We Are the People!
As most of you know I encountered a very unusual situation a week or so ago at a local banking establishment. It started off in what I thought was a nightmare a week before and ended in a horrifying real ordeal a week later; one where my privilege to drive was confiscated. This is never fun especially if you have more important things to do such as a job or a doctor’s appointment.
It was sudden and without warning. I was innocent of any wrongdoing that day. I say that because I’m not sure if I’m always behaving inside the constraints of the law. The reason being, I don’t know my rights well enough so maybe I am a criminal and don’t know it or maybe I encounter criminals everyday and don’t know it.
While searching for laws that I thought would protect me from detainment by non-law enforcement personnel, I didn’t find very much on the World Wide Web.
I discovered it is allowable if it’s within the investigation of a suspected crime, such as shoplifting yet I found little to nothing on the web addressing my situation which was as the bank claimed, within the investigation of possible identity theft.
Am I this special? Has this NEVER happened before? Or is this society’s little secret and it happens all the time but We The People aren’t aware of Constitution right violations because the media is much too busy promoting lies and propaganda to sell advertisements like they did for 3 years in the Casey Anthony murder trial or the present day daily rhetoric on the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin shooting to pay attention and report small incidental Constitutional Right violations?
I have my reading preferences however again I’m in the minority.
Is Detaining Citizens Legal?
It dawned on me, that not knowing your rights can be dangerous to you or any innocent bystanders in certain situations, depending on how well you trust the establishment or the people hired to work there.
A person in a bank, being detained without explanation could act out in an illegal manner but most wouldn’t dare. In a bank with an armed security guard, one is likely to go along with the program and will obey the janitor if he asked to see your identification. No one wants to rock the boat in the bank much like the airport.
Ironically, I proudly carry a Constitutional Rights booklet inside of my purse at all times yet I’m now aware of my inability to apply my Constitutional Rights in my everyday life.
I found myself lost for words and completely incapable of rendering a clear thought. I wasn’t sure if I was being legally detained but I was sure I wasn’t legally able to drive away. It was quite the conundrum.
Our Privilege to Drive
By the way, driving a vehicle is not a Constitutional Right. It’s a privilege. Most of us get into our vehicles hoping we are driving safely. We are obeying all traffic signs and stopping at all of the red lights. We stop at every stop sign for at least 3 seconds and we don’t gun the car when nearing a yellow light.
It’s fairly easy so I’m confident that I’m a good driver, however I lose all confidence in a simple traffic stop. My last traffic stop was over 10 years ago which turned out to be more of an “identity investigation” than one with probable cause because I drove away unscathed with a sick feeling in my stomach.
As laws change on the daily basis since 911, I think we all could use a seminar or two enlightening us on how to live in our new America and what “can we do to live safely in 2012″
I know I can’t get us all update on ALL of the latest laws of the land in one article so I’ll start out with KNOWING YOUR RIGHTS IN A TRAFFIC STOP or other personal encounters with law enforcement. I found the article below: http://www.policewatch.us to be very helpful, straight forward and well written.
Knowledge is what keeps us all safe. Knowledge is what keeps our Constitutional Rights alive and well, intact and happy.
We The People,
Need to know!
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*Please read carefully. http://policewatch.us/system/page.php?id=19
If The Police Stop You What RIGHTS Do You Have?
To stop you the police officer must have specific reasons to suspect your involvement in a specific crime and should be able to tell you the reason. Most times you might be getting pulled over for a traffic violation such as speeding or a tail light is out.
Although the stop may seem wrong or unfair, the police believe they have a reason to stop you. Sometimes they just want to know if you are a witness to a crime or if you know about something suspicious. Sometimes they stop you because some other person reported something suspicious about you or someone who looks like you. So just play it cool, ride it out and see what happens.
Rule #1 – Treat the COP like you would want to be treated.
When stopped or you encounter a police officer stay calm, be polite and civil.
Rule #2 – Keep your mouth shut!
Even if you’re not under arrest you NEVER have to answer ANY questions, “except if the police officer ask for your name, date of birth and address.” It’s generally a good idea to say the same address that’s on your I.D.
Staying silent will not hurt you. Do not let the police persuade you to talk.
The officer may not like this and may challenge you with words like, “If you have nothing to hide, why won’t you speak to me?” Just like the first question, you do not have to answer this one either. They may tell you that staying quiet will make things worse for you or that they’ll go easy on you if you talk but this is not true.
You have every right to refuse to speak with the police. And you shouldn’t speak to them, unless you have first consulted with a lawyer who has advised you differently and who is present when you speak with the police officer.
The Fourth Amendment protects you against unreasonable searches and seizures. If the police want to search your house without your consent, they need a warrant. Warrants may only be issued upon a showing of probable cause, supported by an affidavit.
The Fifth Amendment protects you against giving evidence against yourself, i.e., your right to remain silent. Just as you cannot be compelled to testify against yourself in a criminal trial, neither can you be compelled to answer a police officers questions.
Anything you say can and WILL be used against you !
So keep your mouth shut and say nothing!
Some cops are worse than others and a lot of them may treat you differently if they think you know your rights. The police depend on fear and intimidation to get what they want.
If you run into a really bad cop, talking back to him and standing up for your rights might get you beaten up or killed, so be careful about the realistic limits of “the law” and of your rights as an American. Cops are perhaps the most dangerous members of our society, so be careful when you talk to them.
ALSO NEVER SIGN ANYTHING !!!
Never sign anything a police officer or a federal agent might give you, other than a traffic warning or traffic citation.
Anything You Say Can And Will Be Used Against You!
On traffic stops the police usually will ask you “personal” questions such as, where are you going, where have you been, who did you see, how long did you visit, ect. At that point it’s the perfect time to exercise your RIGHTS by asking the officer, “AM I FREE TO GO?”
The Federal Supreme Court has ruled that as long as the police do not force an individual to do something, the individual is acting voluntarily, even if a normal person would feel very intimidated and would not reasonably feel they could say no. See (Florida v. Bostick, 1991) If you do what a policeman tells you to do before you are arrested, you are ‘voluntarily’ complying with their ‘requests’.
There is NO legal requirement that citizens provide information about their comings and goings to police officers! Another words it’s none of the police officers damn business! There is NO law that says you must tell a police officer where you are going or where you have been.
Keep your mouth shut and say nothing!
Remember there is no legal requirement that citizens provide information about their comings and goings to police officers!
There’s only three things you need to tell a cop:
1. Your name
2. Your date of Birth
3. Your address
After that keep your mouth shut!
If they ask you anything else, exercise your RIGHTS by asking,
“AM I FREE TO GO?”
Talking to the police is your decision, not their right! The police must respect your decision on this matter and are forbidden by law to coerce you. Again silence is golden if you even suspect there is the possibility you are a suspect. Get a lawyer and keep quiet.
An “honest cop” will understand and respect your rights. Be polite, civil, and silent! Bad cops will use all sorts of tricks so it is best to have a lawyer.
Remember when confronted by the authorities there is NO law requiring you to talk to them. Even the simplest questions asked by a police officer may be loaded!
On the down side you have no constitutional right to a have a friendly or courteous police officer on the day of your traffic stop. Do not demand to know the reason for the traffic stop. Remain calm, polite and respectful at all times even if you have to fake it! You should immediately produce your license, vehicle registration and auto insurance upon request. Plan ahead by storing these items in an easily accessible place so you are not fumbling around trying to find them in front of the police officer.
A good time to ask “AM I FREE TO GO,” is after the cop has given you a “warning” or a “ticket” and you have signed it. Once you have signed that ticket the traffic stop is legally over with, so says the Supreme Court. Now if you want to stand around and shoot the breeze with the officer or answer his questions, that is up to you. Just remember you don’t have to! After you sign the ticket ask,
“AM I FREE TO GO? “
Be as nice as possible, but stand firm on your rights!
Read Fourth & Fifth Amendments
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS CANNOT BE SUSPENDED — EVEN DURING A STATE OF EMERGENCY OR WARTIME !
Car Searches And Body Searches
Remember they wouldn’t ask you if they didn’t need your permission!
A police officers swore an oath to uphold the Constitution, not to violate your rights against unreasonable search and seizure. If a cop ask or tries to search you, your home or your car say repeatedly,
“I DON’T CONSENT TO THIS SEARCH !”
“The right to be free from unreasonable searches is one of our most precious First Liberties”
You DON’T have to give consent to a law enforcement officer to search your vehicle or home. While you DON’T have to consent, bear in mind that the expectation of privacy in a car is less than the expectation of privacy in your home. Based in part on the lessened expectation of privacy in a car, law enforcement officers are permitted to conduct a warrant less search of a car if the officer has probable cause. “In some cases the police officer will lie and make up a probable cause.”
Just for being stopped for a traffic violation should not allow the officer to search your car; however, if the officer saw you throw an empty beer can out the window, that may be sufficient probable cause to search your car. If the officer smells marijuana as he approaches the car, he then may have suspicion to search. “Alot of times the officer usually will lie and say that he smells a “suspicious” smell. Guess what, the officer now has probable cause at which point he may now search your car.
Let us not forget that our Government has said that, “We the People” have very few rights and very few rights to privacy in a car on a public road, versus being in our home.
If the Police Come to Your Home-You Don’t Have to Open the Door!
If the police knock and ask to enter your home, you DON’T have to open the door unless they have a warrant signed by a judge. Such an invitation not only gives the police officer the opportunity to look around for clues to your lifestyle, friends, reading material, etc; but also tends to prolong the conversation.
There is no law that says you have to open your door to a police officer. Don’t open your door with the chain-lock on either, the police can shove their way in. Police are known to kick in doors. Simply shout “I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY!”
* However, in some emergency situations (like when a person is screaming for help inside, or when the police are chasing someone) officers are allowed to enter and search your home without a warrant. Ask to see the search warrant and make sure it is signed, has the correct date, correct address, and apartment number, ect.
Remember when confronted by the authorities there is NO law requiring you to talk to them. Even the simplest questions asked by a police officer may be loaded!
NEVER agree to go to the police station for questioning. Simply say, “I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.”
If The Police Stop You On The Sidewalk…
You are perfectly within your rights to say to the officer who asks to speak with you, “Officer, I do not want speak with you. Good-bye.” At this point you should be free to leave the officer’s presence. The officer may not like this and may challenge you with words like, “If you have nothing to hide, why won’t you speak to me?” Just like the first question, you do not have to answer this question either.
The next step the officer might take is to ask for identification. If you have Identification on you, tell the officer where it is and ask permission to reach for it.
As bad cops are control freaks and will use even an accidental bumping up against you as an excuse to charge you with assault on a police officer and resisting arrest, as well as justification for the use of force. Be careful and keep your hands in view at all times, telling the cop you are going to reach into your pockets for your license, as you might risk getting shot. Avoid any sudden moves with your hands for the same reason and remain calm, as being agitated will cause some cops to arrest you for interfering or worse.
So keep your mouth shut and say nothing!
There is no legal requirement that citizens provide information about their comings and goings to police officers! Another words it’s none of the police officers business! There is no law that says you must tell a police officer where you are going or where you have been.
Remember when confronted by the authorities there is NO law requiring you to talk to them. Even the simplest questions asked by a police officer may be loaded! NEVER agree to go to the police station for questioning. Simply say, “I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.”
Probable Cause…
A police officer has no right to detain you unless there exists reasonable suspicion that you committed a crime or traffic violation. However, a police officer is always allowed to initiate a voluntary conversation with you.
Sometimes it is unclear whether or not a person is detained. If you are in doubt, you should ask the police officer if you are in “free to leave.” Now if the police officer doesn’t have “probable cause”, and you refuse him to search your car, he might bring in a drug dog. At this point since the officer has no probable cause, he may be illegally detaining you. Tell the officer that you have an appointment and you’re running late, and you really don’t have time to stay. Ask him if you’re free to leave so that you’re not late for that appointment.
Under the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, police may engage in “reasonable” searches and seizures.
To prove that a search is “reasonable,” the police must generally show that it is more likely than not that a crime has occurred, and that if a search is conducted it is probable that they will find either stolen goods or evidence of the crime. This is called “probable cause.”
Police may use first-hand information, or tips from an “informant” to justify the need to search your property. If an informant’s information is used, the police must prove that the information is reliable under the circumstances.
Here is a case where the police used a “informant’s information” and the police officers took it upon themselves to kick in a door of a home at 1:30 in the morning without obtaining a search warrant. The aftermath was six police officers firing over 30 shots, and shooting an innocent man 9 times in the back as he laid on the ground.
What You Don’t Know Could Change Your Life Forever…
You might ask don’t police have to tell me that I have the right not to be searched? After all, when a suspect is arrested, he is told before interrogation takes place — that he has the right to remain silent.
The Supreme Court has said NO. According to the Court, the fact that a person might not know he has the right to refuse a search is merely one factor in the determination of whether his consent is voluntary. The Court has reasoned that the police do not need to give warnings — to eliminate any doubt about the suspect’s knowledge of her rights — because warnings might detract from the informality of an otherwise “friendly” interaction between “civilians and the police.” So one might ask himself, is someone that would use something against you, really a “friend?”
The Supreme Court has explained that “the community has a real interest in encouraging consent, for the resulting search may yield necessary evidence for the solution and prosecution of crime….” Furthermore, the Court has concluded, it would be “thoroughly impractical” to require an effective warning about the right to refuse. So another words the Supreme Court says ignorance of your rights is no excuse!
Can We Trust the Cops?
Are police officers allowed to lie to you? Yes the Supreme Court has ruled that police can sink to the lowest of low and be deceitful and lie while questioning you.
Police officers are very good at lying, twisting words and they are trained to be manipulative. Don’t try to out smart the officer, or try being a smooth talker, because you will loose! If you can keep your mouth shut, you might just come out ahead more then you expected
Police officers and other law enforcement agents are very skilled at getting information from people. Many people are afraid that if they refuse to cooperate, it will appear as if they have something to hide. Don’t be fooled. The police are allowed to (and do) LIE to you.
The federal government made a law that says citizens can’t lie to federal agents. They can lie to us, but we can’t lie to them. Makes perfect since don’t it? The best thing you can do is ask for a lawyer and keep your mouth shut. How can you be charged with something if you haven’t said anything?
Although police officers may seem nice and pretend to be on your side, they are likely to be intent on learning about the habits, opinions, and affiliations of people not suspected of wrongdoing, with the end goal of stopping political activity with which the government disagrees. Don’t try to answer the police officers questions, or try to “educate them” about your cause, it can be very dangerous! You can never tell how a seemingly harmless bit of information that you give the police officer might be used and misconstrued to hurt you or someone else. And keep in mind that lying to a federal agent is a crime.
Officers may promise shorter sentences and other deals for statements or confessions. The police cannot legally make deals with people they arrest. The only person who can make a deal that can be enforced is the prosecutor, and he should not talk with you without a lawyer present who represents you.
Teach your children that the cops are not always their friends, and the police officer must contact a parent for permission to ask your child any questions. Remember that the police are trained to put you at ease and to get you to trust them. Their job is to find, arrest and help convict a suspect. And that suspect is you!
Remember that the officer is not trying to be your buddy and become a new friend, they are on a “fishing expedition” to find something against you! They have nothing criminal on you, so there looking for anything while they have you pulled over. Also keep in mind that the entire conversation is being recorded and video taped by the police. Remember to speak clearly and look at the video camera in the police car and say “AM I FREE TO GO?” and/or “I DO NOT CONSENT TO THIS SEARCH!”
Lies That The Police Use To Get You To Talk…
There are many ways the police will try to trick you into talking. Its always safest just to say the Magic Words: I am going to remain silent. I want a lawyer.
The following are common lines the police use when they’re trying to get you to talk:
* “You will have to stay here and answer my questions” or “You’re not leaving until I find out what I want.”
* “I have evidence on you. Tell me what I want to know or else.” (They can fabricate ”fake” evidence to convince you to tell them what they want to know.)
* “You’re not a suspect. Were simply investigating here. Just help us understand what happened and then you can go.”
* “If you don’t answer my questions, I won’t have any choice but to take you to jail.”
* “If you don’t answer these questions, you’ll be charged with resisting arrest.”
You don’t have to answer any of the police officers questions. Simply say: I have nothing to say! I would like to speak to a lawyer. When the police officer says: Why you want a lawyer, you’re not under arrest. Then you would say: AM I FREE TO GO?
DON’T EVER TOUCH A POLICE OFFICER!
Never resist physically! Don’t run from the police or resist, even if you believe you are innocent.
As bad cops are control freaks and will use even an accidental bumping up against you as an excuse to charge you with assault on a police officer and resisting arrest, as well as justification for the use of force. Be careful and keep your hands in view at all times. Tell the police officer when you are going to reach into your pockets for your license, this is to avoid getting shot. Avoid any sudden moves with your hands for the same reason and remain calm, as being agitated will cause some cops to arrest you for interfering or worse.
Police Pat Downs…
The police are allowed to pat down your clothing “for their protection” if you’re being “detained”, to look for weapons and they’re allowed to search you if you’re being arrested. A police officer CAN’T go through your pockets or make you empty your pockets, unless you are under arrest.
Your car can be searched without a warrant so long as the officer has “probable cause”. Which means “probable cause” could be anything their imagination thinks up.
To protect yourself, make it clear that you “don’t consent to a search” and ask why they are searching you. Remember the reason they give you. If they claim to have a warrant, ask to see it. Whether or not they have a warrant, you can protect your CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS by making it clear that you do not consent to a search.
Remember they wouldn’t ask you if they didn’t need your permission!
Safe Things To Do When You Are Frisked By The Police..
The law allows police to frisk you. “Frisk” means the police can place their hands on your body and pat you down on top of your clothes if they have reason to believe you have a weapon. If the police feel something that could be a weapon or that they recognize as drugs, the police can go into your pockets and search. Otherwise a police officer CAN’T go through your pockets or make you empty your pockets, unless you are under arrest. Even if the police are wrong, the law allows this pat down and search if the police have reasons to believe you have drugs or weapons. If the police stop you and want to frisk you follow these rules:
1. Do not resist this pat down.
2. Stay still. Stay calm. Stay patient.
3. Do not touch the officer in any way.
If The Police Arrest You…
If you are arrested, the police can search you and the area close by. If you are in a building, “close by” usually means just the room you are in. If an officer comes to your home with an arrest warrant, this might be one of those times NOT to take the cop up on an offer to go get your shoes. The only reason he would offer is to get a chance to search your house! Remember go outside, and lock the door because you don’t need shoes in jail!
If during a search or an arrest the police take anything from you, they must give you a receipt for every item seized, including your wallet and its contents, clothes, and any packages you were carrying when arrested.
“I DON’T WANT TO TALK UNTIL MY LAWYER IS PRESENT.”
* Even if your rights weren’t read, refuse to talk until your lawyer/public defender arrives.
* Do not talk to the inmates in jail about your case.
* Within a reasonable time after your arrest, or booking, you have the right to make a local phone call: to a lawyer, bail bondsman, a relative or any other person. The police may not listen to the call to the lawyer.
* If you’re on probation or parole, tell your P.O. you’ve been arrested, but nothing else.
* If you are arrested and you cannot afford a lawyer, you have the right to a public defender. If you raise bail this right might be taken from you.
* You may be released with or without bail following the booking. If not, you have the right to go into court and see a judge the next court day after your arrest. Demand this RIGHT! When you appear before the judge, ask for an attorney. An attorney has a better chance at convincing a judge to let you out on a lower bail then you could.
Confessions…
There are measures police cannot take when trying to get a confession. They cannot touch a suspect, threaten him or her, or promise him or her anything.
Officers may promise shorter sentences and other deals for statements or confessions. The police cannot legally make deals with people they arrest. The only person who can make a deal that can be enforced is the prosecutor, and he should not talk with you without a lawyer present who represents you.
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TheJBMission~
Sources:
http://driversed.com/teen-drivers-education/driving-is-a-privilege-not-a-right.aspx
Peace. Rock On, and all that good stuff
But please pass this information on..especially to your young people. It could be a life changer.
I hope everyone is enjoying the weekend! Today is a beautiful day!
Great article, JB….and something every citizen should know!!
Love the pic at the end:)
Thanks JB,
My main lesson I get is KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT! LOL
You would not believe the things I have said, NOT BAD, I just start explainging.
And trying to make them comfortable. If I had cookies I would offer him ALL of them.
2 pulled me and my friend over, I had been to get a sticker, but came home because they were out to lunch. My friend called and asked me if I would take her to the hospital, her brother-in-law was there and he needed his pajamas.
I told her that I needed to get my sticker, but I’m sure we wouldn’t get stopped, since my husband
had just asked me if I had gotten it. (I really don’t know how long it had been since I had gotten my
sticker. )
I told him I didn’t know it was sticker time, like they usually warned us on TV. He said they had
changed it, so I said well I’ll go get it tomorrow.
Sure enough, we get pulled over on the way to the hospital. I started right away, Loly:You will never believe this, I just had gone to get my sticker and they had gone to lunch and my friend needed me to help her and take her brother-in-law some pajamas since he had just been put in the hospital, my friend even offered to show them the pajamas! LMAO
The officer said well ( loly ) why haven’t you gotten it before now. I told him my husband just told me last night about it and I hadn’t heard sticker time, sticker time!
One looked at the other and said you sound just like my wife and laughed. He said well ( loly )
we’re going to just give you a warning ticket this time.
I was so grateful and said thank you, signed the warning ticket (get This ) I was so happy, and I guess I gave it back to kim and he was just as baffled and didn’t realize it himself. : )
TRUE HONEST TO GOD STORY!!
“I hope you all enjoy this story as much as I did. We kind of need a laugh anyway, right?”
LOL, Aww Loly,
That sounds just like you! So didn’t know it was “sticker time”? lol.. I’m going to have to remember that one.
I wish I were more like you. I’ve never had a good experience with any cop. Now my ex-hub, he was a pro. Cops loved this guy. Very friendly, smiley guy.. Here’s one of his stories, he was going 90mph on I-10 and got stopped. We’d only had the car about 3 days. He told the cop he was adjusting the radio and didn’t realize how fast he was going. Oh, I’m so sorry officer..
Now, isn’t a little dangerous to be doing 90mph and simutaneously adjusting a radio? Hmm.. well this cop didn’t seem think so, he let him go.
This is me when I get pulled over. buzz..roll down the window: hand over my DL, registration and ins. card. buzz..roll up the window. Cop taps on the wndow. buzz..roll down the window.
He hands me a ticket, I sign it and he says have a nice a day. buzz…roll up the window and roll up the road. I do this because I found arguing makes it worst.
My sister is the exact opposite. She’s all bubbly. Takes the ticket and says thank you. LOL
Thank you Omar,
and I love that picture too. It looks like it was taken when he was calling out the Laughing man.
JB,
I think that’s what Baez was saying that laughing guy. : )
I gave Baez a standing ovation! lol
It was like “Finally” because you know everyone had seen it all through out the trial.
You couldn’t miss it.
That’s amazing doing 90 on 1-10 and not getting a ticket.
My husband and I were speeding on 1-10, a cop going the other direction,
made a U turn and yep, we got the little piece of paper.
Wasn’t as lucky as your hubby. : )
Don’t you just love it when a cop gives you a tiket and then says “have a nice day”
You want to say oh thank YOU for having it start out that way : )
Talk about an oxymoron! LOL
JB, is that a thank you note from Jose Baez? What a cleaver picture to use. Yes, I think it is when he called out the laughing man. Thanks for sharing. I just checked out Ashton’s facebook page and he’s still using “prosecutor of Casey Anthony” as part of his campaign line. How many people do you know that have the guts to brag about a loss. He is using hate as his campaign fuel.
Thanks for the article. It is necessary to learn and be reminded of our rights because even though we think we know them we don’t always remember them when scared. I know someone that voluntarily went in for questioning and when he realized where the officer was headed he invoked his right to an attorney. The officer, knowing he likely didn’t have the money for one, handed him a phone book. The suspect thought he couldn’t invoke the right if he couldn’t pay for it so kept answering questions. The fact is, at that point, he didn’t have a right to a court appointed attorney because he hadn’t been arrested so the officer was within the law by handing him the phone book rather than getting him an attorney. But, I’m not so sure he was within the law by continuing to ask questions. The officer should have read his rights to begin with and that request should have been understood as invoking all his rights even though the officer didn’t read them to him. But they don’t follow the law, do they? Some court appointed attorneys don’t do their job either. He got a really lazy one.
At least one jury decided the bank has no right to detain an innocent person, awarding the victim over 3mil. http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/15/2643501/jury-awards-33-million-to-man.html Your case might not be so valuable since this man was kicked in the head and still suffers from it. Remember last fall, all those Citibank customers that got arrested simply for going there in protest to close their account? They bank security locked them inside awaiting police.
Awesome article JB! You’ve definately opened my eyes to something that I was totally unaware. I’ve always had my guards up pertaining to the cops etc however never thought about the banking industry. Just thought about indentity theft etc, about it…Thanks for the enlighting even tho it was due to your unfortunate experience. Too bad I wasnt with you that day LMAO,,,,I would’ve caused a scene for sure….
This site is very informative also….
http://www.hillsdale.edu/constitution/week_00_readings.aspx
Good Morning Zuben,
, its in a nice frame on my dresser.
The answer to your question is
No that officer didn’t follow the law. I think its horrible the way your friend was treated! The officer knew exactly what he was doing. LE doesn’t realize the extraordinary powers they have over people’s lives. One glitch is a life changer so “Keep your mouth shut” is the best advice.
BTW, How did this work out? Was the officer reprimanded for not reading him his rights?
I think court appointed attorneys are a joke. Unless they get a monetary bonus for winning a case or some kind of incentive to win, I have little faith that justice will be served. You’d think with prison overcrowding, it would be even more important not to play games with people’s rights. I don’t think we have our priorities straight.
Thanks for the Rodolfo Valladares story. He “displayed no weapon, made no threat and demanded no money”?? That does seem like a bank robbery to me!
I hope he wins in the re-trial too. He deserves every penny.
well..I’m off to a garage sale with Jimbo. I’m looking for some frames for my art work.
Have a wonderful day!
From what I heard, JB, the appointed attorney came to see him looking like he slept in his clothes and told him there’s no winning these cases, plead no contest and get it over.
Question JB,
If we don’t answer the police, won’t they say we were not coroperating and then start
beating the hell out of someone for no reason? Then taken in and arrested, even if you’ve done all of the right things?
If they are talking to you, asking questions like “how are you”, then where do you work, you stay quiet, they think you’re being suspicious or arrogant, they can do what they want to, even lie, right?
BTW!! Has the bank taken your pulse yet and found you were actully not deseased? Have they gotten that straight yet? Has it traveled to some of your credit that you were deseased?
I’m sure you have some lawyer or someone that can and will help you.
To be detained there for 2 hours, they had to see a person that was very much alive.
I would like WHY all of the police and WHY detain you for two hours???
I was curious about this case, even though she shot the gun in the ceiling, didn’t kill or hurt anyone, She’s been in jail for over a year and the jury came back with a verdict in 12 minutes.
I’m sure IF she gets new trial it will take forever until she is free. I wondered what her bond was.
Has anyone read or heard about this case?
Does she have aright to be free if she could make her bond?
http://politic365.com/2012/04/24/a-marissa-alexander-retrial/
Forgot to send the link! : /
Thanks so much for the critical reminder JB! Excellent article and information. I have to admit, I’m much like Loly when confronted by LE. Overly nice, overly talkative. I’ll know better from now on!
I love the photo and response!
Loly, I can’t believe she had an injunction against domestic violence in place, on the day of the incident and still was charges as she was. Of course it would be happening in Florida. I suppose a gun law being used overtly. SOmetimes it feels like FLorida is the Wild, Wild West.
In my local news: Fired Crestview police chief seeks reinstatement
http://www.nwfdailynews.com/articles/crestview-49262-hearing-police.html
Mitchell’s four-page grievance claims that Mayor David Cadle, who fired him, “demonstrated a double standard when it came to holding me accountable” and did not provide a fair and proper hearing before presenting a notice of termination.
To back that up, Mitchell presents numerous allegations against current and former city employees. He alleges unsavory and in some cases illegal activity he had brought to Cadle’s attention. Mitchell contends the information he took to the mayor was never acted upon
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Mitchell’s grievance is the latest twist to the ongoing controversies surrounding the Police Department. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement is investigating the department and former police Maj. Joseph Floyd has bee indicted on racketeering charges.
Floyd has pleaded not guilty to the charges.
In the grievance, Mitchell accuses Cadle of failing to investigate a complaint that the city’s assistant fire chief had “sex with four known prostitutes while on duty, in his city vehicle and at his residence.”
More at link: Other allegations include a cover-up of sexual harrassment by a Assistant Chief firefighter & cover-up of Parks & Recs employee timecard fixing etc.
MORE TO COME!
Loly,
I think what the article suggested is continue to ask if you’re free to go. That more or less tells you if you are under arrest. It also tells the officer that you know your rights. An innocent question like “How are you?” is cordial. I’m sure being cordial is good but telling a stranger where you work at isn’t really necessary.
For instance, what if one of your co-workers is known to have alot of arguments with his wife? By him asking you where do you work, his next question might be “do you know so and so? Does he ever come to work with scratches on his face?” And the next thing you know your a witness in spousal abuse case and you don’t even know the facts.
So I’d go with “am I free to go?” because it sort of lets him know that you don’t want to get involved and that you know your rights.
I think thats what the author of the article was trying to convey.
I like that JB,
when he comes up to the car, I’ll immediately say “am I free to go” that let’s him know before he even starts that I’m not as dumb as I look.
I can be so innocent looking and I get this question from just about anyone “what are you up to. ”
I say nothing why, they say you just have that look that you’re up to something. lol
Another bad thing is that I have been mistaken for someone always, NOT GOOD, because in a line up I know I would look like THE ONE! : )
This is so intetesting and I’m glad that you wrote this article. I SERIOULY am!
I’m too comfortable out and I need to be more cautious!!
Hi,
HGM, She had been abused and was only trying to be more aware and not take it from him anymore. Seems like some things don’t make sense.
I’m sure she can’t afford an attorney.
I just don’t understand!!
There is always some crap going on that we don’t even know about. Guess if we did, we would all be on the funny farm, right? : )
Keep us posted!
Sorry to be off topic – but just saw this article about that “lovely girl” Casey Anthony
looks like the Pastor and wife have finally gotten a whiff of what Casey is all about – its a joke that the Pastors wife asked Casey to pray about her situation – thats a laugh – as if Casey is capable of that – she is only doing what comes natural to her – lying and manipulating – this isnt the end of the story as I have always said you will hear more about her as time goes on – and none of it will be good
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/05/casey-anthony-slams-her-being-self-centered
Self centered is the Pastors wife’s words same as what we all said she was a narcissist who killed her daughter.
Hi Lainey. This article isn’t about Casey, it’s about JB being held hostage. But thanks for the latest from the rag mag. Knowing one’s rights might be a relevant place to put this afterall. Casey is being held hostage too, in a way. Was Casey asked permission to publish this phone call? I think the pastor’s wife should look a little closer to home for the wolf in sheep’s clothing, not at Baez. Who is this insider sharing private conversations or voicemails? How much did they pocket from the deal? Actually, I get the impression she is angry because Casey left to another secret location without a proper good bye once one of her so called friends in Christ revealed her location. I’m sure there is more to this story. But, actually it is none of our business. She is a free person, not under the orders of Pastor Camp or his wife or the public at large
Yes she is a free person but it just goes to show what little character she has – the woman sounded like she genuinely cared for her and Casey did what she has always done – used people and then discarded them – thats what sociopaths do. If you didnt believe she was guilty before I dont suppose you can change your mind but what you will see as time goes on her pattern of use and her narcissism. In the end, she will be back into trouble because shes not capable of staying out of it. Thats how she operates – she craves the attention and the rush and she honestly doesnt know how to operate on a path to redemption because she doesnt believe she needs redeeming – she is right and the world is wrong. They cant treat sociopathy for this reason – there is something wrong with this type of person’s brain. Casey leaves a trail of the disillusioned and discarded as she goes – just as all the relationships she has had has shown. This pastor and his wife and Baez are just the latest.
Lainey/Jessica/Jocelyn STFU “”Oooo ooo the slightest little fleck of dirt and u can’t wait to go spread it” GET BENT
Lainey, you are reading a gossip column with information given by an insider who wishes to remain nameless. Now, if this is an actual transcript of a message left, either the pastor’s wife recorded her call for posterity or else it was on Casey’s machine and taken from there. I have a higher standard for what I use to judge mental health. I believe, if I remember correctly, that her doctors couldn’t come up with a diagnosis for any personality disorder so I have to take their expert opinion rather than yours or the pastor’s wife. I believe Dr. Weitz said she showed signs of PSTD. That in itself might account for her strange behavior after Caylee lost her life. But, I don’t see anything strange about leaving quickly without a goodbye when she realized her location was being descended upon. Obviously someone somewhere can’t be trusted but none of us knows who let her secret out. Or do you think Casey saved the message and sold it to Radar. I think she could do better than that and it is highly unlikely.
By the way, anyone could say it is self centered to do something to protect yourself. One certainly isn’t thinking about someone else when they run or hide. They are in survival mode, which is naturally very self centered. There are times that looking out for one’s self is the right and best thing to do. If we don’t protect our self there isn’t always anyone else we can count on to do it for us.
Now, reading this “transcript” objectively, it sounds to me like Casey’s location was betrayed, she made a hasty retreat then called the pastor to discuss who betrayed her. He probably denied that anyone at the church would ever do such a thing and implied Baez or his team probably did it, she defended him and the wife got pissed she hung up on her hubby. No doubt there are plenty of greedy, not to be trusted people involved in this saga. But the fact remains, you nor I can know for a fact who that is.
Media descended on the Cross Church parsonage Jan. 18. This person says she is calling on Friday, which is the 20, after 48 hours of dealing with hateful people. Now, this part makes sense, it being about 48 hours from Jan. 18 to Jan. 20. But then later she says
Huh? now it’s 4 days and she is implying that Casey left by choice, not with police escort 2 days prior. I’m a little confused with that one.
I’m confused too Zuben. Lainey just didn’t take the time to think it out or she would have known she was wrong. That happens alot whenever it has anything to do with Casey.
Actually I think it’s just wishful thinking on their part. You know, the ones who think the jurors were paid off and Judge Perry, the one they all loved at the beginning, had a part in Casey’s acquittal, and blah blah blah..the list goes on and on.
Apparently, the Anthony story is one that’s here to stay. I think Zenaida’s shot at the golden calf is coming up soon???
Hey Lainey, since you keep up with Casey activity so much, how bout dropping in every once and awhile to keep me posted because honestly since the acquittal, I’ve lost interest.
TIA,
Am I free to go?
I apologize for this “off-topic” announcement, but here goes….Jose Baez has written a book on the Casey Anthony case! I can’t wait to read it!
Really?!! Do you know the title of the book? I’d like to read it too.
Casey Anthony, Presumed Guilty
I love the title!!
JB – For Jose’s book title I was thinking “Perfect Justice.” That way he could also poke a finger in Ashton’s eye, since he had the audacity to name his “Imperfect Justice.”
I have a question about rights.
Do homeless people have any at all or are they there and police have a right to bully them and murder them without being charged with FIRST degree murder?
Can police get away with muder?
I believe a young guy beat up a homeless man, can’t remeber if he killed him, but people were outraged!!
In Sanford the police murder a defenseless homeless man for no reason, and aren’t charged with FIRST degree murder. Where’s the outrage for this poor homeless man in Sanford?
The police REALLY are above the law.
More questions about our rights when it comes to police.
Evidently they can murder slaughter us and are not ever given life in prison OR the death pentalty.
The cops in Sanford, Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, it so unbelievable that this was not news all over. I guess they were too busy covering Casey.
If people around the country KNEW this they would have been out asking for justice for this poor homeless man.
ABOUT mental illness, Does this mean the cops can muder and slaughter him to death and are not charged with First degree murder. He’s homeless and skinny and they bullied him torchered him and mudered him.
This could happen to any one of us!!
This is very upsetting.
They even try to say that Chamberlaine was mentally ill and he wasn’t but they busted in his door, tasered him and then shot him to death.
THESE and Trayvon are only brought to us by families having to fight for justice, AND people think they are the bad guys??? What’s wrong with this picture.
A cop has a lisence to kill. Not a question, just a comment IMO. There is no justice when it comes to them whatsoever.
Has one ever been to prison for life or gotten the death pentalty? I sure don’t know of any.
Now a man allowed to carry a gun goes balistic and kills a child and the country is split over it? REALLY?
Yes, 17 was a child.
JB
I remember cops like your Grandpa, I admired them and really looked up to them. IF they saw what was going on now, they would be more than disappointed.
It’s about time that they start being treated as any other criminal. We call them for help
and they abuse it/
So sad because I know some that have gotten out of the job beause of all of the ugly mean that department has become. Soon they will all be bad.
I have a fried cop that lives in Ca. some of the kids couldn’t afford helmets fto ride their bikes, he bought with HIS money and got fired. WHY?
Senseless!
Lolypop, Chamberlain’s murder is very unsettling to me. Just thinking about it brings tears. White Plains police and the DA watched the same video and heard the same audio that we did and chose to protect the murderers.
White Plains police not arresting their own for murder, and the DA not indicting them for murder might be accepted if not for the recordings. Remember the Eddie Murphy movie scene where the woman playing his wife walks into their bedroom and finds him in bed with another woman? He leaps out of bed and says “Who you gonna believe? ME or your LYING EYES?”.
Our eyes are lying to us? The murder we see is NOT murder?
Re: your police officer friend fired for buying children helmets. I wonder if they used that as an excuse to get rid of your friend because he or she wouldn’t go along with their culture of abusing citizens.
There’s an officer named Regina Tasca of Bogota NJ who has been suspended since last May for trying to stop two other cops from using excessive force on a woman’s mentally challenged son:
http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-officer-may-be-fired-after-stopping-beatdown,0,2795580.story
Maybe a new blog dedicated to police misconduct? Hint JB…lol
I know of another case here in upstate NY that I believe is one big set up……
Involves the Sheriff, an affair and rumor has it a set up of a jamaican, possibly planted DNA evidence to bust him for the murder of the Sheriff’s 18 yr old lover….She was about to blow the whistle on their affair to his wife.. blah, blah
Have a good weekend all
Delaney,
I love whistle blowers…IF they had more of them like Regina, perhaps the crime rate would decrease…Shame she had to go thru all of what she did…
Ok, we were talking about a “Police State”??
hmmmmmmmmmm
http://www.infowars.com/fully-armed-u-s-troops-patrol-minnesota-neighborhood/
Ooh – GCG, it is HARD to have a good weekend with all this knowledge about police corruption!
Re: the infowars link first paragraph – I think we are being conditioned to accept illegal police power and control.
With every case of obvious brutality that police departments/DAs/grand juries/feds don’t prosecute, the tolerance for police brutality increases.
I know, I know.
I”m off to get a glass of wine and continue reading 50 shades of grey…lol…
Catch ya soon!
New Article Alert!
http://thejbmission.com/2012/05/11/attorney-jose-baez-to-release-tell-all-book/
Open for discussions regarding Jose Baez’s new book
GCG says “Maybe a new blog dedicated to police misconduct? Hint JB…lol”
lol, you must be reading my mind.. Maybe a site to report police misconduct by state? hehehe..
That might be interesting? We could have the “Top Ten”. lol
True JB,
Just thought I would put the message here, since it was about Know Your Rights.
Honestly I fully believe today we don’t have any when it comes to the police.
They ARE always right no matter what.
Like I said they litterly get by with attemped murder or murder. Something’s got to stop them.
If you have a barrell of apples, one is rotten, you leave it in there, they will soon ALL rot.
If you take that one out, that stops it. People are accepting anything from the police.
Delaney,
YES, I do believe My friend would never turn on the citizens and that’s why they fired him.
Besides I guess they wanted to write more tickets to kids without helmets.
Police brutality is tragic and vary SAD! I CRY, too Delaney.
I know the feeling, it breaks my heart, because I remember when they were good because they were your friend.
NOW, the majority are our enemies.
This ties in with the Trayvon case, because IMO, the police failed the Martin family.
If your son our son was treated the same way, We would fight like hell. We MAY not get it, but by damn we’re going to fight for it.
Just like Trayvons and Kelly’s families. AND fight for our Dad like he fought for us in the war.
HOW dare them come in and murder him.
I’m upset too! Why do police get by with rape, murder, abuse.
And I’ll go so far as to say they should outlaw tasers!
One Good Cop!
That was so refreshing.
Thanks JB!!! : )
You’re welcome Loly,
I posted the video here because I thought the gentlemen who were protesting were a good example as to HOW to talk to LE. They were respectful in all incidents.
This video wasn’t about the message. It was about the rights of the ones who wanted to protest.
btw, you have mail.
Thanks JB! You do too!!
Yes, it was the perfect place to post this.
I hope that the good ones and I know there are many, the best.
These others that go so totally balistic should be fired and just keep
the good ones. : )
Our fearless leader , mayor bloomberg
Has showed his true colors.
He’s banning 16 oz sodas in NYC
Wow talk about catering to obamas
Agenda.
What’s going to be next? Armed guards
In our refrigerators or cameras
Installed in our freezers
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Egads! I hope not!
JB
Hi everyone…just wanted to come here and share something with you all. Hope everyone is having a great day!
Here is a link to another Florida case. The 23 year old kid (Seth Adams) that was shot by a plain clothes police officer was unarmed and on his own private property. He was the boyfriend of a niece of one of my friends from high school. The family has said that his being aggressive as the police officer has said he was, is out of character for him. There is a petition on change.org that is calling for a fair and unbiased investigation into the case. My thought is that perhaps Seth caught the police officer doing something he shouldn’t have been doing. Just a thought. At any rate…it’s getting kind of scary out there!!
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_c_palm_beach_county/seth-adams-shooting-case-palm-beach-county-sheriff-ric-bradshaw-defends-deputy-involved-in-shooting…
OMG, this is apauling.
This guy is on his own property and is shot 4 times for continuing to look into his car?
Jill,
I’m so sorry for your friend.
As Zuben said this is apauling.
I hope that the sheriff is charged with his murder
and spends the rest of his life in prison.
He shouldn’t have the right to shoot someone in cold blood
and not pay for the rest of his life!!
GasCan,
I heard about the Soda Ban today! ah hahaha.. Ridiculous. Same as I feel about the smoking laws. Control, control, control..
Just like cigarettes, if it’s soooo dangerous, then stop selling them. If soda is sooooo dangerous, call Coca Cola and Pepsi. Tell them you’re going to take their product off the market. lol.. See how that works out.
crazy about the drinks lol. if they want to drink more they will just buy 2 instead of 1. duh, what a money making scheme lol
Well, I sell for Pepsico, but on the Gatorade/Quaker/Tropicana end….I think it’s just an excuse to slam another tax on us…..Sugar tax, tanning tax, etc……Bunch of BS
I think George Anthony will have to write another suicide note if the tanning tax hits Florida…
Just sayin
haha…George Anthony having to pay a tanning tax. Now that made me giggle!! He may have to start a new foundation…a man’s gotta bring in money somehow since his Nigerian plan didn’t work out so well!
On another note, here is another article about the Seth Adams shooting. There is something very, very wrong with this situation. It seems to me the cop didn’t want Seth to live…once the “threat” was over and Seth is laying on the ground bleeding, the cop should have administered first aid.
http://m.palmbeachpost.com/pbpost/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=7dHO4msB&full=true#display..
Here is the link to the petition to sign. Don’t know if signing petitions really helps anything, but I signed anyway in hopes that someone will listen.
http://www.change.org/petitions/police-shooting-needs-fair-investigation?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&utm_term=share_button_modal..
Have a good day everyone!
Jill,
I’m going to read up on this case this weekend….
Did you hear about the husband who is charged with his wife’s murder in Florida
and his defense is he’s blaming her death on a spray tan>>??
I have heard a little bit about the “spray tan” murder case…but I don’t know much about it. I’ll have to check that one out. There’s some strange, strange things going on…
FYI in the spray tan case. I have been watching it and the defense is an undetected heart condition was how she died. It’s not about a spray tan at all! I’m sure it’s just media spin to make another defense team look stupid.
DO NOT DRINK THE WATER IN FLORIDUH! LOL!
Your right Karen, media loves to spin!
I guess they’re claiming the spray tan caused
An allergic reaction then she died.
Hey GCG…They are claiming she had an undetected heart condition and that is all. The only mention of the tan is that she left tanning solution marks on the bed and the wall in the bathroom and possibly on the top of magazines in a magazine rack. They don’t know what the stuff is on the magazines because the investigatiors got rid of them! I don’t know where the media came up with it. Guess it just sounds better or something.
GasCan said:
Well, I sell for Pepsico, but on the Gatorade/Quaker/Tropicana end….I think it’s just an excuse to slam another tax on us…..Sugar tax, tanning tax, etc……Bunch of BS
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Oh oh..that doesn’t sound good for me. Maybe they’re planning on banning cigarettes and this new taxation on soda will replace the tax on tobacco??
Dang, I’m going to me sooo unhappy if they do that!
I’m moving to France!! or Denmark! LOL
JK.
Double the tax on anything above a 16oz soda, I can see it now….
I think going back to rolling your own butts sounds better and better….
Now if they ban wine, I dont know what i’ll do…ha!
Karen,
They found no heart condition….The dude off’d his wife because he’s an arrogant selfish SOB, money hungry doofus….IMOO of course…..: )
Hi MBGeorge,
Was that guy found guilty? I saw part of the closing argumnet on TruTV. I’m thinking something is wrong with this guy too.
Oh I saw part of that when the def was questioning the ME that orig did the autopsy. I was at my parents and just watched to be watching a trial. The day I watched was on a Friday, and there was no court, so they were I guess showing snippets. One thing I heard them say, and like I said that day it wasnt live so HLN/InSession could have taken out of context. They said that one of the sheets from the bed was taken with the body to cover her up. I just thought that was strange. So did they get a verdict?
LOL when I saw TAN mom or whatever, lol I was thinking about that lady who suuuuper tans GAG
Hi Arkansasmimi,
Did you check your email? I hope that helped. I think the Downloaded Data information speaks for itself, don’t you think?
Yes I got it. On that part yes. I remb back during the Casey thing something happened same thing about converting time. That cleared that for me. SO I will consede on that part. I hope we get more docs soon. I personally still feel there is someting fishy about that but, on that part, Good Sleuthing. Thats what I like
Rodney King, dead at 47 years old.
Rest in Peace
VERY good advice, JBMission!
And, a very nice thought, JB
……now I won’t forget you are NOT one in the same).
God help us and this Country!!!
The supreme court upheld the individual
Healthcare mandate! More big gov
So those of you who do not or choose
Not to buy health insurance are going
To be made to or be slapped with
Jail time or hefty fees
I have a feeling this going to cause
National havoc ANC potential civil war
Thank you to the four liberal idiot judges
And the people with zero common sense
Who voted this moron
Now for repeal if Romney is voted in
Yeah right
GasCan,
I’m not happy either but I did see it coming. No one cared when the government forced us to buy car insurance so now we’re forced to buy health insurance. Insurance is one of the most money generating sectors of the stock market. Insurance and pharmaceuticals go side by side.
Why is the government pandering to Insurance companies?
GasCan,
I heard there was one conservative/Republican judge too.
So now what’s going to happen? So far Obama insurance hasn’t affected me. I guess it’s going to hurt small business.
I don’t know much about politics but from what I see just from watching the news, it seems like this insurance bill has caused a lot of ruckus.
I guess all I can do now is sit back and watch.
I wish we had an Independent in the White House for just one term. We need change and enough of this good ole’ boy political BS.
GasCan,
When car insurance was made law, were you worried about a civil war?
Loly,
I wasnt around then, so no. I can choose not to drive and not pay insurance. Like many ppl in the city. But I cannot choose to not want health insurance……We’ll get slammed with fines if we choose not to have it. Car insurance we do not get fined. We just dont drive.
I’m not the only one worried about a civil war. Also, this is just one more thing that will add to the list, building up to it. Loly don;t you get our freedoms are slowly being taken from us? Our choices as US citizens?
JB, you wont feel the effects until 2014….And yes. this wont help business, matter of fact it will create more layoffs….
JB,
Since I have health insurance through my company (paying of course) the costs will go sky
high therefore affecting our paychecks. I know that will affect most of us.
So, i’m finished with my rant…..whew! I’m not pleased with Romney either so I think we’re screwed either way but I he may be better than what we have now…….who knows
Ron Paul is on the right track He’s goingg after the feds, calling for an audit…..
We need more of that,,,
Really ZLZ,
I didn’t realize that it would increase the price of insurance for everyone? Hmm..I haven’t seen a change so I don’t know. The only good thing about this insurance reform thingy is this; I thought it would help people who have pre-existing conditions who were unable to get insurance.
Honestly, I don’t know much about politics as you can tell.. LOL I can’t keep up with it.
Tell me, do you like Romney?
Ohhh.. I LOVE RON PAUL!! I hope he gets some answers.
ZLZ.. Do you think Ron Paul would run Independent?
GsCan,
I really apprciate us talking about any of this. I’ll admit, I don’t know very much either, but I’ve heard that they need to do something about our health care for a long time and everytime someone tries to they get knocked down.
You know, maybe your cost will drop instead of going sky high.
I’m not worried about our rights being taken away from me, I can’t think of any
rights that I’ve lost.
A doctor called in on CNN and said he wasn’t for this, but he was for the single payer and didn’t Obama try single payer?
The government gives the military, congress and medicare the same as would be what we would have had and that would have been good. I think it’s a good thing that your kids can be on it until they’re 26 and also pre-existing, BUT honestly, I’m not too up on all of this myself.
Also my friends in New York are like you. They don’t drive and most prefer not to.
I have a wonderful friend here that just doesn’t want check-ups, I don’t blame her and dpesn’t want insurance, just wants to go when it’s her time. She’s not a religious fanatic, but what I think is if she were in a terrible accident and it isn’t her time, she’ll have to be hospitlized and treated for who knows how long?
I want you to explain it to me, these aren’t a lot of things that I know much about either.
I fo know that the people that were ranting at the meetings about medicare, HAD medicare.
I HATE to say this, because it shows my age, : ) but we have it and it’s been great.
I guess I know the pros and have been happy with them.
I really don’t understand the cons.
But, I will tell you this, I LOVE talking with you about these things. I know everyone differs!
And I appreciate it.
JB,
Like you, I’m not much up on a lot of things that happen in politics, I try! lol
I think almost everyone differs some in parts of it.
I don’t hate it, I actually wish that I had been more interested in it in school
and took more part of it in my life.
I think it’s interesting now, then I wasn’t much interested in anything.
I guess if I could wish and it would be my first ever concern is NO WAR!S : )
And I know that will never happen!
I gotcha Loly,
No WARS!! I’m with you. I’m registered as Independent so when I vote, it’s not for a democrat or a republican ..lol
I think I could get interested if there weren’t so much BS in politics.
Can I email you?
JB,
I really think the majority are Independent, but feel they won’t win!
Yes!
JB,
Of course you can E-mail me any time!
ZLZ,
Just off the top of my head, with what little that I know about healthcare finances, I can say this.
Ever since we began having HMO plans where ppl just make co-pays, ppl began ignoring the actual cost for a doctor’s appt.
When I first began working in healthcare in 1976 when health insurance wasn’t mandatory for anyone, the cost for a pediatric visit was approx. $10 – $15 per visit. This was in the days when the deductible was $250 a year per family member. The cost for this insurance was about $40 per month for a family of 4.
In those days, the main reason for having health insurance, especially if you had children were in case of an accident or some catastrophic disease, it wouldn’t cause you to go bankrupt.
Nowadays, ppl with insurance go to the doctor for every little ailment. They don’t care how much the doctor is charging for the visit. Most ppl don’t even look at the bill as long as they walk out of there only making a co-pay. If they actually looked at the bill, they’d see anywhere from $135 – $225 per visit. And for pharmaceuticals, it’s worst.
For instance, I had an eye infection. I went to my GP and he prescribed 2 types of eye drops. One was a Neosporin and the other was something I’d never heard of. I forgot the name of this stuff but it cost $502 for 1.5 ml bottle. The Neosporin was $35 which is all I really needed. I go to the pharmacy to pick up my Rx, it cost me $12 for both bottles. My insurance paid $525. Now who’s fault is that? The doctor who prescribed this new fangle dangle medication probably got a little kick back from the pharmaceutical company for prescribing this medication.
Now imagine this same doctor treating Medacaid pts, giving the same Rx’s to them. Now it’s the government’s bill. We the People are paying for that.
So follow the money. If the Prez is forcing everyone to buy into the insurance sector, the doctors are benefiting and so are pharmaceuticals.
Generally speaking, during the ages of 18 – 35 unless you’re a woman, there’s not much need to see a doctor so maybe men should be exempt from this rule or maybe just buy Catastrophic coverage, But the way O’Bama explained it, one of the reasons for this Insurance program is to cover ppl who go to the emergency room without insurance.
ZLZ, correct me if I’m wrong. Since the government has already made it law that employers must insure full-time employees, that only leaves a percentage of the people who don’t have jobs which is What? About 15% of people out of work? Hmmm….Don’t really know, whatever that is..
Now who in the heck cares if doctors, hospitals and pharmaceuticals have to write-off on their taxes 15% of their profits? They’re rolling in dough!
LOL.. Does that make sense to you?
Just to nip this and make it Simple
I dont want to pay for those
Who aren’t covered that is one
And 99 percent its
for the illegals who waltz in our
Hospitals delivers baby after baby
And walks our paying zero
Second I don’t want the gov
Obtaining my health records
That is just a few reasons to make
It Simple
BbbL
On phone will write more later
Google page 114 line 22 of the healthcare bill.
When you get a chance
Basically says the Pres. Members of congress
And the senate and families are exempt
Gee if it’s so good then why are they
Exempt?
To answer your question about
Gov Romney JB
I don’t care for him I’m in
Support if Ron Paul
But Romney is better than BO imoo
I hear ya GasCan. I like Ron Paul too. The thing about B.O.B is ever since he took office the country has gone into an uproar. I hate seeing America so divided. United we Stand, Divided we Fall..so? Whatever..lol
http://www.theospark.net/2009/07/obamacare-reading-of-bill-so-far-just.html?m=1
Yeah well his assertion in the Trayvon
Case wasn’t intended to bring us all together
That’s for sure
I honestly gave him a fair chance
It’s over
I doubt I’ll be voting
Unless Mitt Romney has some
Kind of plan instead of just
Keep saying the same ol
Thing over and over i keep reminding
Myself. Is this all America has to
Offer?
Slithering into Communism on the oratory of a master of promise to the masses who want the government to take care of them. God has not time anymore… he gave us a chance to wake up and we refused. Good luck.
Obamacare
It seems unbelievable. Lean on your Congressmen and Senators. The communists have landed…
This person has been reading the 1000 page house bill and posting it at Twitter……the bill is worse than you thought
Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings.
This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman’s)
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments and benefits you get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill – YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 42 of HC Bill – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice!
Pg 50 Section 152 in HC bill – HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill – Govt will have real-time access to individuals’ finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your banks’ accounts for election funds transfer
Pg 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating a HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Govt control.
Pg 84 Sec 203 HC bill – Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs for private HC plans in the Exchange
Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs for Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!
Pg 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill – Govt mandates linguistic-appropriate services. Example: Translation for illegal aliens
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups (i.e., ACORN & Americorps) to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan
Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs of Ben Levels for Plans. #AARP members – your health care will be rationed.
Pg 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill – Medicaid-eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monopoly.
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill – Doctors/ #AMA – The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST automatically enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for health care for part-time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY employer with a payroll of $400k and above who does not provide pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between $251k & 400k who don’t provide pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)
Pg 195 HC Bill – Officers and employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans’ financial and personal records.
Pg 203 Line 14-15 HC – “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that.
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill – Doctors will all be paid the same, regardless of what specialty you have.
Pg 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of doctor’s time, professional judgment, etc. Literally value of humans.
Pg 265 Sec 1131 Govt mandates and controls productivity for private HC industries
Pg 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs
Pg 272 SEC. 1145. Treatment of certain cancer hospitals. Cancer patients: welcome to rationing!
Pg 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what it deems preventable readmissions.
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors who treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission will be penalized by the Govt.
Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells doctors what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand
Pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!
Pg 335 16-25 Pg 336-339 – Govt mandates establishment of outcome-based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps into Govt plan
Pg 354 Sec 1177 – Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people.! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy – Telehealth Advisory Committee. Can you say HC by phone?
Pg 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. Excuse me???!?!?!?
Pg 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “advance care planning consult” will be used frequently as patient’s health deteriorates
Pg 429 Lines 10-12 “Advance care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 – The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
Pg 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life
Pg 469 – Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?
Pg 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. One monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?
Pg 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage
Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those same services
For anyone’s info..
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3200ih/pdf/BILLS-111hr3200ih.pdf
Hi GasCan,
Thank you! lol
Thank you for the break down. I perusing over it now. lol..Guess what? You’re getting me interested in the mess.
Hi JBMission! Just looking for HGM…I have some news for her.
LOL. Is this GCG the same one from the OS who thinks Casey is guilty and a spoiled brat? I am confused. Same name, same avatar but maybe hijacked by the mob? They sure have replicated his style if not.
Oh well…sent an email to you that I thought I sent about a week ago. Nothing major….just some info
Have fun trying to figure it all out.
LOL,,,BO lover, not me!
Good try tho,,,,
: )
BO lover, I forgot to ask, why you confused?
Hey, did you ever see that movie Sybil?
BO Lover?
WOW
I won’t call you a MR or RP lover, Zir. While I like Ron Paul too, he is way ahead of his time for the sate of this Nation as it currently sits–except for/or, even if, he didn’t write the papers about blacks. That is my only issue with him.
I get it that you don’t like The President (nor do you seem to respect the office much). The sentiment is as rampant as racism is in this country and it is unsettling to me. You also don’t seem to go with the fact that a child–yes, child, was killed by an adult with a gun, but you needn’t beat up on other posters for their opinions. No one knows exactly what happened except for the two parties but, Zman had a gun, a car, and a cop wannabe attitude with a history. I won’t call you a racist because I don’t know you, but my perception is that you may have issues with African Americans. I am white, in the event you are wondering and I am not married to a black man either. I have seen this before and that is just what it appears to be to me. I am not here to argue this case in detail, but for you to take an attitude toward me for my user name and/or opinion, seems immature. You have no idea why I use that name and you make lots of assumptions. I just want to state I am offended by your Sybil comment and it sounds VERY much like what has been said to me at the OS. In fact, verbatim and I am not sure what you meant by it. Just sayn.
I am confused about posts made at the OS under the name and avatar GCG, also used here. I may even have them archived, but not to use publicly, I promise. I didn’t know you went by ZLZ also. There were several posts running for several days horribly bashing Casey, her parents and my user name. THAT is why I was confused. I didn’t know they had been hijacking from here at that time (if they were). I know they did it to HGM. So sorry I was looking out for some of you here at the Mission. I was out of my own realm and thought I was helping. At least I now know who is interested and who is not. You were rude to me the first time I came here, and it is one reason I didn’t come back for a long time. I am able to debate with out being condescending. It seems debate has fallen by the way side with many here over the Trayvon Martin case. So sad for The JB Mission because it was such a good site and my first ever in the “blog” world, but, I am a bit turned off by the things I see today.
I also want you to know, GCG/ZLZ, I came here to let you all know that the trolls at the OS are discussing you and your treatment of JBMission (the person). They are thrilled, so I hope you feel good. I was not “trying” anything. I have NO problem revealing to JBMission who I am and that I am not here to troll or make trouble, but when I am spoken to this way, I will respond.
It is sad that otherwise good people could come to this over a court case, a candidate or an opinion.
Now, have YOU ever seen Needful Things?
Good Day, Zir.
PS–JBMission….please remove this by morning if you can, or put it in your “just us area” because I don’t want to be the cause of more bad mouthing of you, your site or any of your posters (unless you are OK with it…it matters not, to me as it IS your site to run as you see fit).
I respect the office but not the person I’ve said
That many times
Bo dies not respect the office it’s
Quite clear and no I cannot respect
That he’s changing our constitution
Right before our eyes
So if I disagree with this prez im
Considered a racist? It’s Like
Racism if the majority of this
Country is furious with his
Decisions? What a lame and
Very dumb statement
This president is using race now
To try and win re election Gee
How so convenient And you
Are right I cannot stand Anyone
Who Is trying to change our traditions
And our history
And for the record I never said
Anyone who thought differently
About GZ was wrong so the twisting
Of words is getting a little old
I says I think he shot in self defense
And most of this case is all about
Politics Why do you think your
Man asserted himself into this
Case? You honestly think he cares
About the Martin Family or cares
That he wins the State of Florida
As far as me being a GZ supporter
I am not I can care less who he is
But since politics and the Pres got
Involved I would feel for anyone
Who now has to fight against that
It changed things
That us why people probably
Responded and donated to help
Him fight the system
I’ve said since day one that the Zimnerman
Case is all political most of
The so called evidence is doctored
So really we are all commenting
On manufactured BS And getting
All in an uproar Just like they
Want the public to do
Have a good day and and forgive
The typos
Oh and the BO lover comment is all
In good fun but if it bothered you
I apologize As you know I try
To have a little fun with nics
Gobo,
Oh if you saw a comment recently
On the Sentinel and I said Casey
Is guilty? Then someone who
Knows my email address
Would be the only way One
Could use my nic to post
Comments
Off to word
Happy 4th Enjoy it while
It’s still considered a Holiday
Hi GasCan,
Happy Fourth of July to you too.
As for those postings at OS many of us here had our screen names used there. I found my name there too a couple of times. I don’t think Hal or any of those monitors care what name they use or if change it 5 times a day.
Its funny to them. I think they’re just a bunch of bored people trying to amuse themselves.
I assured GOBHO, that it wasn’t you. That’s for sure!
Good article JB..Being my 2 accidents in 2010, Im sure you recall LOL
I have an attorney here..and they have a GREAT phone app that I wish
I had during my accident era…It has ALL you need ..really GREAT app..I recommend!
OOPS..some things never change,,LOL..heres the linkhttp://www.jacobsandgoodman.com/app.aspx
AGAIN::::: http://www.jacobsandgoodman.com/app.aspx