Such as “What is your legal name?”
According to WESH.com Zenaida Gonzalez will be deposed today. As expected, there is no public outcry or court petitions to have it aired on the public airways.
There are no updates coming from the Morgan & Morgan website to report and none from Casey Anthony’s lawyer, Charles Greene.
Obviously, Mr. Greene’s intentions are clear. Zenaida Gonzalez is not his hired clown to entertain us. Nor is a legal deposition in a civil lawsuit his personal 3-ring circus to garner fame and fortune.
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It is the American judicial system at work.
Snipped:
ORLANDO, Fla. — The woman who filed a lawsuit against Casey Anthony for defamation will be deposed Tuesday despite attempts to keep her from answering questions.
Attorneys for Zenaida Gonzalez wanted her deposition pushed back until Anthony answered questions without invoking her Fifth Amendment right.
A judge denied that request.
Gonzalez claims Anthony ruined her reputation by claiming a woman with the same name kidnapped her daughter, Caylee Anthony.
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TheJBMission~
References:
Original Card
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jIHkjRSQCgY/SV6LwBXAD0I/AAAAAAAAAFI/1MKdEZAsz6Q/s1600-h/page45.JPG
Doctored Card
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jIHkjRSQCgY/SV6LwlGXUZI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/-QXRxRwXKG4/s1600-h/page49.JPG
Sources:
http://www.wesh.com/news/29824711/detail.html
Casey Anthony Deposition
http://www.forthepeople.com/casey-anthony-case.htm
I saw a commercial a little bit ago that the guy in Aruba is being released and they are gonna talk about it on Good Morning America tomm morning. Gonna see if i can find something on it. BRB
Man held in woman’s disappearance in Aruba to be released
By the CNN Wire Staff
November 29, 2011 — Updated 0530 GMT (1330 HKT)
Giordano’s U.S.-based attorney, Jose Baez, said in a statement last week that his client would be released at 8 p.m. Tuesday and “return home to his family in the United States.”
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/29/world/americas/aruba-missing-woman/
I have been “playing” with the MyOrangeClerk site imputing ZGs name into it as well as the Hillsborough Co. clerk’s site. I did this because 1 of the Paternity cases referenced being moved TO that county and 1 referenced being moved FROM that county. There seems to be a few cases where a ZG sued 2 businesses and a few where companies sued her. There are a couple of evictions (NOT 2008) and a mortage default there also.
Now I understand these might not all be THAT ZG but still found it interesting. Some of them are obvious because of the Esparza name being referenced.
It looks like she went through a couple of men trying to show paternity. At Hillsborough it looks like one sued HER for trying to say he was the father. Please keep in mind there is a chance that one of these (or more) might be a different ZG. It is hard to tell because there isn’t much to uniquely separate one from another and there are a lot of ZG’s in FL.
She doesn’t go by her married name Esparza?
She was on welfare both before and after Casey’s claims? I thought
she was working and was fired because of it.
She’s engaged but doesn’t plan on getting married until she’s divorced?
GEE!
She said Casey never said Zenida Gonzalez didn’t do it to her?
Right, Casey Never said that to anyone.
REmember it was Zenida Fernandez Gonzalez and ZG said her
only name was Zenida Gonzalez, period and that she never went by any other name SO
Casey never claimed it was this Zenida in the first place.
Why did ZG think it was her that Casey was talking about? She never fit the name or description. Mr Morgan says asking about ZG’s tatoos was harassment? REALLY! She and Morgan know that Casey said the other one had no tatoos. Why did Morgan say it was harassing ZG when asked about the children, Casey also said she had no children so asking about them? When asked he didn’t call it harassment.
Again it’s all ridiculous!
Noni, I saw that too, both counties and there is still 1 father we havent found lol. Not that I care, just came across as was sleuthing. Do yall think this lady really went to the apt building? I think she or someone may have called as there is no other info listed on the card. I still cant get over John Morgan telling the lady she was CHARGED WITH KIDNAPPING AND MURDER! Prob scared the crap out of her when he went ambulance chasing. I know I would have been.
Mimi,
I would have asked where are the charges.
He would have to prove that I was being charged.
When they came and charged me of kidnapping or murder (which they wouldn’t have, they knew better)then I would have gotten a lawyer like Casey did.
Mimi,
Thanks for the info and tomorrow I’ll have more to read.
Kiss that sweet baby for me. : )
night, sweet dreams! : )
Nite Lolypop, Prayers for peaceful rest my dear! And for everyone else too! HUGS
I will have one of my gbabies tomorrow and will do. Thank you!
I hope they find this lady safe and soon. She is the Mother missing from Orlando.
Oh and now Mark Najame is the exboyfriends lawyer. He was formally called a suspect today.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-michelle-parker-search-resumes-20111128,0,6805537.story
****NOTICE THE ORLANDO SENTINEL IS STILL CALLING HER ZENAIDA FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ….
By Amy Pavuk and Anthony Colarossi, Orlando Sentinel
5:46 p.m. EST, November 28, 2011
The videotaped deposition taken last week of Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, the Kissimmee mother suing Casey Anthony for defamation, was not filed in court Monday as originally expected.
Last week, Fernandez-Gonzalez was questioned under oath by Anthony’s civil attorney, Charles Greene.
One of Fernandez-Gonzalez’s attorneys released a few short portions of the deposition Friday.
One of her attorneys, Matt Morgan, said his team was leaving it up to the other side to file the lengthy deposition. The questioning was supposed to have lasted nearly 12 hours.
A message left with Greene’s office late Monday was not immediately returned
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-zenaida-gonzalez-full-deposition–20111128,0,5908711.story
Gonna get some rest, check in with yall tomorrow!
HUGS!
OMG, the blatant twisting, and lying, and turning of blinded eyes to the truth just disgusts me!! How does one feel good about their stories when they KNOW they are lying? Don’t they fee like Jack-asses, knowing that the facts are available to pretty much anyone, and that they will come back and expose them for their lies and ignorance?
I may not be right about everything, but I sure try hard to base what I say off of carefully studied and researched facts.
Lying to yourself, doesn’t make it come true!
I cannot wait til the “SUN” starts glaring down on the TRUE truths of the matter…
Have a good one Ak!
Thanks Mimi! Interesting….
I thought of something else with that car seat. Why did Asston slam cans of air around the courtroom when all he should of had to do was threaten to pull out that CLOTH car seat cover. I mean, shit, it should have stunk up the whole building, right? I mean if Mama doll and the grey striped pants stunk of death & decomp I can ONLY IMAGINE what that car seat cover smelled like, right? or is it ALL bogus BS after all?
I show you something else interesting. ZG daughter Vanessa Colon father, is Jose A Colon. I just found this in the Collier County court records. Wonder what the foreign support order is? Poss from PR? I wonder if some of Caseys friends knew these people since they also had ties to PR?
Case Information
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Style: GONZALEZ, ZENAIDA vs COLON, JOSE
Uniform Case Number: 112001DR003825FMXXXX Filed: 09/26/2001
Clerks Case Number: 0103825CA
Court Type: DOMESTIC RELATIONS/FAMILY LAW Disposition Judge: BAKER, FRANKLIN G
Case Type: FOREIGN SUPPORT ORDERS UNDER U Disposed: 09/26/2001
Judge: SHENKO, JAMES R Reopen Reason:
Case Status: DISPOSED Reopened:
Next Court Date: Reopen Close:
Last Docket Date:
I have to wonder about that too, but In my opinion that isnt the same carseat. So many strange stuff. I just wonder since Matt Morgan said they were leaving up to Greene to file with court, I am assuming it would be the transcript that would be filed, if they will release it. Or does that fall under the Sunshine Law stuff? I am sure that long of a depo and then the holiday week/weekend it may take a few days. Does anyone know if civil suits fall under the S law? I mean the only reason M&M released the other depos they did it to gather public rage (IMHO of course)
The above case if a UIFSA case which is a childsupport case from one state to another to enforce the original order.
I have learned one thing from searching the counties court records – Zenaida is no stranger to the court room! She has had multiple suits either against her or suing other people.
re: the “air” cans. LOL, that was a terrible acting job on Jeffie’s part wasn’t it? He sure waved that can around and slammed it down for the camera’s didn’t he? He knew he had lost the case at that point IMO and thru a little temper tantrum for the public.
Good ol Matt Morgan! I think he knows he lost this suit and isn’t going to pay out a penny more on this case. What a cheap skate! He brags on twitter about all things Casey Anthony and now is going to dissapoint his followers? What an idiot!
The OS paper is is like the Globe or Star rag mag with WTFV a close second. Think about it! WTFV was the paper LE used to leak what they wanted put before the masses who would make up the jury. LOL, guess they picked the wrong station. Must not be a favorite or they don’t get it in Pinellas county (scuse spelling). Can’t see what I am typing.
Noni, LOL ! Wrong station…
Baby Lisa Irwin Update:
North Texas Psychic Helps in Search for Missouri’s Missing Baby Lisa
Waxahachie psychic Stephanie Almaguer says she had an “out-of-body” experience, showing her where to search Lisa Irwin.
The day ‘Baby Lisa’ went missing, Almaguer says she had a vision.
“All of a sudden i felt like i was there,” said Almaguer.
She put pen to paper drawing everything she saw, and posted it on her blog.
“If I don’t put it on there and it is important, I may have helped keep somebody lost,” said Almaguer.
Then, something… unexplainable:
“The things that I posted, came to happen. The names, everything,” said Almaguer.
The things Almaguer saw exist in Kansas City.
The post convinced a few dozen people to search the area Saturday.
“I didn’t ask these people to go search that place. I didn’t tell these people where that place was. They told me based on what I had given them,” said Almaguer.
They didn’t find Lisa Irwin, but they did find a well. Almaguer did not see the well in her vision, but she saw something similar.
“I had said that she’s in a hole, and it was a hole that carried water,” said Almaguer.
All the reaction hasn’t been positive. Almaguer says her kids have received threats, saying she’s a liar and wasting people’s time. Still, she won’t quit.
“In reality, I don’t think i can walk away because, you know, sometimes you just feel like there’s a reason or a purpose that you are given a gift,” said Almaguer.
Kansas City police were not involved in the search Saturday, but say they will be investigating the well the searchers found.
http://www.the33tv.com/news/kdaf-texas-psychic-helps-in-search-for-baby-lisa-20111127,0,815110.story
BTW Steph is a personal friend of mine. We’ve been “working” on info for the Haleigh Cummings case since late 2009. Steph was a personal guest of a member of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Officer and was allowed to tour the Haleigh War Room. There also was a search of an area in Satsuma that Steph (and I) felt were significant. Unfortunaely Haleigh was not located but we seperately continue to try.
Missing Baby Lisa Irwin: Police Planning Search of Well Found at Old Casino Site
Approximately 25 volunteers braved the rain and cold temperatures of winter in Kansas City, on Saturday, to help search the old Sam’s Town Casino property and find new clues to help solve the mystery of Lisa Irwin’s disappearance. Though the team of volunteers returned without significant discoveries, that of an old well, Kansas City Police believe, is worth investigation.
The volunteers, during their search from the Chouteau Bridge to Highway 210, found a well (believed to be more than 10 feet deep) and when told of the discovery, police officials were understood to say that there was no reason why it shouldn’t be searched.
“We are exploring the possibility of searching it soon. Numerous resources are needed to get it done, but no reason not to search it,” Kansas City Police spokesman, Steve Young, was quoted as saying, by news Web site, Examiner.com.
According to CNN’s iReport, a detective Albertson reached the search site, after authorities were informed of the volunteers’ find at 11.30 a.m. The detective searched the site, conducted a preliminary investigation of the well and, after speaking to the volunteers for thirty minutes, left without any further comments.
Saturday’s search was reportedly inspired by visions that Stephanie Almaguer, a Dallas-based psychic, had. According to her blog post, Almaguer had visions that Lisa Irwin was accidentally killed in her home and the body was dumped near a former casino near Interstate 435 and Missouri Highway 210. The site is just a few miles from the Irwin home.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/257040/20111128/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-police-planning-search.htm
TRUE, about the seat and the doll. If everything in that car was permeated w/the horrible stench (and it never went away in the car) then it doesn’t make sense that they would need the air cans to exhibit the smell. The doll? So what if it was cloroxed and febreezed, that didn’t work on the car so how come the doll didn’t retain some of the stink? Same w/the carseat. I have thought of that, myself, HGM. All they had to do was put the doll and the seat cover in an air-tight container to keep the smell in the fabric. It is BS. I believe it did smell, but I don;t think it was human decomp.
Oh and BTW, the chemicals of the trunk air were only a 60% match to the chemical make-up of human decomp odor.
Mimi,
She should sue the paper for using the wrong name,
dont you think?
OR in court tHey’re going to ask her are you Zaneda-Fernandez Gonzalez?
She’ll have to say no.
What then? : )
HGMoM,
You made me think! lol
Why didn’t they take the car seat for evidence?
Like you said those damn cans meant nothing.
wouldn’t it have made sense to just take the rug from the trunk, put that in a sealed bag and use that as evidence in court? call me crazy to think that, but that is where the smell was emanating from, the floor/rug of the trunk… i mean why use the air surrounding the rug? just weird to me…
I agree w/ya’ll. There were easier ways to exhibit the smell. I’m going to say something else that I’ve been marinating on for some time :
“If the car trunk had such “HUGE” amounts of chloroform in it and in the air….. Can someone please tell me why no one got sick or passed out from standing over it????? They spent so much time working on and examining this car trunk and NO ONE EVER reported passing out from the “overwhelming” chloroform”
WHY? Because it’s:
BEEEE ESSSSS (BS)
Think about it.
Want to send my thoughts and heartfelt prayers out to Misty and her family. They lost a close family member over the weekend. Love you Girlie:)
Darn tis the season guess. Found out today my Uncle was taken to the hosp and his blood sugar was 742! He still in ICU but doing better.
Prayers going up for Misty’s family and your Uncle, Mimi! (((HUGS)))
COL….I agree. If you look back through some older posts at the Mission…you will find quite a few comments I left about the chloroform and it’s volatility. It would have been utterly impossible for the chloroform levels to maintain such a high level once the alleged source had been removed. Furthermore, like you, I pointed out that IF the levels had been as high as they tried to make us believe they were, then the Anthonys would have been rendered unconscious when trying to clean the trunk….and the CSI’s who processed the trunk would also have been overcome….if not to the point of unconsciousness, then at the very least, with extreme light-headedness and nausea followed by severe headache. Yet….no one testified that any of that happened during the course of processing the trunk.
And there is one good reason they didn’t submit the entire trunk liner as evidence……and that reason is that there was absolutely zero….I repeat ZERO….biological evidence that would indicate that human remains had ever been in that trunk. There was, however, plenty of evidence that there had been garbage there.
To to that all off…..there was absolutely NO evidence that the laundry bag found with the remains had ever been in that trunk. Not so much as a single trunk fiber.
LOL! I love that the “decomp smell” kept appearing and disappearing”. Now you smell it, now you don’t! Good ‘ol Georgie Boy, Cindy and Yuri were almost knocked over by the smell and yet other officer’s walking by the open car in the garage didn’t notice a thing! Maybe it’s because some people are just SPECIAL?
Wish someone had done an air test with the same kind of food wrappers/food leftovers and clean up paper towels, etc. after leaving a car closed up during the same time frame and part of the year. I mean, they only had 3 years to conduct such a test, right? Hey-they could have opened the car for the first time for the jury! Nah-prosecutor’s couldn’t risk that could they?
COL – love your comment about the chloroform. Since Jeffie theorized that Casey had used it to put Caylee asleep many times it’s a wonder that the friends of Casey’s didn’t pass out sitting in the back seat when she drove them around that time. It’s a wonder Casey didn’t pass out at the wheel and have an accident what with the car seat in there and all! BSBSBSBSBS is right! Sorry, I just can’t help myself.
So many people including attorney’s have come to realize (and publicly state) that the “evidence” presented in this trial was so bogus and so different from what was reported in the paper’s for 3 years.
I can not understand those close minded people who still insist on repeating the incorrect “evidence” published in the media as grounds that prove Casey did this. They think they are the majority now which is absolutely a joke. Ran across a petition to the Federal Government placed on-line (and was well publicized) after the verdict that required 10,000 signatures to get this case tried in Federal Court. The “whole world” that was so sure it would succeed consisted of 866 people. That was BEFORE it was shown how junky the junk science was. These people truly believe they have the numbers. Delusional!
Well, there we go!
I had never heard or seen anyone mention that before but I became a fanatic later in the game. Glad to know someone else had the same ideas!
I mean, even if a body had been in the trunk it was wrapped up so good that the only thing that could have leaked would have been an odor that would dissipate eventually, once the source was removed. i didn’t know the same goes for chloroform. If the liner had been saturated w/it, could it have remained? And I’m sorry but how hard is it to inject a lil chloroform into a can of air. Do you think it’s too much to wonder if maybe they used that pseudo cadaver scent in that air sample?
Either way they only had a 60% chemical match.
Close, but no human decomp match!! LOL.
As for the laundry bag, no trunk fibers on the bag and no bag fibers in the trunk… BUT there WERE some ANIMAL hairs. How did they just ignore that?? I don’t recall if they had an explanation for the animal fur…
The other thing is the bag itself… it had been in the woods in black waters and rains for 5 mos, right?
Here’s a pic:
http://catoutloud.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/ca-bag-of-bones.jpg
So how is it that that bag was not wet and muddy and all that good stuff when it was photographed at the scene?
Exactly right about the bag, too, COL.
As for chloroform…it is highly volatile and begins to break down as soon as it hits air. If there had been 30 chloroform soaked sponges in that trunk at one point, the level of chloroform in that trunk 31 days after they were removed would not have been 10,000 times above normal (as Vass tried to suggest)…..even if the sponges had sat directly on the trunk liner. The haters must not have a sense of logic. When you take a highly volatile compound such as chloroform and subject it to heat (which excites the already excited molecules even further) from the Florida sun for 31 days, it quickly evaporates and it’s molecules bond with molecules in the air to form other compounds. Add to that the fact that a car trunk is NOT an airtight container…..AND the trunk sat OPEN in the Anthony’s garage for 24 hours after that “31″ days had gone by, so even if a trunk had been airtight, it sure wasn’t airtight when it was open. Without a renewable source for the chloroform in the trunk, it would be nearly scientifically impossible for the levels to have maintained that height without causing everyone who got near the trunk to experience the symptoms we discussed above. Even WHEN chloroform was available for purchase, it was sold in BROWN glass bottles because if light were to hit the clear glass, chloroform would begin to dissipate even in a sealed bottle. The whole entire chloroform hoax was just that…..a hoax, or as CM said, “the overactive imagination of an overzealous prosecutor”.
This is exactly what Jose was trying to get at when, during Frye hearings, he kept asking Vass who calibrated the equipment and who regulated the QA in the lab…..because Jose knew that what Vass was trying to sell regarding chloroform was snake oil.
Quality assurance standards are very different for a research lab than they are for a professionally regulated lab. Not cleaning or properly calibrating equipment can cause all kinds of wierd readings.
However…..I think that Vass…..well, nevermind. I’ll just leave it with I think it was suggested to Vass that chloroform was the weapon, so he tried real hard to find chloroform.
100% agreed, Omar! Thank you
I wonder what the chemical make-up of psuedo cadaver scent might be…. ?? anyone have a clue? I have tried to look it up but that’s not something many people would even think to want to know LOL.
LOL…yeah, COL, I have never managed to find the chemical make-up of the pseudo cadaver scent either.
I do know, COL, that the pseudo corpse scent for canine training is manufactured by Sigma Aldrich. My dad worked there for years! Not that that means anything….but too bad dad’s long gone. I’m sure he could have gotten a list of the compounds used to make it!
hello guys, hope your all doing awesome tonight
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.missouriwestern.edu/orgs/mas-jd/Papers/2011/BaileeSlack.pdf&embedded=true&chrome=true this is an interesting read on compounds used to detect human decay..
http://discovermagazine.com/1996/mar/thefakesmellofde714 another good article
Good evening all !!
Thought I might mention the maggots in the trunk were ALIVE!!!
Supposedly shut up in the trunk of the chloroform-mobile for 30 days!!
Not to mention the mommy of the maggots,
” Super Bionic Fly ” she was immune to Chloroform and must have passed it on to her offspring.
Wow people are really stupid to believe the crap we were fed!!
GREAT point, Indygal!! No fly could have reproduced in the presence of that much chloroform!! It astounds me that the general public is so gullible!
So sorry to hear of your loss Misty
Mimi, prayers for your uncle….
I know all too well about high blood sugar….
My dad is in ICU nearly twice a year for it…
600 is not too unusual for him…..
Sadly he is finally trying to keep it under control after having to walk with a cane and suffer through painful laser eye surgery weekly…. It’s not helping,,,, he says it’s making his vision worse.
Its Horrible, it absolutely kills me watching this disease slowly kill him!
BTW ,,, in case you haven’t been over there, I finally gave you a recipe.
I figured it out finally. COL stands for catoutloud and not kernel. lol I can be so slow
Omar, that is quite cool that your dad worked for Sigma Aldrich!! I am sorry he is not w/you any longer
. Maybe he’ll drop you a few hints from up above 
I am pretty much convinced that the trunk evidence was definitely enhanced and/or entirely fabricated. I rack up on the facts and then check behind each one before I allow myself to come to conclusions. I think I finally have enough to put that one to rest, for now
Even if there was ever a body in he trunk, it left behind no such evidence. IMHO
Misty & AKmimi, I am so sorry to hear about the loss of a family member and Uncle’s ill health.
Extra blessings to you and yours.
LOL, NTS, that is too funny!! Yes, COL is me
LMAO.
Funny thing here…….
I googled chloroform maggots and guess what!
Chloroform is maggots kryptonite !!! Lol
Yup,,, it seems that in the event your cattle or god forbid YOU, have a fly deposit eggs in the nose or ears, the only way to expel the larva/maggots is to inhale chloroform and/or flush with a water diluted chloroform mix.
The inhalation of chloroform, will render the maggots stupid if not killing them, they can awaken after the exposure to chloroform.
So after my intense studies (lol) I have concluded that in NO WAY was it possible for for these maggots to thrive in the presence of extremely high concentrations of chloroform.
The maggots existence would be just short of a miracle and they certainly were thriving!
Remember GA describing the sizzling sound he heard coming from the maggots squirming around and eating?
Eeeeeeewwwww!
I read to many links to pick just one buy they all pretty much said the sane thing, if you’d like to verify this, just google Chloroform Maggots.
It’ll return alot of google book results.
Good work Ms. Indy! That is very interesting. These are the types of things I might have wanted to check into (is that allowed?) had a been on the jury. And woe to anti’s, but if the jury had taken the time to go over all of these discrepancies, the way we have, the verdict would have come back w/an even more SOLID, “NOT-GUILTY”.
I Cant’s stand the fact that so many feel completely comfortable basing their uninformed opinions on others uninformed opinions, and are too lazy to do the research necessary. They shouldn’t open their mouths at ALL if they refuse to open their MINDS to the FACTS, first. If they only knew how FOOLISH they sound.
Oh well, can’t save ‘em ALL
Hi y’all,
We sure have some super sleuthers!
Indy, when you look for something you FIND it. And Asston STILL maintains that it was chlroform that Casey used and I wonder how many gullible people still believe it.
You should send, NO take that back, write a book.
Really with everything just written here it would make JA look goofier than he already looks.
I’ve enjoyed reading all of it and the REAL facts and am still waiting for Comment’s theory
because all of this is so interesting.
Mimi, I’m so sorry that Misty lost someone close. I know it’s really painful. Please let her know that I will be thinking of her and saying prayers for the family. And also your uncle.
The same for your Dad Indy. Yes, it has to be painful to see them in stress and pain. I will be thinking of all of you.
I miss JB
Mimi,
If you talk to JB, tell her we miss her fleur de lei! : )
I’m always happy to see that. : )
Indy
The story of the maggots is so unbelievable. THose most have been some mighty strong tough maggots and right the BS they fed us for 3 years makes me so damn mad.
Why don’t they do something brilliant sometime? That’s how bad they want to make someone guilty before a trial and they still are ignorant.
I was so mad, I felt like we had heard lies for 3 years and I was so ready to hear somebody make some sense.
Wasn’t there a chemist on the jury?
Goodnight everyone, I loved reading the comments. : )
Happy EARRRLLLY Wednesday Morning!!! WOW SUCH WONDERFUL COMMENTS!!!!
Makes me wonder WHY some reporter never got on that ship to prove what yall have proven? Fear of retaliation by the hate mob? I feel thats prob the reason, I bet there really is a reporter out there just not an employer willing to go against the grain. IMO. I mean really in that area with the local haters alone, I am sure that it could do a paper under. I have hopes though! 
Lolypop YOUR RIGHT SUPER SLEUTHS!!!! LOL Indygal you crack me UP girlie! Chloroform is maggots kryptonite !!! Lol PRICELESS!
Omar (super SMART and good explainer) and COL (Colonial hee hee good one NTS) agree 100%
Noni and Spidy, great stuff too
Thanks for the prayers, my Uncle is doing better. My heart breaks for Misty, she said they were very close family so it hurts my heart for them. I know she is appreciative of our prayers. She will be back in a few days…
Good Morning Everyone,
I’m finally catching up and right now my jaw is still sitting in my lap.
OMG, so Chloroform is maggot’s kryptonite!
Wow, that’s just brilliant! lol
Hey Lolypop,
I missed you guys too. I got home late last night and now having my first cup of coffee. My friend is catching on to using crutches and learning to walk slowly. LOL
We had a great time hanging out, watching the Saint’s game, and playing Yatzee.
Her son who lives in SF, had me use Skype so he could see her foot. That was kind of funny, lol.
Anyways, she’s fine.
I’m sorry to hear about Misty. Life is full of surprises and not all of them are good.
Back to the chloroform theory.. If only Baez would have asked Vass the question, “what effect does chloroform have on maggots?” I heard Baez’s latest client, Gary Giordano was released this morning from jail. That was another case, although suspicious but no viable evidence.
I heard about the missing Florida woman, Michelle Parker and husband/suspect Dale Smiths’ new attorney Mark Nejame pleading for public sympathy.
Snipped:
BuWaHaHa..Sounds familiar?
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/michelle-parker-case-dcf-removes-children-from-suspect-2003072.html
Again Florida makes the national news…What’s up with that?? Hmm..
hey JB great to see you, sorry to hear about your friends foot, but that was awesome of you to stay and help her
hoping your good!
and yes, that is very funny, got maggots? don’t call the doctor, call superman! or is that spiderman… hehe
Indygal – Good find regarding the chloroform and maggots. I guess as far as evidence, you can have one or the other but you can’t have both!
Misty – Sorry to hear about your loss. My thoughts are with you and your family.
Arkansasmimi – Hope your Unvle is doing better. My father-in-law has been in the hospital since the day after Thanksgiving with pneumonia and heart problems. He was in ICU for a few days but may be going home today.
Crazy huh JB?! also morgan and morgan is representing michelle parkers family and they just lost their first court case…. the judge ordered the twins to go back to their dad..nejames client. Lol I’m ready to leave florida cuz this is getting crazy
Hello everyone
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Good to see you back JB!
Florida probably makes national news more frequently due to the sunshine laws, for 1. The sunshine law allows the public in, which, in turn, creates the sensationalism, brings media, fame and money hungry lawyers and LE to the surface, which in turn, stirs up the crazies who want to be “infamous” tooooo, and then more sunshine and even more sensationalism.
It is also a fairly big state and a place to retire or “escape to” for many…. This is just IMO.
Kryptonite & maggots! I love it! LOL
Well not the maggots— I DO NOT LOVE maggots!
Seriously, Omar, you should take that to Mr.Jose Baez.
Oh and Omar, I think I may have been wrong about the bags. I checked more photos and the bags are dirty and nasty looking, BUT I did notice some inconsistencies in the lengths of it and the distribution of the dirt. Google “Caylee Anthony Laundry bags” for images and check through ‘em. Tell me if you see what I mean.
Just stopping by for a second, Hello JB! great to see ya as ALWAYS!
YellowDog, sorry to her about your father-in-law, will keep him and your family in my prayers! Seems like here lately its been a big list, but I do believe in the positive power of prayer!
Addie, so sad that this Michelle Parker case has already taken the aire of a circus. Along time ago it was a private joke around here about dont take your kids to FL, they have too may bad thngs happen to them. I know bad things happen EVERYWHERE, just that it makes the national news ALOT. Sad, wonder what the criteria is to make the national news? I mean sadly things happen too often, yet you dont hear about them all. I know its a good thing in a way, if we did we would really just look over it, does anyone know the criteria, just wondering. BBL
Sun is shining but cold, gonna finish us some things outside while I still can….
Yes it is crazy Addie,
from what I’ve heard.
to hear Nejame whine about ppl prejudging his client was pure, 100% Karma..lol I bet Baez is LOVING this considering how Nejame was one of the Hater Favorites. lol Too funny and like AKM said I think the Michelle Parker case will be the next big case. I heard a little of Dale Smith’s background, he’s not a nice guy.
COL,
that would be cool.
Thanks for reminding me about the Sunshine law and how it can create a circus & stir up the crazies. It makes sense now.
Omar is our own in house chloroform expert. I’m really impressed with what Indygal and you guys put together. Amazing..maybe someone should send Baez an email. I wonder if he would respond?
Yellow Dog, I hope your father in law is getting better. Diabetes is sometimes a difficult disease to control. I’m wishing you and AKM’s uncle the best and swift recovery. Illness in the Holiday Season is always hurtful. Best of luck you guys.
:waves at Spidey: Thank you dear, and I hope you all have a spectacular day!
bbl
fyi — i’m still alive — so many issues — love uall xoxooxoxoo
hello hazaka, great to hear that!! sending much xoxo your way also, may those issues take a damn hike down the road stat!!
thespidergirl
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thank you …… xoxooxo
Just a quick note about the sunshine laws in FL.
I couldn’t help but notice the difference in release of information between the CA case and the Haleigh Cummings case. BIG DIFFERENCE!
If I recall correctly, it was brought out that Vass had to redo the tests once or twice because he had not properly cleared the Gas collector apparatus before trying to run it! Don’t remember if that came out during the pre trial questioning or during the trial.
And what about the Febreeze? Didn’t Cindy spray the car with febreeze before it was tested for chloroform and chloroform is present in Febreeze?
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OOPS, Sorry Sam, I found your comment in moderation?? I noticed your usual avatar isn’t visible? That may have been the problem.
Anyway, your comments should go thru now.
My Apologies,
JB
Gosh. I really must have done something to piss you off, JB. I am sorry!
Good to hear you’re ok JB!
I must have missed something. I didn’t know your friend hurt her foot, must have been pretty bad having to use the crutches, and I know that can’t be easy. But watching football can be pretty dangerous too. I jumped up like a fool, oh not recently, but my pants caught on the chair and I fell on frontwards on both of my knees and had to use a walker. lol
This was in the 70′s! : )
Tell your friend to be careful watching the Saints! lol Yatzee’s pretty safe! : )
Seriously I hope she’s ok.
I KNOW Hasaka, seems like most are going through a tough time right now. Really when you don’t see anyone in a while you start worrying about them.
Glad you stopped to say you were ok.
Funny, I was just wondering what the sunshine law was. Is it a supposed to be a good thing?
Noni, I’m sure it didn’t hurt that Caylee had been missing “31″ days and that Casey had lied a whole rack. That probably fueled the media and public interest by quite a bit
This Vass dude, I mean it’s cool that he’s trying to come up w/this new technology, and if he perfected it I’m sure it’d be a great tool, but clearly it had not perfected and he had not kept it very “sanitary” from what you mentioned above, so in this case, it was an absolute FAIL.
How great would it have been if it had been in top notch order and was actually able to help CLEAR that suspicion of a human body having been in that trunk.
Noni,
The cans? Is that when JA jumped up and said Oh I gave you the wrong can, after Vass had identified it being the right one?
THat whole testimony from Vas was all BS. Remember when he said OH, I just love my job? What a weirdo! Like many on here said, there were other ways to find out.
I’ll just bet JA would have messed his pants if the jury asked to smell any of them! lmao
Like Baez said we were going to hear a bunch of junk science.
They didn’t let us down and proved Baez right! : )
When I think of Dr Vass, I remember laughing so hard during opening stmnts when JB said paraphrasing – this is a man that wants to put electronic leashes on flies to find bodies! Or the devine (sp) rod lol! By Dr. Vass is a very smart scientist I am sure. And doing great research at the Body Farm, I just think it put a very bad light on them for their part in this trial. IMOO. I know I will always think of those 2 examples because Dr Vass acknowledged about the rod and leashes lol!
Hi everyone…I need to catch up with the posts so I’m sure I’m going to be off topic here…but I have a few things on my mind that I want to bounce off of you all.
First, do any of you find it strange that whenever one of the Anthonys talked about another in their family they rarely called them by name…especially George. He always says “my daughter, my wife, my son” instead of calling them by name. The others in the family do that too. From the first time I heard one of George’s interviews this struck me as a bit strange. When I’m talking about a family member, I usually call them by name. I may refer to them at first as “my daughter” or whatever, but once the person knows who I’m talking about, I call them by name. I’ve read Keith Ablow’s book “Inside the Mind of Casey Anthony” and his take on it is that this family is very immeshed. To me it seems like they all feel they are “a part” of one another…more so than the average family. I almost feel like the calling of one another by “my wife, daughter, son” and not by their individual names makes it seem like they are less of an individual person and more like they “belong” to each other. What do you all think? BTW, I recommend Keith’s book. It sure does explain Casey’s bizarre behavior after Caylees death and the reasons she is the way she is.
Also, I was just watching JVM on HLN (don’t ask me why) and they were talking about the Penn State case. She had a guest and they were talking about how a child who is molested may actually feel somewhat loyal to their abuser, may confuse it for love because they don’t know better. SO…why then when they discussed KC’s “alleged” abuse did they not believe her simply because she said “nice things” about her father when she talked to him during the jailhouse tapes? Why is it that they completely blew off KC’s claims just because she appeared to be loyal to her father at first? It just seems to me to be very unfair that no one in the media believes KC.
OK…thanks for letting me vent. I just keep thinking about this. I can’t imagine being 25 years old and going through the things KC has been through. My heart goes out to her and I hope some day the real truth comes out.
If the can had smell of decomposition in it, it wouldn’t have been Caylees. The one that drove me right out of the univers was I think he name was Warden? He made up that precious picture of Caylee with Casey into a hidious picture and they let him use it?
This is what it would look like if she had has duct tape over her AND it was total BS!
How was he really able to testify, REALLY? AND did Casey have to pay him. To this day, I will not believe that they actually were able to use that in court!
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Jill,
I never understood WHY no one in the media didn’t understand that about Casey.
You know Casey said she felt safer in jail. I can see why, since George pulled that crap about getting the gun while Casey was out for a while. I also wonder if she was going to tell her Dad that she had had enough and was going to tell.
I’m really angry at the way they stood up for the molester.
All of the talking heads that are supposed to be childrens avocates NEVER took up for Casey. No wonder they never want to tell. It’s like they’re all Poor George. Oh, yeah Poor George, strutting around like Mr. innocent, when he’s anything but.
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LOL, Mimi,
You know scientist are smart and we really need them, but Vass I don’t think he’s the smart scientist, more like the mad one. lol
Remember when he just laughed out of the blue. lol
You know HE’S the crazy one! : )
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I happened upon something today that might be interesting after the fact. I’ve been trusting the ping maps painstakingly created by someone at WS. I checked the latitude and longitude with Google earth on a couple of key dates and they seemed accurate for the most part. But I just discovered that Google doesn’t convert the raw decimal form correctly into ° ‘ “. I hand calculated then double checked at a site that has a converter. I clearly found mistakes in the July 1 and 2 ping maps. Now, a question came into my email about July 2 which led to this discovery, so I’ll answer here. As far as I know Casey didn’t take Ricardo to the airport that day but the WS ping map shows hits near the Executive airport, not the Int’l Airport anyway. I think it was Troy that took Rico to the airport on July 1. But, checking that ping is what led to this discovery about July 1. You’ll notice here http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=103915041605280294744.000459afc1ec466558de4&ll=28.584823,-81.298141&spn=0.134759,0.216293&t=h&z=12 that they put her at or near Tony’s on ping 18, at Amy and Rico’s a few minutes later, ping 19, then hits north of the Executive airport on ping 20. Now, my calculations off the phone record put her at or near Tony’s during both ping 18 and 19, not back to Amy’s. Tony was gone and she didn’t have a key, as far as I know. More importantly, after this,
at 3:27 pm, she pings a tower North of Castleberry Walmart, SW of Altamonte Springs. Tony was in NY at this time and she had his Jeep. An hour later she spends some money at Pennys, Fashion sq mall.Please see comment 2011/12/02 at 8:22 am, Zuben humbly retracts
Where was it that computer store guy said he saw Casey? I never believed him because on the day he said, it was impossible, according to the pings. But was it this day? And Snoop, where are you Snoop? Is that the store and date you thought you saw Caylee? I can’t remember, it’s been so long.
Now, I’ve had a long day with intense work so my brain is in overdrive. Please, someone good with this type of math, check my figures using the phone record and either Google map or Google earth. Just don’t trust it to convert the decimal latitude and longitude into minutes and seconds correctly. The math involves converting the decimal into minutes and seconds based on the fact that there are 60 minutes in a degree, 60 seconds in a minute. The whole number is the degrees north for latitude and west for longitude. Now, I want to go through all the pings but that would take so much time and I’m so busy.
I’m sorry to hear of all the loss and wounds going around. Sending you all love and light. Well, good night all. Been a long day.
There are SOOOOOOO many child/sex/incest/battered abuse victims out there! Yes, I too, was flabbergasted at the lack of understanding, insight and information about what goes on and how children/victims of such a abuse are affected. Anyone ever heard of Stolkholm Syndrome? PTSD? COMPLEX PTSD? Do they know that abuse at a young age can actually interfere w/the growth and development of the young victims’ BRAINS? CREATE mental disturbances?
Do they actually think that so many people in this world are BORN w/mental and personality disorders? No, I’d say half of these disturbed individuals are CREATED. This would mean that it can be avoided, too.
If someone took a harder look, if these victims felt they could safely tell, they might get the help they need before their souls have been irreparably broken.
COL…I so agree with you! If you watch the video of KC during Jose’s opening statement when he talks about the abuse by her dad you can see how it affects KC. She is distraught…this is NOT fake. She is sobbing even though she is trying to hold it back. How many abuse victims watched KC get crucified for finally disclosing her abuse? How many of those victims thought “see, there is no reason to tell the truth, no one will believe me.” I have to say this cases has made me literally hate the media. I can’t believe what they did to KC. I know she’s not the only one this has happened to, but I’ve never seen anything like it before. It is scary. If it can happen to her, it can happen to anyone!
Zub, wow, your investigative skills are amazing! Very, very interesting.
I know I’ve said it before, but I’m going to say it again…I love this site! Thanks everyone…especially you JB!
Wow, ZUBEN!!! A round of a applause for you!! That is so not my area at all, and I can’t even imagine the amount of work that went into it. Thank you for taking that on
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It was the Cassleberry (sp) Walmart that the computer store guy said he saw them at BTW.
Jill, that reaction to the abuse statement was THE most telling thing for ME. It was absolutely NOT fake. Some of the other tears and wiping may be questionable, but that was very real and deep right there. The “Anti’s” say that was guilt for lying about her dad… But, hey, if this girl could feel guilt for lying about the abuse, to the extent that it caused such a reaction…. Well wouldn’t that go to show that she is not likely to be a conscienceless sociopath?
And if she is not a conscienceless sociopath, then it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that she could have purposely harmed her baby girl, IF at all.
No matter how they want to spin it, it ain’t working.
Not even for one second could they allow themselves to imagine how painful, scary, disturbing, and humiliating it was for her to have to expose those things to the world. If she had no conscience, she would not have a care, not have guilt, not be ashamed…
Zuben: Thank you for the information and I hope I can help. I thought snoop said july 7th. Does that sound right?
Also JT said that he saw kc and caylee the afternoon of the 16th at the casleberry walmart. If the state would have believed him, they would have used him to debunk the drowning theory.
Michale Vincent CSI ask Voss in an email: What should I do with the hose dangling? Jose asked him in court if he had ever collected air samples before, and he said no.
One thing for sure that I noticed during the trial is that the prosecution failed to give any detail whatsoever about june 16th, 17th and 18th. Its almost embarrassing how much they didn’t know about their own claims. I thought for sure they would have laid out ever single minute on a whiteboard in detail of the date june 16th.
I hope you can go back and look at the 17th.. Tony claims she is in bed with him. Chris claims she is over at his house with tony’s jeep. M and m claiming she was reading zanny’s card at sawgrass. I wonder what the pings say.
I just don’t get MN sticking his neck out like that today. Challenging the media to make the drive themselves. Using words like kill, hide body, children, hide car. I don’t get it. why would he bring more attention to it? Why does Tim from tes say this guy deserves help. You know if they have a hard time finding volunteers, they are going to blame it all on kc.
Jill and COL,
I know Wendy Murphy had ideas, but did she ever as a childs advocate understand Casey
as being molested. I really didn’t hear any doctors wanting to help her as a molested child. Phil and DRew were terrible to Casey. I thought at least they would get it, I see in this case they are nothing but the media and Jill I too despise the media.
Where are the reporters with the REAL questions?
Have they no decency anymore?
I wish there was a network that took reporters that weren’t all tabloid.
notthatsmart,
I think Miller lost his credibility at least in my opinion, when he said he hoped the jury wasn’t like the one in the Casey trial. Donna Brock didn’t help tes either and then miller sueing Casey, shows his priorities.
I don’t even like to see him on TV anymore.
Him feeling sorry for MN, don’t talk about it, just do it.
He shouldn’t blame Casey for anything, He can’t find under his nose.
I really can’t think of anyone that he actually found.
COL,
I think they are getting by with it because, they KNOW, they will probably be the
one to get by with it.
They make a child feel shame and most of the time the child isn’t believed. How hard is that on a child.
THey didn’t do anything, yet they feel shame and have no one to talk to, like you said, they feel like no one will believe them.
It’s getting more common, isn’t it?
It is sad because they put people-pleasing ahead of the truth. They can’t show sympathy for Casey or they will be shut down, black balled. I Can’t sit here and say that Casey did nothing at all wrong and that she is for sure a victim, but I do see it as a MAJOR possibility. Even if she DID harm her daughter in any way, being subjected to child incest abuse, is one of the reasons people become disturbed killers or molesters themselves. MANY known serial killers were abuse victims. Not that it excuses what they did, but it tells you that something happened to them that messed them up BAD. They weren’t ALL “Just born Evil”. This is why awareness is so important.
Funny you mention Dr Drew, because he did used to claim that he saw major signs of Casey having been abused, which made him less popular. He had to follow the crowd or be cast out. Shame on him!
Non-Dr. Phil even seemed to have questions in his mind when he asked George if he had ever molested Casey. He had his doubts too
. But, God forbid, he let his image and career go down in the dumps for saying so! Oh NO!
I knew a guy that reminds me of George— and he was a serial sociopathic stalker… He could cry and appear so pitiful and innocent, just like George.
There are a few possibles in my mind for who is the real bad guy here, but I guess that’s what we are all trying so hard to figure out. LOL
It does seem to be getting more common, Loly. Or is it just that more are coming forward? Still no one wants to be the victim of such a crime, no one wants such deeply disturbing and personal info exposed. They DO fear they won’t be believed. It’s such a HUGE risk to open their mouths because once it’s said, it can’t be taken back.
They have been told, convinced, threatened and bribed never to tell. They have been told that it is their “little secret”, that it’s because they are “special”, that it’s ok because “we love eachother” etc… “No one will understand the special relationship we have”, “your mother will hate you, kill you”. “No one will believe you”, “I’ll kill you”, “kill myself”, “Kill your cat, your dog”… “if you tell, you will destroy our family”… and much worse.
People have to put themselves in those shoes, as a very young child and really try and imagine the type of brainwashing and manipulation that can go on there. The effects don’t just vanish because they have turned 18…
Casey’s described extreme bubbly happiness? I bet she learned to put on that super big smile, no matter what was going on inside, at a very young age. That’s forced happiness, not real. A mask. IMO..
Hello All! Drinking a cup of hot choc and decided to catch up. Hoping everyone is doing wonderful. For those resting, Prayers for peaceful rest! Hugs!
I have even less respect for Dr. Drew now and Phil has to go along with it. THEY THINK!
What IF, say they grew some balls ( excuse me ) but went on the side of the victim?
Why not try it AND if fired they will get another job. Maybe the public is ready for someone to do something. What did Drew ask, If you saw Casey would you hug her or push her out in traffic? It was something like that and since then he’s even gotten another show.
WE have such high percentage of the sheep that just follow blindly along, it’s disgusting.
I hope all of the talking heads have a hard time sleeping at night.
What if the child that was molested is afraid to say anything for fear that the public will probably think well you’re probably one too. You know what I mean?
Mimi,
You are one ball of energy!
Is it the hot choc? Whatever it is, I want some too! lol
So many have come up with great “FOR REAL” Theories.
Amazing!
And Zuben with the pings! WOW!! I wish I knew more about and
understood the pings.
I hope that you have a goodnight too Mimi.
G’night buttercup, ( but I mean you’re the good buttercup : ) )
Hello Everyone!
@Zuben,
Wow, is that really possible?? Thompson could have been telling the truth? Very very strange.
I’m going to try and see what I can figure out with the ping map by using the calculator as you suggested tomorrow. I added the ping map to Discovery Links for future reference so I’ll get back with you on that.
@COL, Lolypop, Jill, I agree with you all completely. For me, from the beginning..
Relying only on a gut feeling, I thought Geo could very well be abusive, both sexually and physically.
That’s the vibe I got from him. As soon as Baez mentioned him molesting Casey in his opening statement, I was almost happy because this finally answered my BIG questions, “What’s wrong with George?” “What’s wrong with this family? And that was it. It fits. I don’t know if anyone else felt this way from the beginning, but I just couldn’t put my finger on it.
I remember my daughter and I had pondered, “What if this girl (kc) killed her child because her parents were threatening her with taking custody of her daughter? Would a girl who was molested by her father, prefer to kill her child before allowing that to happen to her???”
It’s a horrid act of desperation but desperate ppl do desperate things.
When I add “31 Days” to this theory, the only thing that makes sense to me is a cover-up. I don’t know what would compel George to help Casey cover up, unless he had something to hide as well because I always felt that there was accomplice out there somewhere because I never believed Caylee’s remains were at Suburban the entire time. I think Geo or someone moved her from her original burial spot, or moved her around. So if Casey had help, who else would it be?
I agree, there are other victims out there, that can relate and that’s probably why Casey was acquitted.
Off topic,
Has anyone been keeping up with the Michelle Parker case? I’ve been hearing about it in bits and pieces so I decided to watch the People’s court segment. Hmm…
Any thought on her ex-fiancee Dale Smith?
That’s Part 1, there’s Part 2 & 3 on Youtube. This guy gives me the creeps. He’s a brazen control freak and I’m really disappointed with Judge Milean (sp) for the way she handled him.
I think Judge Judy would have seen the nerve of this guy suing this woman for an engagement ring and kicked him to the curb. JMO..
Fact Finder Fact Finder is offline
Investigative Reporter Tony Pipitone
On DS – Michelle Parkers ex boyfriend
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155925&page=3
So … we have KidFinders, Mark NeJame, and now Morgan & Morgan … where is the toothpick cowboy
Lol mimi! Everyone here has asked that as well! So sad for those 3 babies of hers…
OMG! JB
You know some women like that kind and I never understand it. I was disappointed in the judge too. Besides the ah still wasn’t happy. He shouldn’t have gotten $2500.
I don’t understand the judge ordering the babies to be with him.
You can tell her family is scared to death.
THe sad part is he may get complete custody of the kids and the 11 year old won’t even be able to see them.
I can imagine that the 11 year old could tell them a lot about the jerk.
He is one hell of a prize that’s for sure. Did I understand that they took the grandfather
out of the house in handcuffs?
This does not look good. Very sad!
I also wanted to drop this by:
A woman was questioning on one of the sites how to help her dog.
You probably need to get an opinion from another vet. Your dog can not survive an infestation of maggots and they must be removed. Sometimes the treatment is to have a professional vet apply chloroform to the area (protecting the dogs breathing area) and the chloroform should almost immediately kill the maggots. The wound should be treated to rid the area of damaged flesh and would likely require antibotics.
This was one that wrote in. I have never heard of a dog with maggots. I know I would have left him at the vets until they were gone and the infection was well, but you hear everything. This just went along with what Indy said.
Hey JB & Co!:D
Here’s my question. There are many a stupid criminal out there, yes, but, for someone proposed to have been “planning” a murder, of her child and, as some believe, her parents, too, why on Earth would she tell anyone that she’d been missing for 31 days? That’s just absurd. Casey could have claimed the girl was missing for a day or 2 and no one would have really known the difference. Then that leads me to the fact that she had been staying w/Tony for 2 weeks straight and he says he never saw Caylee. She had stayed w/Amy and Ricardo, while Tony was gone, and they say they never saw Caylee, BUT Casey was also alone a lot of the time, and before her car got towed she could have been off somewhere w/her daughter for all they knew. But C & G knew THEY had not seen her at all for 31 days (they SAY) so maybe she knew that would not work. But then, if the whole thing was schemed out, why not tell people she had gone missing much sooner, hide the body REALLY REALLY well, and call police to report a kidnapping? Wouldn’t that have been a smarter plan?
Why did she choose the Nanny story? Why not some random stranger snatching her from the park? You know, ” We were at the park , and Caylee was on they playground. I was on the phone and not paying full attention, by the time I hung up, I looked up and Caylee was nowhere to be seen…. ” I mean what was she thinking?
So this is why, IMO, the 31 days was due to a cover-up, like you say, JB.
George has always seemed questionable to me as well,… He seems arrogant and egotistical. He was an ex-homicide det. He thought he had the smarts to pull this one off… And, in many ways, he did. Except Casey was finally enlightened as to what kind of guy her dad really was, once she had some time away from the house. Jail became her safe haven. 31 days was enough time in George’s knowledge and experience for Caylee to have been decomposed enough that no one would ever be able to tell how she died… but even more importantly, that she had been molested.
Ya’ll should go check my “BONES” post comments between myself and HGM. She made some very interesting points!!
http://catoutloud.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/bones/
i tired to watch that show of the people courts and just could not hear them at all, what were they saying? how did it end? how sad that she is missing now, i pray they find her safe and she can be with her kids again…
and
HELLO folks!! hoping your all doing well!!
Spidergirl, I couldn’t hear it very well either.
I thought it must be my computer, but hearing what part and seeing what part that I did,
Michelle seemed very frustrated. I know they have cases on there where it gets heated, but it didn’t seem to me that the judge caught the seriousness of the situation was in.
I thought that the day it was taped it happened, but she went to his house to drop the kids off and that was the day it aired I guess for the first time.
The judge split the $5000 between the two and her ex still wasn’t happy.
There is something wrong with him. She said they were trying to get back together for the kids, but the last time they were together, it seemed like he mostly wanted to fight.
He is a scary man and his dad seems just as scary.
I saw on one tape where Michelle’s dad almost couldn’t hold it together.
You know they are scared to death.
Too bad she ever met him. He shouldn’t have the kids either. Things like this happen way too often.
COL,
Thanks I’m checking out bones.
That is very interesting, but I’m so slow.
Thanks for laying it out like that.
I’m going to check it out more.
Hey Spidey!
How’s it going?
I wanted to drop an excerpt here real quick:
“Domestic violence, intimate partner violence, corporal punishment, and child maltreatment
The relationship of domestic violence or intimate partner violence (IPV) and child maltreatment is receiving increasing attention. Each year, between 3.3 and 10 million children witness episodes of family violence; 30-59% of mothers of abused children are victims of domestic violence or intimate partner violence. Additionally, children whose mothers are victims of domestic violence or intimate partner violence are 6-15 times more likely to be maltreated compared to children living in families in which their mothers are not being battered. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recommends that pediatricians assess for the presence of domestic violence and intimate partner violence in the child’s family and observes that intervening on behalf of the victimized parent (typically the child’s mother) may be an effective child-abuse prevention strategy.”
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/915664-overview
In this case, it seems that Casey was atleast battered by her parents as she told Tony..
heya lolypop, whew thought it as my computer too, so good to know it was just a bad recording…
yes, i do believe that things like this happen way too often, but i doubt he showed his true colors until he had her hooked and in the boat, she was already in deep and then the kids, when he knows that she has no where else to go, that is usually when domestic violence occurs… what imho and from what i have seen in cases such as this, the lady does reach out to friends, family, the police and even the courts, sadly, way too many men charm their way out of anyone believing the woman, because they common excuse is, well you went back to him didn’t you? and then the woman is left not having anyone believe that such a sweet, kind, charming man could ever be the one at fault… it is a very sad and destructive cycle that is very hard to jump out of… and really can you imagine what JM feels after telling this couple that they were both at fault, not even knowing the circumstances of how he was in the relationship, on his past abusive ways, on his past beatings with convictions that he spent in jail for? she must be just besides herself after having had these two in her courtroom… but there you go, another example of no one believing that she was the victim and that man was just no good to her or the kids… that i think happens way too often, hence why woman are stuck for longer then they should be or sometimes forever in these types of situations…jmhoo
and your right about her father, holy heck, i feel his and her mom’s heartache right through the tv… just a sad sad thing for them to have to face, their daughter sounds like a wonderful daughter, a great mom and is such a beautiful soul, i do hope for them and her kids they find her alive and healthy…
if i find a better copy i will post so you can see it too lolypop, hope your having a wonderful day
col, i am off to check that out, thanks for the heads up!
JB,
When Baez said that in opening, I never once doubted that George did that.
AND I believe he molested Caylee. I wanted to know why Casey could pick only one of the three to see her. Wouldn’t it be ok for each one at different times to see her.
I think that she wanted to see George because she wanted to talk to him about what he had done and it wasn’t going to be a secret anymore.
That’s why he wanted to be in the courtroom during the testimony. It sure wasn’t to support her. He thought he could still be in control.
And Baez was so passionate about it because it was ok, the controlling is over.
Remember Baez told him that incest had no statues of limitations?
Thanks Spidergirl,
REALLY!! I did think it was my computer. I checked all of the volumes on it and it didn’t get any better.
I know just what you mean and there’s nothing I hate worse than to feel like you’ve been charmed by someone.
I had a friend that showed his real colors the DAY after they were married. Thank goodness she didn’t have any kids and got out of it early.
But, I know that’s not always the case. It’s like you said they really don’t want to talk about it and don’t know where to go. I’m sure the judge must feel terrible. They get some on there that are just a joke and then you get the real thing. THat was one of these cases.
Have you heard why they handcuffed the ex’s father and also where did Michele work?
but here is a question i have, because i am not up to date on this case, if she dropped the kids off at his condo, how would he have been able to drive off and hurt her? i mean he had the kids didn’t he? or was someone else at home that could verify that he left the home and was indeed the one who did this to her? i don’t ask this because i think he is innocent or guilty, or even a good guy, but i am curious, if he had the children in his condo, how could he have left the children alone, esp young as they are, to do this? do they have the cellular pings for him yet?
gonna search for stuff and post what i find out, but maybe you all already know the answers
I have not been paying attention to the above case, but as for how he went and killed her when he had the kids, well… Someone that is capable of murder is usually not that concerned about his kids welfare either. He could have left them at home while he tended to business.
There is a story about a guy who killed his wife, loaded her in the trunk, then put the kids in the car, drove around w/the body in the back and the kids knew nothing. He could have killed her at the house and did something similar. Killers don’t care about child-rearing ethics…
well that is true, i guess a murderer wouldn’t care at all col… but i wonder if it was one of her customers at the bar she worked at…
not sure lolypop but i am working through the files i am finding to see if indeed she was working at a bar, but i do know that she had a tanning business on the side, called GLOW, and now i am coming to find out that she may have not even dropped the kids off, sadly, just recently, she went to court to apply for a restraining order, the judge denied it, i wonder how bad that judge feels now that she is missing… and the prime suspect is the man he didn’t believe would actually hurt her or was even a problem in her life… i am finding it is way easier for folks to believe it doesn’t exist then actually LISTEN to the lady who is SCREAMING for help… what a shame
http://thebarninsanford.com/ this is the bar that she worked at see below for what they are posting within their site…
SEX: F
HEIGHT: 5’6″
Hair: Brown
Age:32
Michelle Parker is 5’6 with Dark Brown short hair. She was last seen wearing Blue Jeans and a Florida Gators Long Sleeve Zip up Hoodie on November 17th. She Drives a Black Hummer H3 (tag number AWG M26), with “GLOW Mobile AirBrush Tanning” written on the back and side windows.
Michelle stopped by the Oviedo hair salon owned by her mom and sister, then drove her 3-year-old twins to their father’s house in the Carter Glen Townhomes off Goldenrod Road. Parker, 33, was scheduled to bartend that night at The Barn in Sanford, but never showed up.
It’s almost been a week since the Geneva mother was last seen. And as the moments tick away, it becomes more difficult for family and friends.
“Time is always the enemy,” said Robert Lowery, executive director of the missing-children division at the Center for Missing and Exploited Children in Virginia. “The sooner we can find them, the better.”
The Orlando Police Department’s homicide unit has been tasked with finding Parker, standard procedure in missing adult cases. No suspects have been named.
“We are not ruling anything out,” police spokesman Sgt. Jim Young said. “We want to find Michelle and bring her home safely.”
While there aren’t many definite answers in the case, police have released a handful of details about what happened Nov. 17.
- 3:15 p.m.: Video surveillance in an east Orange County neighborhood captured Parker driving to Dale Smith Jr.’s home to drop off their 3-year-old twins. Just minutes before she arrived, Parker and Smith, her ex-fiance, appeared in a previously taped episode of the “The People’s Court” during which they argued about a lost $5,000 engagement ring.
She was wearing a silver-cross necklace – a detail revealed today for the first time – jeans and a Florida Gator’s zip-up hoodie.
- 4:26 p.m.: Parker’s brother, Dustin Erickson, received a text message from his sister’s iPhone suggesting that she was in the Waterford Lakes area, also on the county’s east side.
- 8 p.m.: Parker’s iPhone ‘pinged’ in the area of Oakridge Road near Belle Isle, more than seven miles from where she was last seen. Her phone was powered down in that area and has not been recovered.
The next day, police found Parker’s H3 Hummer in the parking lot of Walden Palms Apartments, 4700 Walden Circle. Decals for her Glow mobile-tanning business had been removed from the windows. From there, the trail has gone cold.
In the days since Parker vanished, her family and friends have rallied the community into action. They commandeered a parking lot at the now-shuttered Jesse Black Saloon on Oakridge Road, making it ground zero for searchers.
Thousands of fliers and hundreds of T-shirts have been printed with Parker’s picture and information about her disappearance.
Yvonne Stewart has pleaded with the public to help her find her daughter, tearfully asking for the safe return of her “best friend.”
Michelle Parker’s disappearance remains a mystery, but police may be closing in on what happened to the missing mom.
Cops raided the Orlando, Fla. home of Parker’s ex-fiance’s father on Saturday, the latest development in the search for the mother of three who vanished Nov. 17.
Parker, 33, was last seen dropping her 3-year-old twins at the home police raided, which is where their father Dale Smith lives.
The home is owned by Smith’s father, Dale Sr.
The state must return the two children they took away from the estranged ex-fiancé of “People’s Court” mom Michelle Parker – even though cops call him the sole suspect in her disappearance.
An Orlando judge ruled at an emergency hearing Wednesday that the state had no right to take custody of the 3-year-old twins, and ordered them returned to Dale Smith.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6xuaeG6c8E coverage about the search and handcuffing of the father of Dale Smith
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=7675646
DALE W SMITH, II vs. MICHELLE LOREE PARKER
Case Type: SC – Other $2,501-$5,000
Date Filed: 05/18/2011
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=2023381
PARKER, MICHELLE vs. SMITH, DALE WAYNE, II
Case Type: Domestic Violence with Children
Date Filed: 08/17/2009
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=2009278
SMITH, DALE WAYNE vs. PARKER, MICHELLE
Case Type: Paternity
Date Filed: 07/02/2009
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=1049250
SMITH, DALE WAYNE vs. VAN MECHELEN, JILL
Case Type: SC – Other $2,501-$5,000
Date Filed: 11/01/2005
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=790841
SMITH, DALE WAYNE vs. VAN MECHELEN, JILL
Case Type: Repeat Violence
Date Filed: 09/09/2003
i mean how much history do you have to have of abuse do you have to have for a judge to give her a restraining order??? just nuts… yes guilty until proven innocent, but i say his history shows a pattern that someone should have taken seriously before this woman ended up missing…
This dude did it. Based on what we see here, yes, he sure did. Sorry, but it’s a classic case of domestic abuse victims leaving their abuser. Abuser can’t have that, can’t have her, so he kills her. The fact that the car was found parked w/the identifying decals removed is major. Even more so, the phone pinging and then powered off in the belle isle location, shows that her body was driven to or through that location to be disposed of, killer realized the phone was on (did it ring?) and then turns it off realizing that he could be traced. Either that, or he threw it out the window and shattered it. W/the court hearings and the attempted restraining orders, where she was last seen and who with, her ex did it.
This story made my day. Sorry it’s off-topic, JB, but it’s to good to not share. This woman calls the police to help get her boyfriend to leave her house and she ends up in jail, maybe for a long time. I’m not a firm believer in karma, but this makes me wonder. Naturally, it happened here in Flori-duh. Here’s the link:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/palm-harbor-womans-call-to-deputies-leads-to-her-arrest-in-pinellas-park/1204037
it isn’t looking so good… and there is more too
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=7009058
STATE OF FLORIDA VS. SMITH, DALE WAYNE
Case Type: Criminal Felony
Date Filed: 02/20/1990
BURGLARY
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6637789
STATE OF FLORIDA – VS – SMITH, DALE WAYNE
Case Type: Criminal Felony
Date Filed: 06/30/1992
AGGRAVATED BATTERY (Attempt)
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6704535
STATE OF FLORIDA VS. SMITH, DALE WAYNE
Case Type: Criminal Felony
Date Filed: 11/15/1996
BATTERY
along with other misdemeanors that i did not list
so yes col, does look like this is the reason he is the prime suspect… good lawd how did no one in the courts notice this when she applied for a restraining order????
hey YD!!! so great to see you
and yes, that gives whole new meaning to those who live in glass houses and all, wtf! and that is a great story!! so glad they caught her, someone lost their life due to her driving, all i can say is WTF!! thanks goodness, now that ladies family can finally get some closure and finally the person who killed their loved one is in jail…
Restraining orders are hard to get… It’s a shame but the system does not seem to be very well equipped for dealing w/stalking and domestic battery cases. And to be honest, the legal piece of paper does little to deter the abuser/predator from carrying out their plans, so it does minimal good, for all the trouble. It CAN help if the abuser is scared of the law or being caught, but most think they are too smart to get caught and, unfortunately, many ARE.
The battery charges you posted just add the icing to the cake. He did it. Thank God he did not kill the kids!
Hi spidergirl! I’m afraid that Dale Wayne Smith is bad news. Those cases you listed were 15-20 years ago, but I don’t think that leopard has changed his spots. I was surprised that the judge let him have custody of the kids again. I say I’m surprised, but as a long time resident of Florida I guess I’m not all THAT surprised. I keep hoping that she is in hiding somewhere outside the area, but I think she would have tried to make some contact by now. Very sad.
Unfortunately, this type of story happens much too frequently here in Florida. The Sunshine State is a magnet for all sorts of losers. My sister was in a relationship which she was lucky to get out of with her life. It was a very difficult time for her, but also affected the rest of our family deeply. We all lived in fear and had to deal with this guy’s threats on a weekly basis. The stress on all of us was tremendous and we could not breathe easily until we finally saw his obituary in the paper.
Spidergirl,
I can get you tube on the TV but had to turn it full blast to hear it then. After that went of to regular volume, It sounded like a plane hit the house. LMAO!!!
I guess our hearts are all ok, that was a good test. : )
Anyway what I saw, my daughter watching it with me, we thought she actually wanted help and didn’t think he was so damn funny.
His facebook profile is very scary. He’s very scary. Too bad she even met him.
What happened in the ex’s fathers house, since there was a raid and he was handcuffed?
I was wondering about her dropping the kids off at the condo too. I would be scared to be around him or his family. Did anyone see her actually do that?
yes COL, restraining orders are hard to get for sure, there is very little that the abused can bring forth as in evidence to say otherwise sadly your not always marked up on the outside and even then there were no witnesses, that fine line of doubt in anyway and the charmer wins, and they are way to smart to put anything in writing or on tape, so it does make it hard…but i think judges should def look into the past history of that person as far as physical evidence that show he has this type of tendency inside, what a shame huh…
yikes YD!! so sorry for your sister and family, that couldn’t have been easy for you all. it is just sad that so many waste their whole existence on a person just to torment them, i am not sure i could exhaust that much energy into hating anyone, even those who are not the best to me… being nice and moving on is just easier then wanting to destroy a person and i have no desire to live in darkness and gloom, what a sad life… but i guess it takes all kinds to create a society… and that is even more of a shame
hope you are both doing awesome!! you too lurkers
OUCH! LOL GO Mr Green!!
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/december/352401/Who-is-Zenaida-Gonzalez
http://missingpersonsblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/michelle-parker-embarrassed-about.html … Yvonne Stewart said that her missing daughter was humiliated by her appearance on “The People’s Court”.
Yvonne told ABC News that Michelle said, “It was the most humiliating experience of my life. I don’t even ever want to see it. I wish I had never gone.”
Michelle Parker, 32, from Orlando Florida and her ex-fiance Dale Smith appeared on The People’s Court to resolve a dispute over a $5,000 engagement ring.
Yvonne was asked if she thought that Smith had anything to do with Michelle’s disappearance and she said she didn’t know.
Whether Michelle’s was so embarrassed when the show televised that she is in hiding has yet to be known. One thing that makes it seem unlikely, is the fact that she has three children and her car was left behind.
___________________________________________________________________________
**I found this on the above website, and wonder, if this is true maybe she feared what he would do after it aired? maybe she was threatened and felt that hiding was the only thing to do… and i am sure if she is found, and let’s just pray that this is why, that people will forgive her and understand you can never ever tell if this guy didn’t say bring my kids and get out of town or i am killing you all… what choice is a mom to make? this would be a better outcome then her have been killed by this guy and possibly along with her kids… with a restraining order having been filed against him, a court show that publicly declares him as a abuser, and them fighting over custody of children, people that have major anger issues tend to go NUTS especially since the judge didn’t fully side with him, not sure he is the type of personality that can handle folks not giving him everything he feels he is owed… so i would forgive her if this is what happened… it would be better then the alternative
and at this point her being alive is the best thing…
lolypop i think that they are finding that the hummer they saw in the video was not hers and was that of a neighbor that had a very similar type auto, w/o decals and different rims, so this may not even be her, as far as they can confirm, the last time anyone saw her was at 2pm as she left the family salon to pick up her kids from daycare… also, from the time frame that she left, picked up children and the time Dale Smith says she dropped kids off, the times don’t jive with the distance/time it would take to get there… so no one is 100% sure, those poor officers, they are working on almost nothing
and about the father of the ex dale smith i found that there maybe a chance that during the search all of the people in the Smith home were taken outside and handcuffed. so maybe they knew something no one else did?? so many unanswered questions…
but if she went missing just hours after that aired… ii give stock to the fact that he was brewing inside, and maybe just snapped when he saw the show and either physically or psychologically did something to her, i am hoping though that she is just in hiding, but sure do wish they would give the children to the grandparents (either set of grandparents as long as they have a track record of loving and caring for them) in the meantime, just to ensure their continued safety…
Hiya spidey! How are ya? the family has a facebook page & I read somewhere on it last night that the lake that they have been searching is where dale sr apparently went fishing either the day off for the day after she went missing. when I get home I will geton my laptop and post that facebook link. I feel so bad for those kids and the family. I went out there today & brought some propane for their heaters so they can atleast stay warm bc it has been cold here & picked up some flyers to disturb you around my side of town
Spidergirl – In our case the police knew how dangerous this guy was. Not only did my sister get a restraining order against him, I easily got one for my wife and I and even got one for my parents. This was about 20 years ago. It is a shame the courts make it so difficult to get one now. I have already read about 2 cases where the woman who wanted the restraining order ended up being killed. I hope this is not another one, but it’s not looking good.
I was just thinking while I was typing this. If a guy really wanted to hurt (or kill) somebody bad enough, do you think a restraining order would stop them? I would think that if they are willing to commit a murder, violating a judges order probably does not seem like a big deal to them. JMO
Lol Idk what happened at the end of my post…should say distribute on my side of town lol oops
They should get her text messages court ordered. Most cell companies archive the text content for at least 2 weeks. If they want any real hints they need to act quickly and get those texts, I’d bet they’d find some answers there. Whoever it was, got rid of her phone, most likely thinking that evidence would disappear along w/it. But not so. I have yet to check the links, so please tell me again which county this is in. I will call/email them, myself.
Exactly, Yellow Dog. Those who have it in them to kill do not feel limited or hindered by the law. I experienced something similar, and the only thing that stopped the guy and brought relief and freedom back into my life was his early death.
http://www.facebook.com/michelleparkermissingperson
This page is ran by the friends & family of Michelle Parker
hello addie, doing awesome thanks for asking and thanks goodness for you helping!!! your awesome to do that, good luck to you all who are helping, what a beautiful thing to do ((addie))
and no YD, like COL pointed out earlier that murderers don’t care about much, and the more i consider the cases of death even under restraining order, it probably for some of those folks makes them angrier and even more determined, you become their target then, so sometimes those things can be counter productive to your goal of safety, but the one thing good about them, is that the police do not have to decipher the domestic problems he said she said, they can just arrest the person on the spot… that is the only good thing about them.
http://www.freewebs.com/forensicprofilersresearchgroup/antisocialbehavior.htm snippet from website,
“Not surprisingly many psychopaths are criminals but many others remain out of prison using their charm and chameleon like abilities to cut a wide swath through society and leaving a wake of ruined lives behind them.”
how true is that statement?!!! spot on if you ask me…
Thanks Addie!! I sent an email. Hopefully they’d already thought to do that but it’s not as obvious as people think. If I could know the names of some of the case investigators that would be even better. Or if you are involved, you could pass that on for me. That content is time sensitive, so it would have to be done ASAP. The family could call her cell company tell them that they need to them to hold on to any content they may still have and have the investigators confirm that a subpoena is in order, if they choose to do so. I feel those last day’s texts messages would reveal some very important info.
So true, Spider.
Really Addie,
Everything that is fact about ZG is just what Greene said.
I hope that the judge does throw it out. Too much
court for me.
You know Spidergirl,
I really wonder about the last time she was seen. If the Hummer didn’t have the decal on it, it probably wasn’t her.
At the day care has anyone spoken about her picking up the kids.
It’s so hard for me to believe Michele picked up the kids from day care, she had just seen the show on TV and I imagine he had to, why would she take the kids to his place?
I don’t think they were living together, so something must have happened right after she picked up the kids.
The way he was always grabbing her from behind doesn’t sound good either. He was probably following her.
LOL, Addie, it doesn’t matter whether you distributed them or disturbed them.
You helped them.
Thanks I thought that was funny and something I would do
so I totally appreciated it! lol
Yes, good for you, Addie
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Loly, I think w/the whole car thing, the decals would be removed by the “killer” or “kidnapper” to make the car harder to find and identify. They knew those decals would be part of the description of the car to be on the look-out for. He/she thought they were being clever.
I thought it said in an above comment by SpiderGirl:
“- 3:15 p.m.: Video surveillance in an east Orange County neighborhood captured Parker driving to Dale Smith Jr.’s home to drop off their 3-year-old twins. Just minutes before she arrived, Parker and Smith, her ex-fiance, appeared in a previously taped episode of the “The People’s Court” during which they argued about a lost $5,000 engagement ring.”
So there was surveillance it seems of her in her ex’s parking lot maybe? Or pulling into the complex? They weren’t very specific as to where she was captured on video. Could have been leaving the day care, or at a store near ex’s house.
The court show aired that day but it had been previously taped. So maybe the ex watched it and became enraged for some reason. (I ‘d have to watch it)
COL,
I don’t understand ( I say that a lot, don’t I ) : ) why she would take
the kids to him.
She had just seen the show too, and wishes she hadn’t gone on there. But, did she
have a choice?
Do you know if she was living with him at the time?
He was the kind that got outraged a lot, and really, really outraged.
Something’s not right about him.
I’m really surprised he has the kids.
LOL, Loly,
I think she would take the kids to him because he probably had court ordered visitation or shared custody. Plus, she had to go to work, right?
I don’t know if they were living together but it doesn’t sound like it. I guess I’ll have to go really do my homework on this one now too
LOL, me too COL,
The craziest things keep happening!
I don’t know how we’re going to keep all of this from happening.
The judges do order for them to see their Dad and sometimes Moms.
Guess we can’t control it, can we?
I hope tomorrow we hear good news and they will find her alive.
Guess we’ll go to sleep on another one.
Too sad.
Well, g’night all and sweet dreams! : )
CatOutLoud®
November 29, 2011 at 9:57 pm
The mildew alone should have discolored it beyond what is shown by that picture.
Omar
November 29, 2011 at 10:16 pm
Omar, I totally agree. I think they wanted the chlorophorm in to try to prove Casey had been knocking Caylee out for nepharious purposes. Once they couldn’t prove that, they were still stuck with it.
Indygal
November 29, 2011 at 11:39 pm
OMG! SO true. Thanks for the reminder.
Jill
November 30, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Interesting take Jill. I agree. Also I’ve read alternative thoughts on it in that it is a distancing from the person being spoken about. Emotional distancing but I can also see how that could play into Ownership issues. It’s hard to be close to someone you “own”. I am very interested in reading Dr Ablow’s book. I also totally agree about how the entire media seemed to close their eyes to the whole abuse issue. It’s most of what drew me in. I have been outraged that everyone was allowed to scream in unison “She’s lying!”. Thanks for sharing!
Arkansasmimi
November 30, 2011 at 8:45 pm
THanks Mimi! My daughter and I are facinated with the extreme couponing but none of our stores her will “play along”. LOL. Jerks! Anyway, sweet!
ZubenElSchemali
November 30, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Zuben, I have noticed that discrepancy before. There are a couple of places in those ping maps where they have Casey in one spot, then next ping is 15 miles away and then the third ping is back in the original ping area. SUpposedly the Castleberry tech guy sighting was
This is the Walmart where Thompson says he saw Casey and Caylee on June 16, 2008 around noon:
Wal-Mart Supercenter Store #943
1239 State Road 436, Unit 101
Casselberry, FL 32707
(407) 679-0377
This is the location of Thompson’s computer store Tech Bay, when Casey and Caylee came into his store, abt. June 9, 2008:
http://www.pdcpages.com/page/FL/mait…1-6334662.html
Tech Bay
Central Florida’s Premiere Technology Solutions Provider
Contact :
(407) 677-8324
Address : 905 N Orlando Ave Maitland, FL , 32751
notthatsmart
November 30, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Excellent! Gosh, it’s just all pouring out lately!!!
CatOutLoud®
December 1, 2011 at 2:16 pm
THanks COL!
and I agree with Dale Jr having court ordered visitation with the twins so Michelle had no choice.
Thanks Addie for that news article. I’m LOL-ing as I type. This is exactly what we’ve been discussing, that this ZG couldn’t possibly have been hurt by what Casey told detectives. “you can’t clean mud” LOL If anything, Casey helped ZG. She does have a PayPal acct set up for her at M&M’s.
oh yes, and it wasn’t Charles Greene who picked out what clips to show the public, it was ZG’s attorneys. Who knew? LOL, we did!
But I’m serious when I ask, “why aren’t the “ZG Lovers” (just as they refer to us as the “Casey Lovers”) standing in line to give this woman a job???
Actually, it was refreshing to know, again, we’re on right side.
Well, maybe it will all be for naught..Greene is hoping the lawsuit will be thrown out before it gets started in April 2012. By then ZG’s PayPal acct will be well endowed. Hmm.. I wonder how much money she’s made from that acct so far?
Hey HGM, I see you’re playing catch up!
The bag thing is confusing because of the different photos of it I’ve seen. The lengths have varied and so has the discoloration distribution. Could be different angles, but you are so right about the mildew. I honestly didn’t think of that! LOL. True. I’m gonna study the pics some more and see if I see any signs of actual mildew. Thanks for pointing that out. I love how when I start to have second thoughts or doubt my ideas, someone like you comes swooping in to support them
.
And your welcome!
Amen, JB!
Spidergirl,
Thanks for the report on Michelle Parker. I have a funny feeling about this case. Isn’t it odd, she disappears on the day the People’s Court was aired? It’s not like he didn’t know what she said… so what made him go ape on that day? Speaking of psychopaths, the x-fiancee Dale Smith seems like he fits the bill. From what I saw, he’s a very angry man and IF he really did get away with murdering his first wife, why would he not think he could do it again?
I hope she’s just hiding out too.
Hi Yellow Dog,
I agree with your reasoning. In this case, I don’t think a restraining order would stop Dale Smith. He’s too arrogant. I believe he’s military too. Sometimes this combination makes it worst for the wife and children. I’ve seen this happen first hand with a friend of mine whose husband was a drill sgt. He was a tyrant with his family.
Just from watching his demeanor on the Judge show, he’s not taking no for an answer. Also the audacity to sue her for the ring, after his horrible behavior really tells me he’s a jerk.
Gah, I’m so glad I never attracted these type of men. I’d be in prison.
Hi COL,
I was thinking about the Tanning Decals being torn off the car too. If you watched the trial on the People’s court, when she mentions her new business venture, the tanning biz, you could tell that really annoyed him.
When I think about the fact that she was driving a Hummer and he was living with his Daddy, tells me she had more going on for her than he could dream of.
I think this guy was really jealous of her.
JMO.
Lolypop,
IMO, this judge who gave Dale Smith custody of the children needs to have his head examined. This is a perfect set up for a tragedy. I won’t even say what I’m thinking but we’ve seen it before, especially if he really is guilty of killing their mother. I’m very concerned. It’s a good thing that he lives with his father Dale Smith Sr. Hopefully, he’s not as volatile as his son.
I agree, JB…. I did not know that there was a dead first wife. Yes, that is definitely not a good sign. Just add that into the already bubbling brew and I’d say we’ve got a full course meal, here… It’d be nice if the law would finally catch on to these types and their patterns… I am horrified that a JUDGE would risk these kids lives and emotional well-being based on some old custody agreements. What a sad and scary mess…
Whew, had a busy day so just got here a bit ago and just caught up! Wow great job everyone! JB, one of the news articles at OS said in the depo ZG said she as recd $900 from the pay pal. Dont get me wrong, $ is $ and $900 is ALOT to me, but as I’ve posted it before lol but I will say it again, IMHO $900 isnt very much for 3 yrs lol!
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Also, on the MP, on the Peoples Court thing, it was filmed I think I read, in May and was aired on the date of her disappearance. You know all those shows are edited, so who knows what really happened. The volumn was really low, but they were both drinking and he started bringing up past relationships and stuff, got into big arguement, she had police/security to go with her to get her stuff, the luggage was his and he wouldnt let her take them,so the security got her clear plastic bags, she was in bathroom getting stuff, security by her at the door, he screaming at her give back ring, so she threw it at him, he said bounced out the open balcony door and down I think 9 floors inside the atrium. She did tell this judge he was violent . She also told the judge she wasnt fearful for the kids to be with their father (so that may be one reason that the judge let him keep them)
Also, I found this over at WS last night. This really conserns me because the attempted aggravated battery, wasnt just battery, THE DUDE DIED!
truthsleuth
Originally Posted by Patty G View Post
Suspect in missing mom case was part of ’92 murder investigation
Smith pleaded no contest to attempted aggravated battery for kicking Bryan Tileston’s friend in the head. He spent six months in the county jail before successfully completing his probation and having an adjudication of guilt withheld.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Sus…0/-/index.html
(Copyright 2011 by ClickOrlando.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)
From the article:
Quote:
Despite his outcome with the courts [6 mos + 2 yrs probation), Tommy Tileston says he has no doubt that Smith led the pack that killed his brother [Bryan].
“They all turned on each other, and they all said, ‘Dale. Dale. Dale.’” Tommy Tileston said.
Powerful stuff.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155925&page=2
Sorry that link doesnt work, here it is:
Suspect in missing mom case was part of ’92 murder investigation
Dale Smith was last person to see Michelle Parker alive
Published On: Nov 29 2011 10:18:58 AM CST Updated On: Nov 29 2011 04:35:32 PM CST
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Suspect-in-missing-mom-case-was-part-of-92-murder-investigation/-/1637132/4840178/-/l8q2c0/-/index.html
Dale was named a suspect AFTER the raid.
They didn’t name him a suspect, raid the house and then go “uh oh, we didn’t find anything.”
They raided the house and then after that STILL decided to name him a suspect.
I think if they found nothing, they would have left it alone to “save face,” not named him a suspect.
House raided: Saturday November 26 -
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news…ichelle-Parker
Dale named a suspect: Monday November 28 -
http://www.wesh.com/r/29873652/detail.html
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156152&page=17
http://deathby1000papercuts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Laundry-Bag.png
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony-6682-Court060911-06.jpg (bag)
http://deathby1000papercuts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Black-Plastic-Bag-Casey-Anthony-Trial.png
http://blinkoncrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Blue-handled-garbage-in-dumpster.jpg (2 white bags with blue handle ties)
I too pray she is hiding out, for he truly seems to have a temper. I mean he was discharged from the Marines as dishonorable too. Sad to say but this may give Casey some much needed rest from the spot light
I read on Webslueths, I read I think it was Tony Pipitone stated it, that the first wife died from an accidental overdose and that Dale Smith Jr was in prison at the time. Will try to find where I read it at.
Ok, here it is:
11-29-2011, 02:57 PM
Fact Finder Fact Finder is offline
Investigative Reporter Tony Pipitone
Greetings WSers. I am Tony Pipitone, the reporter from WKMG in Orlando who covered Casey and, now, Michelle.
I have always enjoyed reading your posts, but want to clarify a couple things for you.
I read the 1992 Bryan Tilestone murder case file last week at the courthouse and ran the story last night at 11 after interviewing brother Tommy and seeing OPD name DS the primary suspect. Not that I would not follow a lead from a WS forum, but I had that one for a while.
Regarding the surveillance video from Nov. 17: we have shown the video of Michelle’s Hummer pulling up to DS’s condo at 3:18 p.m. We erroneously reported it appeared to leave at 4:40 p.m. And we almost immediately corrected that report in the same newscast, as well as further clarified it the next day. The second Hummer belonged to a neighbor, from whom police have obtained a statement. MP’s Hummer could have left another way, out of camera range.
I also can tell you that when DS’s wife died in 2001, he was in a military prison. I know more about those circumstances but will report them on WKMG when and if my managers decide they are newsworthy.
I hope that helps.
Tony http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155925&page=3
Michelle Parker suspect Dale Smith has ties to Casey Anthony case
According to WBTV, Smith has had several encounters with police over the years and in 1992 was involved in an investigation regarding a stabbing death. The report indicates that Smith – 20 at the time – was among seven other young men who were leaving a nightclub when another man, Bryan Tileston, 22, was killed. Although he was never accused of the committing the actual stabbing, the victim’s brother told WKMG that the group of men was a gang and that Smith was their leader.
(Connection turned out to be MNJ (Ugh!)
Hey, didn’t we have George working for Campus Crusade for Christ? Wasn’t that where he TAUGHT CPR courses? CHeck this out… DIfferent Dale Smith sr? (I don’t think it’s the same family)
http://www.facebook.com/people/Dale-Smith/570384192#!/profile.php?id=570384192
Hello fellow Missionites. Bad news i’m still alive & well. Been down with the flu for 4 wks & I had a flu shot, but got the flu 3 wks later. I’m still feeling puny, but trying to catch up with ya’ll.
Couldnt sleep, lol. Hi Lisa! So sorry your still not feeling good. Hoping your feeling much better really soon.
I thought this was a pretty good article.
Snippet:
The 9th commandment of Jesus Christ is “Thou shall not bear false witness.” After Casey Anthony was acquitted by 12 jurors Miley Cyrus bore witness that Casey Anthony is a murderer.
Unlike Mile High Cyrus real live thirty two year old nursing student juror number 3 Jennifer Ford does not earn $25 Million per year for singing in the shower, acting like she is a nurse and endorsing sleeping bags and lunch boxes in this skewed world. Unlike Miley Cyrus gorgeous, brilliant, educated, articulate Jennifer Ford juror number 3 in the Casey Anthony case was actually in the courtroom a real live juror charged with the responsibility of determining if in fact Casey Anthony was in fact a murderer.
Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Miley Cyrus Hammers Casey Anthony Juror Jennifer Ford Hammers Her | NowPublic News Coverage http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/miley-cyrus-hammers-casey-anthony-juror-jennifer-ford-hammers-her#ixzz1fNHyG0ws
OK, time for me to humbly apologize. I’m so sorry. When I was checking pings for July 1, I must not have had the pdf of the doc enlarged enough because I saw a 5 as a six, which happens sometimes with the version of the phone records I have. The scan isn’t the clearest. Sometimes 6 looks like 8 or 8 looks like a 6 unless I magnify it enough. Anyway, she was not at Castleberry that day. I wish I could delete the above post because this post to correct it is so far down the line. JB, maybe you’d like to do that so that others coming here won’t take it as truth, never reading this post.
Still, that is the strangest day of all, in my opinion. Looking at what sector her phone pings during the evening, around 7:30, it looks like she drives to the tow yard, driving around the whole property, not just the front side. She was looking for her car, I’m sure. So, most likely, by July 1 she knows her car is there. This day is interesting for another reason. It has in common, a tower that isn’t hit often, but was also hit on June 9, another interesting day for several reasons. This tower, hit at 7:36pm and just happens to be on the property where Michelle Parker lives. Maybe that is why I was drawn back to the phone records, in part. This tower is rarely hit. Also, she makes the same trip, down by the tow yard on June 9. Here is the ping map but I see somethings that don’t match, especially ping 62 which should read 3:55 also. So I want to go through all pings for this day too, when I have time. Here is the WS map for June 9 http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=103915041605280294744.00045da6032c22da46c5d&ll=28.509729,-81.297455&spn=0.267296,0.433273&t=h&z=11
Another thing that June 9 and July 1 may have in common is Cindy. Wasn’t she on vacation both times? I know she took one vacation to include her birthday, which is June 5. So was she on vacation, still on June 9? What would draw Casey South to the tow yard area on that date? If it wasn’t the tow yard, then what? She didn’t make it as far as Annie D’s house. Oh, a few minutes before this ping is when Casey sent the text to Amy about her proud momma moment when Caylee used the potty. Another thing strange about this day is an out of place ping, mid afternoon, just like one I’ve mentioned here about July 15-16, seeming impossible since the phone was supposedly in the hands of LE at the A home at the time. June 9 has something in common with June 16 too. She makes another gunshot flurry of calls to Cindy’s cell about the time she said she went to pick up Caylee. June 9 fits better than June 16. She is pinging the two towers near Sawgrass from 5pm forward for some time. Then she reaches out to Rico and Amy, not TL, reaching there by 5:42. Now, I know Baez said the 16th and the nursing home video, Amy and Ricardo all confirm but this sure is strange. I know there has to be a reason that Cindy said June 9 and Casey followed suit. I don’t believe in coincidences.
Now, I’m back to work. Take care all.
Hmm, Zuben, Very good work. I’m going to have to read that over a few times to compute it all, but let me tell you something. Just like you think the June 9th might have something to it, (this would mean dates were altered on the camera photos/videos) I think the same was done to the Blockbuster video and the so-called June 20/21st Fusian Lounge photos of Casey. I think they both were taken prior to June 16th.
In one interview w/George he talks about how Lee said the dates could be altered… If LEE, the IT, guy was aware of this being possible, then he is obviously not the only one who knows this.
In the 2nd interview w/Joy Wray, they talk about how the defense took her camera mem card and LE spoke of how they could check to see if the dates had been altered once they got a hold of card or the CD w/the photos…. You see where I’m going here? Excuse my rambling but I haven’t got my thinking cap all the way on yet LOL. I’m sure you get the gist though
Hi CatOutLoud. I don’t know that I could go so far as to think those dates were altered but there is another possibility. What if Casey left Caylee with the Jo Jo and granny nanny against her will, with instructions to get a place and get independent. All we have is Cindy and George’s word that Caylee was never seen again after June 16. We haven’t seen any proof of conversations she had with Cindy or George. I’d have to track down details again but what if on the days that she’s telling her friends Caylee is at the beach, etc it were the same time Cindy was on vacation? What if something similar happened on June 9 except that time she left with Caylee, spending the night at Rico’s, considering hooking back up with him so she’d have a place to live, then decided that just wouldn’t work? Remember Lee asking her if it was like last time? Lee was on the outside looking in when she was pregnant so I could only assume he was left out about most anything important.
I know it must seem silly to be going back over any of this. Something just doesn’t quite fit in my mind with the story as told. I think it is because of Baez wavering on the time of day. He would do that if he really didn’t know and he couldn’t really know if Casey didn’t.
Well I do think that they were altered as far as the fusian photos go. Those guys went on TV w/em before they took them to LE and then they gave a whole lot of run-around to LE when they were trying to meet up and pick up the photos from them.
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_OTR_PieperAzzilonna072908.htm
Homedude says in here that he knew the photos were from the 20th because his Flickr account said so. Well how do we know they weren’t LOADED on the 20th. And he said that he and his partner didn’t even get to Fusion until after midnight….
Now check this one out. You may have seen them already:
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_ArrestSup-No18_080408.htm
What was all that about?
Hello peeps!!
Zuben,,, I too am thrown off by Baez & the screwy time, as well as Casey saying she dropped Caylee off between 9am and 1pm.
Hate to sound like a broke record but this is very important info to consider………
Casey is a very “detailed” liar!!
Her lies sounded so believable because of the details,,,,,
Think back at some of her tales,,,
Think back at what she described she did after going to pick Caylee up at Sawgrass and realizing the nanny had disappeared with her…. She goes on and on about calling numbers that had been disconnected, and going here and there looking for Caylee yet she gives that HUGE of a time frame of when she dropped Caylee off ! ! ?????? ! !
Why and how could she not know ?
The only logical explanation is that, that is the only truth she told.
She does not know what really happened to Caylee, she only knows that whatever happened to her happened after the last time she saw her ( 9am ) and when she realized she was missing or found her dead (1pm)
We know from her pings that she did not leave the Anthony home till 4:30ish pm on June 16th and we know GA lied about the last time he saw them pulling outta the driveway at 12:45 ish (I think was the time he gave)
GA admits he got up with Caylee and spent the morning and afternoon of the 16th with
Caylee.
In all reality, GA was absolutely the last person known to have a live Caylee in his custody. (his testimony and his lies prove this)
I keep hearing Caseys words “the only thing I
did wrong, was trusted Caylee with someone I should not have trusted”
Which brings me to the conclusion that GA is
solely responsible for Caylees death/disappearance.
Again, sorry, broken record …….
Also possible Caylee was snatched by Roy Kronk while GA thought Caylee was asleep in Caseys room and Casey thought George was watching Caylee. Sometimes between the hours of 9am and 1pm.
All I am sure of is that Casey does not know exactly what happened to her daughter, George has done nothing but lied and connived to save his a$$ all the while trying to sentence Casey to death and Kronk has “something” to do with it!
Not much help,, I know, but something to ponder.
Hey Dr.Z !
Have you been back to Kernels Funny Bones thread?
I wanted you to take a look at the shape of the skull and compare it with the links I found and see what you thought.
When you get time of course, I know you’re very busy.
Thank you
Kernel = CatOutLoud
JIC you missed the joke
COL, I have not seen this document before, which surprises me, but possible I missed something. Now, I tried to find the actual document, searched and searched and the only place I found it is at Hinky Meter, http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/reports/incidentreport080508.pdf but it looks different than anything I’ve seen in this case, different font. The link for where she says she got it is a different document. Besides the font, there are no page numbers hand written like all other OCSD docs. I tried to track this down at discovery, where she says she got it but can’t find it. No news links come up when I search any sentence within this doc. It may be legit, I just find it strange, for the reasons stated. If it is legit, notice in the incident report Major Sex Crime is listed again.
As far as when the pics were taken, she was at Fusion that night and a couple others, according to her phone record. She had also been promoting the Hot Body contest. I don’t blame them for getting an attorney and not wanting to hand the pics over. They were making income by being allowed into these clubs. How many would hire them if their work product could be used to incriminate the customers? They needed legal advise. I also think it is wrong to bully them with the FBI. They should have taken the proper legal route and asked for a subpoena.
Hello Everybody! Hoping everyone is having a splendid, wonderful Friday!
Zuben, thank you for your humble apology. I steered the readers to this comment, 2011/12/02 at 8:22 am. That should clear up the confusion.
I’m using readers 150 and ready to move up to 175 so I know my eyesight is gradually getting worst. My friend uses contacts for both near & far sighted. One is for the near and the other is for the far. She said, her brain automatically learns which eye to use for what task. Hmmm.. I’m thinking about trying that because I always lose my glasses.
“Eyes” Yes I know, they can play tricks on us especially as we become more mature, intuitive and insightful.
Anyway, Thank you for being the class act that you are.
Hi Lisa! Nice to see you again. Sorry to hear that you’re not feeling well. Hope you get well soon.
Indygal, I like your broken record.
CatOutLoud,
I’m curious about your hunch. June 16th was a Monday making the 20th a Friday. I would think that there wouldn’t be much going on at Fusion’s on a Monday night which was another reason I couldn’t bite into the State’s theory. KC was NOT that hard up for a good time to commit murder. That’s ludicrous just like everything else about this case. I don’t know why everyone was so surprised that KC was acquitted. Yes, you can get a conviction on circumstantial evidence but in this case all the State of Florida had was a theory.
So are you thinking that if the last day Caylee was seen was on the 9th as Cindy first claimed then these pictures would actually have been taken on the 13th? Interesting… Wouldn’t that indicate that the Anthonys were lying for a reason? Even if Caylee was alive on the 15th as shown in the video how does anyone know if Caylee made it back home from the nursing home? Cindy remembers what she fed Caylee. She says she brought her out to the pool. How does anyone know if Casey even saw Caylee when she got home on the afternoon of Father’s day? As far as we know, Cindy and George could have been playing a game on Casey by hiding the whereabouts of Caylee. It’s a mystery.
AKM,
Thanks for checking out Michelle Parker at WS. I’m assuming WS is diligently digging into this one. Cool. I’ll have to go check it out.
Hellooo HGM! LOL, not much gets pass you! I love it! Thank you.
Thank you, dear JB. You’re such a gracious hostess. Indygal, I read and commented. Thank you for sending me that way.
Zuben – I’m trying to make the connection between “Major Sex Crimes” and photos taken at Fusian. Could they have been investigating a prostitution ring or possibly looking for photographs of individuals who may have been associating with KC in relation to some other sex crime? Sure seems like “sex crimes” keeps popping up. Wasn’t Nick Savage from the FBI involved with sex crimes? IIRC, when Anthony Rusiano was fired from OCSO the letter notifying him of his dismissal was from somebody in the OCSO sex crimes unit. Interesting.
I’ve had the same questions too, Yellow Dog. The report of the guys finding the rope buried at the end of Suburban had sex crimes on it too. The officer told the witnesses that it was a bomb. Weird. Yes, Nick Savage is assigned to sex crimes, especially internet kiddy porn, according to what comes up on him in google. But, even though detectives talked to George about horrible pictures we never saw any and there has never been a hint of anything related to sex or porn in the investigation docs that we’ve seen. Only this label on some docs.
Droping in for a sec, found this the other nite, reminded me since yall were talking about Major Sex Crimes, ZG husband Maykoll (married/never div, father of 2 youngest dtrs) was arrested back in 1997 :
I have often wondered when I started reading back about the porn on GA computer and stuff. Wonder if this is another coincidence? I know 14 yrs ago, 11 back in 2008, but never know…
September 24, 1997
Undercover sting nets arrests for solicitation
Kissimmee police arrested four men for soliciting prostitutes after conducting an undercover sting Friday night.
Jay Kavanaugh, 24, Edward Alica, 40, and Maykoll Esparza, 19, all of Kissimmee, and Thomas Barkley, 26, of Orlando were arrested for solicitation for prostitution, a misdemeanor.
Barkley also was charged with possession of marijuana, and Kavanaugh with battery.
All four men were placed in the Osceola County Jail under $750 bond.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1997-09-24/news/9709231012_1_kissimmee-police-osceola-orlando-man
Soliliciting of prostitutes
http://198.140.240.34/pa/
1997 MM 002314 MM STATE OF FLORIDA VS ESPARZA, MAYKOLL D
File Date 10/14/1997 Case Status CLOSED Case Status Date 10/14/1997
Ticket Number
Case Disposition CLOSED Case Disposition Date 10/14/1997
Party Information
Party Name Party Alias(es) Party Type Attorney(s)
ESPARZA, MAYKOLL D
DEFENDANT
GENERAL
COMPLAINANT
Party Charge(s)
Case Party ESPARZA, MAYKOLL D
Count Code Ticket Number Description Disposition Disposition
Date
1 796.07(2)(F) SOLICITATION TO COMMIT PROSTITUTION
hello folks just wanted to say happy weekend to you all, looks like were all just settling in and online at the moment, yay
hope your all having a sweet friday night
Dont forget, if your in the Central time zone anyway, that Jose is suppose to be on Dateline at 9:00. Think I will watch then go to bed. Prayers for peaceful rest to ALL! Hugs, Mimi
See yall tomm! Have a Wonderful Weekend!
Sorry if this comes off rude, but does M&M set up pay pal things for all their clients? Well this says trust for children, is there a diff with these lawyers?
bobkealing bob kealing
Two sources: #Michelleparker family/ #OPD will hold newser at 2pm. command post, trust fund for children and police search are topics.
8 hours ago
Hi ALL,
Wow…you all have been busy. Most do not know this however there was a smith involved in the anthony investigation. My computer got a horrible virus yesterday and wiped out the whole thing..yes all of my research into casey case. Even ricardos phone records. Luckly I have a very good memory and will be able to find most again.
Smith, Dale. Can anyone give me a breif summary to his family? more specifically his mother? is she bio or step? and I will see what I can find out.
I really do feel that there may have been some sex industry related something or other in the midst of the Casey case… I have wondered if this is how Kronk is connected. I have also pondered whether those “compromising” photos of Casey that George “found out” about and was so “sickened” by had something to do w/any of what happened. I wondered if George, if he had been molesting Casey for so long, had started using her for financial gain in internet porn? He was an “easy money” kind of guy. I do agree that there was some legit reason for the sex crime investigators to have been involved. How it is related to Caylee’s death exactly, is what I have not been able to figure out…
What do ya’ll think?
Can any of you tell me if Lee Anthony did actually have an “escort for sporting events” business at any point? Was that just a rumor or misinfo?
Even before I had formed much of an opinion on this case, IDK why this has stayed in my mind, but on one of her IM chats or text messages, Casey mentions that she was sick, and I believe that was her reason for not having been out in a while or why she couldn’t go out that night. Along w/being sick, she said her doc told her she had “bruised ribs”…. She mentioned that her “doc” has prescribed her some type of pain killer or muscle relaxers for the ribs. I have always wondered what might have caused her such an injury.. Anyone with me?
I’ve thought all along that George was pimping Casey out, COL. I also came across a youtube video once of a man stating he had hired Casey but it was quickly removed.
JB, When I try to post under my regular account, it won’t come through. That’s why my avatar is gone. Not sure why?
COL – I have always felt the “porno” aspect of this case actually had more to do with George then it had to do with Casey. The fact that it was kept hush hush and never revealed ANYWHERE (i.e. to the media) is what primarilary makes me suspect. I know the court ruled it could not come into the trial but all other info like that was released to the media. Something that makes me go hmmmm?
It blows my mind how people think of George as this poor wronged guy! Relatives from both George’s family and Cindy’s family described George as a gambler and a LIAR!
It was so obvious that George was lying on the stand. Even people who were for conviction of Casey have admitted to that.
It has been talked about before on here about the strange way GA and CA have of talking about their immediate family members. I was reading the first interview done by LE with George and it was totally weird! He refer’s to Cindy not by name, not as my wife but as “my spouse” (that’s cold!). Casey as “my daughter”, Lee as “my son”. Cindy does the same thing except she says “my husband” instead of spouse. The one thing that is so glaring about their interviews is they both use Caylee’s NAME! To me this is a big red flag as to the disfunction in that family.
This whole case would make much more sense and fit together with all that is out there in print if the reality was that Cindy went into a rage that night (when the neighbor’s heard the fight) and hurt Caylee as Casey tried to leave with her. If this whole elaborate coverup and Casey staying gone for that month etc. was to protect Cindy from prosecution the pieces would fit for me. It would explain Cindy and George’s actions (and extreme emotionalism), Lee’s actions too. It would explain why Cindy might have lied on the stand. It would explain why GA and CA are still together.
It is obvious that George was nothing without Cindy. She was the one who helped him have some facade of “respectability” and bailed him out when his “gambling” debt would have put him in jail. She bailed Casey out when she took that money from her grandfather’s fund, etc. She was the HEAD of that family.
Oh well, I just pray – for Casey’s sake – that what really happened within this family and to dear little Caylee will one day be revealed.
I love this site and the wonderful people here who are real “thinking people”! We are doing what I believe LE should have done in this case especially because it was a DEATH PENALITY case. We are exploring and asking questions and looking at more than one person as a possible suspect because the pieces just don’t fit for Casey “murdering” her child. Heck, they don’t fit for ANYONE MURDERING this child – which is exactly what the jury decided. As someone else stated, the prosecution tried this case on their THEORY of what happened, not the circumstancial evidence because the circumstancial evidence was all junk science and incorrect data (i.e. chloroform searches, duct tape placement, amount of chloroform in the air, who smelled “death” in the car and who didn’t, etc.).
What do you all make of this conversation with Shirley Peasa and the dectives when they interviewed her on July 22, 2008? (SH and KK are the dectectives)
15 SP: I can tell you something.
16 KK: Okay.
17 SP: Uh, I don’t know what date it was, but when Cindy wasn’t hearing from Casey I’d
18 go home from here and you know how the answering machine gots (sic)
19 solicitors on, right? I put this, I played it and it was a jibber-jabber of a little kid
20 with a whole lot of noise in the background. And they let it play and run until the
21 thing stopped.
22 SH: Uh-hum (affirmative)
23 SP: I don’t know who’s doing that. I don’t think Casey would do that with her
24 daughter. Somebody’s horsing around is what I figured. Well I don’t know how
25 much later but it was, then the, within a few days I got another one. Well I
11
Plesea, Shirley/Case #08-069208/GG
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1 answered the phone and it just went on with a little, same identical thing. So it
2 had to be a recording to get it to sound like that. A little child jibber-jabbering,
3 and which Caylee speaks plain if she’s going to speak.
4 KK: Uh-hum (affirmative)
5 SP: You know, she is almost three. She’s not just two. I mean she’ll be three in…
6 SH: Uh-hum (affirmative)
7 SP: …a little bit. But, uh, that was two times. So I told Cindy the other day, I said, “If
8 Casey says she heard I hope she could identify Casey, or Caylee,” because
9 maybe it was some weird thing like they did to me. Somebody playing something
10 on a, I haven’t ever had it, you know, since she’s reported missing or anything.
11 KK: Uh-hum (affirmative)
12 SP: But it was during the time, two times.
13 SH: Now this gibber-jabber was not Caylee’s voice?
14 SP: See, I wasn’t, in a way I wasn’t expecting it. But if I said it was Caylee’s voice I’m
15 not telling the truth because I don’t know. But it sounded like a little kid.
16 SH: But it didn’t jump out at you of, oh, this is Caylee. Why is she not talking plain
17 English? It didn’t jump out at you like that?
18 SP: I’ll tell you the first time it was just a shock.
19 SH: Uh-hum (affirmative)
20 SP: And the second time, as soon as they knew a person answered they played just
21 such a little bit and stopped it. They didn’t let it go all the way, you know, like
22 that. And nobody answered when I said hello.
23 KK: Uh-hum (affirmative)
24
25 (end pg 1)
(pg 2)
1 SP: But they just started playing that. Now other people in the, you know, they might
2 have been doing that to a lot of different people just to bug them or something.
3 But…
4 SH: Uh-hum (affirmative)
5 SP: …that, I had to say that when you don’t have a definite date or something, but
6 that, I had no reason to mark that down.
7 SH: Right.
8 KK: Right. You just figured it was…
9 SH: And I always, uh, after I get about four things on there I erase it. Well, I imagine
10 somebody could always dig up because I never change the tape. But, uh, it , it, I
11 couldn’t identify it as her, but I know I had two different ones. And like I say, the
12 first on was recording on my recording machine and it went until they left all this
13 noise and stuff go on until the taped stopped. Until the time ran out or
14 something.
15 KK: Okay.
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_S_Plesea072208.htm
I don’t remember this ever being discussed. Could it have been a set up to have her say she heard from Caylee after Father’s day? Seems very coincidental.
OK, I know I am bounching around here but have been going back over testimony and leads that are bringing up things I hadn’t heard of or related together. Here is another one”
JB-you posted about the Gonzalez/Ortiz/Stephanie Kostakis connection way back on May 23, 2010 http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/second-look-8718-brackenwood-dr/
I just found this info on the same Stephanie Kostakis (who was good friends with Jesus Ortiz) http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10467 (look at post #8 by LiveLaughLuv). It says on Stephanie Kostakis’s resume it lists her as:
Ms. Stephanie Kostakis – Assistant General Manager, Amscot Financial
Too weird? Yep! This case is getting more tied together every day! (like when we say the world is smaller then we think). The link no longer works but sure would love to see that resume!
Noni, I agree! I do think George was very likely involved w/the porn aspect, but I do really wonder if he had coerced the emotionally disturbed Casey into the underground industry. Maybe, over time, he tried to get Caylee in there too? Just a thought. If George is the type of guy we suspect him to be, he would not be above such notions… Ya know what I mean?
I could be WAY off, but I feel that it is possible that is how Kronk MAY have gotten involved. I could be just “ASS-uming”, but Kronk is a nasty dude and I just have a hard time believing it’s mere luck and coincidence that he ended up in the mix.
I think, as for the comment above, that that chick worked for another branch of the Amscot.
And the recording? Well it would have to be someone who knew who Mrs. Plesea was to the Anthony’s… Could it have been someone in the family covering their butts? In that case it could have been Casey or anyone else in the family.
BUT here’s my question. I just read something stating that, at the crime scene, they had found a child’s book that may have been the one she was reading at the nursing home. I had never heard this before, is it true?
Hi Everyone! : )
Noni,
Remember when Baez said disfunction lives in this house? I think it lived in the whole family. I believe that Cindy’s sister called into NG’s show saying that she couldn’t believe that Casey was aquitted. What is wrong with that family? Seems to me the whole family would not have cared if Casey got the death pentalty. Her sister sounds like she’s just blabbing. You can’t make out any sense why she would say that.
I also agree that it would be George into porn, even MAYBE Cindy, but not Casey.
I can’t for the life of me understanding how so many are poor George. I wonder if the girl he was having the affair with knew more about the situation.
Why didn’t she go to the police, or did she?
Wasn’t it after the affair came out that George ( TRIED ) to commit suicide. Again POOR George. I hope that they are looking deeply into Poor George life . They may not be able to charge him with murder, but child porn and incest they cvould. I think there’s even more. The way this all happened, I think a lot were involved and I hope someone that cared is still investigating it.
MWM,
Sorry you lost all of your info. Very curious about Dale Smith. I haven’t heard anything about his Mother. And didn’t know he was married before until reading it on here.
I do wished that we had REAL journalist, instead we get junk lounalist. No one that will ask question, REAL questions. It’s like they start out with some of it, very little and then the rest is propaganda.
They NEVER ask the people that should be asked the hard questions.
You really think Smith could be involved with Caylee?
This guy just is scary in my opinion and absolutely should not have the kids.
Hey Loly, I don’t think Casey would have her daughter involved w/porn but w/the way she was raised and “allegedly” molested by her father and her brother, it would not at all be surprising if she ended up in the industry. If so it could be due to the hyper-sexuality that could have been a result of her molestation, OR dad and/or bro manipulated/”pimped”/exploited her some more as she got older. George wanted to make easy money and I think he would not at all be above using his “little girl” to obtain some if he saw fit.
Hi COL. I read that recently too about the book. Never saw any other reference to it so just thought it was another “fantsy” statement of evidence by someone mad about the lack of conviction.
I agree, it could have been anyone in the family trying to use Shirley to say she had heard Caylee’s voice after Father’s day.
Lolypop – the LE will NEVER investigate anyone else in this case unless someone puts it out on the media that there is irrefutable evidence. LE NEVER ADMITS WHEN WHEN THEY ARE WRONG. It is against their “Code of Arrogance” (as I call it). Even if they forced into a situation where they HAVE to investigate someone else they will find a way to say “Casey was an accomplice” just to save face. Check out statements by LE at the Innocence Project where it has been PROVEN someone else did it. I guess it takes a certain type of tunnel vision to be a prosecutor. Look at Nancy Grace – she was so outrageous in her prosecutor’s role that she both hid and manufactured evidence to win a case. That’s why she has no problems putting out false evidence and stating lies on her show. Look at how she thinks and that is generally how LE looks at a case. Sad isn’t it?
It’s horribly sad Loni,
Because it says to me they really don’t care if they convict the right person.
How can they possibly sleep at night knowing that not only were they trying, lying for a conviction to send someone to death, but the real killers are free and they know it.
That’s just outrageous!
They all were calling Casey a liar to try and hide the lies they were all telling.
The oath is to tell the truth.
Why even take an oath?
I know COL,
I think that Caylee always looked comfortable with Casey, not so much Cindy, Lee and George. Of course we sam more of her with Casey.
The one they show as the (Father’s Day? ) picture, Caylee didn’t look comfortable at all leaving with Cindy.
I also don’t believe that was Fathers Day!
Except just a minute COL, the BONES picture, I’m terrible at trying to figure those out.
I know “I’m Hopeless” LOL
What would I do without y’all.
But the Bones is the skull bigger in that picture or is it Caylee at all.
Told you I was hopeless. : )
Agreed, Noni!
Loly-
The problem w/the skull photos is that we “for some reason” haven’t been able to see anything of all the skull photos, aside from the basic color. For whatever reason, they thought us seeing the skull by it’s lonesome would be more offensive than seeing the entire skeleton of a child… Um ok… LOL, that makes a whole lot of sense. To this day those photos have not been unblurred for the public.
I was surfing the net and don’t remember hearing this. Do any of y’all?
I had read where Cindy had seen her on the 8th of June, George the 9th.
When Cindy picked up Casey on July the 15th, she told Casey I’ve given you 31 days. I never heard any date at all from Casey.
But, she has been talking to her on the phone during this time. I even remember her going over and picking Caylee up, but don’t remeber the date. So what does Cindy mean that I’ve given you 31 days, for what?
I read before from Cindy and George it was the 8th and 9th but don’t remember this.
Do any of you? This was at about.com
LAST DAY MOTHER SAW CAYLEE ANTHONY
June 9, 2008
Casey Anthony, mother of two-year old Caylee Anthony, told her parents and police that June 9, 2008, was the last day she saw her daughter.
Anthony told investigators thast she left Caaylee with a friend and nanny, Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez
oh, continued!…. (Zanie), but has since lost contact with her friend.
Police were told about the missing child on Jult 15, 2008, when the child’s grandparents called 9-1-1 and reported Caylee missing after confronting Casey and learning that the mother had not seen her daughter for 31 days.
Have any of you seen this before.
I never heard of Casey mentioning a date. And why did Cindy say I’ve given you thirty-one days? 31 day, again for what?
OK, COL,
I think that I get it now. I told you I was hopeless, but I hope that I’m not helpless.
I think that I get it.
Like my husband just said, they don’t want us to see it.
Why was that so difficult for me.
See, the haters want to know mundane things like the jurors, Casey’s pictures, but they aren’t concerned about the real facts and forensics, Right?
My husband calls me rebel without a clue! LMAO!!!
Awwww LOLY!! That was cute
. Have a lil’ more faith in yourself! 
Since we can’t actually see the skull in any other photo but the one of the full skeleton, it makes it real hard to determine much about it. The only thing we can see is that the skull on the skeleton is very discolored. The skull in the blurry photos, that were taken AT and immediately after they were taken from the scene, are grayish, which is a cool tone, versus the reddish brown, which is a warm tone. So the question is how did the gray skull turn brown AFTER it was recovered from the scene?
And, yes, the haters seem to mainly consist of followers and parrots of the media and rumor mills. They often come w/very little facts to back up their claims and formation of opinions. It’s wackity wack! LOL
Oh that’s the best description fits perfectly, wackity wack! LOL
It’s true though. If you ask several people why they think she’s
guilty, they get REALLY don’t have an answer. Baaaaaaaaaaaa! LOL
The bones color that you showed, I guess I missed something,
I didn’t see that during the trial
I wish they would have to show the picture like it really was.
Hell, the way they show it we could assume, they’re lying again.
Maybe they don’t even have a skull. This was the most pathetic case I’ve
ever seen put on by the state. Shameful!
COL,
As I was checking bones again, I found out a whole lot more of questions and comments.
Actually there were many questions that I have found people like me were asking but, didn’t have a place to go that wasn’t bias to Casey. I sure wasn’t getting ANYTHING from In Session or HLN.
So, finding JB and then on and on I’ve got a lot to catch up on. The colloration of the bones as really got me going for the rest of the year PLUS so many things that may be answered in some way has been a relief to me.
Thanks COL and JB and whoever is trying to sort some of this out.
I wish it were in book form, so I could sit and read it all. It’s all so interesting.
Bless you for caring and doing something positive for Casey.
And this really helps me a lot! : )
LOL
It really doesn’t make sense does it, Loly… By now you’d think we’d have seen the unblurred skull… The “chameleon skull & bones”… There were, and still are, SO many details to look into that it’s overwhelming, so I’m not surprised by how many things were missed or overlooked. But those things are coming back to the surface and begging to be looked at. It’s all in the details w/in the details.
The haters will have to face it all someday. I hope that’s not just wishful thinking, on my/our part. I don’t feel it is though. We shall see, huh?
Thanks LolyPop!
JB seems to be the “Casey Case Reality” pioneer. I think I came across her sight on my search for answers so many times. I LOVED to find someone that had the same questions as I did and many others did and was speaking up about it. It gave like-minded folks like us a good place to express our thoughts and observations w/out getting into proof and document wars w/mindless zombies. I spread as much of that around on another site and then it just died off. But I wasn’t done, yet. And so, here we all are! LOL 
Hello Everyone,
I’ve been out most of the day paying respects to my Mom, JB. Today is her birthday.
I miss her so much and it saddens me to know she’s gone forever. If she were alive today, we probably would have taken her to a nice restaurant, where she would order a grill cheese sandwich…lol Her usual because she really didn’t get a big thrill out of eating like the rest of the family and she was very picky.
She wasn’t a big meat eater and didn’t like seafood which was like the exact opposite of my Dad who happened to be a good cook. As a matter of fact, my Dad did most of the cooking in my family. He’d cook over the weekend and all she had to do was warm dinner up in the oven during the week which my Dad didn’t mind doing because she always did the cleaning up after him.
So today, if she were here, as we all ate well, laughed and told jokes at the restaurant, after reading the Birthday cards and opening presents, we’d all move on to my house for cake and ice cream. Her favorite was white cake with chocolate fudge icing and of course, a cup of coffee.
Happy Birthday Momma JB! I miss you and love you.
Lolypop said:
Wow..I’ve given that some thought too. That statement does implicate June 9th as “The Day” which makes more sense, even if Casey was guilty of murder. Even a so-called manipulating liar would KNOW what day she’ll claim was the last day she saw her daughter? This makes me believe that Casey was being coached and she was just following along with what Cindy was telling her to say.
Another thing;
I don’t really trust the timeline because as we all know, Jesse Grund, AH and a few others all got together at the Anthony home to put together a timeline. Each one fed off of the other when it came to dates. Honestly, I wouldn’t be able to tell you what I did last month. It would take research such as check stubs, doctor appts and grocery receipts to be absolutely sure.
I wished LE would have gotten to all of Casey’s friends before they had a chance to compare notes. I don’t think that’s the usual practice. Just like I find it unusual that they didn’t separate the entire family when they found out Caylee was missing on July 15th.
So many interesting comments!
Noni,
Thanks for bringing this up. Did you happen to figure out what date it was when Shirley said she received that weird phone call?
I agree with you.. “code of arrogance” and that’s what makes me a non-believer in this case and others. I’m appalled when I read that a prisoner has proof of his innocence yet it takes years before the prosecutor gets thru the red tape and actually lets them out of prison. Disgusting.
Here’s a bit of trivia I found on Yahoo’s home page. Of 100 cities in the USA, 3 of the top 10 of the Saddest Cities are in Florida. Tampa, St. Pete and Miami. LOL, so much for all the FunNSun crappola huh?
Hey, I just want yall to know, I’m happy to find you guys as well! I wish we would have ALL met up sooner. Can you imagine what we would have put together?
COL and HGM both have very informative blogs and very nicely put together too.
Who knows…maybe we should collaborate on a book, huh?
Hmm… I’d buy it! lol
hehehe.. Have a nice weekend everyone!
Happy Birthday to your Mama, JB
I hope you and your family had a lovely day in her honor.
Oh man those dates… They stump me, but June 9th seemed to keep coming back up for a variety of reasons. This June 9th seemed to pull me back to Ricardo and Casey’s “falling out” that occurred on that day.. The last day Rico saw Caylee alive. Rico had said in a text to Amy AFTER Caylee was reported missing, that he didn’t think they should let Casey out on bail. He said “what if she kills herself?” Could be nothing but a genuine concern, but w/all the love he claimed to have for her, why would he not want her to be released? The things he said sometimes were just off. Amy had also described him as “weird” and “unemotional”. She said, “he’s just a guy who doesn’t care a whole lot about anything”… IDK that put him on my red-flag list. Caylee disappears a few days after he confronted her about Tony and that she couldn’t be sleeping w/other guys and him too. That caught my attention, but how did that June 15th nursing home video come about? I couldn’t make it fit. But he did seem to become a little obsessed w/Casey after June 10th.
REVIEW HERE:
Pt 1
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1678501/Casey-Anthony—Amy-Huizenga-text-messages-part-1
Pt 2
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5103535/Casey-Anthony-Amy-Huizenga-Part-2-text-messaging
Pt3
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1678505/Casey-Anthony—Amy-Huizenga-text-messages-
Part-3—Caylee-Anthony
The friends timeline get togethers? REALLY? These are a bunch of kids and this was a source of “excitement” to them, I hate to say. Not too many of them had know Casey very long, and I agree that there was some peer influence going on in these get togethers.
LE was def slacking on the process from the start. The parents should have been among the FIRST to be interviewed along w/Casey and Lee. What were they thinking?? SMH.
And JB I have had similar thoughts about a book collab
It’s not a bad idea!
hello fellow missionites
wishing you all a super nights slumber just wanted to stop by and say hey!!
jb: re: Shirley Pleasa’s statement of recordings on her phone of a “little child”.
I got this info from her LE INTERVIEW 07/22/2008
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_S_Plesea072208.htm
She says this about the time/date she found them on her phone:
17 SP: Uh, I don’t know what date it was, but when Cindy wasn’t hearing from Casey I’d
18 go home from here and you know how the answering machine gots (sic)
19 solicitors on, right? I put this, I played it and it was a jibber-jabber of a little kid
20 with a whole lot of noise in the background. And they let it play and run until the
21 thing stopped.
22 SH: Uh-hum (affirmative)
23 SP: I don’t know who’s doing that. I don’t think Casey would do that with her
24 daughter. Somebody’s horsing around is what I figured. Well I don’t know how
25 much later but it was, then the, within a few days I got another one. Well I
11
Plesea, Shirley/Case #08-069208/GG
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1 answered the phone and it just went on with a little, same identical thing. So it
2 had to be a recording to get it to sound like that. A little child jibber-jabbering,
3 and which Caylee speaks plain if she’s going to speak.
4 KK: Uh-hum (affirmative)
5 SP: You know, she is almost three. She’s not just two. I mean she’ll be three in…
6 SH: Uh-hum (affirmative)
7 SP: …a little bit. But, uh, that was two times. So I told Cindy the other day, I said, “If
8 Casey says she heard I hope she could identify Casey, or Caylee,” because
9 maybe it was some weird thing like they did to me. Somebody playing something
10 on a, I haven’t ever had it, you know, since she’s reported missing or anything.
This interview was done 7/22/08. She states it happened “when Cindy wasn’t hearing from Casey” and says “I haven’t ever had it, you know, since she’s reported missing or anything.”
From the above statement it happened between Father’s Days and the date she was reported missing. This would rule out someone in the public pulling a harrassing stunt. It could be coincidental but that is a far stretch given the facts in this case.
Noni-
Yeah, if it hadn’t happened since she was reported then it’s an “inside job” or whoever had her or knew where she was was the one who did it. I don’t think Mrs. Plesea would just make something like that up either. The problem w/one of her statements is that Caylee did not always speak “plain” and clear. We heard her in the more recent videos and she still had some jibber-jabber going on, so it could, very well, have been Caylee or a recording of Caylee. Who would do that? Who would think to do that, to HER, of all people? I guess Casey could have thought to do that but IDK… Wouldn’t it make more sense to have had “Caylee” leave a voicemail on “frantic” Cindy’s phone, though? To calm her down, IF Casey was the one behind it? What would have been Casey’s purpose of doing that to her G-ma? No one ever said anything about a ransom note. Isn’t that more the type of thing that is done in a ransom kidnapping?
Who usually saw Caylee w/Shirley? That would be Cindy…
G’morning to everybody! : )
Well it’s morning to me! 2:22 lol
Can you please go here.
PLEASE!!!!
I couldn’t copy and paste, so I’ll try this.
IT IS very important!!!
http://crimesceneblog.com/Blog/?p=65
When you read it, it isn’t very long, tell me what you think.
Looks like Cindy and George saw Caylee OR had her last.
George? He knew Cindy and Caylee were going up there. He knows how LE investigates. He is the big manipulator in this whole case. I am clearly biased but works for me!
Happy Birthday to your Mom too, JB!
Gone is a hard word to accept.
You do have have wonderful memories! I love grilled cheese sandwichs too! : )
One of my favorites.
But, for those we love so much not to be here, is just to painful.
I know it’s going to be, but I don’t have to like it.
You’ve gone a wonderful thing in memory of your Mother. She would be
so proud! : )
Noni,
I agree. George will do ANYTHING for George.
He doesn’t care about anyone else.
When Casey said she heard from Caylee, couldn’t that have been the same
thing? GEORGE?
grilled cheese, yummy ~ those really are the best comfort food on a nice chilly afternoon, so add me to that list
hello folks
sorry i missed that, hello JB and in beloved memory of Momma JB, a most happy birthday
xoxo
What surprises me here is that many of you talk about how Casey was unjustly accused by the media due to her actions and that you stand for justice on how someone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law but yet many of you are doing the same thing you condemed others of doing to Casey ( referencing to the Michelle Parker case). Statistically Dale Smith would be the number one suspect to LE but if we rely on statistics, that’s also why Casey was the number one suspect. While I too have suspicions that he may have been involved in Michelle’s disappearance, I do not condeme others public opinions on blogs as being injustice-I view them for what they are …opinions. My opinion means nothing in the big scheme of things only a jury’s decision matters.
So where is the outcry here that Dale Smith is innocent until proven guilty? It was the number one theme here where Casey Anthony was concerned. Dale Smith has a history of domesic violence that would make him questionable to police, but that alone does not prove anything. Casey also had a criminal background of stealing even though she wasn’t previously charged prior to Caylee being reported missing, stealing even from family and friends is still criminal behavior but by itself does not prove involvement with other crimes it just shows that the person has a character trait which involves a history of criminal behavior and where the possibility exists statistically that criminal behavior can esculate. Those behaviors alone may mean nothing in involment of a person’s death, but when combine with other evidence can show that someone is not detracted from committing unlawful acts. Lying is another character trait, which is also dependent on the context of what the person is lying about.
I am just curious, if the tables where turned(in reference to Casey Anthony case)since most here believe that not just George but everyone else(but Casey) is suspicious or involved with Caylee’s death. Think of the worst lies that your teenager has told you, the ones that you discovered are lies? Did you cause the lies? Depending on the type of lie, did you rush your child off to a psychitrist or brush it off as immaturity or something they’ll grow out of? If your child became angry at you(or for any other reason) accused you of the most unthinkable action or crime angainst them or your grandchild, an act that you knew was absolutely not true, how would you defend yourself? How could you prove your innocence? Especially if you knew that your child was accusing you to distance themselves from any responsibility or trouble being connected to themself. What if the crime your child accused you of gained National attention and people blogged about it, some supportive of you while others viewed you as suspicious? Would you be upset? If Now and forever, some people look at you and think that explains why the kid would lie or cover something up, because of the unspeakable acts that you inflicted on them. Not even considering the possibility that kids can lie for various reasons like to get out of trouble or due to influences by friends or movies/tv shows they watch where people obtain things they want by lying. What if in the beginning, you had friends that were extremely supportive of you, but as National attention grew, distanced themselves from you because they didn’t want their lives scrutinized or people judging their behaviors? Or worse, what if they changed their mind about you and believed your child? Would that bother you? How would you defend yourself against something that couldn’t be proven one way or the other? What would your feeling be toward your child if they were accusing you of things you did not do? Even though you may still love them because they are your child, would you be angry and resentful? Would you want to continue a relationship with them if you knew they were capable of accusing you of something so horrendous? Would you want to expose yourself to them so that they could accuse you of something else? What would your mental status be? Would you blame yourself for not acting at the first sign of trouble? Would you be angry, confused, disappointed, torn, depressed? No matter what, your life will never be the same. I’m asking because I’m curious, what if it were you and the accusations by your child were not true? Please explain how you would over come this.
Kimpossible, my son accuses me of stuff all the time. “Mom, where did you put my shirt?” or “Mom, why did you move my stuff?” I respond by stating the truth. I also feel it’s vital for me to be truthful in order to set an example. You keep calling Casey the liar but do you acknowledge all the lies that were told in order to set her up?
I was just speaking with my partner about this new Syracuse sex abuse scandal. I remember when the first victim took his ‘allegations’ public. He was dismissed and called a gold-digger until he could prove the ‘allegations’.
My partner was quick to point out that does not happen in cases of violence. Only sexual abuse. If the guy had said his coach was beating him or being violent, I highly doubt he’d undergo the character assassinations. Why is that?
Kim,
You as an adult, a parent, your first and formost priority would be to listen to your child.
MOST, the MAJORITY of the time the child is telling you the truth, IF you choose not to listen, ignor it, it will go away OR not to believe them you have let down the most precious thing that you have brought into this world. They look up to you and know you will help when no one else will AND you let them done calling them a liar? ARE you kidding me. THe child isn’t going to tell because THEY are the ones that want you to think they have the best parents in the world. They want to please and protect their parents, when it should be the other way around.
So if the parents don’t believe them OR parent, they learn to keerp secrets and yes their parent has just tought them LYING is better in a case like this.
When Casey first told her Mother, why didn’t she sit down and talk with her.
Test
You ask how would we feel as an adult if the child lied? I would feel like OK we all need to talk. I would NEVER disown my child and I would listen and FIRST, you better know I’m going to believe him/her. Confront whoever then and tell them never to come around again. An adult has to think what happened to cause this. Then maybe go to their doctor, their doctor talk with them and find the problem.
You want so bad to believe that Casey is lying about being molested. WHY?
You can’t possibly believe George would do anything?
Casey has no way of proving unless she told someone and then you would say she was lying. That’s why more and more children are molested. The molester is believed and the child is left feeling for the rest of their lives there is nothing/nobody they can trust or believe them. TRAGIC! AND you’re one of them. What if your child came to you? I can only imagine what you would say or do.
Well said, Loly!!! I agree!
As far as Dale Smith goes. He’s a 40 year old man. He IS violent. You can’t even compare the two. Casey wasn’t a violent person.
AND I guess you forgot but the majority was the same to Casey. THEN they found out the truth, but that didn’t help them, the ones like you only got worse.
And feel so sorry for George. Casey can’t prove it NOR can GEorge, BUT you feel sorry for George.
I believe Dale Smith even had several felonies far more different than you want to compare to Casey. NOT even close.
So I believe he RIGHT now is the only suspect. He will have a trial and IF he’s aquitted, the jurors were in the court room every day, didn’t miss anything, I would respect their verdict.
KIm,
I loved where you said your opinion means nothing in the big scheme of things, only a jury’s matters!!
RIGHT!
Wherever you post, or write please explain that to all of them.
THey didn’t get it in the Casey trial!
KimP.,
I understand where you are coming from, but just like Loly was saying, Casey did not have a record of violence or any witnesses to attest to her having ever been so.
In domestic abuse cases such as MP’s, where there’s a long trail of smoke, there’s USUALLY fire…
Part of my opinion of him and the likelihood of him being responsible is based on his history, along w/the statistics. When a man/woman has a long history of domestic assault & battery, repeat assaults— (and didn’t one of those leave a guy dead?), and someone close to them ends up dead, under suspicious circumstances, it makes complete and total sense to look into that person first, even if they are not guilty.
In this case it could be very unlucky for him to have that type of history– especially w/MP, if he is not the one who made her vanish. I do take into consideration that it might not be as obvious as it looks. We should keep in mind that she had just been on TV. Maybe some sicko saw her on the show and then saw her on the road and decided to do something to her. IDK. But a GOOD look into this dude is DEFINITELY warranted. And a GOOD look into George and Lee and Cindy and Kronk (especially w/HIS history) was also warranted in the case of missing Caylee Anthony. But that didn’t happen…
Hopefully, in this case the same mistakes are not made. Many women are killed everyday by their abusive/controlling husbands, boyfriends, exes, obsessors/stalkers. This area needs some awareness just as child incest/sex abuse does.
Loly,
You are SO correct!
You cannot even begin to compare Caseys case and Dales potential case!
Apples and Oranges period.
Kim, I don’t know why I am responding to you, it’s obvious you have an issue with us, and I have not a clue why you choose to read here, when you apparently think were hypocrites (that’s how I interpret the majority of your posts) IMHO
Anyhow my response to you is,
Not a one of has said Dale is guilty.
We are fully aware that he is innocent until proven guilty.
I don’t know where you are getting that but I have read only posts such as…..
Not looking good
Hope she’s in hiding
My gut tells me he’s responsible
Etc……
You seem to understand the concept of OPINION very well, so I just don’t get where you are coming from.
The thing that separates JB Mission from other blogs is the KNOW IT ALLs spewing HATE.
I could understand having a problem with us proclaiming Caseys innocence while demanding Dale be hung because we know he is guilty.
But this simply is not the case.
Just how stupid would we look and what fun would the trolls have if we WERE insisting Dale was innocent?
For one thing, not enough info has been released and another, what little we know,
Does not paint Dale as exactly a loving harmless boyfriend.
The JB mission is not ALL about innocent until proven guilty,
It’s about finding FACTs and using those FACTs to form justified OPINIONs.
For the most part, we all seem to share the same opinions, because after debunking the rumors and sticking to the facts, we are left with few conclusions.
Kim, I am truly sorry if I am wrong in thinking you have trollish tendencies, it’s just you never bring anything insightful to the table.
Please indulge us with your theories,
You are highly intellectual and seem at least half open minded.
I’d really like to hear them,
I have a really hard time reading you,
I want to think you come here for new info to expand your knowledge to help solidify your theory.
I don’t want to think you come here to (in a round about way) ridicule us.
Well said LOLY!! I couldn’t have said it better myself.
Lolypop,
You must be one of the very lucky ones to never have had your child or teenager tell a lie to you. Our family is very open. I have sat down with my children frequently and discuss all different topics ranging from respect for ourselves/others, alcohol/substance abuse to sex and protection. If you ask any of my kids, what would be the one thing they could do that would upset me the most, they will all say ‘Lie to her”. They will tell you that their punishment would be worse for lying as oppose to the action they were trying to get away with. Why? Because with our many discussion, we discuss that while our past actions can never be changed, it is only compounded when someone lies about their actions. I can’t help you if you lie to me and with each lie that is discovered trust is lost. If I ask them a question about a behavior that might concern me, I don’t expect them to lie to me. I’ve raised 3 teenagers and they’ve been caught in different lies at vaious times for various reasons. Sometimes we find out about the lie unexpectantly, such as talking with another parent or one of their friends. One of my children lied about a boyfriend (who we knew did drugs) that he wasn’t her boyfriend because she knew we wouldn’t allow her to see him. One lied about smoking, another lied about drinking alcohol. One lied about spending the night at a friends house but went to a party instead. They’ve all lied at one time or other about homework(which is harder to get away with due to most schools having websites). If a lie is discovered, we address it and discuss it along with consequenses and punishments. When I asked why they lied, I was given a variety of reasons from embarassment to not wanting punishment, mainly the reason was to hide what they were actually doing. My 15 yr old son tells me that he hates hearing about responsibility because it seems every action is connected to it. When he’s with his friends he just wants to have fun, but sometimes finds himself thinking would that be responsible or safe. Prior to being on medication he was very impulsive, now he can concentrate more.
I trust my children until they break the trust and then they know it has to be earned again. If my child lies to me about being at a certain place, the next time they want to go somewhere I definately check to make sure that is where the are going to be and that there is supervision. It may upset them that at 15 or 16 I would call another teen’s parent but my job as a parent is to make sure they are safe, not try to be their BFF. If you don’t think their friends can influence them to lie, then you must have your head in the sand. I don’t know how old your children are, but if they are adults ask them if they ever lied to you about anything when they were younger or hid something from you.
What I had asked was earlier was what if your child had publicly accused you of doing something horrendous to them and you knew it not to be true? How would you defend yourself? What if they told a school counselor and was then wisked away by children services how would you be able to talk to your child about it then? You would be busy trying to defend yourself.
So to attack me for asking a question of if the shoe was on the other foot is just as crazy as the other people you condem and makes you no better. I did not attack anyone, I asked a questions and made an observation on what amazed me about those who spoke of a person being innocent until proven guilty. If that’s not being hypocritical then I don’t know what is.
I have been on both sides of the fence, I have been molested as a teenager and I’ve had a friend falsely accuse her father of molestation where I had to testify. My daughter(at 17) also had a family member touch her inappropriately and she came to me right away and told me. The person was arrested and convicted only spending a less than a year in jail (years later learned he inappropriately touched 2 other family members). My daughter felt comfortable enought to come to me and I did what I needed to do.
It is only my personal opinion based my own sexual abuse and also on all the documents I’ve read,jail house tapes, jail letters, and especially Casey’s first phone call home, that sexual abuse was not the cause of her behavior. Casey cursing at her mother showed me her lack of respect and her anger over the fact that everyone’s first concern was Caylee as opposed her feelings that their concern should be for Casey being in jail and giving her the boyfriend’s phone number. The jail house letters also talking about Lee and the sports bra thing, then saying she thinks she remembers her father may have done the same thing when she was much younger…that is a big difference from him putting his penis in her mouth. I wasn’t there so I can’t say for 100 percent that she wasn’t molested by her father, but neither can you say with absolute certainty that she was. Your opinion is your opinion, but just because Baez said it does not make it true either. The jury was told not to consider it because there was no evidence presented, so if molestation was not to be considered then what would George’s motivation be to cover up an accidental death? Casey could be the one with the motivation to cover up an accidental death. Why? Cindy. If she didn’t want to be forever judged by Cindy, never forgiven by Cindy,possibly hated by Cindy. If she also didn’t want her friends to think badly of her.
Kim…I know I’m really only speaking for myself here, but I wanted to just clarify something. From what I’ve read on this site over the past 10 or so months that I’ve been reading and commenting here…..the majority of the fine folks here initially thought that Casey was guilty too. Most of us heard the news story….31 days, mom partying, yada yada…..and like the majority, we thought, “hmmmm…..this gal is guilty and it will only be a matter of time before the police break her down”. SO…..the fact that Casey was investigated or considered the prime suspect from the beginning is not troublesome to us at all. It was not until after the evidence began to be released in document dumps that those of us who felt Casey was NOT guilty of murder began to have the sense that something just wasn’t right about what the media was saying. It didn’t add up with the evidence that was released.
What IS troublesome to US is that after the extensive man hours that were allegedly logged in this “investigation”, so little was done to really INVESTIGATE anyone OTHER THAN Casey. What happened is that the Fusion pics were released and that’s all it took for the public to start crying for Casey’s head on a platter. Throw in some mythalogical chloroform “evidence” and….bada bing…..she whipped up chloroform to silence her kid so she could party. No one was looking for the truth. They were building a case against Casey PERIOD. There is WAY to much tangential evidence that was NEVER followed up on. It was simply swept under the carpet….and it was CERTAINLY not reported on the news.
So, apples vs oranges is correct, as Indy pointed out. I for one know nothing about the Dale Smith case. I haven’t had time to look into it, so I have absolutely ZERO opinion on the case. However, having said that…..if the guy has a history of violence, it would stand to reason that he would be a suspect. I think that the thing we understand here that is maybe passed up on other sites around the web is that being a suspect or being investigated does NOT automatically make a person guilty. Until we have the facts in this case through over 30,000 pages of evidentiary documents released thanks to those fine Florida Sunshine laws……we can only speculate based on what little bit of info we have.
And another thing……JUST BECAUSE we came to the conclusion that Casey was innocent of murder DOES NOT mean that we always pull for the accused or that we root for the criminal mastermind or hope that LE fails in it’s mission to bring criminals to justice. THAT is a fallicy passed around on blogs by people who can not fathom the thought that ANYONE else thinks differently than do they. Personally…..I’m way more prone to look at the facts before coming to a conclusion about ANYONE. And I am also intellectual enough and educated enough to understand that only a fool would believe everything they hear on the nightly news. Therefore, I think it’s safe to say that those who have stated opinions about Dale Smith have done so based on the initial info they have read. None have stated a KNOWLEDGE of his guilt, nor of a cry for his blood. FURTHERMORE…..I can GUARANTEE you that those same people on this very site who have stated anything about the man one way or another would GLADLY and HUMBLY recant anything they’ve said about him that may have been negative IF there is evidence presented that he was either uninvolved or wrongly accused. It’s called being open-minded. You certainly don’t see THAT on other sites.
Finally…..if you take time to read through posts here going back as far as the beginning of the case, you will see that very few, IF ANY, of the regular commentors here ever said that Casey acted normally, nor did we ever say that her lying was to be commended. Nope. We called it what it was. But the bottome line is this: There are as many reasons for lying as there are lies. Sure, Casey was a liar…..but so were MANY, MANY other people involved in this case, and I certainly don’t hear anything about THOSE liars being guilty of anything. Right off the top of my head, I can think of 84 reasons why I think Jeff Ashton is a liar…..and yet, he’s a media hero. What was his reason for lying???
Kim….(again)…I agree that it would be very difficult to defend yourself (as a parent) against a false accusation by a child. I understand what you’re getting at with that question, and I don’t disagree with you. But if you look at that situation from a different paradigm…..George HIMSELF makes George look suspicious. Even before the trial when Baez accused GA of molesting Casey……George’s own actions made him look suspicous. WHY would GA have done everything in his power to point the finger at Casey? There are 2 reasons that I can think of that would answer that question: 1) He genuinely believes that Casey killed her daughter so she could go party OR 2) He had something to hide. How many people were able to back up GA’s stories? How much strange behavior did he and Cindy exhibit? Initially, if you go back through the most popular anti-Casey blogs, you will find that MOST people hated ALL the Anthonys equally and felt they were ALL involved in covering something up. However, when Baez put voice to the word “molested”, the hatred for Baez by the hate mongering masses outweighed their OWN initial suspisions about the other Anthonys. It must be really sad to hate someone so much that you are willing to mutate your opions to be the polar opposite of the target of that hatred….and that’s what happened regarding the Anthony’s during this trial. When Baez wasn’t openly criticizing them, the public HATED them….but when Baez said GA molested Casey…..well, then the cry was “poor, poor GA”.
You yourself said in your comment above that Casey cursed at Cindy and became openly angry at her during the jail house videos, and then you turn right around and say that Casey may have wanted to cover this accident up so that Cindy wouldn’t be mad at her. Ummm……I seriously doubt that Casey was too worried about Cindy being mad at her given the way she spoke to her. ……let ALONE the fact that Casey had “stolen” from her numerous times. Cindy being mad at Casey never seemed to be a deterrent for anything that Casey did. Nevertheless…..you could be right. But on the other hand, we are listening to those jailhouse visits from different perspectives. What I hear is a girl who is really angry because her parents are playing dumb and she’s taking the fall for it. I’ve heard so, so many people talk about how Casey knew those jail house visits were being recorded and they use that as some sort of justification for further criticizing her less than amiable attitude toward her parents. I, however, hear a girl who is sick and tired of “playing the game”……one who may have been told to keep her mouth shut and just play along because they’d take care of things and see to it that she was out soon. “Don’t worry…..I haven’t told anyone…..” comes to mind from one such jail house visit with her parents.
I guess it boils down to the fact that you and I listen to those jail house recordings from different mindsets and therefore, we take away different opinions when we listen to the same words. That’s totally ok. One of could be right and the other wrong…..OR, each of us could be partially right and partially wrong…..OR we could both be totally wrong.
Either way it goes, though……I believe the Bible when it says that things done in the dark will be uncovered by the light. Sooner or later the truth will come out. When it does, I will be humble enough to admit it if I’ve been totally wrong. BUT….I will also stand before God with a clear conscience and be able to tell him that I NEVER cried out for anyone’s blood. I may have disagreed with people along the way. I may have sorely disliked some of the players in the whole saga…..but NEVER did I ever wish any of them dead NOR do I harbor hatred in my heart for them, because to do so would make me a murderer according to the Bible I read (1 John 3:15).
Now I appear as a trolll to some because I have a diffent opinion? Many of you didn’t like it when you posted on other blogs and were called that because your opinins where different. I’ve opened up my life experiences so that you know what I base my opinions on. I read to see how others base their opinions and the facts they base them on. I have never asked for Casey’s blood or head(I don’t even believe in the death penalty) and I don’t resort to derogatory name calling. I’m looking for any evidence that George sexually molested his daughter, but I’m only seeing the same speculations that others placed on Casey.
Omar, what is the concrete evidence that George sexually molested Casey? That is one of the things I want to know because I have actually look into the face of a person who was falsely accused and I know the damage it can do. I also know the damage sexual abuse can do to a person and I have also looked into the face of my own abuser. Do you not think that if your child was accused of something horrendous, that you might not be torn on being truthful? That you might want to consider any possibiility that would end with your grandchild being alive. That you might consider maybe your child got involved somehow in the death of someone else and that’s why the grandchild is missing. Cindy believed that Casey was protecting Caylee and would be seen as the mother of the year as if this was all a made for tv movie. Do you would be struggling between your alliance to your family, your child and your grandchild. I think that in the beginning George brought up Casey’s stealing and lying because he believed that Caylee may have been kidnapped due to Casey taking something from someone. I don’t think he was trying to throw Casey under the bus, I think he was considering it to be a reason someone might kidnap his granddaughter. He even asked Casey on the jail house tapes if that could be a possiblity. Cindy just continued to enable, she did not even want to admit that she ever talked bad about Casey to other people. I wasn’t trying to imply that Casey feared Cindy, otherwise she wouldn’t be stealing from her or cursing at her. I think Casey was tired of being judged by Cindy, that if Caylee drowned accidentally under Casey’s watch that would be something Cindy would hold over her head forever.
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You asked Omar what proof is there that Casey was molested?
Okay, I’ll indulge you this ONE time after that you’ll just have to accept the fact that most of us here agree with the jury, and agree that she most likely was molested.
Common Symptoms in Adult Survivors of Childhood Sexual Abuse:
• Physical Presentations
• Chronic pelvic pain
• Gastrointestinal symptoms/distress
• Musculoskeletal complaints
• Obesity, eating disorders
• Insomnia, sleep disorders
• Pseudocyesis
• Sexual dysfunction
• Asthma, respiratory ailments
• Addiction
• Chronic headache
• Chronic back pain
• Psychologic and Behavioral Presentations
• Depression and anxiety
• Posttraumatic stress disorder symptoms
• Dissociative states
• Repeated self-injury
• Suicide attempts
• Lying, stealing, truancy, running away
• Poor contraceptive practices
• Compulsive sexual behaviors
• Sexual dysfunction
• Somatizing disorders
• Eating disorders
• Poor adherence to medical recommendations
• Intolerance of or constant search for intimacy
• Expectation of early death
I can pick out at least ten of the symptoms from about that would fit Casey.
http://www.aaets.org/article120.htm
JB
Ooops my post at 8:36 was supposed to say
Does not paint Dale as exactly a loving harmless boyfriend.
Instead of
Does paint Dale as exactly a loving harmless boyfriend.
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LOL, I’ll fix it.
JB
George brought up Casey stealing and lying because he was considering Caylee may have been kidnapped due to taking something from someone? Like who Amy, her grandmother?
Did Cindy know that George fell for a Nigerian scam sent them $32,000?
Where did George get that kind of money?
Did he get it from Cindy? Maybe he didn’t get it fast enough. So did her tell her first before doing it? If he didn’t he stole it from her.
They almost split up over it, didn’t they?
He was certainly trying to blame Casey.
HELLO HELLO EVERYONE!!!! Have been super busy pulled in so many ways I feel like a rubberband fixing to snap lol. Its all good tho.
Spidy, love ya mean it!
Wow such great discussions going on.
Have yall seen this? Theres gonna be a small hearing in the morning, so I guess the media is getting ready to get reved up again!
There’s also a short hearing scheduled for first thing Monday morning.
That’s because the other group suing Casey Anthony, Texas Equusearch, also wants to have a voice in that Thursday court battle.
Judge Lisa Munyon will let the lawyers debate that.
When Equusearch President Tim Miller stepped off a plane in Orlando this past Thursday to assist with the Michelle Parker case, he was slapped with a subpoena to appear for a deposition in the Equusearch civil case. (***Note from Mimi, I take this as Greene issued the subpoena to TM?)
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/december/353807/Texas-EquuSearch-files-motion-in-Zenaida-Gonzalez-suit
i don’t think you look like a troll kimpossible, your just discussing your thoughts, and that is what is so beautiful here, that is okay to do
the only part that does come off a bit harsh imho is saying we are not assuming DS is innocent, and have already pointed solid you done it fingers as him being the man who harmed or caused MP to flee, but i am not so sure how anyone did this here, we were just discussing back ground, and you know some of us are pretty good fact finders, and just maybe we could help this family find out what happened to her, you never know and discussing details is how you figure out what happened, but i would say that to me is the only thing that came across in a harsh way in the comparison, since you loose tone and inflection when writing in a blog, i can’t always assume that folks meant their posted thoughts to be insults, rather just their thoughts… maybe it was unintentional or i am seeing into it the wrong way, so i choose to see your post as just that, your thoughts, each and every one of us is entitled to one – i appreciate you sharing
i think that is the only bad thing about texts, wall posts, and such, that tone/inflection is so important in understanding what they meant, it is easy for misunderstandings to happen
just thought i would share my two cents – hope that is okay with you all
and happy evening to you all i send my best your way…
LOL, we know Indy,
And you’re right!
It sure doesn’t,
I really have missed you guys and gals.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY IN THE MEMORY OF MOMMA JB! WE Love and are so proud of your Daughter! I know you were and would be so proud of her blog! Thank you for the inspirations you instilled in her! We love you and her for it! PS give my loved ones a hug for me, Til I meet you in Heaven, Love Mimi
Hi Spidey,
Don’t take this wrong. It isn’t about you!
When someone does have thoughts that differ so much and they know it, they can respect the others opinion without crying they’re being attacked?
We’re past parts where we differ, we know that.
I really don’t understand!
I guess if someone thinks troll, they’re intitled to say so and it doesn’t
come off as harsh to me.
And also discussing their thoughts?
What happens when someone comes over calls us hypocrites?
That is name calling.
Here is a link Someone may want to put on their blog as a link to keep up with lol I might lose. But shows info on KC Appeal.
Florida Fifth District Court of Appeal Docket
Case Docket
Case Number: 5D11-2357
Final Criminal Judgment and Sentence Notice from Orange County
CASEY MARIE ANTHONY vs. STATE OF FLORIDA
Lower Tribunal Case(s): 08-CF-15606-A
http://199.242.69.70/pls/ds/ds_docket?p_caseyear=2011&p_casenumber=2357&psCourt=5&psSearchType=
JB, I believe started the site because there wasn’t a site to ask questions, make comment and yes we all have a different opinion, BUT we agree about Casey.
Kim doesn’t and doesn’t plan on it.
Sorry to bring over a comment again from the OtherSide. But this comment is something that has been playing in my mind, before I read it.
@ Sally M 1:34
That was my whole point to TP–Casey never has admitted that ZFG was an imaginary person. Zenaida is suing Casey, not Baez. I don’t believe under oath Casey has ever stated that ZFG with ties to Sawgrass is not the person who kidnapped Caylee.
Reply Posted by: knightryder | Saturday, December 3, 2011 at 2:47 PM
But what is NOT in the haters favor, is that Casey said Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez. And this ZG (according to media releases that her name is NOT ZFG and that HER ATTNYS ARE THE ONES WHO FILED IN THAT NAME) I agree Spidy, that seems to be illegal to me too.
I also have thoughts that I will keep to myself, From alot of the stuff you guys have brought up in fact finding, and I am so super surprised that Casey completely broke ties with her family. DONE. This was way back. That speaks huge volumes to me personally.
Mimi,
we missed you too. I know that it was a hard week for you and your friend and family. I hope that they will soon find comfort. It’s so hard. We can’t begin to imagine what they’re going through. I know prayer helps.
Remember I told you that I wouldn’t say I would pray because I was afraid I would forget.
I think I’m going to put a pot it on my bed.
Maybe that will help. : )
Thanks for the links.
I guess Miller’s going to be caught up in a long time suit. So much for his searching!
Kim,
To answer your question,
I’d be very hurt, and very angry if my child accused me of somthing that was completely untrue.
But my liar of a child is still my child and my love would not, could not, change to a hate!
A hate so unfathomable I go above and beyond to try to help sentence them to
death!?
Just say Casey did make up this horrid lie about her father,,,
It certainly wasn’t a little temper tantrum
to get sympathy, or to get rid a burdensome authority figure to do as she pleased.
She was fighting for her LIFE!
If I knew my child was innocent and all I had to do was be labeled a child molester to save there life, by golly, I’d admit to ANYTHING!
What is so telling to me is, the absolute hate GA has for Casey,
HATE is not HURT
He HATES her!
For all GA knows, Casey wrote in a letter to a friend/inmate that she thinks GA molested her, she remembering/having flashbacks of being sick to her stomache and being sore down there, when she was young living in Ohio.
Then GAs lawyer warned him the molestation accusations were going to be used as part of her defense.
Knowing what GA knows about what Casey said, if he didn’t molest her, he oughtta be
thinking, I am so sorry she thinks I could have done that to her.
And well the rest is elementary,
I mean, you really think Casey authored Joses opening statement?
I could see GA being pissed the hell off at her defense team, but that’s about it….IF he were indeed innocent.
Another telling thing is Caseys reactions to GA.
She was disgusted by the sight of him!
Her eyes were opened those 3 long years in jail and she pieced together the mystery surrounding her babys death.
She realized her daddys cover-up plan wasn’t to keep her out of neglect charges, nor was it to protect Cindy from a broken heart of knowing Caylee was dead but it was to protect only him and his sick sick sins!
Why, if not true, would Casey obviously, now despise her dad but still very much love her mother?
Sociopath Casey is NOT!!!!!!
Casey cries and hurts when she sees her mother hurt,,, Casey cries and hurts when Lee cries and hurts.
Casey is sorry, she is very sorry for causing her family all this pain.
Yet, don’t shed a tear for daddy!
Had she concocted the molestation allegations to save her ass, she would not have been staring so intently at George, she would have hung her head in shame.
Even tho Casey didn’t take the stand,
that was her time to confront her abuser, and both Casey and George acted accordingly.
Maybe not proof to some but for now,
that’s MY proof.
And of course my opinion
How’s everyone tonight? It was a HUGE football weekend for us here in New Orleans. LSU & the Saints game tonight. Wow, it’s really exciting.
The first comment I read here tonight was from Kim Possible so I’ll address that one first.
Kim, all I can say is, “you just don’t get it”. I’m sorry.
Thank you ArkansasMimi,
For your kind words in memory of my Mother.
i don’t at all lolypop – thank you for saying though
i am hoping your having a super night lolypop and to everyone else, sending best wishes to you all too indygal, mimi, and COL, and anyone else i missed!!
“Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter and those who matter don’t mind.” -Dr.Seuss
Oh Lolypop,,, just like your name you are tooo sweet Hugs my sweet
hee hee love it
JB, your the best! Hey did ya see we are going to the Cotton Bowl YEEPEE
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I did! That’s cool.
JB
JB, and Loly too, ya know my friend who lost her husb then next day lil 2 yr old went to hosp? Well they decided baby had pneumonia but some of the test came back inconclusive. WELL, guess what, TODAY, the lil girls Mommy had to go to ER and NOW SHE IS IN HOSP they are saying with pneumonia. I am wondering if it could all be connected so freaking strange! The father had a brain cancer that they said had been there for couple yrs, but found out end of Oct that had 5 to 7 wks and died and died nov 19th. Have you ever heard of anything like this JB in your med stuff? Just wondering.
Loly thanks too for keeping me and my family in your thoughts. My uncle is better just weak. Will ck to see if he had a heart attack in 2 wks. but did get to go home.
I love coming here, gives us so much stuff to take our minds off of OUR lives with things that dont directly affect each of us. LOL But you would think by the hate some have that it did have a daily toll on their family and so forth.
Mimi,
That was a beautiful post dedicated to JBs mommy!
I wanted to say something nice to JB to honor her mom and to comfort her but I just couldn’t find the right words.
It’s the thought that counts tho, Right?
JB, I was thinking exactly what Mimi said,
(well not exactly, but concur 100%) she just so happens to be a better from the heart writer than I .
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Thank you Indygal.
JB
AMEN.
I understand what KP was trying to say, I do… but when it comes to molestation situation, it does make a huge difference if one has been molested from a very young age over a period of years, VS a few times when you are a teenager. The EFFECTS can be much more extreme to the former. Someone who is a little older and knows better is less vulnerable and more likely to tell and know that it is wrong. The very young child does not always know that it is wrong but is told by their superior that it is to be kept secret or else.
No, we do not have proof that GA did this and so we can’t be 100% sure he did, but there is hardly EVER PROOF that someone was raped, or molested unless they are examined immediately. There are often now witnesses willing to speak, if there are any at all. So, of course, there was no proof. But it is also possible that the only proof left was killed and disposed of for that very same reason. Just a thought, JMO… I do not claim to have all the answers, I know I don’t. NO ONE does, but we, here, do the best we can w/what we’ve got. WHY? Because it DOES still matter what happened to Caylee. It does still matter what happened to Casey. And it does still matter what the truth is, because if no one cares to know then how can we ever grow and learn from it? How can we work towards awareness and prevention, if we say “screw it, it’s over. Faggeddabotit!!”
Enmeshed w/in the mystery of what happened to Caylee, are so many other issues. Such as physical, sexual, emotional abuse, and it’s effects on the human psyche. That is just one, but I’ll add in the issue of the corruption of the legal system… This is one case that shed some major light on that reality. Everything happens for a reason, as the saying goes..
Wow AKM,
That is odd. My first thought is.. Do they have any chemical factories nearby? Years ago in central Louisiana there were several babies who were brought in with a rare form of cancer. Several doctors where I worked had checked into this. IIRC, there were 7 babies who died from this one particular area. Very strange. Off hand, I don’t recall all of the particulars. I’ll see what I can find and get back with you.
Till then I’ll keep this family in my prayers.
IDK, but I know “walking pneumonia” can be a real killer. Could that be what was/is going on? Someone w/cancer would have an already compromised immune system, especially if they are doing chemo treatments.
That whole thing is really just so sad. I pray for the family to be brought back to the state of total wellness. They still lost their father and husband, though, and only time and God can heal that wound.
BTW,
I was just read all of the responses to KimP and it’s was very nice of everyone to respond to her so politely. Thank you.
Honestly, I wondered when we’d hear from the naysayers saying that I was a hypocrit because of my thoughts about Dale Smith.
What KimP fails to realize is that I say this about Dale Smith because I watched him on the Peoples Court and he was a jerk. I found him very arrogant and bold to carry on the way he did with police present so I can just imagine how he’d respond if he and MP were alone. How do I know this happened? Because he didn’t deny it. Fair enough?
So Yes, I think Dale Smith had something to do with MP’s disappearance. IMO, he’s a dangerous man.
@Kimpossible,
Kim, what do you think? Do you have other information that I should know? I’d love to discuss KP and DS. Would you like to join in?
Don’t worry. If you don’t agree with me just say so and I promise no one will call you stupid or delusional or any other name.
I’m surprised Kim that you wouldn’t want to add something to the discussion instead of judging me. I thought I treated you very nicely last time you commented. I’m surprised, really.
Mimi,
That’s just terrible!!
I’d definitely tell your friend to have their house checked for mold!
Only walking pneumonia (sp?) is contagious and the test would more than likely show positive for pneumonia if severe enough to be hospitalized. (NO?)
Mold and parasites are often overlooked and worst of all they are silent killers.
True, that, IndyGal. Mold and parasites should be considered. I hate to break it to the American people, but parasites live in every one of us and can be the unknown source of many ails and ills, such as allergy symptoms, depression, mental disorders, behavioral problems, weight problems, skin issues and so much more. Good thinking on that one Indy!
KimP,
As Omar stated, most of us thought Casey was guilty at the onset. Like Omar, I was thinking this girl is going to break in a week. It wasn’t until I read the transcript from the Universal trip did I began to wonder what was really going on. It was her monumental, ridiculous lies that made me wonder what was she really hiding.
Here’s a few things I later discovered that didn’t point to guilt.
“31 Days”, No baby-daddy, no past history of child abuse, no known drug abuse, loads of pictures of her daughter on the internet, seemingly supportive family, looks normal, no history of mental illness, she had a social life, not a social misfit.
AND like most ppl, I thought Caylee’s bio-father had something to do with her disappearance. I held on to that hope until Caylee’s body was found. When Caytlee’s little remains were found I cried. I hated Casey. I couldn’t wait till they found all of Casey’s fingerprints and DNA on the duct tape. I was sure LE had her and soon she would confess. And YES, I believe in the death penalty.
I was shocked to learn that no physical evidence was found then we find out that Kronk had reported his finding 3 times in August at the same location.!! Now what?
I was back to square one.
Can I ask you something? How can you NOT believe something else is going on here?
You asked Omar what proof is there that Casey was molested?
Okay, I’ll indulge you this ONE time after that you’ll just have to accept the fact that most of us here agree with the jury, and agree that she most likely was molested.
Common Symptoms in Adult Survivors of Childhood Sexual Abuse:
• Physical Presentations
• Chronic pelvic pain
• Gastrointestinal symptoms/distress
• Musculoskeletal complaints
• Obesity, eating disorders
• Insomnia, sleep disorders
• Pseudocyesis
• Sexual dysfunction
• Asthma, respiratory ailments
• Addiction
• Chronic headache
• Chronic back pain
• Psychologic and Behavioral Presentations
• Depression and anxiety
• Posttraumatic stress disorder symptoms
• Dissociative states
• Repeated self-injury
• Suicide attempts
• Lying, stealing, truancy, running away
• Poor contraceptive practices
• Compulsive sexual behaviors
• Sexual dysfunction
• Somatizing disorders
• Eating disorders
• Poor adherence to medical recommendations
• Intolerance of or constant search for intimacy
• Expectation of early death
I can pick out at least ten of these symptoms that would fit Casey.
http://www.aaets.org/article120.htm
Oh Mimi,
No, that is so sad. Bless her heart. how much can a person take?
Like JB said, is there any chemical plant around there?
Oh, you just know what to say. The baby’s sick, the mama’s sick.
The Dad had the tumor for 2 years? That is scary and really makes you wonder.
I said I would put a pot it on my bed. I guess you thought WTH? I will put a POST it
on my bed to help remember all of them. I hope you uncle is better soon and goodness
how is MIsty? Seems like the worst things happen around the holidays.
I promise I will pray for all of them. It’s just too much, isn’t it?
Come Back Sam!
I found you! lol
Indygal, I will tell the Grandma tomorrow about poss mold. Good thought, thanks. The baby was at our Childrens Hosp which is one of the best and the Mom is in a very good hosp but since as far as I have heard the past few hrs, still havent been able to find anything out. And it really just started getting cool, really. I mean we have been threatened to have a freeze but havent yet. LOL and their home, is for real like a mansion! lol but hey still could have issues! Just freaky to me, lol know what I mean. They tested for meningitis because the mom (in hosp now) her Daddy in Jan of this yr was diag with Meningitis and almost died. So they checked the baby for that immediately. It did show neg. Hmmmm on with sleuthing… thanks girls
JB, I believe I have posted that same exact list for the masses LOL
And you know what else I found on my quest for more on that subject? That seizures w/no known medical cause are also a sign of having been severely abused or molested.
“Neurological damage
Research has shown that traumatic stress, including stress caused by sexual abuse, causes notable changes in brain functioning and development.[66][67] Various studies have suggested that severe child sexual abuse may have a deleterious effect on brain development. Ito et al. (1998) found “reversed hemispheric asymmetry and greater left hemisphere coherence in abused subjects;”[68] Teicher et al. (1993) found that an increased likelihood of “ictal temporal lobe epilepsy-like symptoms” in abused subjects;[69] Anderson et al. (2002) recorded abnormal transverse relaxation time in the cerebellar vermis of adults sexually abused in childhood;[70] Teicher et al. (1993) found that child sexual abuse was associated with a reduced corpus callosum area; various studies have found an association of reduced volume of the left hippocampus with child sexual abuse;[71] and Ito et al. (1993) found increased electrophysiological abnormalities in sexually abused children.[72]
Some studies indicate that sexual or physical abuse in children can lead to the overexcitation of an undeveloped limbic system.[71] Teicher et al. (1993)[69] used the “Limbic System Checklist-33″ to measure ictal temporal lobe epilepsy-like symptoms in 253 adults. Reports of child sexual abuse were associated with a 49% increase to LSCL-33 scores, 11% higher than the associated increase of self-reported physical abuse.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse
Really JB
We don’t know too much about the People’s Court case. Like everyone they have an opinion to start with. I don’t like him, wouldn’t have liked him if I had seen that show. You can not change arrogance, guilty or innocent, he’s still arrogant and cheap. So I don’t like him, can’t stand a controling person.
I hope they find her. It is very scary!
I don’t know whether he guilty or innocent, I just know that I don’t like him, but that doesn’t make him guilty.
There will be a trial and we will know more then and anyone that would like to enlighten us on WHY we should like him, go right ahead. : )
And how does it effect the molester?
It doesn’t! They usually get by with it over and over again!
Just get more arrogant.
I really feel so bad for Casey and Caylee. It’s just tragic.
And George’s life will go on and he will be just as WONDERFUL then
as he thinks he is now.
ZubenElSchemali
December 2, 2011 at 8:22 am
Excellent work Zuben!! I am very curious to hear your findings.
ZubenElSchemali
December 2, 2011 at 5:03 pm
I agree also about Cindy being the “real” nanny. I have thought about it previously and wondered if the beach & amusement park dates matched the grandparent’s schedules and how closely. Interesting about June 9th.
CatOutLoud®
December 2, 2011 at 5:17 pm
Piper says “PIPER: Yes, I can recall her being there. I can’t remember exactly how many Fridays she was there, but I had been taking photos at Fusion every Friday night for, like, probably a month coming up to the — you know, the 20th there, which was the last day I took photos. But I saw her definitely on what would be the 13th, I think, and the 6th.
KELLY: OK, the 6th and the 13th and the 20th. So this is a place, obviously, she likes to hang out.”
(Mr Piper states “like probably a month” so let us also include June 30 2008 as a potential photo op)
KELLY: Ours are from June 20. She’s in the blue dress.
PIPER: I mean, there’s, like — there’s, like, two places that the photos were, you know, like — my photos are not posted on his Flickr, so…
KELLY: Did you — well, let me ask you his. Do either of you know Casey’s boyfriend?
AZZILANO: Yes, I know Anthony. Anthony’s a great guy. I actually — I knew him when we used to live in New York together, but I haven’t talked to him in a while.
(Another NY connection???)
WALSH: Well, I just have to clarify. Today was my first day meeting with Casey.
KELLY: OK, so…
WALSH: So I didn’t have an opportunity to speak to her before today.
KELLY: But was that information that she made clear to you or your co-counsel?
WALSH: Oh, she’s made a lot of things clear to us, but I would keep that under the attorney-client privilege.
(LOL.)
WALSH: Well, I have to take issue with the date that you described as June 9 as the date that little Caylee was kidnapped. That’s not the date she was kidnapped. It’s sometime later in the month.
KELLY: Well, what is the date? Because that comes from your client.
WALSH: Well, it comes from my client to the police. It hasn’t come from my client to the police while she’s had the assistance of counsel. Obviously, she said some things that the police certainly have taken issue with, with regards to the veracity of it. And we’ve kind of explained the reason she said the things she said to the police was out of fear for her child’s life.
KELLY: Michael, is that what happened here, that — I know — we know that Casey says Caylee was kidnapped and that she had at least one communication from the alleged kidnapper, the baby-sitter. Are you now saying that the baby-sitter made a threat to Casey?
WALSH: Yes, and there are other people besides the baby-sitter involved.
KELLY: Can you tell us more, who?
WALSH: No, I can’t tell you who.
KELLY: Have you spoken with either Jess (ph) or Juliet (ph), two women who Casey says knew this baby-sitter, Zenaida?
WALSH: We’ve spoken to people who knew her. When the police looked for the Zayda — Zenaida, I’m sorry — they found the wrong Zenaida. So that’s why there’s some miscommunication as to whether or not the Zenaida the police referred to and the other people referred to is the same Zenaida that Casey’s referring to.
ZubenElSchemali
December 2, 2011 at 6:43 pm
I took a look using the incident report # and found these…
http://crimeshadowsnews.com/parttwob2.pdf
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=5686811
(TonyL talks about he blue dress pictures, is unsure it was the 20th. Officer breezes right past into the next question….)
thejbmission
December 2, 2011 at 7:36 pm
LOL! Glad to contribute!
ZubenElSchemali
December 2, 2011 at 9:01 pm
I saw a post at WS once from early in the case.. two WSers were talking about pictures and what Geo could have been talking about to LE/FBI about which pictures “made him sick”. THen someone piped up about “Well, except for that one picture we saw” talking about Casey’s PB account. Then one of the MODS says “That picture was not of CASEY so we CAN NOT DISCUSS IT!”. THe talk had been specifically about porn type pictures. I was lead to believe that they were discussing a porn or scandalous picture of Caylee.
Noni
December 3, 2011 at 12:55 pm
I have been curious about those statements for some time now Noni! THanks for refreshing us on it.
thejbmission
December 4, 2011 at 1:02 am
Momma JB,
Thanks for the wonderfull friend and inspiration you created in your daughter. Happy Birthday!!!
thejbmission
December 4, 2011 at 1:25 am
Yes! And we should write it about all of the “behind the scenes” stuff we have “uncovered” along the way. The sleuthing, the bad-connections, etc.
Or just straight up write a book that outlines all of what was/is wrong about this case. Stuff that was buried, over-looked, under-investigated, connections to shady character, etc.
CatOutLoud®
December 4, 2011 at 1:55 am
I too have been suspicious of RM for these same reasons. Now the June 9th date is starting to make more sense. Not perfect sense, but more then it did before. THis is interesting and we should follow up on it.
So true, LolyPop… The molesters go on unscathed far too often. It is sickening… We do not know for sure, that this is what happened, but when you add everything together, it would def not be shocking at all to find out that Casey never suffered from any kind of abuse. If George had molested Casey, I have very little doubt that he would do the same to Caylee.
Well, guess I’ll fall in bed : )
enjoyed!
G’night Spidey, JB, Indy, Mimi, Omar, Noni, COL and
sweet dreams! : )
Be happy when the others are back!
Yes, HGM!
Hey, was it included in that interview that one of the photographers said that the reason he knew those photos were from the 20th is because it said “June 20th on his flickr account”? I didn’t see it in the excerpt above. That was one of the main reasons why I started to doubt the 20th was the date of Casey in the blue dress. He also said that he and his partner probably hadn’t even been at Fusion the night in question, until, probably, after midnight…
KELLY: John, let me start with you. You took these photographs on June 20?
Watch the interview
AZZILANO: Yes, the night of June 20. Teddy and I usually work at a club called Fusion. We take a lot of pictures there. Casey was there that night.
KELLY: How sure are you that it was Friday night, June 20?
AZZILANO: I’m absolutely positive. The photos are time-stamped. Every time a photo’s taken, it embeds it into the — into the code of the photo. And when I upload it to my Flickr account, it actually says right on my Flickr account June 20.
KELLY: Why were you taking photos at the club that night?
AZZILANO: Teddy and I usually go to clubs around Orlando, and we’re hired to do nightlife photography. And that was just one of the nights we were working at Fusion.
KELLY: John, who was she there with?
AZZILANO: I really don’t recall. Me and Teddy were bopping around that night, taking pictures of a lot of people. She just happened to be one of them. So I don’t recall any specific people that she was there with.
KELLY: Teddy, do you know who she was there with?
TEDDY PIPER, STUDENT AND CLUB PHOTOGRAPHER: Not exactly. We showed up later in the evening, probably after midnight on that Friday night, and set up and took pictures just throughout the night until the club closed at 2:00.
Then this incident report, here, really set the bells off… Why the run around w/LE when they’d been so quick and eager to go to the media w/these photos and appear on national TV? Didn’t make sense to me..
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_ArrestSup-No18_080408.htm
CatOutLoud®
December 4, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Could Caylee have accidentally “butt-dialed” Mrs Plesea? Not literally but , IDK, maybe Cindy had called Shirley and then Caylee got the phone and pressed the green (dial) button twice. On my phone it auto dials the last # called or who called you.
kimpossible
December 4, 2011 at 5:44 pm
I personally, don’t give rats about Dale. I also BELIEVE he is guilty.
Straight-up, no hinky involved. If he had kept his hands to himself in the past then I might have some doubt as to his guilt. At this point I’M CONVINCED. We (Missionites)don’t just arbitrarily run out and start defending ANYONE who has been accused of murder. You sound like our stalking haterz. You may use different words but they ALL have the SAME meaning. I could swear that our biggest haterz make the same claims about us that you do. I’m thinking not a coincidence.
Indygal
December 4, 2011 at 8:36 pm
(APPLAUSE)
Omar
December 4, 2011 at 9:28 pm
(ANother EXCELLENT post!!!!)
kimpossible
December 4, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Finally got what you came for? Geesh! I was wondering just how long it would take you to get what you wanted. You’re transparent…I can see right through you. You can’t help yourself but to insult us and Casey even when you claim to be playing nice. You’re a fraud and I personally will not read another word by you.
lolypop
December 5, 2011 at 12:25 am
Exactly, so what is her point then? To try to convince us? To just aggrivate the piss out of me? It’s WORKING! LOL
Arkansasmimi
December 5, 2011 at 12:33 am
Broke ties with them and has not spoken to them since Oct 14 2008 ~ The day she was indicted on murder I. It’s also the day she and JB had the sit-down with LE and told them about the sexual abuse. Remember my video clip where the officer asks her “Why did you wait so long?”. That took place that same afternoon. People want to cry and wail and claim there’s no proof of Casey’s claims. BULLSHIT!!! She told people BEFORE Caylee was born, she told people while Caylee was alive, she talked about it ON OCT 14 2008 to LE, and she still claims it to this day.
Arkansasmimi
December 5, 2011 at 1:22 am
Recently 2 people known to me or friends of mine were diagnosed with cancer and both died within a week of being diagnosed. THere almost seems to be a “rash” of sudden cancer diagnosies and short prognosis lately.
thejbmission
December 5, 2011 at 1:47 am
JB, I am totally UNSURPRISED!!! ALso, I have been bad.
CatOutLoud®
December 5, 2011 at 2:28 am
This is exactly what I have been trying to tell people for years!~ THe abuse doesn’t just affect the victim emotionally, it has PHYSICAL effects as well. Especially on the brain and intellect. It doesn’t just change who you are or were going to be mentally but physically as well. Now, we all need to stop and think for a moment JUST HOW damaging sexual abuse must really, truely be if it can alter the SIZE of the brain, etc.
JB,
Thank you for indulging me,and while I agree those could be symptoms of abuse they also could be symptoms of other things too. I am a sexual abuse survivor and I know there are different manifistations and a variety of effects on different people. Not all sexual abuse victims create alternate lives, or steal from others because of their abuse. Some people who have never been sexually abused can do this also, especially if they had low self esteem and a parent who expected perfection. Also mental illness, ADHD, and other diseases can affect personality characteristics and physical symptoms.
The jury was told not to consider abuse because no evidence was presented. So if they considered it, then they were wrong for doing so. With no evidence presented of sexual abuse, I am left wondering what the father’s motivation would be to cover up an accidental death? While we bloggers can speculate and opinionate on all information released, as you have previously pointed out the jury only gets to consider the evidence presented at trial. Shock and awe could be a powerful thing. Once Mr. Baez made the reference to George’s penis in Casey’s mouth, that is an image that would be very difficult to get out of one’s head. There was no evidence presented concerning that, not even Casey’s own jailhouse letters come close.
Some people view Casey crying when Jose describes the abuse, but even that could also be viewed in different ways. It is very different saying it to someone, than hearing someone else saying it outloud in front of the world. If it had been a lie, Casey may not have considered the impact until she heard it being said by Baez. While Mr. Baez was relaying the alleged event, Casey was also shaking her head no, could it be a reflex? Could there be alternate reasons for it, I’m sure their could depending on whether one believes it happened or not. But this was still speculation-not testified to by Casey, speculation the jury was instructed not to consider in their deliberations. The same speculation that you did not want Casey to endure as evidence concerning her behavior during the 31 days.
I too get upset when I see bloggers who want someone’s head on a platter or are threatening someone. I try not to respond to those because they aren’t worth my time. I know that by questioning something I may be attacked and that’s the risk I take. But I have never held myself out as a person who does not judge, Where others have actually claimed that they are the type of person who considers a person innocent until proven guilty, I’m just trying to understand where the line is drawn. Do I believe that DS was the most likely person responsible for Michelle’s disappearance? Yes because I too judge him on his past & current behavior, but I also have never professed not to judge people because by posting my opinion I do judge. I understand that public opinion is different than the one that is binding from the jury. I am understanding how we are all basing our opinions through speculations on how we each view the events/evidence differently.
The whole thing is this, Kim…..not one of us have said that we have evidence that GA molested Casey. No one is asking for GA’s head on a platter. We simply have come to opinions different than yours based on our different interpretations of behaviors that we have observed (jail house tapes, trial, etc.), and for that reason, most of us feel that GA’s involvement in this tragic event should have been investigated more thoroughly. That’s it. We are here discussing our opinions of GA or of different evidence or different people. You keep asking “where’s the proof that GA molested Casey?”……I could ask you the same. Where’s the evidence that you are a sexual abuse survivor? You could ask me the same thing….or any of the others here too! The bottom line is that there is NOT normally evidence…..UNLESS there is a witness or unless there is medical testing right after the event. So what you’re asking for can’t be produced by anyone here. I guess it boils right back down to what you believe. So to simplify, let’s just leave it at this…..YOU believe that Casey is a liar and that she murdered her child based on what you have seen and heard. I believe that she is NOT a murderer based on what I’ve seen and heard. YOU do NOT believe GA molested her because you have no proof that he did. I believe that GA may have molested her because there is sufficient behavioral evidence to indicate that it’s a definite possibility. Neither of us have proof. We come armed with only our opinions. As a matter of fact…..isn’t that what ALL the blogs are?? Opinions??
So you are able to rationalize Casey’s behavior based on your own personal database of experience. That’s what we ALL do. We all interpret based on personal experience or on professional observation. In much the same way that you trusted everything Richard Hornsby said as a legal professional……WE trust our own experience, whether it be personal or professional….and as I have said on this very blog about a million times…..I have no proof to back up some of my opinons……many of my opinions are based on pure gut. Other opinions of mine are based on scientific fact and my interpretation of such based on my educational background.
We can either accept that we hold different opinions and move on or we can throw stones and keep trying to prove our points. The latter approach simply makes us weak thinkers and poor communicators. I think it’s perfectly fine that you hold the opinions you do. I absolutely understand why you hold them. I simply hold different ones. Period.
I’m not trying to convince you to change yours. I’m simply asking why it’s ok to call us hipocrits JUST because we think differently. I’m also trying to be kind and empathetic to your point of view and to bear in mind that there is no law that dictates how a person MUST feel in any given situation (at least not yet). I do this because I respect your autonomy as a human being.
I find it very sad that those of us who HAVE in the past tried to comment on other blawgs have been criticized and ridiculed by anyone and everyone on those other blogs/blawgs, etc…..and I think that just shows a bunch of weak-minded individuals who are fearful of the differences in people.
What really boggles my mind is why Casey is labeled the liar when pretty much everyone else has lied.
Also, even Ashton’s new book says Casey disclosed the sexual abuse so Baez never made it up.
AND speaking of autonomy…..this is just a rant….a personal view that I hold.
I refuse to go to other blogs and comment with close-minded people. I spent a lot of time reading and researching this case and reading (notice I said READING and did NOT say commenting) at other blogs before I found this blog….and what I found was that people are quick to form opinions, and those, once formed, are set as if in cement for most people. I will NOT try to convince a close-minded person to change their opinion. I will engage in intellectual or educated debate UNTIL I notice that it’s causing offense or that it’s going no where except toward needless argument. Look, there were people out there who wanted to believe the world was flat EVEN after it was proven to be a sphere. So what? Let them believe in a flat world. It doesn’t stop me from searching for the truth or from continuing to explore and research and learn and grow. It only stops THEM.
When I did comment a few times on another blog….I was met with extreme cynacism and close-mindedness and arrogance. Ok….no big deal. Let them keep their arrogant attitudes. Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall. It’s not my job to bring them down.
Basically, what I’m saying is that I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
I am fully cognizant of the fact that I am both finite and fallible. I’m ok with that. To be otherwise would hold implications so profound that I am unwilling to allow myself to even think of them.
Ultimately…..I find that the haters and consistent arguers ALWAYS reveal their lack of intellect and most definitely ALWAYS resort to name calling, belittling and threatening when challenged by someone who poses a valid argument or an opinion that is different than their own. To each his own. Ironically…..I’ve found that this holds true EVEN for those who view themselves as “experts” in certain fields. You can NOT change another person’s mind when that person has an insecurity that runs so deeply that they fear what is different and hate what they can’t explain??
Personal experience is impossible to argue. We either have the experience or we don’t. From that, we form our life view. My life view is that I’m here to learn. I’m here to be kind. I’m here to grow. And if I can’t open my mind, I can’t do any of the above.
What I’m NOT here to do is to change anyone’s mind. I can present an opinion, I can cite empirical data, I can give you chemical flow charts, I can explain scientific facts, I can point you to documents…….but I can’t argue with someone who has an “Archie Bunker” mentality……
well, I could, but I won’t. That would be akin to trying to put out the sun with a water hose.
Oh…and one more thing….and this one is back to Kim again…..
I keep reading you make reference to the jurors being given instruction to disregard any comment regarding the molestation, and yet you imply that they did NOT disregard it. This is an argument that is going absolutely nowhere. Period.
The jurors who have been interviewed have stated explicitly and on MORE THAN ONE OCCASION that they did NOT consider the molestation implication as made by Baez in the opening statement because 1) they were instructed not to and 2) because no proof of said molestation was presented. What they DID say was that they did NOT believe GA’s testimony on the stand because of the WAY that GA acted and answered. There were simply too many things unanswered for them. AND there was NO EVIDENCE presented that proved beyond and to the exclusion of any reasonable doubt that it was Casey Anthony who killed her child. What they knew for sure was that Caylee died tragically somehow and that her tiny remains were left in a wooded area along Suburban Drive. There was NO evidence to PROVE BEYOND AND TO THE EXCLUSION OF ANY REASONABLE DOUBT that Casey Anthony was responsible for the death or the disposal. As a matter of fact…..that’s all that any of us know for sure because there is absolutely NOTHING to prove who did what to whom and when. All we have are opinions and assumptions, and based on these opinions and assumptions, many people felt that it would be ok to put Casey Anthony to death. I prefer proof. So did the jury, thank God. For some of us, we chose to look beyond Jeff Ashton’s assumptions and theories and, instead, ask for proof.
So….while you are ASSUMING that the phrase “her father’s penis in her mouth” struck a chord in their minds and swayed their judgement……all you’re doing is assuming. The jurors have clearly stated that they were NOT swayed by this. Who am I to call them liars? My name isn’t Nancy Grace OR Archie Bunker.
Standing ovation for Omar. Thank you. Kimpossible, I want to thank you for being respectful, for the most part and succinct in sharing your thoughts. I’m sorry for your painful experience and I would think you, of all people, might be able to wrap your head around the idea that someone that had been abused during the formative years might fit Casey’s description very well. I know one extrem pathological liar and I know he was abused as a child. I think the only way he sees he can be judged as ok, (the idea he could be unconditionally loved and accepted is beyond his ability to fathom) is if he creates an alternate reality.
Thank YOU, Zuben. You are the picture of class and of grace under fire! They just don’t come any better than you, dear! (and JB and NTS and the others here too…..truly class acts!!)
hello folks
hoping you all have a most fine day today…
Indygal,
Thank you for answering my question. I too love my children unconditionally,I would love them regardless of their actions but that doesn’t mean I would condone an action. I would do eveything in my power to save their life if they were convicted but I don’t know if I could bring myself to lie for them under oath. I am a terrible liar. I don’t think I could label myself a molester or admit to involvement in a crime if it were not true, I just don’t think I could do it because my conscience would not rest. But I would not fault any parent who could sacrafice for their child that way. Would I commit suicide so I wouldn’t have to testify and risk damning my soul? Possibly,especially if depression consumed me.
Omar,
I never agreed with everything Richard Hornsby said. There were issues I respectfully disagreed with, but I’m also not going to pretend that I know Florida laws. And Omar you are correct that you don’t know if the experiences I’ve shared are true, as I don’t know for a fact that anyone else’s relayed are true. The only person we can be truely sure about is ourselves. I, like you have also based some of my opinions on my own education not just my experiences. And I have researched just as you have. But while we all may think we are closer to the truth, we are still only speculating. I think other than the party/parties that may have been present When Caylee died, only God(if you believe) knows the truth and we will probably never know what actually happened.
I came here to understand how opinions are formed and their basis for them. I did not come to change anyone’s opinion but provide insight on how I reached mine opinion and to show that my opinion was not baseless either. So that you might also understand how it’s legitamately possible for other opinions to be formed and plausible since we are all speculating. That not everyone who has a different opionion is out for Casey’s blood or have harm done to her. I have seen many theories thrown out on this site and people continuing to speculate on various evidence and the people involved, so I just assumed that people still had questions and were openminded otherwise there would be no need to speculate on the other friends,persons, or issue involved because everything would begin and end with George and the police not investigating him enough. And to be honest, at times I had a hard time following (thank you to all those who provided document links), because I felt the continual jumping from one person to another and how they were suspicious was feeling like a conspiracy, but I do realize it is people speculating on evidence they feel to be important.
I have seen certain comments posted here that are very similar to certain comments posted on other sites, just the context may be reversed Whether pro Casey or anti Casey. I considered some of the various posts as falling into the same category(just my personal opinion), so that’s why I asked the question. I don’t know a tactful way you would ask people what they consider to be hypocritical with out some people feeling offended. I have even asked the same questions on sites that believe Casey is guilty and guess what, I received some of the same reactions as here. One of the main ones was being troll for asking the question. I don’t know what other people’s views on it are and what they believe they are doing differently unless I ask. For those that answered my questions, I thank you for giving me insight into your personal views.
So I am sorry for sharing my experiences, sorry for interrupting your blog with my opinions. No more interruptions by me or need to post my theories. Thank you to those who where respectfully honest and my apologies to anyone offended by my questions or observations. Time for me to provide the extra expended energy into my own family. Blessings to you and your families. No response needed.
Sam @ 12:49……I agree!
Sure, Casey lied…..and the crowds hate her!
Ashton and Burdick lied too….and the crowd idolizes them.
Melich lie….errr…..misspoke…..and he’s some sort of cult hero.
Makes sense??
Didn’t think so.
AMEN!! Well said Omar and Zuben
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KimP, I have only been reading and commenting here for a few months now, but I’m not sure I ever saw, anywhere, that this site was based on “Innocent Until Proven Guilty” standards. IMO, this site seemed to have been created based on the suspicion that truths weren’t being told and facts were being manipulated in the Casey Anthony case, that the investigation was narrow minded and incomplete. As it has been said, we all pretty much assumed Casey was probably guilty, before we decided to look and think for ourselves. Part or what pushed me in that direction, is that I never believe everything I hear. I do NOT JUDGE a person, place or thing based on other peoples opinions, or on what the MEDIA is putting out there. HLN, peaked my desire to look further into this case. Thanks to HLN, I sought and found some FACTS and TRUTHS of the matter… and they were NOT what the media was putting out there for the world to hear.
As far as the abuse theory goes, you were fortunate to have experienced what happened to you at an age where you were better equipped to know right from wrong and defend yourself and your siblings. What happened to you was horrible, nonetheless. Thank God you were able to tell someone and put a stop to it! In Casey’s case, we are assuming that the abuse started at a young age and that she was NOT in a position to help or defend herself. I believe Lee, may have also been abused, and/or witnessed Casey’s abuse, and he acted out on his own experience by doing the same to her. I believe, Casey never really intended to “remember” what her dad may have done to her. I think it was much easier on her psyche, to face what her brother did. This would explain why she told about Lee over the years but could only say that her father had “abused” her— she wasn’t specific as to HOW he had abused her until she HAD to be. And she didn’t HAVE to be, until her baby’s life was in question and her own life was on the line.
Now let’s just say that she did lie about her dad. You interpret her reaction to the opening statements of Jose Baez, to have been guilt, or realization of the seriousness of the false allegations. Here’s the thing, though. If Casey was so cold as to kill her daughter, in cold blood, so she could be free to live the “Bella Vita”, then she would HAVE to be w/out conscience, IMO.
If she was w/out conscience, she would have no qualms about what she was doing to her family/father. She would have NO GUILT. You see what I’m saying? If that was guilt she was displaying at that moment, IMO, she could not be the cold sociopath that could off her baby and go on about her biz, carefree…
COL…..EXCELLENT point!! Very well stated!
I agree excellent point COL, and I’ll go farther. Remember wher Cindy and George asked Casey if she was trying to protect them? She was! She didn’t want the molestation to come out and it was going to have to.
Kim said she was crying because she heard it blurted out to the world. Most molested children try to hide the worse thing that ever happened to them. THey try to go into denial. At some point it HAS to come out. Some are in rehab. Casey was in court and she couldn’t deny it anymore.
I’ve tried to figure out why someone would come over here when they have bloggers all over the net to agree with them.
REmember when with your help we were getting/ making sense out of the car?
Got disrupted?
You were putting so many things together that were left out. VERY INTERESTING points
Got disruted again?
All I’m saying is yes I’m openminded, that’s why I was looking for a place that may have some thoughts and fortunately found JB.
So, during the trial AFTER everyone started wondering why we were lied to for 3 years, we even had more questions about other involved, not just Casey as we were hearing for 3 years, we even thought she was guilty.
Now all of you start putting things together to help with the questions.
THey certainly didn’t investigate, because they believed they had 100% of the public believing Casey was guilty and when people really started wondering what the truth was, the haters got all bent out of shape. If you were questioning it, you were called baby killer lovers, OH, that’s just one. there were many!!!
So, what I’m trying to say is we get closer to some things, someone gets nervous and comes in with nothing but a bunch of crap. Someone who was molested, CAN’T believe Casey was, because she don’t want to. Casey was molested and I believe that why? Because this person said she was molested, I didn’t doubt her and I don’t even doubt her friend.
Maybe we can get back to y’alls book making! PLEASE!! LOL
Loly – You can count me as one of those who went into the trial positive that Casey was guilty and, by the end of the trial, had serious doubts about the whole case. I had heard the media stories (since I live in Central Florida) for three long years and realized during the trial that the “evidence” was not as strong as we had been led to believe. That is when I started questioning everything, reading a lot of the documents and, luckily, found like-minded people here. I am still not convinced that Casey is innocent, but I now know there is much more to the story that we had been told by the media. JMO
I realized that quite possibly somone else could be responsible the moment I saw the First FBI tapes of George Anthony. Also the fox interview he gave sealed the deal for me as to GA’s possible involvement…..I never had a gut feeling that Casey was 100% responsible….But did think that she knew some details….IMOO
I also pretty much believed Casey was guilty…at the beginning of the trial. I don’t remember when exactly but somewhere along in the trial I began to have my doubts so I began to read some of the interviews and began to really listen to Baez and pay attention to the actual evidence. I remember about a week before it was over I told someone that there was no way they had enough evidence to convict her…and I was told I was crazy…turns out, I was right.
The more I study the more I am convinced that there was a cover up and George was the mastermind. This is my opinion of course…but I’d really love to see LE take a look at George. I think they would find so much more if they would just do a little digging. I now look at Casey as a scapegoat…I think she thought she was protecting her family until she was placed in jail and then realized she was being thrown under the bus. I think once she realized that…she had nothing to do with them anymore…ever since October 08
great commentary going on here!
Loly, very keen observation about the disruption of our flow… Hmm
Evening Everyone! Nice to see you YD and GCG!!! AND OMAR!!!!
Well it looks as if TES and ZG will both be trying to get Casey to not be able to take the 5th. Court date of Thurs. Judge today said they could combine. I think this last paragraph says alot
Casey is also appealing her four convictions of lying to law enforcement, and that could have a big impact on the judge’s decision Thursday, because anything she does say in a civil deposition can be used against her in the criminal appea
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/december/353976/casey-anthony-motion?cmpid=twitter
Hello MiMi,,,,,And Omar how are you…..Where’s snoop been?
Hello All…..
HI, YellowDog,Sam, HolysGMom, JIll, Zuben, CatoutLoud, Spidey, Mimi,
GasCanGeorge : )
YellowDog,
I’m almost positive that anyone hearing about it must have thought guilty right away. I think when I first got suspicious was when Kronk called in. I don’t know why, but something really started to smell.
JA acted smirky and like he had it in the bag.
Like Sam says why do they still talk about Casey’s lies when all of the ones testifying were lying? Kronk? How did he get by with blatingly lying on the stand? I’ll just bet if that detective would have taken a lie detector test that machine would have broken.
Some of the lies were outrageous that we heard. I think that one that sticks out mostly in my mind is the “looked like a heart sticker” and the 84 searches the dogs. It was all she wrote for me.
Casey was good to Caylee. I just figured they must be covering for someone and it wasn’t Casey. So I don’t the case will ever be solved. Too big players in it and they don’t want it solved. But the sad part is although Casey was aquitted there are still way to many that don’t want to believe the jury and still want Casey to be guilty. With these kind of people, that’s what they plan for Casey.
Mimi,
First, how’s the family?
Don’t you know they will never let this alone? Casey will never be able to have a life.
THis is just wrong! What is wrong with Miller? He’s losing his senses.
So, they are having a class action suit againt Casey? Really sad!
COL,
It’s true! Why else?
Y’all can get back into your real investigation and comments that were making so much sense. I loved it. I guess MWM is still having problems with her computer, DANG!
And Comment? I sure hope they both aren’t having trouble. Some places I go to, they will say error and knock me out OR off. : )
Somethings I don’t think that they want us to read!
hello tonight
Hi Loly! LOL TODAY SO FAR SO GOOD
Thanks for the thoughs 
I dont know if its a class action, but I the way I read, TES was gonna file or did a motion trying to make Casey answer questions but they couldnt get a date til the 19th that was good for Caseys Lawyers and the court. So since ZG had one on Thurs they wanted to be part of that dates court and the matter at hand. (Thats how I took it, may not be correct) IMHO I dont think, because of the appeal that they will get what they want on Thurs. But thats just my opinion.
Hello Tonite to you too NTS!
Hello NTS!
Hello GasCan!
Hello Mimi!!
Hello CatOutLoud!
Hello Lolypop!
Hello Jill!
Hello YellowDog!
Hello JB!
Hello Everyone!!!
Mimi….I hope you are correct! The court should not allow anything to go on that will hinder Casey’s appeal. AND….I agree with whoever it was that said that once Casey figured out she was being used as a scapegoat, she cut off all communication from her family. That’s how I see things too.
Great comments tonight y’all!
Hi Mimi,
I’ve really been thinking about your friend a lot. It’s really too much isn’t it?
I’m thinking like JB, even though I have nothing in the medical field, I do wonder if it’s in the home. It sure is strange for them all to be so sick.
I hope they find out soon what it is and that they get well. Also your uncle, is he better?
I’m assuming that tes and zg going in together, at least maybe the judge will throw both of the suits out together, get IT over with.
Well good night all again. Sweet dreams! : )
Nite Sweet Lolypop
he is doing some better thanks! Prayers for Peaceful rest to you and all the others who have or are calling it a night. I think I will read and try to catch up some lol! 
Hugs to ALL Love YA, Mimi
Hello Everybody,
Omar, for each and every one of your comments “Bravo” “Ditto” “Right on” I think you explained it all even tho you didn’t have to. Thank you so much.
Apparently, KimP has left me with a “no response needed” response. LOL, well that’s nice of her. Now I’m left wondering, did she accomplish what she came here for? Anyway, I hope she did.
So where were we?
It’s really interesting reading all of everyone’s turning points in this case! I didn’t realize that Yellow Dog and Jill were not convinced until after the trial started. Hmm..but now that I think about it, that makes a lot of sense. I’m sure you must have felt a bit let down now that I think about how so many ppl thought JA and LDB were sitting on the real evidence but there just wasn’t any which explains why the jurors acquitted Casey.
It’s almost funny to think that the prosecutors actually thought that the transposing picture of Caylee was going to be this monumental factor that was going to put Casey away. It’s a shame that they thought so little of the jurors. I wonder if JA mentions that in his book.
I don’t know what to think about all of these sue happy individuals and their NEED to have Casey answer questions.. Aren’t 50,000 ppl hoping and praying that the Feds take a shot at this case?
We all know that Leonard Padilla and Tim Miller are both media hogs. Wouldn’t they just love to be the one’s who make Casey incriminate herself? Much like Morgan & Morgan?
I’m just a little skeptical as to what motivates these people. Is anyone else thinking about that?
Ok, I dont know how to post pdf stuff here. But go to this link (same as the one I posted above) and it has the TES motion AND Casey Anthonys answers to the motions VERY VERY INFORMATIVE!
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/december/353976/casey-anthony-motion?cmpid=twitter
HELLO JB!!
I’m sorry that KimP felt the need to leave a “no reply needed” message. But whatever makes her feel comfortable, I guess. Like you, I hope she feels as though she accomplished whatever she needed to.
As for the question regarding Ashton mentioning the transposed picture in his book……I haven’t read his book, but that’s a great question. I don’t know, though, how he’d find time to add anything about that since, from what I hear, the book is relatively short and focuses so much on criticizing the jury and casting blame for the whole DP being on the table onto Lamar that to include anything relevant in the pages would detract from the real purpose of the book……you know, to whine about the jury. I thought about reading the book, but then I realized that I could never fight the urge to puke every time I imagined laughing man’s cocky smirk as he smugly counts the money he’s making off of the biggest loss of his career.
As far as the lawsuits go….I’m definitely wondering what the motivation for them is…..but given the players bringing the suits, I don’t have to wonder too far. I hope they are all tossed. Miller should be suing Cindy, NeJame and LE. NeJame for convincing Cindy to contact TES, Cindy for making the contact and insisting they search only for a live Caylee (even though they were searching for a body…..so why does it make a difference if Casey lied. They didn’t believe her anyway and were enraging Cindy by insisting that they run the search as a recovery rather than a rescue), and LE for asking TES to stay even after Cindy told them to leave. I see nothing to indicate that they would have immediately left Orlando IF they had known Caylee was dead. Wouldn’t they have continued to search for her body even with the knowledge that she had been deceased??? Furthermore, if you can believe Kronk’s three-time find……then shouldn’t someone be suing TES for failure to find the remains which were OBVIOUSLY right under their noses the entire time (remember….I said IF you can believe Kronk’s story about the remains being there in August).
I think that the TES lawsuit is meant to 1) keep their name in the news and 2) throw a lucky dart at a target and hope they win some money and 3) to get even with the Anthony clan, since there was obviously some animosity there.
Of course, we can all easily figure out the motivation for the Morgan and Morg…..err….I mean, the ZFG/ZG/CZG lawsuit.
Omar, I love to read your so thought out and insightful comments! Did you see the video of Tim Miller, I think was yesterday, when Caseys Civil Attnys served him with papers for the depo. He made a smart azz remark stating (paraphrazing) dont Casey Anthonys attnys know that they are suppose to serve my attnys and not me…LoL one of the reporters asked about him coming to Orlando, he said he HATES coming to Orlando! He was coming becase “Mark” said his client wanted to be more involved. Oh and I didnt know til a few days ago, or realized that Mark Najame isnt TES attny anymore. Seems strange bedfellows these Najame and Morgans involved in this Michelle P case. Hate that they will make it a circus, as it already has started….sad.
They are useing these people who are so vulnerable. And then they have the NERVE to say anything about Jose and Mason and the rest of Caseys DT.
Good points Omar, especially regarding TES. If you believe Kronk was pointing to a shroud then obviously TES failed to do their part and as for LP? Well, we all know HE inserted himself into this case which leads me to believe that they are fishing for answers from Casey herself.
Well, that and their need for the limelight. It seems to be a prevalent addiction to alot of the players. Ironically the only one not looking for attention is Casey.
Thanks for the link Mimi,
I’m going to go check it out now.
Hi GasCanGeorge!
How have you been? You’ve asked a good question..where is Snoop?? Hmm..maybe I should send her an email.
TES filing of lawsuit http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/tx/anthony.pdf
OMG!! Not AGAIN! They just can’t seem to get it right. Read on page 3 of:
http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/documents/casey-depo-response-1205.pdf
under “The Amended Complaint Alleges”, 2nd paragraph…. UGH!
I am just flabbergastedly APPALLED at the deliberate BULL SH!T.
Haha, Mimi…..I didn’t see the video of Miller, but I’m not surprised that he hates coming to Orlando. Obviously it reminds him of how grossly mismanaged the search teams were and how they missed finding remains that were right under their noses!! I also didn’t know that NeJame was no longer representing TES. Hmmmmm……NeJame is gonna go where the limelight and the cash are. MOO.
Morgan & Morgan and MNJ are of the same blood-sucking caliber in my opinion. They are so mad that Jose and Cheney and the defense team pulled off a win that they can’t see straight! Naturally, they don’t wanna be one-upped, so they are jumping in on the MP bandwagon hoping that they can spend some more time in front of those TV cameras. I sure hope MNJ’s hairspray holds up! *gag*
And thanks for the links, Mimi!! (((HUGS))). Sure hope your friends and your uncle are all doing better. Sending prayers up!!
JB…..like you, I find that it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy that Casey is NOT seeking any attention. She sure is making liars out of all those folks who INSISTED that she LOVED the attention this case brought her. I guess there are really a lot of stupid people in this world. Don’t they know that Casey was NEVER the one pandering for the media. In fact, she never said a thing to the media……unless you count those jail house videos and letters……and, welp…..she couldn’t help it those were released. It’s true that I don’t live in Florida so I don’t get the local news from that area……but as far as I can recall, Casey never did a single interview with the media. THAT was Cindy, George, Toothpick Cowboy, and everyone else BUT Casey. Of course, Baez did some interviews…..but I can’t blame him for that. The media jacked everything up and stacked everything against Casey so brazenly that someone needed to try to do some damage control.
Ironically…..Padilla, NeJame, Miller and all of those Casey-hating media ho’s are just making themselves look bad. Like my grandma used to say…..”If you keep your mouth shut, people will only think it. Once you go and open your mouth, then they’ll have proof.” I wanna look at that group of…….males……..and say, “here’s your sign.”
(((Hugs))) JB.
Night all!
COL…..I read that earlier and rolled my eyes. We shouldn’t be surprised by anything at this point BUT it still blows my mind!
Have a great night!
From Jose Baez FB posted Dec 5 2011
Jose Baez
Hello everyone, just got back from Aruba, Miami, New York, Miami etc. unbelievable. But thanks for the kind words. I have some big news coming soon and I am just happy to be back in my office with my incredible staff, who I could never do anything without them.
Like · · 14 hours ago ·
I bet and Hope its that he is writing a book! LOL
Any other thoughts?
LOL AND IF IT IS A BOOK< I bet big money it will be a best seller! LOL Honestly I bet any book will be, but even the haters will buy it and most will lie about it!
Has anyone heard any update on Chaney Mason since he went home. Prob keeping private, I dont blame him. Hoping he is doing much better and cant wait to read his book! My Mom bought me the JA book but I told her I decided it was just the same ole so she is reading it lol I may someday but I honestly dont think I want to right now. Have read so much and seems most say the same thing.
Hmmm AK. I cannot even begin to think of what that “big news” could be. Can’t wait to find out though
COL, yep ZG they keep stating lol. Casey said ZFG. And I dont remember reading where Casey said anything about Michelle or Jasmine. LOL Poss something I missed…. As much as I want to see the full zg depo I have thought about it and its pretty smart that they havent even filed it yet. IMHO
How can Tim Miller they have a case against Casey Anthony. Was there any time and place that
CASEY ever hired Tim Miller or requested him to come and search for Caylee. Wasn’t it Cindy who requested him to come search for a LIVE Caylee. So why Casey, and not Cindy. Sorry Tim Miller lost his child, that is horrible, but for him to end up with a tinge of greed for his Equasearch when the defendent had nothing to do with his being there is imo not in his best interest for the future. As we all do, he has gotten older. Am I allowed to say, to a degree very hateful.
Comment; that is what I understood also. I believe it was Najame (when he represented Cindy and George) who suggested Tim Miller come in to search for Caylee. He had to talk Cindy into it because he normally searches for bodies. She was reassured that Miller would serve for a “live” Caylee and Cindy made the call to Tim. Najame had already been in touch with Tim but he said he would only come in if Cindy called him and asked him to come). There was a big fight at the search command center between Cindy and Tim when it was broadcast that Tim was searching for a body. I will have to search for the backup info on my opinions here for you all but this is what I remember about the whole Tim Miller involvement. When Tim was going to pull out of the search because of Cindy’s ire and non-support of his efforts, LE asked Tim to continue searching and gave him $5,000 to do so. No where was Casey involved in either asking Tim to come into this search or even speaking with him IIRC.
Good Morning all!
New Article Alert!
http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/lawsuits-flourish-in-the-anthony-debacle/
Here is some info on Tim Miller and his interjection into these missing children cases:
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/10/kyron-searching-for-bones.html
Tim Miller’s Texasequasearch was conceived in tragedy, and its work is in the midst of tragedy.
By the time he is called in, many cases are concluded that they are looking for a body.
When a family finally meets Miller, he is a source of comfort and will “bring ‘em home” for proper
burial.
But when Tim Miller met Cindy Anthony, it was the first time, according to Miller, that the family
would not cooperate. when he got to the Anthony home, he found the family split into two camps:
On one side was Casey Anthony, the “missing” child’s mother WHO REFUSED TO SPEAK TO TIM MILLER.
Also on this side was Cindy Anthony, who when pressed by George Anthony to get Casey to
cooperate, and at least point to on a map as to where in Florida Tim Miller might just start, THREW
MILLER OUT OF THE HOME.
At no time did Miller talk to Casey or get any info from Casey. Casey DID NOT ASK HIM TO LOOK FOR
CAYLEE! He should direct his law suit to George Anthony and maybe Cindy, but not to Casey. LE
gave him $5,000 to continue his search and he did remain and search. So sue LE?
Tim Miller is turning into another “want to be” detective like Morgan and that lame Padilla who put
up the original bail for Casey. Do you all recall when Miller got involved in the Haleigh Cummings
case? He had one of his volunteer’s wear a wire and befriend Misty. This is from the Art Harris site:
“In an exclusive interview with The Bald Truth Monday, Miller confirmed he secretly funded Misty
Cummings’ mystery road trip to Daytona, Cocoa Beach, and Orlando [with his friend/volunteer Donna
Brock], including a visit to Universal, after after she flunked a lie detector — because he feared her
life was in danger. “If she died, we’d never find Haleigh,” he said.”
Brock is a long time Texas Equusearch volunteer; she’s worked on searches in North Carolina and in
the Caylee Anthony case, lives parttime in Florida and, Miller tells me, offered to befriend Misty with
a two-pronged goal: to glean information Misty confided that Miller would feed Putnam County
Sheriff’s investigators, and to put some distance between her and husband Ronald Cummings. [SNIP]
Then as we learned more, we were asked not to reveal our sources of the inside information on the
rift in progress, lest we blow TE’s strategy to unearth any surreptitious Haleigh leads, and honored
that request. We did confirm independently that law enforcement was receiving a regular feed and
updates on Misty whereabouts, along with tidbits that might be useful in the investigation, on a
voluntary basis. [In other words, LE did NOT ask them to do this!]
In no way were Miller or Brock official agents of law enforcement, sources tell me, or agents would
have to read Misty her Miranda rights, that she was a target and that anything she said might be held
against her.
“Detectives didn’t know where they were all the time,” says one insider close to the
investigation,”but they knew how to find her if needed.”
I LIKE THIS PERSON’S RESPONSE TO ART HARRIS’S ARTICLE:
“talking2much · 110 weeks ago
Pathetic! You are so afraid of the truth you won’t post a simple question concerning you ever
changing stories. A true reporter never takes sides as you have with Miller. You have defended a
person who injected himself into the personal lives of a missing child, the same person who only
response to Mark Klass is F_ Mark? what an upstanding man you defend! but you can not defend your
lack of journalist integrity.”
TIM MILLER IS JUST LIKE THE REST OF THEM! THEY WANT TO INJECT THEMSELVES IN INAPPROPRIATE
WAYS IN THESE CASES AND HLN, NANCY GRACE, JLM ETC. GIVE THEM THE PLATFORM TO PLAY THEIR
“LOOK AT ME” GAMES! Miller, Padilla, Najame, Morgan, Grund (Jr and Sr) etc. They are all a joke and
have the potential to truly screw a case up. Look at how what they have said has influenced public
opinion in these cases. Too many people don’t see these fameseekers for what they are.
IMHO Tim Miller is angry with the Anthony’s because it was Cindy who revealed the alcholic that
Time Miller is. He should remember HE IS THE ONE who went on a radio show drunk and people
realized that he was 3 sheets to the wind. Cindy didn’t make him do that!
Noni, Great comment!
I hope you don’t mind if I move it to the new thread. It’s about Tim Miller and I’d love to have this info there for reference.
I think TM really has his heart in the right place at the beginning but somehow he got lost.
It’s kind of sad.
Noni,
I agree with you 100 PERCENT!!!