By KOMO STAFF and Associated PressPublished: Feb 5, 2012 at 9:57 PM PST
GRAHAM, Wash. – A powerful explosion and fire at the home of Josh Powell killed him and his two young sons Sunday, authorities said, more than two years after Powell’s wife Susan vanished under suspicious circumstances.
The explosion shook the normally quiet cul-de-sac neighborhood where Powell had been living. It came just moments after a caseworker had brought Powell’s two young sons, Charles, 7, and Braden, 5, there for a supervised visit.
Flames roared through the home near the intersection of 182nd Street and 84th Avenue after the 12:30 p.m. explosion.
Firefighters rushed to the scene after receiving multiple frantic 911 calls, where they found two young victims and an adult male victim. All were found in the same room in the middle of the house, said Sgt. Ed Troyer, Pierce County sheriff’s spokesman.
Troyer said emails Powell sent to authorities seemed to confirm that Powell planned the deadly blast. Troyer didn’t elaborate on the contents of the emails, but said they make police believe “this is intentional, this is planned … this is a double murder-suicide.”
Authorities were removing three bodies from the home Sunday evening as fire crews and police continued to search the rubble. Troyer said it appeared some sort of accelerant was used to make the house burn faster.
Powell’s wife Susan disappeared in December 2009 under suspicious circumstances while the couple was living in Utah, and he lost custody of his two sons last year.
A social worker brought the two boys to Josh Powell’s home Sunday for what was to be a supervised visit. They rushed toward the home, leaving the social worker behind. By the time she got to the door, Powell had let his sons in but locked her out, Graham Fire and Rescue Chief Gary Franz told The Associated Press.
The case worker reported smelling gas fumes, and suddenly an explosion ripped through the home just as the caseworker went to her car to report Powell’s actions to a supervisor.
A lawyer for Josh Powell says he received a three-word email from his client just minutes before the explosion. It said, “I’m sorry, goodbye.”
Attorney Jeffrey Bassett tells The Associated Press the email arrived at 12:05 p.m. Sunday, but he didn’t see it until two hours later, when others informed him of the blast. He says he knew Josh was upset after being ordered to undergo a psycho-sexual evaluation recently, but he didn’t see this coming.
Authorities later said Josh Powell also sent emails with a similar “goodbye” message to a few family members.
Steve Downing, a lawyer for the boys’ maternal grandparents, says they are beyond devastated. They always feared Josh would do something like this.
Downing told the AP the children had started talking to their grandparents about things they remembered from the night their mother vanished.
“They were beginning to verbalize more,” he said. “The oldest boy talked about that they went camping and that Mommy was in the trunk. Mom and Dad got out of the car and Mom disappeared.”
Sgt. Mike Powell of the West Valley City Police Department in Utah said it was too soon to say how Josh Powell’s death may impact their probe.
“Quite frankly, this has obviously quickly unfolded up in Washington and we’re obviously just working through the details ourselves here,” said Powell, who is not related to the family.
Powell did not return a telephone message later in the evening Sunday regarding the children’s assertion that their mother had been in the trunk of the family’s car on the night she disappeared.
Gov. Chris Gregoire issued a statement saying, “I am deeply saddened by reports that two young children, Charles and Braden Powell, lost their life today in a terrible tragedy. My heart is heavy with their loss and my thoughts go out to the children’s family, friends, and schoolmates. “This is a very sad day.”
The sudden and tragic development was the latest in a dizzying series of twists in the case of missing mom Susan Powell.
Just last week a Pierce County judge had ruled that Powell’s two young sons must remain in the custody of Susan Powell’s parents.
Pierce County Superior Court Judge Kathryn J. Nelson also ruled that Josh Powell must undergo a psycho-sexual evaluation and polygraph test before he could regain custody of his sons. But he was allowed two supervised visits a week.
Powell told police he last saw his wife Susan at about midnight on Dec. 7, 2009, just before he and the couple’s young sons – then 4 and 2 – headed out for a winter camping trip in subfreezing temperatures in the Utah desert.
Since then, Josh Powell has been the only named person of interest in connection with her disappearance.
Powell and his two sons moved to Puyallup, where he and Susan grew up, after she vanished.
The three of them lived with his father, Steven Powell, for a time. But in a bizarre twist, Steven Powell was arrested for voyeurism and child pornography last September. After that, Josh Powell lost custody of his sons and they had been in the care of Susan Powell’s parents.
Steven Powell, meanwhile, is in jail awaiting trial. Troyer said after Steven Powell was informed of his son’s and grandsons’ deaths, he “called us some names” and didn’t say anything else. He has been placed on suicide watch.
The caseworker who brought Powell’s young sons to his home was a provider under contract to the state Department of Social and Health Services.
“The visit supervisor for this particular agency had taken the children to the home. When she does that, she sits through the visit and might take notes on her observations,” said Sherry Hill, a spokeswoman for the Washington state Department of Social and Health Services. “She pulled up in the car, and the kids ran out ahead of her. He closed the door and locked it. She wasn’t able to get in, and that’s when she smelled gas.”
Another DSHS official, Denise Revels Robinson, said the caseworker wasn’t injured, but was traumatized by the events.
We were relieved to learn that the caseworker was not physically injured but understand that she is suffering from grave emotional trauma as a result of the horrific event,” she said. “The sadness of such a thing touches everyone involved with these children.”
Kirk Graves, 39, of West Jordan, Utah, Josh Powell’s brother-in-law, said he and his wife, Jennifer, were stunned by the explosion and sudden deaths.
“It’s a shock. A total complete shock,” he said. “We never contemplated the idea he would do something like this. You just don’t expect it from a father.”
Kirk Graves said he and his wife think Josh Powell deliberately set off the explosion to kill him and his sons.
“His world was falling apart around him and he was going to lose his boys and get arrested for Susan’s disappearance,” he said. “He’s a narcissist and he has no love for anyone but himself.
The day of the child custody hearing last Wednesday, Josh Powell submitted a six-page affidavit attesting to his love of the boys and his competence as a caregiver and insisting that it was time for the boys to come home.
“For over four months already, my interactions with my sons and many other aspects of my character have been investigated and documented by CPS,” he wrote. “I have proven myself as a fit and loving father who provides a stable home even in the face of great adversity. … It is time for my sons to come home.”
By Sunday night, there was a growing memorial to the slain Powell boys at the elementary school they attended in Puyallup. Dozens of people gathered at Carson Elementary to place candles, stuffed animals, balloons and messages out front. Among them was Denise Cox, the sister of the boys’ missing mother, Susan Powell.
Source:
By KOMO STAFF and Associated PressPublished: Feb 5, 2012 at 9:57 PM PST
http://www.kval.com/news/local/Explosion-at-Puyallup-home-rescue-operation-at-Powell-residence-138746774.html
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JFC said on previous thread;
Hi JFC,
I brought your comment to this thread, I hope you don’t mind.
My sentiments exactly! I wish they would have kept this story MORE in the spotlight too. I remember thinking that the father in law, Steve was really creepy. He admitted to some kind of sexual conversations with the missing wife Susan. (or it could have been more) IDK for sure.
And this guy Josh seemed very strange to me too, I was thinking these poor kids don’t stand a chance and I was right.
Those poor boys, I could just imagine the terror in their eyes when their father held them in the fire. :very sad: I only hope it was quick and they didn’t suffer.
I’m sure we’ll find out more in a day or so.
Over on You tube they’re saying that Joshes father was having sex with him & they think Susan caught them in the act & that’s why he killed her. IDK. What a tragedy.
Another report said she was socking away $ to divorce him. She had given him until their anniversary in the spring to get his shit together but he wasn’t doing it, so when he found she was getting ready to leave him he killed her.
Here’s a surprise the judge in this case is a woman
Wow Lisa!
I had no idea!! It’s so creepy.. IF that story is true, Just saying then doesn’t that kind of mirror the Anthony case. I would think that life long homosexual incest with a person’s father would do an incredible amount of psychological damage on a person, especially a man. (Men are not as strong as women when it comes to this kind of stuff) So I’m sure this would create a very sick individual.
And it makes perfect sense to me that a wife wouldn’t dare tell anyone about this. I know I couldn’t.
BTW, did you read they haven’t found Josh’s body! I sure hope they find it because I’d hate to think he somehow escaped.
The report I just read said they had found his body too
Oh good! Because the Examiner said they hadn’t found it yet.
BTW, everybody, “Just Us” is on shut-down for 12 hours for maintenance.
It’ll be back up at 4pm.
A question just occured to me. Wasn’t Josh Powell from Utah? If this happened in Washington was this his fathers house that he blew up? Hope his homeowers insurance was paid up or when he gets out of jail (if he ever does) he’s coming home to a pile of charcoal. Of course it couldn’t happen to a nicer guy (creep).
Those poor children! Lisa I think it was Josh Powell house. He ony has supervised visits with the boys he pushed the social worker out as she was going to her car to report it to her boss then the house exploded. They are reporting now that the boys were talking to the social workers and telling them they went camping on the night Susan disappeared and mommy was in the trunk. They are also saying the boys said mommy and daddy got out and mommy never came back. How sad.
I believe that it was the media that ‘pushed’ this sad tragedy into motion. From what I recall Josh was cooperative in the beginning. I remember that a ‘strange’ neighbor that lived next door ‘knew’ an awful lot of personal information about Susan and trashed Josh in the media and made living there with his children impossible pushing him to go live with his father. All the ‘gossip’ and then the taking of his children pushed him over the ledge resulting in a sad sad story. Personally, I feel that if they investigated this male neighbor that they may have found what really happened to Susan Powell. This story is similar to the Melissa Duckett story the isolation and rumors of these persons led into tragedy. I did not know that they had taken his sons from him until their deaths – this tragedy was very ‘predictable’. If anyone recalls the police retraced Joshs’ travels and Susans’ body was not there. He left her at home with a ‘headache’ and an infatuated next door neighbor!
Who takes two small kids camping in a raging blizzard and below freezing temps?
When I saw Josh Powell’s father’s interviews, he did seem strange. He alludes to a love affair with his daughter-in-law and states how flirtatious her behavior is.Then, he alludes to the possiblity that she ran off with someone else. They find child porn in the house and the children are removed. CPS often involves themselves when they aren’t needed, yet fail when they are needed but in this case, i think the judge restricted his visits as much as he could according to his rights as a father.
After that interview, I grew more suspicious of Josh and felt concern for the children who were staying there at that time. My family and extended family are avid outdoors people and the idea of taking children on a camping trip, in the cold, late into the evening has never occured to us. I don’t remember the next-door neighbor though, I’ll review the story. My heart does go out to the victims’ family. Very sad…
Thanks for the Article JB Mission. A very interesting story that I knew very little about. I just have one question. If Josh is the perp that killed Susan, then why didn’t he admit it in his suicide emails.? Or did he? If not, then how do I know this isn’t the original perp killing josh and the kids to make it look like josh is the perp????????
Very very sad indeed, can these days get any worse in what is happening to trusting babies?
Striked lightening, your comment makes a lot of good points. LE, Media and public are so “good” at what we do, no doubt it damages and possibly helps bring added tragic outcome.
Laws allow only so much protection, seemingly none for children.
I’d love to know Zuben’s thoughts on this case. I know very little about it but wonder if the father felt such remorse for the way things turned out he felt there was no other option but to end his life (and the lives of his children). What exactly is a psycho-sexual evaluation, anyhow?
Glad to see others commenting on this case. I’m from WA, and have heard that the house was a rental. Today we found out that at least two large cans of gasoline were found in the house, which were used as an accelerant. This was premeditated, and more emails Josh Powell sent before his death are substantiating that. I feel that these deaths were largely preventable and blogged about this yesterday.
I found a WordPress blog that hasn’t been used in awhile but it says it’s the official blog for Susan’s case: http://heartsknitforsusan.wordpress.com/.
Other relevant sites are:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Susan-Cox-Powell-Foundation/235316293180751#!/pages/The-Susan-Cox-Powell-Foundation/235316293180751?sk=wall&filter=1
http://susancoxpowellfoundation.org/Home.aspx
http://www.facebook.com/angelvigils
“For over four months already, my interactions with my sons and many other aspects of my character have been investigated and documented by” social services, he wrote in an affidavit to the court. “I have proven myself as a fit and loving father who provides a stable home even in the face of great adversity. … It is time for my sons to come home.”
But the judge ruled against him, ordering the children to remain with Susan Powell’s parents, at least until Josh Powell underwent a psycho-sexual evaluation, a process more often used as an assessment tool by courts to determine whether a defendant, largely in sex crimes cases, is likely to reoffend. In this case, the judge ordered it in light of the explicit material found on computers inside Steven Powell’s home that led to his arrest.
They found images on Josh Powells computer also that is why he was suppose to take the physc exam.
I just learned some new information and posted this update on my blog:
Update, 2/6/12: KCPQ is reporting that Charlie and Braden Powell died of axe or hatchet chops to the neck and carbon monoxide poisoning, http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-fiery-explosion-believed-to-have-killed-josh-powell-and-his-2-young-sons-20120205,0,7485907.story. Powell evidently grabbed them and pulled them inside before the social worker could get to the door. Given that she said that just seconds passed before the house exploded, he must have attacked the boys as soon as the door closed.
More evidence has surfaced that the murders were premeditated, including that Josh Powell had prepared over the weekend by donating some of the boys’ toys to charity. He’d also sent emails to people instructing them on what to do after he was dead. Two five-gallon cans of gasoline were found in the house. Chuck Cox has said that Powell thought of the boys as property and that the boys didn’t want to go visit him on Sunday.
msnbc is reporting that Josh’s 2 children had wounds to their necks & heads & that a hatchet was found next to the bodies. What a sick F#$K. I hope he is burning in hell for what he did to his wife & kids.
WTF has law enforcment been doing???? THis is so sad, and those poor boys……….
Hi Sam! Since you asked the question I have been reading non-stop!! It appears that this test is used on convicted sexual offenders! Part of the test includes a ‘penile plethysmograph’ placing the penis on a monitor and showing graphic images to test erection size!!! The Utah police told Joshs’ psycotherapist that there were some graphic pictures on the Utah computer. Judge Kathrine Nelson ordered Josh to be tested because his father had pictures on his computer. Judge Nelson received low scores from her peers on her evaluation.(She is known for her lack of fairness and lack of compassion and her peers have stated that she is not Judge material!!!) (His lawyer has stated that these were embarrassing pictures but not illegal. more than likely of naked women. According to a defense lawyer in Washington State all of the results from this test would be made public and could be seen on the world-wide web! To me this is an example of a Salem Witch Hunt – his father is the convicted sexual offender not Josh – his father had pictures of females sitting on the toilet and bathing – including underage females. I would like to know how his father obtained those pictures – did he take the pictures or did he receive the pictures! Since Josh frequently e-mailed his lawyer I’m sure that he read some of the nasty things written about him. The Utah police were in town to see his in-laws and have stated that they were hoping that they would be able to find something on Josh. I just don’t know the feeling I get from Josh is that of an injured dog being kicked repeatedly – not very bright but just so sad – I’m rarely wrong on how I read people.(but it is possible!!!)
Anyone have doubts as to why he killed Susa? This is exactly what we have been talking about with the incest issue. Offenders know that they will face a high penalty if proven so they are willing to kill to cover it up. Many professionals have told me that I was lucky to make it out alive, as the victim. At risk for murder by perpetrator, death from the abuse it’s self, or suicide even in childhood.
I have been very affected by this story since yesterday. I had seen most of the headlines about the case because of my twitter timeline. Read most of the articles. I now think that he killed to cover his own and other’s crimes.
Many have expressed concerns over the boys & suffering. I truely don’t believe that they did. The force of the blast should have been instant & the explosion would have done things to the air & breathing issues. Anyway I wanted to reassure them that I feel they didn’t. They had no idea it was comming and had no fear. Reports say they had raced to thier father, excited to see him.
OMG Lisa! What? THe explosion alone would have killed them? I didn’t need to know this.
US News @msnbc
I can’t get the link to post here for some reason
I think Susan was eliminated as she stood in the way of their “Operation”…….She may have started
questioning grandpa’s motives involving the children, and her husband, or even found something
on the home computer,,,,,
Why kill the children? To get rid of the evidence! Perhaps this one is a lot larger than originally
thought? Another one where they overlooked the obvious? I can just spit, yet another botched
investigation?
komonews.com@komonewsReply
Pierce County Medical Examiner says Powell children died of carbon monoxide poisoning, but also had “chopping wounds” to their necks.
The Associated Press@AP
Medical examiner says Powell boys died of ‘chop injuries’ to head, neck, and smoke inhalation: http://apne.ws/zJMcmS -VW
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/06/10330665-officials-powell-children-had-head-and-neck-wounds
GCG, he should have never been allowe visitation with them after child porn was found on the home computer. ANY home computer of any home they lived or stayed at. IMO
Lisa, I wanted to say it wasn’t that I doubted your report, just that I can’t believe he wouldn’t just let the blast kill them if he was going to do it.
If I were the grandparents I’d be screaming from the roof top , demand a public firing
for all involved of the decision making in this case…
More on the Powell murders
http://www.king5.com/
HGM I know honey no worries here about you. I’m just trying to post what I can find
I’m afraid that now the LE “case closed”!! Not so fast, they have some REAL investigation to do. Josh and the babies are gone, BUT please don’t think this is it, you can just wash your hands of it?? Why hasn’t anyone in the media AND investigators been keeping the boys safe, while investigating Josh’s Dad and the neighbors. Was anyone investigated, OTHER than for 2 years, having a person of interest.
And Susan’s family had better keep the heat on too. Susan is still somewhere!
I am outraged over this lapse. In Florida supervised visitation takes place at the CPS offices or a city park approved by CPS & CPS workers are deputy sheriff’s. Not some outsourced idiots.
IMO this is going to change laws like the OJ trial did for domestic violence cases & I hope it does!
Lisa, I so agree. Aja Johnson’s case closed as soon as she and her murderer’s bodies were found. There was some backlash for the investigators but nothing substancial.
I pray this doesn’t happen with the Powell case as well.
Rugen Team Investigations, LLC Missouri Private Investigator
Having worked for the Mo Dept of Social Services, #JoshPowell could have had visitation at a neutral site.
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for all involved of the decision making in this case…
I meant to say for all involved in the decision making.
What happened to old fashioned police work?
Kyron, Caylee, Jennifer Kesse, we can go on and on.
Blink on Crime posted some crucial info on the Kesse Case. Another case
gone unsolved with plenty of evidence overlooked IMOO…….
Your right GCG it sure doesn’t seem like LE is busting their azzes looking for any of these people & kids that are missing. They have the unlimited funds & time for these searches but they’d rather spend their time giving out tickets, busting people who smoke pot & harassing the hookers.
It took Americas Most Wanted to find Elizabeth Smart & she was out in the wide open not even hiding her
They got all that $ from HLS to fight terrorists & what did they do with it? Buy tanks for bomb threats that take 1/2 a day to get to where they need it, instead of putting it into the communitys so people don’t have to steal to eat & pay their bills. I’ve been watching the waste for years & It makes me so mad I could spit nails.
You are right Lisa, writing tickets etc is more profitable than investigating the real perps. If they toook more time investigating the A’s i’m sure Caylee would have her justice by now. They took the easy way out……IMOO
Public pressure could prevail……..Maybe the occupy movement is a good idea. Just occupy the courts, LE etc and demand change, especially pertaining to cases such as this
The PROBLEM with Criminals is that they eventually foil all attempts to stop them. They find a way around all of the safeguards to achieve their goal. IF Josh had been limited to Neutral location visits, he most likely would have silenced his sons via a visit to the Cox residence. Possibly killing ALL of the witnesses.
We all take our shoes off for inspection at airports because of the “Shoe bomber”….. even though there may Never be another shoe bomb !
I believe CPS really dropped the ball on this one. The warning signs were obvious, and the case should have been “red flagged” for special attention, The unfortunate agent of the court may not have even been aware of the high profile nature of this case.
Josh Powell was a coward, he killed his sons, and most likely his wife, to protect his sorry @$$ .
I am not a conspiracy theorist, but there are still some unanswered questions for me….. Has the “Adult male” body been forensically identified as Josh?
Why did he use an ax or hatchet first?
Were the Gas cans and accelerants ready to light when the social worker got there?
Why was there 5 minutes from arrival of the children to the explosion?
The social worker says that she smelled “Gas” ,I’m assuming that means gasoline, what other accellerants were used?
Why was he trying to destroy the whole house?
Was this explosion “Detonated” or “Lit”?
I sure hope that was Josh Powell in that house, and not another Victim
And maybe I.m way off track, but the reporting on this tragedy has been “shoddy”, (as Werner Spitz would say)
I had thought she meant Natural Gas that she smelled. That’s why I thought it would have been an instantaneous death. I must have been wrong because Josh died of Carbon Monoxide poisoning instead of the blast. Ok, they are already reporting how Josh died, ie : autopsy report. If so they had to have already made a positive ID on his body.
Hi all. What a horrible story. Thanks for the article, JB. I barely know anything about this case and wish I had time now to look closer at it. I am on overload right night though, so have only skimmed through what is here. Keep up the good work all. Bringing attention to things causes energy to flow, hopefully in a better direction. Where thought goes, energy flows. Have a great day. Sending love out to all who are in process of healing.
JFC,
A lot of good question, again I feel this is a lot bigger than originally thought…..
The way it went down seemed like an organized “Hit”
But then again, if Josh’s intentions were to stiffle his own children
why that way, kind of elaborate however if we’re talking mentally disturbed
then enough said. Still doesnt excuse the fact that CPS etc screwed up royally
strikedlightning
February 6, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Read your post with interest. I believe there is more to this story than meets the eye. The Father in law is who worries me. His remarks about Josh’s wife. His computer with the images on it. Josh’s demeanor through this whole thing. Was Josh the driving force in this situation or was his father? Was he victimized by his father? Did his father kill his daughter in law? I don’t know, it just seems to have loose ends and more questions than just a simple “husband kills wife” situation to me.
Was there anyone else in that house? Did the CPS worker actually see Josh or did she just see the kids being pulled inside and the door slammed and locked? The fact that the kids were hit with a hatchet is what is throwing me into a tizzie here. Up until now, even if Josh did kill his wife, he seemed to love his kids and they loved him. I could accept the fact that a depressed man who killed his wife could take his kids lives and his own but really, really question that he would brutalize them in such a way. Yes, blowing them up is brutal but it is instantaneous with little suffering. Hitting them more than once with a hatchet is bloody and painful for a period of time. Also, they died of carbon monoxide poisoning and blows from the hatchet, not from the blast or fire? That would indicate getting to a protected place away from the initial blasts – huh? I want to know if there were any injuries to Josh. I want to see the autopsy report. My int ital reaction was the same as everyone else until these “weird” facts started emerging.
Is this another case of LE deciding who was guilty and focusing exclusively on that person? If there are oddities (like ax blows and carbon monoxide poisoning, not the blasts and fire) will LE investigate this or just say “We solved it, done case” like they normally do?
Just questioningm not saying it isn’t what it is. That’s all folks!
The father-in-law was arrested for having photos of neighbourhood kids as well as other child porn, I believe.
I wonder if Josh Powell couldn’t face the abuse he’d endured at the hands of his father and the pressure was too much. Maybe he felt his kids were better off dead than to have to face what had happened to them one day. I can’t help but be reminded of Andrea Yates, who killed her children because she felt she had screwed them up so badly they needed to go to heaven. I definitely think it takes a lot of mental illness to murder your child.
That psycho-sexual evaluation seems very frightening. If he truly was a victim of his own father, it seems beyond cruel.
Hi everyone… Boy this is one sad story. I do have a question for everyone though which is at the end of this comment.
Noni – The father of Josh has me wondering too. When I heard his initial interview, it blew me away. It was one strange interview!
He gives motive to his son Josh by implying Susan was in love with him. Even though he thought he helped by saying she may have ran off with someone, he inevitably made things worse. Josh loses his kids after the search of his father’s home which took place a few days after the interview. Prior to this, I wondered too, if he was the one who killed Susan but I don’t think he was even around that night.
Another weird aspect is that it was reported that human remains were found near Topaz Mountain in Ely Nevada, 30 miles from where Josh went camping. Apparently, dogs hit on a spot. A huge search took place and then it was reported that there were NO human remains after all, only a burned log with the scent of human remains. It wasn’t made clear why it was first reported that human remains were found and then why suddenly, there were no human remains. I suppose the media became overzealous? I don’t know.
After Josh Powell’s father’s home was searched (after the interview) and he was arrested, the children were placed in the care of Susan’s parents. It was reported that the children were reluctant in discussing anything relating to their mother. But over time, they became more comfortable and began discussing that night in question. ( Doesn’t this sound all to familiar to another case we discuss here.) Anyhow, one of the children drew a picture depicting their mom in the trunk of the minivan refering to it as the night they went camping. I think this was about a week ago. Now I have a question for you all: does a minivan have a trunk? Im not calling the little ones liars or anything like that so please don’t misunderstand me but I have a large family and have owned minivans in the past none of which had a trunk. ( We did own later models though because we buy used.)
My husband and i are racking our brains trying to think of a model with trunk? The only thing we can think of is the place in the back where you put a spare tire but that would mean the person would have to be very small to fit in that. The children reported that mommy and daddy got out of the van and walked somewhere yet mommy didn’t come back. I know children get confused but the trunk seems to be a very specific detail. Do any of you know whether minivans are made with a trunk? This may be a silly detail I’m focusing in on – I don’t know…
I wanted to provide some links for the info about the remains almost being found and the charred wood which was found. i apologize for not posting these links before:)
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705390879/Human-remains-found-during-Susan-Cox-Powell-search.html?s_cid=s10
http://abcnews.go.com/US/susan-powell-search-human-remains-announcement-mistaken-officials/story?id=14525301#.TzFnAOT09cg
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52624724-78/dna-powell-wood-police.html.csp
As mentioned above there were too many warning signs: Josh giving away his children’s belongings, transfering his money to a family member; he was getting his affairs in order. Some would call these behaviors, “cries for help” even.
Also, the children have stated that “mommy is in the mine” but the family did go looking for gems in that mountain area so perhaps the children are mixing up details.
noni- it would be a travesty if the father had something to do with susan’s murder….
lolypop – good point – a body hasn’t been found. They need to keep looking!
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Search-for-answers-continues-after-fire-kills-Susan-Powell-family-138778774.html
Sonja,
My husband and I asked the same. An SUV with a trunk? I don’t know, I’ve never had one, but this case is just SAD!! THe boys should have still been safe. The Cox’s, everyone missed this Josh was SICK!
I know Lolipop – the trunk – I hope someone here helps us with that question:)
It’s unspeakable. The horror that these boys witnessed for the last year and moments before… God bless the Cox family.
I just wonder why he has custody or visitation at all… is there a greater danger to the kids than knowing their dad might have killed their mom?
Hi wildninja,
Welcome to theJBMission. Thank you for all of the links to this case. Like Eagle, I wasn’t too familiar with this case either.
What I find odd is that Josh, in all of his communication prior to the explosion to family and friends that he didn’t mention Susan.
He didn’t deny or admit killing her. Was he so evil that he wanted to leave the world thinking he was innocent? Hmm… I’d love to read his psychological profile.
Thanks. I found that his sister had asked the court for psychological testing.
Could “Mommy is in the Trunk” mean a Steamer Trunk ? as opposed to a vehicle Trunk?
http://www.kimatv.com/news/local/Warrant-Josh-Powell-withdrew-7000-day-before-fatal-fire-138899894.html
INTERESTING….. And to HGM , if it weren’t for that “Twilight Zone” episode I watched about 50 years ago, I would think nothing of it.
I know that victim ID is the first item on the checklist during an autopsy, I just want to see it in print that this creep is off of my earth !
A teacher was arrested in the City for having pornography on his pc and lude photos of some of his students. He was thrown in jail, but was released on 100k bail. Now, where the heck did this teach ass’t get 100k or who bailed him out>? Someone linked to a child porn operation???? I think it’s bigger than we know…Sickos
GCG-yes! It is bigger than we can even imagine! Even in LE and the judicial system (as well as schools, disney world, etc). The Disney world pedophile reports are one of the things that made me suspect GA because he wanted to work there as a roaming character.
That “in the trunk” statement got to me also! Never heard a mini van with a trunk. Have seen many shows on TV that show a dead body “in the trunk”. Wonder how much suggestion/pressure (understandable) the grandparents put on those boys? Plus you know that “little pictures have big ears” and I am sure they heard adults in the grandparents home discussing every fear of theirs.
What concerns me is if the father in law did this and was abusive to Josh and controlled him enough to keep him quiet – did he arrange a hit because Josh was going to come clean? Or the kids were beginning to talk? I only ask this because it seems so odd to me that Josh used a hatchet on those kids. Why such a brutal, hurtful attack? He seemed to love them and there was never any talk about him being hurtful to them in the past. Drowning, pills etc. I could see but a hatchet? Just strikes me as totally weird! Why set up an explosive fire situation and then obviously get everyone to some protected place away from the fire? Remember, they all dies from smoke inhalation and the boys also from the hatchet blows – not directly from the explosive fire’
There is just something weird/off about this while scenario. Could Josh have told his father he was going to “come clean” about the whole thing (maybe he was only an accomplice to his wife’s murder by helping his father by getting rid of the body?) and was getting ready to turn himself in (getting his affairs in order) and the Father wanted to make sure that didn’t happen? Sure do want to see if Josh had any hatchet wounds on him!
I am probably was off base here but am just stuck on the hatchet thing. I have problems because I see two sides to a coin in most situations and rarely just jump to a conclusion. Makes it hard with making decisions too! LOL-it’s my cross to bear!
Nice to see some new people here!
Such a tragic, sad case to discuss, huh? My heart breaks for those boys and the grandparents!
Noni,
I am the same way. lol
I hear it but don’t believe it until proven. THe hatchett?? WHY ????
Again to make them more furious at Josh. Couldn’t anyone see in the last two years,
a shallow, empty man? Damn after hearing his watch it call it FATHER, anything could have happened.
THe sheriff says don’t use the word tragic. He can’t say we don’t think it’s tragic, terribly tragic. THe sheriff says let’s call it what it what it is evil.
What took them so long to REALLY investigate someone other than Josh was worse. THey neglated so much!
THE FATHER? PLEASE? Like my husband said finally!
We may never hear anymore about it. The Father child porn? IT is a huge business. That’s why the LE leaves them alone. They want to act like this was so unexpected.
Something is wrong with the whole picture. THe boys were 3 and 5, old enough to know what happened two years ago. AND now they say that they were getting at the time to talk? WTH??
THey can say all of the BS, now that they’re all gone.
Evil is not being direct with the people.
No one thought he would hurt his kids in 2 years. WHY NOW?
We can be considerate of those in law enforcement but there are a lot of INDIVIDUALS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, who are NOT doing their job. The saying goes, “NOT MY JOB” let someone else do it. I have many times heard, well I thought so and so was taking care of it, or geez didn’t THEY get back to you, pass the buck! No way should this man have not been under the most intense watch, no way should he have had those children alone. For crap’s sake he was the ONLY suspect in the disappearance of their mother. MY GOD! Yes, this horrible act taking the lives of the sweet and innocent, should never have happened, it could have been prevented
very easily. Where children are involved, the most important consideration should be for them, no excuses, no law favoring any parent, or the like, should ever be regarded as necessary to be upheld over the safety of children as it is in this “pre-meditated” murder. Like everyone else, if he could be so gruesome in his killing, I wonder what Susan really suffered, I wonder if there was any of her blood on the hatchet. I wonder if they will even check it out. Undoubtedly she is dead, what a horrible thought as to what he might have said and did to her, making her suffer
by maybe telling her he was going to kill the boys too. Sorry to write such uncomfortable stuff but this is all a reality, in another state, but as real as if it was happening right next door.
What about the judge that let him have the children, what kind of brain does he have????
OK they are all human but they sure do have responsibility in what happened to these children.
sonja
February 7, 2012 at 12:51 pm
I think it is just a linguistics question. If the family called the far back area of the van (Where there are no seats and people normally put groceries like the trunk of a car),the “trunk” then question answered. Our family called the middle seats , the “middle” and the seat behind them the “way back” and the “trunk” we called ” the way, way back”. Also some vans, especially conversion vans have a platform over the “trunk” area thus making an enclosed area in the far back of the van. This could be called “the trunk”. Even further we may be considering words no used by the boys at all and only specifically used by couselors or others.
JFC
February 8, 2012 at 1:21 am
I can certainly understand. Has there been any further word on how they ID him? It’s an odd situation for sure.
nonifirst
February 8, 2012 at 12:26 pm
I’ve been thinking about it and wondering if he used the hatchet to make sure they didn’t feel the flames? IDK, none of it makes any sense to me.
HGM,
You mean as if he was protecting them with the hatchet? Hmmm.
IMO,
I think the trunk and hatchet make no sense whatsoever. What was the hatchet used for? You can really feel cuts on you from it? I thought at first hearing this that they emplyed mutalation. Of course none of it make any sense at all.. The LE say they were treating Susan’s missing as murder from the beginning. OH REALLY??? I know we’re not prevy to everything, BUT if they were and thought that JOsh did it, he was free, unlike Casey being charged with stealing, but not time for such as they say. If so 3 years? REALLY?? 3 years for what? waiting trial, if so why wasn’t the only suspect here in jail waiting trial?
So, I wonder IF they even thought it was murder, WHY were they looking for a body? IS someone going to pay for their searching??
They say that the boy said his Mom was in the trunk, but yet the boys also say that they got out of the car and Mommy got lost? If any of you have or have had 3 and 5 year olds, they would know what happened, IF they saw it.
I thought this was interesting. At least I didn’t get it. THe lady from the CPS, knew the kids and their dad well, so why did she say in the 911 call that a man grabbed them and shut the door? Why not say his father grabbed them?
Also the 911 operator said something as IF this wasn’t an emergency.
You know kids have called 911 and saved someone’s life, so why was this operator so nonchalant?
I’m not taking up for anyone or blamimg any right now. Many things that I don’t understand at all. They showed a video of the boys in the backyard with their Dad, but the neighbors thought the house was vacant or abandoned???
I have a hard time understanding the hatchet marks too. Do we know for certain that is true? After what happened to Casey, I am reluctant to believe anything I read in the media.
Sam,
I’m with you. It’s bad we can’t one damn thing from the media, plus the LE.
THey all lie to cover themselves. To hell with the truth. THey don’t know the truth, don’t care if they’ve got the facts right at all.
I would like to tell that sheriff, that THAT is what I call evil.
hello missionites
just wanted to swing by and say hello to everyone and welcome all newcomers,
still yet to catch up with ya alls posts but as always awesome post to expose some of these most tragic cases JB
what a sad sad story and chain of events, my heart bleeds for those that have lost so much… what a shame
Hi Spidey, : )
Hope you’re better, missed you!
Yes, very sad, tragic cases.
It’s really unthinkable!
I’ve known for some time that Josh Powell was unbalanced by incest. While many of us experience the terrible life-changing thing that is incest we are able to maintain. Josh was not. How do I know? He did the one thing that is very common amonst incest survivors….only survivors who have JOINED the pedophile ranks or wants to. He either offered his wife to his Father, the Patriarch & “clan” head or turned a blind eye to his father’s advances upon her.
Spidey!!! So glad you’re back! You have been missed woman!
Well, I sorta wanted to clairify what I meant above about “protecting them from the flames”.
For some people the thought of burning to death is the worst for them. Nothing, nothing comes close. Slow, agonizing death= burning. Neck artery severed (if hit) woudl be a quick, less painless death. I meant that of course, none of it makes sense but if he was hell-bent to do it the hatchet was meant to make their deaths quick & less painfull.
I’m convinced Josh was just one messed up individual who is a pos coward
Who should’ve been stopped years ago imoo
Radio is lowering the BOOM on Holly B. It proves to get interesting & serious tonight & into tomorrow. Radio claims KP knows what is going on with the obscene, disgusting twitter accounts and she is NOT happy and talk about the statute of limitations of the attempted extortion.
RadioNewzBlog
Kim Picazio let you slide – and still you couldn’t stop.. how many enablers will go down with you Holly? Just asking! 1 min ago.
micki @orlandomicki
Chat House News: Worker: Josh Powell told son he had ‘surprise’ http://bit.ly/xODBgY
Chat House News: Police search landfill for Josh Powell paperwork http://bit.ly/yiEYwu
Police said a tip that was received after Powell triggered an explosion at his home Sunday that killed him and his two sons led them to the landfill.( from link above)
GCG,
In pictures before Susan went missing, they looked like a normal family.
Nothing is normal anymore.
When the reporters spoke with him at any time that I saw after that he was
like a shell.
WE never heard much about Susan because the media wanted to keep it on the TRIAL of the Century.
Learn more about Josh Powell and Susan Powell on “Sins of the Father” on “20/20″ Friday at 10 p.m. ET. #findsusan
Ruth@BuBu1002
RT @BreakingNews: Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket Powell boys’ funeral; Occupy Seattle planning counter-prot… http://bit.ly/Atr0EC
In a later tweet referencing a story about Washington legalizing same-sex marriage, Phelps wrote “This is why God’s cursed you w Josh Powells blowing up kids.”
Word of Westboro’s plans spread quickly online and Occupy Seattle sounded a call for its members to counter protest the church. The group’s Facebook page said the church “has decided to capitalize on these sad events by bringing their unique brand of hate to Washington.”
Occupy Seattle said its members don’t intend to disrupt the funeral, but want to “protect it from Westboro’s abhorrent message.”
Westboro is a small church known for its extreme stance against homosexuality. Its members have gained infamy by protesting funerals of American soldiers and celebrities.
Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/08/2018371/westboro-church-to-picket-powell.html#storylink=cpy
Holly,
These people have nothing better to do than seek attention in the worst way. I think they should be hauled off for disturbing the peace.
They know that they are just dumb and ignorant, but why should they keep trying to prove it over and over again?
I hope the media ignores them completely!
Well between the Bikers and the Occupy people maybe they will be forced far away!
Wow, there’s some lively discussion on this blog. I’m not happy to hear that the Westboro Baptist people will be coming to this event. That is beyond inappropriate. I’ve had some choice words for them before at http://wildninja.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/snyder-v-phelps-pt-1/ and http://wildninja.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/snyder-v-phelps-part-2/. They are misrepresenting my faith and even though I respect their freedom of speech, they are infringing on others’.
Someone made a comment on this thread about the media. The media has already promoted one bad stereotype through this story, saying Josh Powell “just snapped.” No one just snaps. There are almost always warning signs as I said on my post on the subject. We are learning more and more information that proves there were multiple red flags in the days leading up to this event– loss of custody, the police in Utah contacting DSHS here about the kids’ safety, a $7000 bank withdrawal, Powell donating his kids’ toys and books to charity, the purchase of two 5 gallon cans of gas, statements made, and on the list goes. Reporters often don’t understand the psychology or motivations behind such acts and say some funny things to get people’s attention.
Let’s hope Saturday’s event is truly a tribute to these two boys and doesn’t turn into a brawl over politics.
Hey wildninja . I totally agree with you about media stating that josh powell ” Just snapped”. It is akin to saying”he/she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time”. It minimallizes the true story.
Josh did NOT JUST SNAP, he Planned this murder for days. He must have had a very busy Saturday…withdrawing 7 grand from his BofA account, buying 10 gallons of premium, and making a trip to the recycling center / landfill.
Josh also had to plan the timing of the emails and voicemails,if they are sent too early there is a chance that authorities could intervene.
Josh had probably studied the social workers promptness, and her willingness to let the children walk ahead of her… I believe that the axe was to be used if the worker was able to enter the house. He also needed it to subdue his sons while he spread the gasoline throughout the house . He had to make every second count, I wonder if the gas was poured before the boys arrived, or if it was done after they were locked in?. The timing must have been planned for any eventuality.
Still trying to catch up…. I wonder if the trunk the boys were talking about was the back hatch? I know I had one on my mini van yrs ago. Just a thought. I do know too that I have a 6 yr old and 2 1/2 yr old grandsons, and the oldest is starting to forget things about being younger that he rembered last summer. LOL, old age I guess lol. But I do know that the lil one as well as the older, remb things and sometimes get some things intertwined. (the older with older things, not recent). But then too, my babies havent had to endure the horrors that these babies have. I too dont understand how quick it blew up. That poor CPS lady. Miracle she is alive too. I find it strange too all the forehand things Josh did telling of his goodbys. Maybe its in hindsight we know this.
In speaking with Spidy last night, lol, I read her JB’s article before my charger messed up, And we were wondering if possible that Susan possibly caught someone doing something to the boys or found the stuff on the comp and thats why she disappeared. I guess this has been though and talked about, just wondering too….
Reminds me of the lady Michelle Parker….wonder if any new updates?
Graham, Wash. – The case worker who brought Josh Powell’s children to his home for a supervised visit said he told them he had a “surprise” prior to killing them and himself inside the house.
Elizabeth Griffin-Hall said during an interview to air Friday night on ’20/20′ that after Charlie, 7, and Braden, 5, entered the house on Sunday, Feb. 5, Josh slammed the door on her and locked it. She then heard him tell the eldest child, “I’ve got a big surprise for you,” as the younger child cried. http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/case-worker-before-killing-sons-josh-powell-told-them-he-had-surprise?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
Gonna try and rest my eyes. Prayers for peaceful rest to you ALL! Prayers for each of you with special needs at this time! Hugs and much love, Mimi
OMG Telling children “I’ve Got a Big Surprise For You”! We know children usually look for the good in a remark like that. How utterly evil. This alone has brought me to believe that it was Josh alone who planned and executed. Josh’s father undoubtedly was a great influence in his
acquired personality which must have included hate for women. I say this because a man who uses pornography and children as “things” “objects” wouldn’t have the sensitivities it includes to be a loving, caring, protective person. Poor poor babies, who knows what they, including Susan might have been subjected to other than the old man’s attempts to cover her. I do think because of the father Josh may have come to blame and hate Susan even more, therefore did something horrible to her. To taunt, hack, burn his children leads me to believe he didn’t just
kill Susan, but made her suffer horribly.
I am trying to understand correctly, the children had described they and their father were in the car and Susan was in the “trunk”, I suspect she may have already been murdered at home before going “camping” however, they did also indicate that daddy and mommy went and mommy didn’t come back. Sounds like she walked, he could have carried her. I’m sure she
did everything he said do for the sake of her sons.
No one has any other clues, no one could get into the mind of Josh, my thoughts are based on news reports .
We dont hear anything about Josh’s mother. I wonder what happened with her?
GCG I have asked the same question, apparently she left Josh’s father because of his interest in pornography. That’s all I ever seen mentioned. I guess she is living. Seems odd that there would not be an interview with her. Of course that is her right. Noticeably absent from all this but I can imagine the pain having to learn facts of the son’s actions.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powell-threatened-mother-knife-90s-era-court/story?id=15544558
Why do we hear this NOW? Yeah, there were red flags for 2 years all over the place, but some people in the LE, what were they doing? THis was a dangerous situation. I’m not taking up for Josh, but WHY didn’t the LE see what we’re seeing and what we will continue to see in the future.
THe media has a one track mind. All of them that knew him and his background bear some resonsibility for it. Look at Andrea Yates. LIke the body gets sick so does the mind. People tend not to pay much attention when someones mind isn’t well.
Thanks for adding that link lolypop, I saw another small interview withTerrica Powell,Josh’s mother, where she says that Josh crushed his sister’s hamster against its cage , killing it right in front of the sister. All of the usual markers were there for a sadistic killer in the making. Josh seemed to be very short tempered as a teen , and it surprises me that he didn’t have any criminal record at the time of Susan’s disappearance.
I’m still wondering about the $7,000 he withdrew from the bank on Saturday… where did it go?
I think Braden Powell, if he were alive today would draw us a picture of the “Trunk” that mommy was in… A rectangular box with hinges and a lid.
She was apparently alive when they reached the “Campground” , because the boys say that mommy and daddy “Walked away”.
I don’t know how Josh could have “Convinced” Susan to get into a trunk… Maybe he told her he had a “Surprise” for her.
This guy is just too creepy for words.
hello folks, hope your all doing well
trying to keep up with you all, it is way to hard i am still at mega slow pace..and dammit i hit the three week mark still up in this hospital room grrrrrrr
but i do send my best to you all
miss you all
lolypop, it is true it does make a person wonder, why if the signs… but i think it is so common for folks today to make idle threats and never follow thru, like common place to use the term, i am gonna kill u, or similar words, that it is hard to judge or determine who is really a person that would actually go thru with it… good lawd i even hear kids say that to one another, and young ones too, it is crazy if u ask me, but i am sure i have been guilty of doing it myself at some point, but i never ever ever meant anything by it at all…just like a expression of sorts, i guess in hindsight not such a good expression…
i had this le tell me once, you know, i can’t go around locking folks up who threatened their spouses or family/friends, cuz the jails would be full… i said really? u mean it is common for folks to say i am gonna kill you and other harsh threatening things to their wives or husbands? and he said, yes, it is more common then you would ever think, so i would think that in cases like this, it is truly up to the family who are around them daily to keep their eye on things and take necessary steps if they see this going beyond just idle threats… most officers don’t have that daily interaction to really get a grasp of the entire personality of these crazy folks who kill then commit suicide… i mean unless they lived next door or spent their time getting many many calls about this man, how could they know…
a very sad situation all around isn’t it lolypop? but i gotta tell u, no matter how many times i see it, or hear it, these types of acts of cruelty, i will NEVER get used to it, it will always and forever make me sad and just so angry at just how awful, nasty and just down right evil people can be to others…
i mean wow, just wow… sad to say it, but i have been finding myself saying this way too often anymore… what the fuck is wrong with people ???!!!!
count your blessings and treasure those you love,
xoxo to all missionites and yes, even to you lurkers
I think a missing wife, and a huge wet spot in the livingroom , with a fan blowing on it, documents about Josh’s threats, and evidence of porn etc is more than enough to put him away.. How much more did they need?
They totally screwed up in this case, and I hold whoever lacked common judgement just as responsible. They had every sign this man was totally unstable….Sure sign is his wife is missing……Hello people! The grandparents need to act on this one, obtain a good attorney who is not afraid to go after the so called system and hold those responsible , starting with LE……..IMOO
I think a missing wife, and a huge wet spot in the livingroom , with a fan blowing on it, documents about Josh’s threats, and evidence of porn etc is more than enough to put him away.. How much more did they need?
The grandparents need to obtain a lawyer and hold those responsible for not protecting those children….Instead of sitting on TV and talking what if….
oopss,,,,,,sorry about double posting. Lost the first one, thought it didnt go through.
Comment,
It looks like Susan died in her home , there’s evidence in the livingroom pointing to something happening….So whatever the kids were saying , someone may have been filling their heads. I dont know how they would remember anyway since it was 3 yrs ago…..IMOO
heya GCG!!! super sweet to see you…
and yes i do agree if all the records indicated this behavior and the department knew this guy well then absolutely they should have had their eyes and ears to the pavement on his actions 24/7, that i do agree with also,
but the family should have seriously been more active in making sure that all the departments were sharing their info, expressing that so that little one time incidents didn’t seem as just isolated incidents and were indeed an indicator of the big picture of josh being not so healthy in his mind… not all reports that get entered are necessarily shared or compared to show repeat or dangerous tendencies… if it was a small police department then it would be way easier to notice, but if it were a big one, things like this are just too hard to track… if your too busy worrying about other cases and push this one to the side lines… sad that happens but it does…
not saying i am defending or not defending them, i am just saying, unless a family member forces them to see and link all those incidents together, it would be very hard,
now for lets say our le’s it is a pretty small station, being that it is a small town, so in our case this is def something they would notice in a heartbeat… in any case the grandparents need to look into this for sure that needs to be done..
u know i don’t care how crazy a le would think i was, i would report each incident and make them shine spotlights onto them, and make them see all the warning or red flags that this could very well turn out to not be such a innocent or idle thing going on…
good lord, why this is even something that happens just never seems to stop making me sick to my stomach… some folks no matter what are just insane, and just shouldn’t be left alone with their children… and really, that social worker, i bet, even if she had walked ahead of those dear sweet angel children, i think he was prepared to take that person down too… he had no intentions on letting anyone in that house leave… my heart cries for those grandparents, rest in peace susan and little boy angels…
GCG, i hope your doing good and that all is well with you… great to see you and hope ur afternoon is awesome, time for a nap for me!! hope i made some sense, i am still recuperating so getting down what i think and expressing in words don’t always connect so well… oh the joys of medicine so forgive me in advance if they don’t
be well and many blessings onto you!!
Susan’s father said the older boy drew a picture of the van with them in it and told his teachers that it was a drawing of them all going camping. When the teacher asked ‘Where’s Mommy?’ he pointed to the back of the van (or the trunk).
That seems to make more sense than the kids talking about it. I think kids tend to act things out in play or draw pictures.
I guess Steven Powell is now on suicide watch while in jail.
Either way, I hope some good comes out of this case, meaning changes in the system!…Something has to change. Feel better spider,,,glad you’re back
Sam,
They were witnessess, no wonder Josh the coward took them out…I often wondered how a 2 and 4 yr old would’ve remembered 3 yrs later….I wonder if anything was said about Steve Powell…
Again, this is such a horrible tragedy but from the little bit I know something seems very strange to me. I caught part of a program last night, 20/20, I think and I was shocked by the demeanor of the grandparents. At least part of the interview was very recent, since the death of their grandchildren but they seemed strange, not like grieving grandparents that are aware of the gruesome details of their death. Also, I ran across an emergency protection order that was granted to Josh last August, against Cox, the grandfather. It protected both Josh and the grandchildren. So when did they get custody and how?
JFC,
I heard last night that he withdrew the $7000 for his sister that he was still getting along with. She ALSO called 911 after Josh left a message at 10:30. THat was 2 hours at least earlier. AGAIN, someone dropped the ball.
No Spidey, I don’t mean red flags as a teenager. I mean after Susan went missing, besides the say soon after they were treating it as a murder with only Josh as a suspect. THey really thought that the kids were safe with him WHILE they think he’s a murderer?
BTW, good to see you and glad the meds are working! : )
GCG, EXactly WHY for 2 years, IF they thought he murdered Susan, WHY let him move? IT’s been 2 years. JOsh seemed to be getting worse. THey arrest his DAd for Child porno, but they had Josh’s computer for 2 years, did they find anything on there, OR did they just not give a damn? I do think that at 3 and 5 the kids would have talked. THey are just now talking?
Sam, I know pictures can be the best way at times. BUT, knowing most kids at 3 and 5, they would have been talking right at first, THat’s my opinion. Of course you can’t say what every kid would do. THey did say Steven was on suicide watch.
Zuben, I know most people show different ways of grief, BUT I’m with you. THe 2 boys are with their MOther now in Heaven? I think I would want more LE all over this case. IT shouldn’t be closed by any means. It isn’t over unless someone is covering for someone else.
He could have killed Susan and THEN went camping, Where exactly did he go? TELLING the boys they were going camping (that’s what they remember) Susan’s BODY was probably what they knew was in the “trunk” !! Lot of variations in the scenario of this horrific killing. Did Josh know about the drawing, if he did, then he knew his time was up. How the judge could hand him those children in a private setting is beyond belief. His decision brought their death but he felt his decision was safe because it was then up to the Child Protective Agency to keep them safe. imo.
Would any other murder witnesses be forced to live with the murderer they are to ID?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501363_162-57375384/father-in-law-dragged-deeper-into-powell-saga/
http://www.chathousenews.com/2012/02/detective-reveals-powells-final-hours.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ChatHouseNews+%28Chat+House+News%29
Reading: 20/20 2/10: Sins of the Father Inside the Powell family tragedy, plus the perks of being a ‘Mob Daughter.’ http://t.wbx.me/gdgun
Personally , I believe that this tragedy was set in motion to happen- because of the Judges order for the psycho-sexual evaluation-to me there was no justification for that to be ordered!!! Also, the Coxes lawyer has stated that LE encouraged the Coxes to taunt Josh – to provoke him into a ‘confession’. In fact they were to ‘rev-it-up’ last August which led LE to go into Steven Powells’ home placing him in jail. Read Joshs’ website that he put up for Susan-he sounds ‘disconnected’ some have stated that they think Josh has Aspergers’ Syndrome A little common sense would tell you not to push buttons if you were going to hand over those precious children to the one person that you were ‘provoking’ via media, internet etc.!!! This is such a sad, sad story. Again, I feel that people should look at all aspects of a story and not ingest the rumors and gossip as that leads into how the absolute truth is hidden.
Good question Holly!!!
JUst heard Mrs. Cox said that the boys didn’t want to go to their see their Dad and she sorry that she coached them into it.
However the last person that was with them, the CPS supervisor that knew Josh and the boys said that the boys were excited to see their Dad, couldn’t wait to get there and jumped out of the car and ran up to the door, she also said that when she picked them up to take them to the Cox’s they were also excited.
Strikedlighting, I have no idea why the judge ordered what she did, I don’t understand why. THe LE had a year and ahlf to check out all that they wanted to during that time and if they thought Josh killed Susan they should have done more. THey did NOTHING!!
NOW, they find out all that they want to and say all that they want to because Josh, Branden and Charlie are dead.
THe media and LE start feeding us bull like everything they say is gospel. I don’t believe any of their crap.
Why aren’t they saying that his sister called 911 at 10:30 that morning? THe damn 911 call, I don’t care how bad that operator feels, he should, asking the damn, stupid questions when time was of the assents.
THe one that feels the worst is the supervisor, WHO tried everything possible, Bless her! I hope that sometimes soon she can realize that.
Strikedlighting, I noticed that too. If Josh was a legitimate person of interest then I don’t think he should or would have been given the restraining order to protect his children from the man that was later given custody. Either the system there is very dysfunctional or something is else is wrong there. I’m getting the impression that this case has been handled much like the Anthony case, as far as media is concerned. Maybe he did kill her or maybe he didn’t but was pushed over the edge. Why would children just now begin to talk? LE never questioned the boys early on? My child at 5 couldn’t remember anything about a major traumatic event that his brother 2 years older remembered well. It is quite common to not remember events before 4 or 5 years old. So I really doubt the youngest remembered that camping trip unless he has an above average abilty to recall things from 3 years old. That 10:30 911 call from his sister should have been taken seriously but is this the same sister that has been speaking out against him? If so, maybe they though it was a girl crying wolf? I haven’t read that much about all the characters in this story to even know if he has more than one sister.
I believe he has at least two sisters…one of them is supportive of him saying he was pushed over the edge. The other sister’s husband has talked and he says Josh only cared about himself. I think the family is pretty split.
Off topic…
I have BREAKING NEWS..CNN has confirmed Whitney Houston is dead at 48
Carry on lol
This news about Whitney has me sad. I used to listen to her cassettes on my walkman while I cleaned houses during college…cleaned a little and danced a little. She had incredible talent, but many demons. RIP
RIP Whitney Houston!! What a shame. I’ll always remember her version of the National Anthem, the best i’ve heard thus far, brought tears to my eyes! I suppose the investigation is still underway….
http://abcnews.go.com/US/josh-powell-threatened-mother-knife-90s-era-court/story?id=15544558
Catch this on the video at 9:32. Did anyone ever hear this before that it was 2010 summer when Branden the younger one drew the picture of the mini van? I thought it was just recently. Summer 2010? I know we will never hear why there wasn’t much alarm at that time. I’ve heard about it only after last week. Why didn’t we hear this before OR why just now. Lot of lies coming from the media, as usual. THe media and the LE will let us know what they want to when they want to.
Sounds like the only one against him in his family is his sister Jennifer Graves and possibly his Mother. His other sister is the one he left the money to and called at 10:30 last Sunday in which she in turn called 911.
GasCanGeorge
February 11, 2012 at 11:42 pm
RIP Whitney Houston!! What a shame. I’ll always remember her version of the National Anthem, the best i’ve heard thus far, brought tears to my eyes! I suppose the investigation is still underway….
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Ditto. “We’ll always love you too Whitney” RIP
HELLO ALL! Watching the GRAMY’s. WoW 50 ys yrs BEACH BOYS! CANT BELIEVE IT! LOVE THEM! You too Whitney. I pray wasnt drug related.Too much of that, and hate people are remb for stuff like that. OK going to catch up! HUGS!
I was unable to watch the special on Friday. I am wondering if some of the problems with this in the big picture is because things happened in 2 diff states, none the less? I am not fully caught up on everything, I was aware of some things. Dang, not having cable lol, you do miss out on alot
. But I just wonder about the jurisdiction thing, That could bring about its own problems with LE. Even if the FBI was involved. JMOO of course, ok back to reading…
This is such a sad and yet heart warming story. Made me cry for sure…
http://www.todaysthv.com/news/article/195743/288/Induced-labor-allows-dying-Texas-man-see-daughter-?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p
LOL X 14
THIS IS TOOOO FUNNY! YEP HE SURE SHOWED ME WHAT KIND OF MAN HE IS
off of Ole Jeffy ASSton’s official fb pg..
Lynn Whiteman
Most politcians (and candidates) just talk talk talk. Jeff Ashton has SHOWN us by his actions what kind of man he is.
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Linda Holland Yes but are so much dirty politics, I just have to have faith !!!
13 hours ago
Saw this posted, address to Susan Powells parents
HERE THE ADDRESS IF ANY ONE WANTS TO SEND A CARD
MR&MRS CHUCK COX
LIFE CENTER CHURCH
1717 S. UNION AVE.
TACOMA WA 98401
Search resumes at recycling center in case of Josh Powell
Published February 13, 2012
| Associated Press
They also located a storage locker where Powell had stashed a comforter that tested positive for the presence of blood in an initial test. Further lab tests are pending.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/12/search-resumes-at-recycling-center-in-case-josh-powell/#ixzz1mFWZdxWM
Hi Arkansasmimi,
It’s a little disturbing to me that a volunteer found blood on a comforter. How did this get pass LE?
It’s like everything in this case walked like a duck, YKWIM..husband takes kids out camping in the middle of the night, wife disappears at the same time.
I’m wondering why no one located this storage locker before?
I imagine had LE found this storage locker they would have found this comforter w/blood. If the blood is Susan’s, this would have been cause for Josh’s arrest.
After hearing that the Cox’s were asked to cause problems for Josh, I get the feeling that LE got a little lazy similar to what happened in the Anthony case. I’m thinking it wasn’t a good idea to push the buttons of a man suspected of killing his wife.
I really hope this blood doesn’t belong to Susan.
Hi everyone,
Well, looks like the LE is doing more investigating, “however minute” than ever since DEc. 2009.
FRom the beginning they said there were wet spots on the carpet with fans blowing on them. If they did believe Josh was a person of interest, only suspect, why not check the carpet.
Susan had been in the house,since last seen, so they could have checked the whole house at that time. The picture was drawn by Braden in the summer of 2010, why didn’t the check, the so-called trunk at that time. As far as I know, nothing was investigated that I remember, just searches out in the woods and camping area for Susan.
I think that the blood spot could have been from anything.
THey searched Casey’s house, and car and backyard.
THey have said since she was missing Josh was the only person of interest, NOW because he blew the house up PLUS the terrible terrible tragedy, that confirmed they were right.
However theyre going to say now the father-in-law is MAYBE a person of interest.
What has the LE done in the last 26 months in their “investigation”?
A lil Valentine Day pic for yall!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=271887896216270&set=o.223414024354603&type=3&theater
Ole Jeffy is back in the courtroom
http://www2.tbo.com/news/news/2012/feb/15/casey-anthony-prosecutor-defending-son-on-dui-char-ar-359004/
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/15/10418602-police-buy-cemetery-plots-to-block-josh-powell-from-being-buried-next-to-his-boys
Police buy up cemetery plots to prevent Josh Powell from being buried next to his sons.
OK, I agree with the anger felt by the Police Dept. (and all who have read about this tragedy), but I feel that it is “Too little, Too late”. Where were the Detectives and the police when Josh was buying 10 gallons of gasoline, or cleaning out his bank account? Why did they not know that this rental house was a set-up, and not actually where Josh was living.? Why did they not have any idea about a storage locker with a bloody comforter?
Some of the funds for the purchase of the plots is coming from the Pierce County “Crimestoppers” fund . I’m not sure that is what the donors had in mind .
It seems to be another case of vindictive punishment that covers up for bad police work.
Where is Columbo when we need him ? It seems that detectives these days aren’t a sharp as they used to be.
I guess that means they have decided what they think the truth is and now they are going to flaunt it. I have never heard of Police buying up cemetary lots in my life. That is way out of their jurisdiction.
I am so worried that the same type of thing is going to happen in the M Parker case. Police are gathering evidence and at some point, they are going to release some of it. He has the kids and it is a scarey situation as far as I am concerned.
After re-reading the article , I see that they plan to have a special fund on crimestoppers to pay for the plots. Along with money donated by the Police chief. They will NOT be using money already collected.
The Cox family is fully behind this move, The Powell family plans to fight it in court.
Sadly, the courts were unable to deny Powell his parental visits in life, I do not think they will succeed in keeping the family apart in death.
I wonder if there is any precedent for this Cemetery “Chess game”
I think it is just a dirty way of giving the official message that he is guilty and without a trial. Without a trial, we will never know. Open and shut case at this point, but what if there was a real culprit that killed her and framed him? How would we know either way?
NTS, Exactly !!!
It shows me that on closer examination , There is MUCH MORE to any criminal case than meets the eye. How many people have been wrongly convicted because it was “Obviously” them?
I still feel that Steven Powell has a big part in this case.
I hadn’t been keeping up with the Michele Parker case…. Lots of coincidences there !
And lots of familiar names too…..Tim Miller , Mark NeJame , Morgan & Morgan,….
I wonder if Yuri Mellich will show off his awesome interview techniques?
JFC and Comment,
When sheriff Troyer and the POwell’s said it summed it up that when Josh set the house on fire that he was guilty of whatever happened to Susan, I figured then that the “investigation’ into whatever happened to Sausan was OVER.
Troyer wants to talk evil, then he in this case is acting evil, that includes the pastor, IMO!!!
Where do they plan on burrying Josh?
If I were Josh’s brother and had the money, I would purchase the plot for 4 in case they find Susan dead.
I guess it’s up to them to think they’re doing something now in which they never did.
NOW, playing God is going to get them nowhere. You can put them in different counties or states, but where they are now together won’t matter.
People amaze me!
What are they thinking with? How do they come to conclutions, without a “real investigation.” ?
What were they investigating before the death of Braden,Charles and Josh.
Since Josh planned it all so well, are they sure he doesn’t have a place to bury them?
Sorry, NTS,
I guess I got you mixed up with Comment.
Anyway I do agree with you on the Michelle Parker case too.
Haven’t heard anything about them or the investigation.
SOS!! and all the same old crooks involved. Of course this is just my opinion, but I do worry about the kids.
The ones that make that decision, don’t seem to be worried about the children only after it’s too late.
Evening All,
Since I am limited on full knowledge of this case, I wonder if there were issues between 2 diff poss more Law Enforcement agencies. I cant help but feel there was a true breakdown in possible sharing of information. Now probable blaming. Susan came up missing in Utah and then Josh and family moved to WA. Strange enough right there… Are the cases in both places now closed?
Hi MImi! : )
I don’t know much about that. But the sheriff said that they were treating it as a murder case early on, almost in the beginning. If so, they wouldn’t have let Josh, since he was the only person of interest leave the state.
I would think that the cases aren’t closed. They shouldn’t be. They’ve acted like they weren’t doing anything IMO.
But, the LE never closed down the Powell home as a crime scene. I don’t know why. It looks like they would have until they investigated it and the mini van.
http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2012/02/15/more-possible-clues-no-quick-answers-in-powell-case/
If this report is true, then WHY EVEN HAVE a Tip Line?
And, although this woman’s tip could have been easily proved or disproved by video tape evidence , it may not mean much to the case since it was generally on Josh’s stated route of travel. But it may have sparked other to recall seeing them that day.
I believe both Utah and Washington states still are actively investigating, but mainly as a formality, since their ONLY Person of Interest is gone ….. or is he?
I don’t want to sound like a broken record , but can I see the DNA , Please ?
The house was just a “Stage” for the Supervised visits, could Josh have found an “Actor” to unwillingly play his part?
I’ll gladly retract my Off-The-Wall theory, if someone can tell me how his body was identified….. Fingerprints, DNA, heck, I’ll even accept identification by next of kin , or a monogrammed handkerchief !
I just posted something on Discuss Anything. Please read it.
OKAY, I am officially retracting my last comment…. I finally found a reference to Josh’s body being identified by Dental Records…..
I am prepared to Eat Crow, Listen to Cheryl Crow, and drink Old Crow. whiskey…
snipped :
A portion of the $6,500 Josh Powell withdrew from his bank account the day prior to the murder went to his attorney Jeffrey Bassett via an electronic payment, Wood said. He transferred the rest to a bank account belonging to his sister, Alina Powell, and instructed her to pay bills with it.
Wood said dental records have positively identified Josh and Charlie Powell’s remains. There are no dental records for Braden, Wood said, but detectives were able to recognize his remains at the scene.
JFC, it takes the bigger person to admit when they are wrong. We all have those moments so no harm done. Enjoy you food and drink with some good music
Its when someone who knows they are WRONG but refuse to admit it, not only publicly but to themselves…
HMMM Nancy DisGrace come to mind….
JFC you are incorrect with the most class I’ve ever witnessed. And, you made me chuckle at the same time. Now, that is talent.
Zuben and Arkansasmimi and all on the JBMission~~~~~~~
It’s wonderful to find a group of people that will laugh With You + Not At You , when you put your foot in your mouth.
Thanks
There’s a pilot for a new show hosted by Susan Murphy Milano on YouTube and it discusses the Powell case with guests: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJVpzrd5Vmk.