
wearing it in the pouring rain.
Guess I need to come up for air too.
This was March 20 when Sharpton made his show on TM..That Thur the 22nd coming to FL..26th was the March here in Fl..Rev Jackson same week.
oops link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/20/al-sharpton-trayvon-marti_n_1366753.html
OK just 1 more.Sry JB LOL
Good Evening All,
I had a hardware malfunction today. Mouse needs batteries But now I’m up, running and clicking away.
@Xena,
You’ve answered so many questions, thank you so much. 80 SECONDS, Got it. To walk back to his truck. Hmm..
You said:
I think this is the most relevant issue. By GZ’s own words, GZ did create the conditions leading them to fight, he exposed himself to danger. That’s what will convict him, imo.
That’s what it taste like. It’s good. The family has been attacking it all day. I just cut a thin slice a few minutes ago … It wasn’t quite a half, so I made it even.
Excellent comment Xena and good reference when I begin to doubt the state’s case.
BTW, No, not German chocolate cake… I decided to try a new frosting recipe, buttercream almond frosting on top of white almond cake.
Mmm..you ever feel like eating wedding cake?
Jb sorry..I thought that 1st one was time stamped..I have one somewhere..but I don’t think
it gave the time..but a count down of 45 seconds from screams to gunshot…I thought thats
what I loaded there. There is also 2 parts to the timestamp you have..but Ive already put
enough there..LOL
Ok feel free to delete the other scream one and the link above..Im so sorry..This is the one you were looking for
You read and hear, Trayvon was in a gated community and walking down the back???
Like really?
His Dad’s girlfriend lived there, he had as much right going in there as Zimmerman.
He’s walking in the back?
Yeah!!! The sidewalk is in the back.
I’m not sure about the time, but I believe Zimmerman shot and killed him not too long
after speaking to the dispatcher because I think Zimmerman was closer to Trayvon at that time and was pissed because, he said now he’s running, plus the dispatcher told him he didn’t need to follow him.
The dispatcher didn’t know that you Don’t tell George what to do or what not to do.
All of this happened in just minutes. Zimmerman didn’t have blood all over him from scooting around under Trayvon, that was a lie. The police were there right then when he stood up.
21/2 min from disconnect from PD til this call screaming..he ran for 11/2 min..so how long did it take to get back to truck..he had 21/2 min between disconnect and screaming. So if he ran back
11/2 min leaves minute to spare..But he said TM had ran to the back..so question is how long
would it take TM to get back to GZ truck or proximity? BUT they were not at the truck..they were
in the backyard of apartments..right?..So GZ got off the phone..and knew where he was already..
thats why he interrupted the dispatch and asked for them to call for his location..and why he was
nervous giving his address. But made it appear that he was out of sight? GZ went after him.
Lolypop..I finally got right timestamp video LOL..I went ahead and posted it above
21/2 min WOW
Thank you Snoop,
I’ll delete the other video as soon as I sign in. I’m sorry, I’m confused. Lol..
I just listened to GZ’s 911 call.
End of GZ’s 911 call
Approx. 07:13:39;29
Then I listened to the citizen 911 call from the time stamp video you provided.
Sound of gunshot:
Approx. 07:16:39;41
So if that’s right, it seems like it took approx. 3 minutes for George to hang up the phone and walk back to his truck to wait for LE. Or you could say it took approx. 3 minutes for George to lull on the walk-thru until TM approached him to ask him if he had a problem.
I think that’s right but PLEASE double check…to be sure.
Hi Loly,
I totally agree with you. GZ is so full of it. I hate to hear ppl say that GZ was cooperating with LE. Just because you’re feeding LE a bunch of BS doesn’t mean you’re cooperating. lol
Snoop,
Has it been established how many feet from GZ truck to the T at the walk-thru? I seem to remember Serino asking GZ why did it take him 80 seconds to walk 30 yards. But don’t quote me.
I look at my notes.
Hello everyone and as this Sunday comes to an end, here’s hoping that your week will be fulfilled, enjoyable, healthy and loving. Btw JP, I bought a sock-it-to-me cake, but I’d trade it for the one you made. Hmmm. Sounds yummy.
I’m anxiously awaiting for the second interview with witness 9 to be released.
Also, I’ve been thinking strongly about O’Mara’s motion to substitute Judge Lester. GZ presents a pattern. He took the stand at his first bond hearing and said that he didn’t know if TM was armed or not. Fear and distrust.
Then he lied to the court about how much money he has, and defended himself through his attorney by saying he was afraid and distrustful of the system. It is as though he is saying that after not being charged, he feels betrayed that he was thus giving him justification to be dishonest and possibly flee to avoid prosecution.
Now, he wants to substitute the judge because he is afraid and distrustful of getting a fair hearing.
With GZ, he does what is wrong but seeks to avoid consequences by holding others responsible for not gaining his trust!! Mark my words, eventually O’Mara is going to be on the receiving end of this type of behavior and realize that he has to do what GZ wants, the way that he wants, or GZ is going to retaliate against him too.
lolypop,speaking of Geraldo have you seen this http://thinkprogress.org/media/2012/07/13/516242/geraldo-rivera-gloats-i-was-right-about-the-hoodie/. And the “well deserved protest “.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS6rdo_ukEc
Snip::I had not seen this forgive me if there has already been a link here..Despite objections by George Zimmerman’s attorneys, the public will get to hear 145 additional phone calls Zimmerman made from the Seminole County jail, as well as the statement of a witness who says he doesn’t like black people.
The witness, identified as “Witness 9″ in prosecution documents, has not been publicly identified. One of her two statements has been withheld from the public so far, and attorney Mark O’Mara argued it should stay that way.In her other statement, Witness 9 says that she knows Zimmerman, as well as his family.
“I know George, and I know that he does not like black people,” she said, speaking to a Sanford police investigator. “He would start something. He’s a very confrontational person. It’s in his blood. Let’s just say that.”
She went on to describe Zimmerman and his family as “just mean and open about it, and I don’t know what he’s capable of, but I do know things that he’s done to me that I would never, I would never talk to him about ever again.”
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-13/news/os-george-zimmerman-witness-9-jail-calls-20120713_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-mark-o-mara
JB..the screaming began 7:16:11 then gunshot 7:16:39..So it was aprox 3 minutes until gunshot..BUT 21/2 min until next call with the screaming already going on..
So the time between
GZ disconnecting and the screaming is what Im talking about..The time that was allowed for GZ
to get back to truck and TM to get there as well is 21/2 min …
JB ..LOLOL..shall I go to Sanford and measure LOL..Brings back memories of
measuring out at Suburban DR
End of GZ’s 911 call – 07:13:39;29
Xena says:
HOWEVER, it has already been established that from the time GZ hung up with 911, until calls from residents started coming into 911, was 80 SECONDS. When residents made those calls, the confrontation was already underway.
Approx. time of initial confrontation – 07:14;19
911 call, scuffle already in progress
approx. 2:45 minutes from the time GZ hung up – 07:16;11
Sound of gunshot from 911 citizen call – 07:16:39;41
If my math is right, does this mean GZ & TM were fighting for a little over 2 minutes? Wow. That’s a long time to be in a fight. Maybe this is why Serino is leaning towards 2 different encounters.
I’m following you Snoop. Thank you Maam
LOL..Yes please Snoop! At least its not in the woods like last time.
If they were fighting for 2 minutes than he would have had to met up with TM
within 30 seconds after disconnecting from PD. There are 21/2 minutes between
disconnect from PD 7:13:39…is 21/2 minutes until 911 call with screaming in progress at 7:16:11..
There is another audio that counts down the phone call from scream to gunshot at 45 seconds.
7:13 and 39 seconds..to 7:16 and 11 seconds ..so it was 20 seconds til 7:14. Another 2min
and 11 seconds..thats 21/2 minutes
Hi lex,
Thanks for the links. Ahh.. I think Geraldo is gloating for the wrong reason. If he read the docs he’d know that according to Sanford PD Gang Unit, there’s a local gang referred to as “Goons” who wear hoodies, so it’s more likely that GZ profiled TM wearing a hoodie to belong to the “Goon Gang” lol
Snoop,
I trust your math much more than mine. I’ll go with 2.5 minutes because my timing on the extra seconds is wrong.
gunshot 2:16:39..So from the time he disconnected..and walked back to his truck after running 90 seconds..it would have taken him at least that..and TM how long to get back? he…So the point is
he alledgedly came back to truck and was the agressor on GZ..I !dont buy it!
Do you have handy when girlfriend disconnected that is when the fight began
Snoop,
No I don’t but that would be a good source. I haven’t done any searching on DeeDee yet. I only have a copy of Tracy’s phone bill. It’s on a different an earlier thread.
bbr.
Snoop,
Here’s Tracy Martin’s phone bill.
http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/call+log.pdf
Snoop,
On page 7, DeeDee’s call starts at 7:12 — 4 minutes. The bill doesn’t reflect seconds. This could indicate TM drops the phone at 7:16. Dang..that’s just seconds before he’s shot.
Lex,
Geraldo is so full of BS!!
Where the hell is his concern for making a hoodie the reason for Trayvon’s death?
It’s total BS.
Does he ever learn orhave anything intelligent to say.
He really is stupid! I guess he thinks hoodies should be banned.
I wonder if we could find a picture of a hoodie on Geraldo or does he just have
something against hoodies.
He’s a dumbass and always wants attention , no matter what he stirs up.
Is heplanning on having a protest against hoodies. Does he or his kids ever wear
a hoodie.
Like Snoop said a lot of people were wearing hoodies that day, EVEN Zimmerman has a hoodie.
Should they all be murdered. Like they say, you can’t fix stupid!!
Isn’t technology wonderful?
I’m sure GZ didn’t realize he’d have all of these witnesses. I’m sure he didn’t know TM was on the phone and he probably didn’t know that the gunshot would be heard by a 911 dispatcher and was recorded to the hundreth-second.
Snoop, we’re amateurs. lol Imagine timeline the FBI has already put together? Hmm.. I can’t wait for the truth to come out.
Well..I’m off to bed. I have a doctor appt tomorrow.
See you tomorrow.
Xena,
Everything Georege does is blamed on fear.
Now he’s afraid of the judge and court system??
Well, damn aren’t we all.
I can just hear something like that going over in a trial, can’t you? LMAO
He’s unreal and his lawyer is too. IMO
Who do they think they are?
Snoop
2 1/2 minutes? WOW is right!
I will never believe he was ever headed back to his truck.
He lost Trayvon for a second and had to find him.
Sick!
I also don’t believe Trayvon asked did he have a problem. Makes no sense.
I can understand Trayvon asking him why he was following him.
JB is so right “Liar” George. He can’t tell them fast enough!.
Well, guess I’m off to bed too.
Good night everyone. : )
I go to bed trying to figure this out. : )
Have a good visit with the dr. tomorrow JB!
lolypop,http://toxichominid.com/2012/03/24/hypocrite-geraldo-rivera-wearing-dangerous-hoodies/. jb yes p.116 of the docs.I think Zimmerman saw Martin as a local “goon”.
JB..Thanks..30 seconds..
He is talking to his girlfriend, telling her this guy is following
him..step by step he tells her what is going on..Then BAM..something happens and the
headset gets knocked out..She can still hear..but hard to make out..then the phone
dies..and so does TM.
His headset getting knocked out..tells me that GZ was the agressor..TM WITHOUT
A CLUE…who the hell this guy is..
He was talking on the damn phone to his girlfriend!He may be deceased..but
she lives on as his witness!!!!!! What transpired..or who threw the first punch..
or who kicked who’s ass..does not matter. TM was an INNOCENT VICTIM.
If you listen closely to GZ words in the 911..you will hear his thoughts and
actions that follow. He was stalking TM as an animal stalks his prey.
He sets up the suspicion..he gets out of his vehicle..chases him..continues when
PD tells him to stop..he says OK still running..the PD hesitates..because..he KNOWS
he is still running after him..So he asks his name..GM at that point has TM in his
sights..I’m convinced..He is VERY close..he interrupts the PD..and tells him
CALL FOR LOCATION..After going over explicitly more than once..of his
location. That is because he was NO LONGER WHERE HE WAS.
I feel something is missing here.
.I would like to know how many breakins
have happened since GZ left the neighborhood? I think it was Xena that
brought up neighborhood watch cover up crime. is that what it was?
Or was GZ in a “mood” or “altered mind” as JB mentions that provocated
his actions?
We know what was going through TM’s mind..Who the hell is this guy..why
is he stalking me?
WTH was going on in GZ’s mind???
Thanks Lex 11:34! LOL
All reporters wear them. I can’t think of one that I haven’t seen,
they are out in the weather at any givin time and it beats carrying an umbrella.
Why does he keep drummimg up BS about the hoodie?
Sorry to hear him say such crap after apologizing to the Martins. It would be best if
he would just shut up.
I appreciate him for one thing and that was standing by Jose when no one else would,
even though that was probably BS.
Maybe Jose can give him some advice. : )
BTW, Lex,
Just think all of those times Geraldo had on that hoodie, I wonder
if he was ever shot out or someone told him he looked like a thug.
Sometimes it better for him to discuss something else about this case
or else he just keeps looking like a fool. LMAO!!
Snoop,
What was going through Zimmerman’s mind was these assholes always get away, I’m not doing what the dispatcher tells me, I’m George Zimmerman.
Who the hell does this dispatcher think he’s talking to, I’m going to “STAND MY GOUND”
kill him. I’ve got my gun, who cares if my flashlight doesn’t work, my gun is all I need.
I will get by with it.
The policeman asked what was wrong with his flashlight, told Zimmerman it was working,
BUT Zimmerman didn’t want Trayvon to see where he was so he didn’t turn on his flashlight, even
though he said he was “looking” for addresses in the dark. This is my opinion of what happened. Zimmerman wasn’t going back to his truck.
NOW, King Zimmerman is not pleased with this judge, he wants another one.
They WANTED this judge, ot him and Zimmerman still wants to run his show.
I’m surprised because he didn’t even deserve a bond after what he did and was capable of.
It’s not the judges fault, it’s Zimmerman! He is the one that has caused all of this.
What will he want next?
Too bad Trayvon didn’t get what he was pleading for!
Hello everyone. I’ve tried listening to some of GZ’s released calls. He talks so low that it’s hard to make out, so I’ll wait until I have time to sit with headphones.
There is something I want to share and get opinions. I have a friend who is a Sheriff. She’s petite, about 5’4″ and 100 lbs. One time she described to me how she had to take down a huge guy and did take him down but then needed help from another Sheriff until she could cuff him.
GZ had training as a cop. He has cop friends. GZ’s intent was to take TM down to restrain him. In his re-enactment, he says that he asked a resident to help him restrain TM.
GZ is left-handed, and wore his gun on his right-side — classic cop style for having the strongest arm available to restrain while retrieving cuffs or weapon.
Cops do not shoot with one hand. When they shoot, they use both hands. I don’t believe GZ for one minute when he said that he shot TM using only one hand.
It is my impression from the recording with the screams for help that some pain is expressed in those screams. When cops take-down a person, they take one arm behind the back and pull up REAL HARD while pushing the person forward so they fall face down. With one knee in the back of the person, they then cuff the one hand while reaching for the other to bring around. But GZ had no handcuffs and TM was struggling to get away. Thus, the wrestling and rocking from side to side reported by witnesses.
At some point, TM is either face up or standing when he is shot. I do believe that GZ rolled TM’s body over face down and that is how he got TM’s blood on his jacket sleeve.
Xena..Excellent comment!
Hi snoop!!! GZ’s taped phone calls are very difficult to hear him. I’m taking a break for the rest of the night. Enjoy your evening!!
Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth R. Lester , who is presiding over the case, ordered the document released under Florida’s public records law.O’Mara made an unsuccessful 11th hour attempt on Monday to stop the public release of the statement, filing a motion barely four minutes before prosecutors’ scheduled release of the audio recording.He also filed a motion on Friday requesting the judge recuse himself, arguing that Lester has displayed b ias a nd Zimmerman be lieves he will not be given a fair trial.
The woman said she finally told her parents in 05 when she was 20. She said her parents called Zimmerman to a meeting at a pizza restaurant in Lake Mary.”
Instead of talking about it, all he did was come in the room, come in the restaurant, he sat down on the end of the booth and he said ‘I’m sorry’ and just got up and walked out … my parents, their jaws dropped,” the woman said.
Asked “Why Now” she says this is the first time I’m not afraid of him, he cant get to me.
This tape interview was March 20. I believe it was 90 min long. I will post Part 1 only..I believe there are at least 4 parts or more..So JB I will leave to up to you..
Hello All,
Hoping everyone had a good Monday.
Xena,
What you described is very interesting. Putting GZ in the shoes of a REAL LEO, tells a different story. If he’s trained or getting pointers from his LE friend, that’s exactly how he may have handled TM. You said, “cops do not shoot with one hand”. Hmm.. Remember George used the word “aim”? Serino immediately questioned this, GZ quickly thought to explain he shot from the hip while he was on the ground. Again because they allowed GZ to wash his hands we’ll never know if he used one hand or two.
When I picture GZ sitting out in his truck watching his “suspect”, in “REAL LE” mode, I can imagine how disrespected he felt that this punk kid TM circled his truck. Xena, I really think that’s what set Zim off. GZ was totally out of control. He’s cussing to the 911 dispatcher, referring to TM as these a*holes always get away. He freely uses the “F” word freely, again disrespecting the dispatcher. He was totally unprofessional for a NWC or a civilian to talk this way unless he was angry. With that said, I can picture GZ doing a take-down on TM like you described. IMO, the lack of TM’s blood on GZ tells a different story than his statements. Good point Xena.
Anyway I read about Witness 9. Hmm..I’m not sure what to call what happened between GZ and his cousin when they were kids, GZ was 8, she was 6 when they began “whatever” we want to call it. Was this 2 kids playing doctor? :sigh: IDK..
Was doesn’t sit right with me though, is that it continued until she was 16. Who was at fault when she was 16 and he was 18? In some states that’s considered statutory rape. Had her parents knew then, they could have pressed charges against GZ. If he were found guilty, he could have went to prison. In any case, he would have to forever register as a sex offender for the rest of his life. I’m not saying that this is always right but many of nice young men find themselves in this situation. Then POOF! Dreams are off, No judgeship, no career in LE. BUT Again GZ is not held accountable for his actions like everyone else. He’s just asked to a meeting at a Pizza restaurant, he says he’s sorry and walks out the door which seems to be the case with everything he does in life. Hmm..well not this time George. It’s not going to be that easy.
Tsk tsk…It’s called Karma.
Well,
JB you’re right. It was serious enough for them to all talk about it. I need to read more about it I guess.
The point that it brings out is he never has to answer for anything and has gotten by for years, like he said I’m sorry at the first bond hearing. Really? Then O’Mara and Zimmerman think telling the judge he’s sorry would solve it, like you said not this time
I guess they wanted to keep this out of public, but didn’t realize this would be the thing that would cause more hostility and Zimmerman not get a fair trial.
Them not arresting George and all of the things that they didn’t do that night is what makes some of the public outraged.
I was in a hurry when I linked the video..I hadn’t even listened til now. LOL
Yes, I agree JB..6-8 I’m not sure..but the fact it was carried into adulthood..whether
he ever penetrated or not..he was a family member, with get togethers and what not
so she did have many years of intimidation,,as well as she says allegedly others.
She does speak of his ability to charm people, entertain, make them laugh at the
get togethers, meanwhile doing the nasty and getting away with it. Now he is just
not invited to any family get togethers, and seems everyone just let it go.
It has nothing to do with race..or the shooting, but it does speak of GZ character.
Like you said..he says he is sorry and walks away.
He best hope he has not intimidated anyone else along the way, that decides to
paint his character further LOL
Here’s a link for the telephone calls.
http://www.local10.com/-/1717430/15561106/-/8aqxrv/-/index.html
I’ll get back later to respond.
Thank you Snoop for asking. Yes, please if you have more of her interview, post them. I’d like to hear it all.
So far, I commend her for coming forward. She didn’t have to put herself out there like this. Most people would sweep this chapter out of their life and never speak of it again. So for her to come forward, she must really feel strongly that GZ is a deceptive person.
Sad thing..if the state puts her on the stand, O’Mara will probably eat her up alive.
In answer to an investigator, witness 9 said that GZ never penetrated her. I think he tried to gain her trust, or her fear of him, so if it did happen he could say it was consentual.
The part about him having surgery must be verifiable through medical records, I would think.
8 yrs old??? This is learned behavior. Children can very well be curious, but they are not forceful. Hate the thought of it, but he was no doubt being sexually abused himself.
The one thing I got from the interview that might apply to the murder case is how GZ portrays himself in front of people, but is someone else when doing wrong. That coincides with his former co-worker who said that GZ has a great poker face.
Btw JP, I don’t think that TM circled GZ’s truck. GZ didn’t say that to the 911 dispatcher. What he said was “He’s checking me out.” Now, on the vid for the clubhouse, you can see headlights, and the vehicle makes a u-turn and then the headlights are placed on high beam. Certainly, that would get TM’s attention — he would check-it-out. I’m under the impression that GZ did that intentionally hoping that TM would approach the vehicle, and that is why he became so frustrated and angry when TM ran.
And again, had TM approached GZ’s vehicle and they engaged in physical contact, he could have killed him dead, claimed SYG, and had a positive defense and possibly a witness since it is suspected that Shellie was in the truck and 911 dispatch was on the line.
This is the link to a video on a police take-down.
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KWc_WiAsm8&w=420&h=315%5D
Xena,
That’s probably what the 911 callers were thinking they were wrestling.
Can you imagine the pain
that Trayvon was going through?
I wish those appartments would have had surveilance cameras.
I do believe he was shot with both hand and Trayvon was already in pain and then pleading for his life. Very sad!
Who said something like marshall arts or whatever. It was probably
George doing a police take down.
This is real interesting, SAD though.
Just thought of something. there were a lot of witnesses that we haven’t heard yet and
they be able to tell the whole thing.
There’s so much I have to catch up with. So thanks for the info. : )
Good night everybody.
lolypop, I could “see” the take-down and why TM would be screaming for help. Not only was he in pain, but he was placed in pain by a strange man who had followed him. The Zimmbot crowd would want us to believe that TM was hitting GZ martial arts style, but again, the lab reports found none of GZ’s DNA or blood on TM’s hands.
All this time, I thought that GZ had a right-hand holster, but it turns out that might not be the case and why the prosecution questioned shooting-range employees. IF GZ carried on his right-side in a left-hand holster, it would be to draw with his left-hand, but he says he drew with his right. In a left-hand holster, his gun would be butt forward. Also, I can’t see him doing that with TM straddling him.
O’Mara has to be a desparate man, and that is why he tried litigating self-defense at the bond hearing. Judge Lester wasn’t going to have it!!! I predict that rather go through a SYG hearing, GZ is going to cop a plea. Shellie probably serving time for perjury might encourage him to do that. Let them sit in the same pen together.
Hi Xena,
Thank you so much for the link. I’m up to Call 5 but I think this will be my last one for the night. I’m ready to hit the hay. It’s been a long day..
I noted:
I suspect he was making quite a few calls before this one.
Call 1- it seems he’s beginning to conspire his money moving adventure. And he wants to use the Hot Spot. I’m not internet savvy but I’m sure there’s a reason he wants to use wi-fi as opposed to land. He’s even telling Shellie to hide her identity when putting money in his commissary. Geesh this guy thinks of everything.
Did anyone notice that he said he came to jail with about $124 but in Call 1, yet his balance is $5.00. What happened to his money?
Call 4 – I noted Shellie asking him if was sick. She asked him again in Call 5 when he was crying. I think GZ might be detoxing from Rx’s – I wonder which one though because he mentioned in another call that they gave him his meds, Adderall and I believe he said Temazepam? But he talks so low, I’m not sure. Anyway, I think he’s Jonesing for something else. JMO
BTW, did the media release the name of GZ’s cousin yet?
Just curious..
Well..I’m signing off. Gnite.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/07/17/lesters-revenge-the-release-of-the-jailhouse-calls/#comments
Hmm…very interesting article regarding Call 30. Something I’d been waiting to hear. O’Mara knew of at least $37- “dollars” in the Defense Fund according to Boy George yet at the Bond hearing he puts it all on G & S.
As I said before, George wasn’t the only potted palm in the courtroom. I called out PaPa Zim too.
Now what else did O’Mara lie about? Let’s see.. Oh the 2nd Passport that G & S failed to turn over to the court. O’Mara said GZ turned it over to O’Mara as soon as they realized his wife had another one but O’Mara FORGOT to hand it over to Judge Lester. He (O’Mara even had the receipt but the receipt isn’t proof because we don’t know what GZ sent him) Whatever..
In any case, Judge Lester was more than willing to overlook O’Mara’s error. He happily accepted O’mara’s lame excuse.
:sigh: The truth is..
I want GZ tried for the crime I feel he committed not crimes that his lawyer is responsible for. His lawyer should have told the truth. Now it seems G & S were following O’Mara’s lead. They trusted him.
IF Judge Lester does recuse himself, I hope GZ fires O’Mara the same day.
Enough with all of these political maneuvers. Get to the facts of the case and get this case to trial.
Geesh…
I think GZ would have done better to ask for donations AFTER his trial. IF he’s acquitted to help get his life back. All GZ did was help a bunch of GREEDY POLITICIANS.
It’s pathetic!
http://www.local10.com/-/1717430/15561106/-/8aqxrv/-/index.html
Call 30
Snoop or anyone,
I have a question and I hope it’s a stupid one..Is GZ refering to Our JB? LOL..cuz that would be highly controversial..to say the least. Although that might get the support of the Hispanic community. And who’s SH? Any ideas Snoop?
I don’t like the direction this case is heading. It’s too convoluted politically. Had SPD gotten this case to a Grand Jury at the onset, GZ wouldn’t have made national news. Grr..its a damn shame.
JB, SH=Sean Hannity JB=Jose Baez. Btw have you seen the latest from Linda Paris ?
Xena,
The cop take down?
I was talking to my husband about that and he can see why Trayvon was almost
I would say wailing before being shot.That is exactly what George would have done,
either back or from front.
Yeah! Some say he’s ( george) is do sweet he’s worrying about her safety.
BS! I believe he’s MORE worried about what she will say.
Like you said they belong in the same pen.
In call #8, is he talking to his sister. She say’s you know me I’ll make it rain?
OhReally!!
With Wi-Fi, IP addresses track back to the Wi-Fi account holder rather than the individual computer.
Regarding O’Mara’s knowledge of the funds at the bond hearing. O’Mara knows judicial procedure. The State raised the argument that GZ had money, but they had not documented it in a pleading and provided evidence, so Judge Lester was then obligated to believe testimony of GZ’s family. A judge cannot hear argument that is not in pleadings, neither grant relief not requested in pleadings. So O’Mara knowing this, went ahead taking his chances that the State would not come back with supporting evidence, or if it did, that he would be able to get another bond for GZ.
Re: Drugs. In one of the 6 calls first released, GZ told Shellie that the jail doctor would not give him his anti-depressant. This might be something prescribed to GZ after he killed TM.
Re: The newly released phone calls. Forgive me for sounding prejudicial, but GZ’s dad sounds like he’s drunk.
JB,
I know they had talked about getting Jose in the beginning of this . George and Shelle laugh and say no way on the phone, but this isn’t new news as they tried to make it on In Session.
They have to think about this! In Casey’s case, Jose kept it close to the vest and there was hardly anything said by Casey. NOT like in this one. O’mara has screwed up, Zimmerman has screwed up, there’s a lot of talking and YES you would think in the first bond hearing he would have shut up, but NO, like everything else, he’s messed up.
FIRST, he sounds so sorry for himself, it’s pathetic! He has been the cause of the Martins never seeing their son again, he put his own self in the position and seems to dig deeper.
There will be witnesses in this case. MANY!
I was thinking they said there was bruises on one of Trayvon’s knuckles on ONE hand, IF SO, it was probably caused by the cop take down that Xena was talking about.You think?
lex –
Thanks for the enlightment! I knew JB agreed with GZ and thought this was SYG but I didn’t know he was willing to take the case. hmm.. The first thing JB would have advised GZ — STAY OFF OF THE PHONE!
lol..Remember Casey had no correspondence with anyone, except him. Instead GZ gets himself involved with O’Mara who loves pandering to the public. I always thought Baez did a great job with the media too. He never in anyway said that Casey was guilty. He would just say that Casey had a story to tell and she’s waiting for a day in court.
lex -
That poor girl Linda Paris is so far behind the times. LOL “Just surfaced!!” OMG! Those pictures have been OUT since 2008 or 2009. Why does crime child think so many were looking into a prostitution ring and internet porn sites for Casey. Many people on this blog thought Casey was a “working girl” which is why we did so much research into that.
I can’t believe how desperate some people are to get comments. Pandering because she nothing else to say. So Sad. So Desperate.
lex -
As a matter of fact, check out one of my earliest articles. There’s a picture of Casey in that same dress and yes, I have the pornographic ones too. These are NOT new. They surfaced long before LP opened her blog. Obviously..She’s got some catching up to do. LOL
http://thejbmission.com/2010/04/05/parody-of-tape-conversation-between-cindy-casey-anthony/
JB. Thing is that “pic” is not Casey.I have a link to the complete photo shoot.And yes I tracked it down at least two years ago.
Xena -
In regards to the police tactic video that you posted, I just had another thought. Remember GZ went on and deliberately stated to LE that AFTER he shot TM, he sat on TM’s back and straddled him AND held his wrists to the ground?
Do you think GZ was trying to set up an answer in case the ME found some kind of bruising around TM’s lower arms and wrists?
I’ll have to research this further but if TM’s blood stopped flowing thru his veins once his heart stopped, the body might not show bruising. The more I think about your takedown tactic angle, the more I believe it’s true.
Also the witness report of “yelping” might be TM having his wrist bent behind his back.
Hmm.. good sleuthing Xena!
Lolypop –
We all have a right to our own opinion. I just happen to disagree with Baez in this case. With that said, I still want GZ to have a fair trial. You know that’s what I’m about..lol
Yes, you’re right but there were so many rumors going on at the time, I just swept it under rug. IIRC at the time I was trying very hard to keep the discussion on the crime itself and not the media hype.
lol..Oh well..So this is real. My hero JB wants to help GZ. c’est la vie.. I still hold the utmost respect for Jose. Just like all of my comrades in the Anthony *case who sided with GZ, I hold no resentment against them.
This is America. Freedom of speech and all that other good stuff.
ps: I just added “case”.. It was a typo.
Okay?
lex –
Good for you lex! Make sure you keep those pictures in a safe place because with photo shop, people can do anything to make it look like her. I’d also like to ask them what does pics of KC have to do with Jose and KC having a relationship? LOL Duh?
It just proves that the Casey Haters have nothing else to focus on. And since Jose Baez’s book was #9 on the Best Seller list as of yesterday, they want to malign his name too.
Desperate people do desperate things.
Hello everyone.
In one of GZ’s versions, he says that he got on TM’s back, held his hands out to each side because when he was being hit he thought that TM might have something in his hands.
In yet another version, he says that TM continued to struggle and he asked the resident with the flashlight to help him.
Neither version works since TM was found with his hands underneath him. Nevertheles …..
The ME’s report says that the bullet went through the left ventricle and lung. Now, it’s been many moons since I had biology class so I had to look up the work of the left ventricle in a simple form. The left ventricle is what pumps oxyginated blood to the rest of the body. So JP, you’re on to things about the lack of bruising. At the point of impact, TM’s body no longer received any flow of blood.
According to a heart specialist on one of those hospital sites for cardiac health, when the left ventricle stops working, there can be brain activity for 3 or 4 minutes but the patient is unconscience. Without oxyginated blood to the brain, there is no chance of recovery.
There’s a good chance also that with a direct shot into the left ventricle and lung, that TM could not speak. Sure hope that this comes up at trial, if there is a trial. GZ might just cop a plea.
About Florida’s Stand Your Ground. Don’t know if I shared this previously, but claiming that as an affirmative defense requires an immunity hearing. That hearing makes it mandatory that the defendent testifies. There is no jury for that hearing. The presiding judge decides. If immunity is granted, the charges are dismissed. If immunity is denied, the case proceeds to trial. This is the stage where the State may offer a plea.
The first Motion for Immunity that came before the Florida Appellate Court was in 2005. It had been denied by the circuit court. The Appellate Court relied on a decision out of Colorado to determine the requirements to grant or deny an immunity petition.
There are 2 pts to SYG law. The first applies to parties being in home or vehicle and is an extension of the Castle Doctrine. Both parties knowing each other plays a very significant role in how the courts decide.
The second part applies to parties who are in an area where both can lawfully be. The defendant is REQUIRED to do everything possible to leave before using self-defense. The defendant cannot be responsible for creating conditions intended to make physical contact with another. The immunity order in the case of Jorge Saaverda spells it out. Saaverda was granted immunity because he tried avoiding confrontation by someone he knew, who had also threatened him.
The only way any defense attorney can help GZ is if his story changes to where he never left his truck to follow TM. Based on GZ’s words (lying or not), GZ was very clear that he made no effort to get away. Point? When he said TM approached him, he did not turn around and walk away or run. Rather, he started going in his pockets for his cell phone. This is why O’Mara tried using a bond hearing as an immunity trial by presenting testimony of a paramedic. He wants the wounds to provide evidence that GZ had the right to defend himself, when the law says that if not but for the fact that GZ got out of his truck and followed TM, they would not have come into physical contact.
Hi Xena,
Excellent comments. That’s exactly what I thought..no blood pumping, no bruising.
I also questioned GZ’s claim that TM spoke after he was shot. I’m sure the State experts will be fully prepared to debunk each and every one of GZ’s statements to LE. Forensically, it is near impossible for TM to have uttered a word after having his lung and left ventricle impaled by a bullet much less be able to move a muscle to continue to fight although I read one witness report stating she saw TM’s leg move while GZ was sitting on his back after the shooting.
Seeing a reflexive action such as a muscle twitch or spasm postmortem is not unusual. Not to be morbid but perhaps what GZ heard was the gurgling or death rattle that happens after the loss of the cough reflex or inability to swallow. I believe its safe to say TM’s body was struggling to clear his blood filled lung and not speaking the words “You got me” or whatever he thinks he heard. GZ is so theatrical, isn’t he? Just like in the movies.
Yes, he should cop a plea. One thing I can say about Casey Anthony. Yes she may have lied, but she only gave ONE statement. O’Mara or whoever winds up representing George will certainly have his work cut out for him. Just saying…
Xena,
From what I read from the SYG law, I agree with you that once he got out of his vehicle he waived his right under SYG. Nor did GZ make an effort to walk away from his suspicious guy. As a matter of fact, TM ran away from GZ and this is when GZ admits he was trying to follow TM.
So I think TM unknowingly did the right thing by running away. JMO.
Last night I mentioned in one of GZ’s interviews with Serino, he elaborated on his story about
GZ**TM circling his truck. That’s where I got that information, Serino’s interview. Anyway, Serino out right asked GZ, how near was TM to his truck when he supposedly did this. GZ said, TM was one car length away.According to SYG Law, do you think if GZ would have shot TM at this juncture, GZ would have been given immunity? The reason I’m asking is I wonder if GZ was making up things to tell LE, so he could get immunity like throwing spaghetti on the wall to see what sticks. Just a thought..
ooops..another typo. I’m going to scratch out **GZ and change it to TM. (wink)
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/State%27s%20Response%20to%20Defendant%27s%20Verified%20Motion%20to%20Disqualify%20Trial%20Judge%20-%207%2017%2012.pdf
State’s Response to Defendant’s Verified Motion To Disqualify Trial Judge
JB,
I know what you mean.
I think someone from the media, it was very short, but Jose said he had a
lot he was doing right now. Then didn’t hear anymore about it until today.
I know, I agree! I like the way Jose works and Ithink there’s been too much out there by Zimmerman and whoever is talking about it that Jose wouldn’t want it.
I think that the Zimmermans have muddied the water too much and also O’Mara.
The clip that they played on In Session was George and Shellie, there’s another one where he’s
talking with someone he calls Scott and “Bro”. It’s probably that Taafe idiot friend of his.
I guess if it’s going to take a year all kind of stuff will come out.
OH, I so agree with you and Xena about the cop take down and as far as Trayvon saying that wasn’t his son, doesn’t mean anything. The fact that Zimmerman’s Dad is full of it!!
OH< ABSOLUTELY that's George!!!! My Son!!!
He's heard him yell out like that before !! Oh REALLY
Was his Dad a cop?
State’s Response to Defendant’s Verified Motion To Disqualify Trial Judge
Page 7
Bernie de la Riondio gives us a glimpse at the State’s case
Snipped:
BAM!
Good one JB,
I was wondering how many times he could ask for a different judge.
I like your BAM!! : )
That’s it!!
Judge Lester will be the judge. I thought him giving Zimmerman any bail at all was MORE than fair
Judge Young said he was lucky to get that. That’s what we thought.
On the police take down between 50 and 60 seconds the guy is moving his leg, could that be
what the witness was talking about?
When you listen to that cry again, it hurts even worse knowing the sheer pain Trayvon was in.
I have one more question that I haven’t seen anywhere. GZ’s gun had hollow point bullets in it. That is why they said the entrance wound was small but the exit wound was big (because they expand) Now I live in Fl & it is my understanding that these bullets are illegal to have if you are NOT law enforcement. So what was GZ doing with these bullets in his gun? He’s not a cop & should not have had access to that type of fire power to begin with. Did he get them from his roommate?
Re: “Last night I mentioned in one of GZ’s interviews with Serino, he elaborated on his story about GZ **TM circling his truck. That’s where I got that information, Serino’s interview. Anyway, Serino out right asked GZ, how near was TM to his truck when he supposedly did this. GZ said, TM was one car length away.
According to SYG Law, do you think if GZ would have shot TM at this juncture, GZ would have been given immunity? The reason I’m asking is I wonder if GZ was making up things to tell LE, so he could get immunity like throwing spaghetti on the wall to see what sticks. Just a thought..”
YES! You see, we have to think like GZ for a moment in terms of his profiling TM as a criminal or drug addict. GZ wanted to get TM’s attention. He turned on his highbeams to get TM’s attention. (This is on the vid of the community center.) He assumed that TM would come up to the vehicle. That is generally how drug dealers get the attention of people walking alone at night who they think are “on drugs of something.” But TM ran.
Remember, GZ has impulse control problems, so he didn’t think before getting out of his truck and running after TM.
Now, GZ would have changed his story had he not been on the phone with 911.
Jose Baez is very smart. There aren’t too many lawyers who want to defend the kid of a judge, even a magistrate judge from another state. It’s not so much of a win/lose of the case as it is the judge telling the lawyer how to defend. (Can we see a glimpse of this with O’Mara calling Robert Zimmerman Sr. to the stand?) Some of the calls have Robert saying that he met with O’Mara. One way I can tell that Robert Z is pulling the strings is because O’Mara has taken the fatherly type of defense for GZ’s lies and injuries just like a nurturing parent.
Hollow point bullets? They are illegal to purchase in Illinois too, but I bought some at a flea market in Michigan — no questions asked. I’ve since gotten rid of pistol and bullets — dogs are better. They hear what we can’t and make real good buddies too.
I have been just about glazed over trying to listen to all of the GZ jail phone calls with head phones.At the same time I was channel surfing my muted TV & saw that George Zimmerman was going to be on the Sean Hannity show tonight on FOX NEWS,an EXCLUSIVE interview,with his attorney of course.Sorry if this is old news,but I just saw it.
Marilyn C., I just saw a headline about that. What on earth is O’Mara thinking? Defense lawyers do not have their clients make statements in the media!!!
Hi Marilyn,
What!!?? It’s not old news to me..lol I’m always a day behind..hehehe..So I always appreciate updates, Thank You very much.
George on Hannity again? LOL Wow, I think O’Mara has lost his mind. He’s always begging for $$$$..They are sooo greedy. I would think O’Mara would know that “perceived” public opinion
with*WILL have no bearing in the “verdict”. See Anthony case.I hope the viewers of Hannity’s show will have enough common sense to keep their hard earned money in their pockets. George Zimmerman is the WRONG CAUSE.
OMG..There are REAL cases of injustice, this isn’t one of them.
Marilyn,
I wanted to add… There are 116 calls. Each one of those phone calls are approx. 15mins long.
I’ll do the math. 15 x 116 = 1740 minutes, 1740 / 60 = 29 hours! Not to mention, I like to take notes. So it’s not likely I’ll get thru them all anytime soon. LOL Just saying..
Hi Xena,
It is so disturbing to me that GZ turned the high beams on TM. I want to cry. Honestly I didn’t know about “high beams” and what they imply. If its true, as you posted that this is something that drug dealers do to get customers, I have to think that TM being a city kid knew this.
Imagine the fear he felt thinking the person who was following him was a drug dealer. Sure TM smoked pot as teenagers sometimes do but he certainly wasn’t interested in crack cocaine or did he want to become affiliated with a drug dealer.
This certainly heightened his fear. What if this guy in the truck thought he (TM) was impeding on his turf? GZ does not look like an authority figure. If the guy in the truck is a drug dealer, I’m sure TM thought he was dangerous yet at the same time the 17yo kid didn’t want to LOOK SCARED so he man’s up and stares the guy down.
TM was totally confused and had no idea who or what GEORGE ZIMMERMAN was. If it’s true TM approached G’s vehicle and then ran just proves he was in fear of his life.
After he ran for cover in the walk-thru he hid to see if the guy would continue to hunt him down. Imagine how confused TM was when he sees him? OMG…He’s probably thinking..”oh shit, who is this guy?” So TM decides to ask the person, “why are you following me?”
Of course GZ’s only agenda is to NOT LET HIM GET AWAY. What potential burglar would stop to ask this question? A person who is of sound mind would put 2 and 2 together and think “oh he thinks I’m the bad guy, let me tell him who I am”
I’m sorry for getting off track in my above paragraph.. It’s just so inane and ridiculous that someone died that night.. Sorry.
Xena,
Is it in the docs somewhere that GZ turned on his high beams? I’d like to post the link if you have it.
Lisa,
Do you know where you read that GZ used hollow point bullets?
TIA
JP, I have to find the vid of the community center. It’s on Youtube. You can see a car approaching, then the headlights indicate it’s making a u-turn, then you see the headlights switched to high beam. The prosecutor entered it in discovery along with other vids of the community center. Remember in GZ’s re-enactment that he said he pulled up where a truck was parked then, and it was in front of the door of the community center? Well, no headlights are in the vid of the door.
I know, this is a hard case because Trayvon is not around to tell his side of the story. It pulls at the heart thinking about what Trayvon could have possibily thought. SA Corey said that the evidence was like connecting the dots. I can see why.
I can see it too Xena!
He should have been charged with first degree. I don’t care, just hope he’s off of
the streets for the rest of his life in prison.
I think I read about the hollow points on this site. Maybe in the autopsy report. ICR
With the following TM, he also may have thought GZ was a gay man trying to pick him up or proposition him so he ran to get away.
Listened to “Zimmerman SPD interview with Serino February 27″
Serino called to set up another appointment with Zimmerman that afternoon. He initially says he has a class that night. — Grrr… He took someone’s life and now he’s afraid to miss a class? What a load of crap.
Lisa – I found the statement I was looking for. Yes, it’s documented. GZ shot TM with a hollow point bullet. Just wanted to be sure, thanks for this information. Now I’d like to know why SPD didn’t arrest him for using illegal ammunition.
http://www.gzlegalcase.com/index.php?start=4
Sorry Lisa, I forgot to add the link.
lol
Oh yesss Xena!
I know now. Thanks for reminding me. Has anyone seen a video on YouTube from the clubhouse? This guy claims that GZ had an accomplice. Hmm.. I don’t know but I know I’ve read somewhere that SZ moved GZ’s truck at some point. Just food for thought at this point.
I don’t suppose BDLR has deposed SZ yet.
Question; DidHannity just say that George will send a message to the Martin family?
Didn’t Judge Lester order George NOT to speak to the Martins?
JB,
I think he’s doing a lot that the Judge told him not to do.
George will do what George wants to do.
Did you know that he didn’t know that Trayvon was dead until an hour after
getting to the police station.
When the ER got there they checked Trayvon first and there was no pulse?
Trayvon was trying to intimidate GEORGE, is George crazy?
George doesn’t know whether he was running or not?
He is lying all through this and as usual changing his stories.
He didn’t go back to his truck!!!!!
Sorry I didn’t get back sooner. We had a storm and electricity was off for a moment, but everything reset in time for me to see GZ on Hannity. Regardless of everything else he said, something really impacted me.
I think I shared earlier that I am spiritual, but not religious. When GZ said he wouldn’t change what he did because he believed it was God’s plan, I was floored but cheered.
Dear George Michael Zimmerman,
Blame crime in the area. Blame Trayvon Martin. Blame it on the rain. But when you blame your killing of Trayvon Martin on God, you are picking a fight you cannot win. Thank you for making God a party in this. Be ye not deceived. God is not to be mocked. What one sows, the same shall he reap. You are going to live a miseable life whether in or out of jail.
Xena,
I can tell you I was floored myself.
If it was God’s plan why didn’t he say me apologize??
No way, Not the great George Zimmerman.
It was God’s plan, let him apologize.
Yep, no regrets, God’s Plan. What an idiot. I thought that I had heard it all.
I was wrong! Just think he wants us to believe he was working for God.
Those kind of people are the scariest.
ALSO he said he carried a gun all of the time, except at work.
I thought they were saying Night Watchmen don’t carry guns.
PLUS that even makes it more real that what you said about the cop take down
is IMO more possible than any other explaination.
OMG…
Listen to this garbage.. I have to say SH is asking the right questions.
I don’t think I can listen to this any longer. GEORGE ZIMMERMAN is a SELF SERVING PIG!!
I could tell by his very first statement.. paraphrasing: I was heading to the grocery store, on my usual Sunday night…AFTER MENTORING THE CHILDREN…
pfft…GMAB
He says he didn’t saying “effing coons” he says it was “effing punks” when anyone listening to the audio knows it was at best “effing GOONS”
Ohh..Then he says..TM wasn’t running like he was afraid, he was skipping. And he wasn’t running either…. And he wasn’t following TM .. he says, “I WAS JUST GOING IN THE SAME DIRECTION”
hahahaha…
He says he didn’t want to say his address out loud because he didn’t want the kid to hear him.
GMAB
Who’s going to hear you in the rain, in the middle of the courtyard, while you’re talking into a cell phone?
What I’d like to know.. How come GZ can answer all of these questions regarding what he was doing during the 911 call but couldn’t answer any of the questions Serino asked him on the same night it happened? When it should be fresh in his memory?
Honestly, O’Mara looks embarrassed to be sitting next to him.
He says he was punched in the head a dozen times yet his assailant only has a scratch on his pinky finger. People who get punched in the head a dozen times, in most cases, minimally have a concussion and at least a cut on the eyebrow which is the usual sign of any fight. He has none of that…just a fractured nose and a boo-boo on the back of his head ..and that didn’t need stitches.
GZ is such a liar!!! There’s something seriously wrong with him. I’m sure.
Xena said:
Can I sign this letter too? Amen. He will not win. He is sick.
Well guys, I’ve got to get some sleep. I have an 11am meeting.
Have a good night.
JB, may you have a peaceful sleep. Yes, sign that letter.
I’m still reeling here and looking at more vids. Lolypop, the man has no sense of repentance.
Did anyone get the impression that O’Mara would not let GZ respond to questions about his lies to the court about the money because he expects charges to be filed against GZ?
Well, July 31st, Shellie has arraignment and at this point, it would make me no difference if her sentencing was used to lead GZ into foregoing an immunity hearing and copping a plea for manslaughter. With her in jail, GZ will have lost his enabler.
I can’t see his donors increasing, so the money should be dried up by September. I seriously doubt that O’Mara will pay the fund administrator, website server, webmaster, security for GZ, and deposition costs out of his own pocket. By late September or October, we should see both GZ and Shellie sentenced.
Xena sign me too.
He just get’s more ridiculous.
It wasn’t even his gun or Trayvon’s gun, it was THE gun. WTH???
Did they check for fingerprints??
99% of Americans thought it was crazy the pilots flew into the buildings
for their God.
What will they think about this? OH, It’s not the same???
OH, yes it is. He said it.
He said it was God’s plan and he wouldn’t question it.
That’s just as scary!!
lolypop, GZ has some serious mental dysfunctions.
The fingerprint results returned GZ’s and at least two unidentified persons, but not TM’s. The same goes for the holster. Rather than test to see if the fingerprints matched up to Shellie or anyone else who might have access to that gun, the Sanford Police Dept. did nothing.
GZ’s only evidence of self-defense is his injuries, and even that is questioned based on the vid for when he arrived at the police station within an hour of killing TM. The prosecution will use GZ’s words against him. They will use forensics, and they will use the crime scene. And more importantly, they will use that if not but for the fact that GZ got out of his vehicle and followed TM, that the two would have not come into physical contact.
Thank-you JB it was driving me crazy that I could not remember where I read about the hollow point bullets.
In the video GZ looks like a drugged, painted up maniquien(sp) with a stick up his A**. GAG
Sorry but he looks as stupid as a box of rocks. How could they (dad, lawyer, dumbass) possibly think that this is going to help his case. I think they are doing this to get a change of venue & a different judge. dumb move….. GOD’s plan? Yeah right….
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1743376051001/trayvon-martins-parents-respond-to-george-zimmerman/
George Zimmerman contacted Barbara Walters and wanted to give an interview in exchange for a month’s hotel expense for him and Shellie. Walters said that GZ seems to be strapped for money. IMHO, he is also finding it difficult for anyone to rent to him and living in a hotel in Seminole County is his only alternative.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/zimmerman-calls-view-barbara-walters-walks-interview-meeting-article-1.1117912?localLinksEnabled=false
http://thejbmission.com/2012/07/19/zimmerman-in-need-of-a-med-adjustment-asap/
New article alert. Open discussion regarding Hannity & GZ’s idiotic appearance.
Good evening everyone,
Great comments!
Loly, good analogy about what God wants.. I wonder what God Zimmerman talks to because my God never instructs anyone to kill. As a matter of fact, in my Catholic religion, although I don’t agree, Catholics are against the death penalty.
Good Lisa, I’m glad I could help. Nope you’re not crazy at all & I totally agree with you. GZ looked like an idiot. I really wonder if this man is bonkers and people are afraid to tell him. O’Mara looked mortified like thinking.. “OMG..am I now destroying my career??!!” lol..poor guy.
Thanks Snoop for the link. I knew the Martins would have something to say about that “God” comment. Geesh..
Xena, in my new article I mentioned Barbara Walters too. We must be on the same page.
Excellent point ..You’re right, I bet G & S are having a hard time paying living expenses.
You’d think he keep his butt off of television for awhile and let the media heat cool off.
Geesh…He’s such an idiot.