Finally! After a remarkably good day for the Anthony defense team we’re learning via Tweets that Roy Kronk, the Meter Man and the Sole Searcher who officially found the remains of 2 ½ year old Caylee Marie Anthony may possibly be called today to testify.
Roy Kronk, a man with quite an array of dubious deeds will hopefully enlightened us bloggers as to why SAOs Linda Drane Burdick and Jeff Ashton suspiciously chose not to add him as a State witness unlike in other murder trials. Usually the person who finds the remains of the victim is often called to the stand if only to praise him or her as a hero but not Roy Kronk.
I believe had Casey Anthony not been the #1 suspect of murdering her daughter Caylee, Roy Kronk would have been a close second and perhaps a stronger person of interest (POI) in Caylee’s disappearance. Without a doubt any good homicide detective would have picked Roy Kronk’s story apart during interrogation, from the first 911 call on August 11, 2008 to December 11, 2008, the official day he found Caylee’s remains.
Imagine Sgt. John Allen’s suspicion had he known this about Mr. Kronk.
Tidbit #1
Roy Kronk was arrested and charged with kidnapping in May 1992. Auspiciously, Beaufort County, SC did not believe his captive/accuser and dismissed charges. Roy Kronk later had this charge expunged from his record for the sake of his career in the Coast Guard.
Although the woman who accused him of kidnapping her is now deceased there are family members and an ex-husband who are more than willing to testify in her behalf IF need be.
Roy Kronk’s own father said that Roy Kronk rented a car and brought handcuffs, duct tape and a plastic gun to Beaufort, SC to force her to come back with him to Key West.Kronk’s determination drove him over a thousand miles to Beaufort County, SC to kidnap XX. Fortunately, her fiancee came home on leave just in time to save her from Roy Kronk. Her fiancee, a Marine had the distinct pleasure of beating the shit out of Kronk.
Tidbit #2
Here’s ANOTHER person who tells a similar story about Roy Kronk’s propensity to abuse and take women against their will. Jill Kerley. She is his ex-wife who said in a recorded video that Roy Kronk had beat her on several occasions and used “100 mph duct tape” around her hands to keep her from calling for help. While in Maryville, he packed a bag put it in the car and told her they were going to the store and instead took her to Maryland where his father lived. There she was beat in front of Roy Kronk’s father so badly that she needed to go to the hospital.” She claims RK was capable of murder and she thought he tried to kill her by putting something in a glass of wine which she drank and later passed out for no apparent reason except for the tainted wine.
Tidbit #3
Eleven years ago, in a 1997 report from Kingsport, Tennessee, Kronk called in a tip to investigators that they would find several stolen guns and other items in a wooded field but when officers searched the field they were unable to find any of the items Kronk had reported.
Incidentally, Jill Kerley lived only 2 hours from Kingsport, Tennessee. After reading this report, I think this validates Jill Kerley’s fear that Kronk was still intending to cause her harm. Jill Kerley told Jose Baez she had no idea that he was that close to her in 1997.
Considering this story is eerily similar to what Kronk did in Orlando, Florida, I can see where the Defense team or anyone would raise an eyebrow.
Find firearms report here:
Tidbit#4
Crystal Sparks, another ex-wife of Roy Kronk, who is not disgruntled in any way had lots to say about Roy Kronk. She said Roy’s father called her with the news that Roy was in jail on kidnapping and elaborated RK rented a car and brought handcuffs, duct tape and a plastic toy gun to retrieve his girlfriend who had fled back to Beaufort, South Carolina. Crystal Sparks has no reason to make this up.
CS spoke of Roy Kronk’s estranged family and particularly about his sister Susan. Susan was not a big fan of Roy’s. Susan also had deep concerns with her 2-3 year old daughter Jessica’s closeness to Roy. At a family gathering at Crystal’s home, she recalls Susan was adamant that Jessica not sit on Roy’s lap. For this reason Crystal had concerns about Roy being around young girls too.
It’s in this interview that Crystal opens the door to a phone call Roy made to their son Brandon Sparks. She recalls Brandon telling her about Roy calling Brandon in mid-November, approximately 2 weeks before Thanksgiving 2008 telling him, “you’re going to see me in the news. I’m gonna be a hero. I know where the little girl Caylee is and I’m going to get her,” he adds, “when the water went down.” According to Crystal Sparks, Susan had heard through her obsequious brother Roy that he had found the “little girl’s” body in middle November too. Crystal elaborated more on Roy’s obsession with Dungeon’s and Dragons, saying he likes anything in the fantasy realm and he lies a lot.
Tidbit #5
Here’s a guy who finds Caylee’s remains in August, calls LE on 3 different occasions and they can’t find Caylee’s remains while standing there with Kronk pointing to it. That doesn’t seem likely.
Unfortunately for the defense, the jurors will not know any of this about Roy Kronk. Judge Belvin Perry ruled in January that none of his prior bad acts can be brought into trial. Not a problem for the defense, there’s only one act that attorney Jose Baez wants to talk to Kronk about and that’s if he superciliously hid Caylee’s remains in hopes of reaping in a reward. Ironically, this is the reward money $50,000 Roy Kronk managed to blow when he called his supervisor instead of directly calling the Crimeline.
Poor Roy.
Snipped from WFTV dated December 15, 2008
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — It was a meter reader who found the remains that could be Caylee Anthony. He’s having a tough time and does not want to talk with the media and he is so disturbed by what he found his bosses have given him some time off of work.
When the Orange County meter reader discovered a skull in the woods not too far from Caylee Anthony’s home his supervisor called 911.
That phone call makes the meter reader ineligible for a $5,000 Crimeline reward. To collect the reward, you have to call Crimeline first before you call 911.
“You have to initiate a tip with Crimeline at 1-800-423-TIPS,” explained Detective Barb Bergin, Crimeline. “We don’t have enough money to pay rewards to everyone who calls 911.”
Bergin encourages people to call 911 if there is an emergency, but Crimeline calls are answered 24 hours a day.
“As calls come in, if it’s something that needs an emergency or needs law enforcement, we have people in place for that to happen immediately,” Bergin said.
Bounty hunter Leonard Padilla offered a $50,000 reward for Caylee’s body, but pulled the money when people complained searchers were tearing up their yards looking for remains.
“I don’t want to get sued,” Padilla said….
SUBURBAN DRIVE
While I’m focusing on the only undisputable fact of this case, Suburban Drive, I’m reminded of another article I wrote November 15, 2010 titled “Close But No Caylee”. In that article I attempted to list the many known players who actually searched this corner of Suburban and Hopespring Drive who failed to find a body.
There were cadaver dogs, trained LE with K-9s, there were 32 Texas Equaasearch volunteers, and of course there was Roy Kronk who claims he found Caylee’s remains on August 11th/2008 which was disproved by Sgt Richard Cain.
Knowing this information, I think there’s a good possibility that Casey Anthony was not the one who placed little Caylee’s body in this area now called “Area A”.
Dominic Casey, the private investigator hired by Cindy and George Anthony and his camera man fellow PI, Jim Hoover video.
A month ago Snoop, an Orlando resident and tenacious seeker of the truth here at theJBMission volunteered to revisit Suburban Drive in order to take photographs and resolve the myths reported by the local media.
This is what Snoop says about Area A, the burial site where Caylee’s remains were found.
It’s important to know Tropical Storm Fay did not reach Central Fl until Aug. 20th/2008.
It’s important to know Florida was in a long drought before Tropical storm Fay.
It’s important to know the area where the remains were found received 6-11 inches of rain.
It’s important to know in a nearby area where there were 22 inches of rain that all flooding had receded by September.
It’s important to know Suburban Drive could not possibly hold the amount of water as reported. The amount of rain there was 6 inches at best. Perhaps east toward the school would hold 6-11 inches but not in Area A where the remains were found.
It’s important to know it was dry on August 11th, the first time Roy Kronk is said to have seen something white in the “water” that looked like a skull.
It’s important to know the distance from the tree line to Area A is 6 feet which means if Officer Richard Cain just peered in and there was a visible skull as Roy Kronk claimed he would have seen it.
It’s important to know that Cain walked in, poked around a bag of leaves and nothing was there. There is no way Cain could have not seen what Kronk saw.
It’s important to know this is not a jungle or Amazon. You don’t need a whacker to get through.
It’s important to know that in Dominick Casey’s video there was a television and a blanket that was photographed that is approximately 15 feet from Area A. Dominick Casey was surely at some point in Area A or beyond it.
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Expectantly, with Jim Hoover and Dominick Casey setting the stage, the Anthony defense team is prepared to expose the truth of the mysterious finding of Caylee Marie Anthony.
Here are the Questions I’d Like to Ask Roy Kronk:
1. When you first discovered the suspicious bag on Suburban, what did you think when LE dismissed your finding?
2. After 3 consecutive days of reporting the suspicious bag with no results, did you think you were wrong?
3. Did you know Tim Miller searched this area Sept. 3, 2008?
4. If you would have known, would you have gone to the area to point it out to them?
5. What made you go back December 11, 2008?
6. Did you contact Leonard Padilla at any time during November 2008 for the possibility of getting the reward?
7. Did the reward ever cross your mind?
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Just for starters…
theJBMission~
Sources:
WFTV – No Reward for Kronk
http://www.wftv.com/news/18285004/detail.html
Snoop’s photobucket
http://s1125.photobucket.com/albums/l582/shar246/
Default album and sub folders are on the right-All the pictures and videos are at this site, Also all Jose Baez and InSession interviews.
My Related Articles:
To Kronk or Not to Kronk
http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/to-kronk-or-not-to-kronk/
Suburban Drive
http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/2011/05/03/suburban-drive/
Close But No Caylee
http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/2010/11/15/close-but-no-caylee/

JBmiss thanks for your refresh on RK data, too bad the jury doesn’t know that. Where was RK on June 16-17/08?
look at the aerials on the neighborhood… looks like there is a path(s) through the woods from the back of the ants home to the remains area.
Omar> huh? The direction that what?
Misty…..ME TOO!!!! This trial has been nearly all-consuming!
Perelandra…..Hello and Welcome. Please prioritize your day. Do you REALLY have to work? And eating and bathing are overrated, I find. What could be more important that you being here to make fun of the witness and the PT with us???????
I didn’t hear CM call RK “Mr. Crock”…..but I KNOW he was thinking it, if that’s any consolation!
where did Sam go? our very own court reporter?
So, Mr. K, you don’t know these people, (right)
you didn’t have access to their coomputers (right)
you didn’t have access to KC’s Pontiac sunfire (right)
you are just an upstanding model good Samaritan (yes i am)
but I, the lead prosecutor on this case fo rthe St of Fl did not call you as my witness to show that you were the one who found the body (right)
Thank you, Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, ………. hmmm,
over and out,
/blam
What I was trying to say, Bella, is that if people don’t start thinking for themselves, and if they just keep on believing whatever some talking head in the media tells them, we will soon be a country with no freedoms, and one whose citizens are owned by the state and are told what to say and what to do and where to work and where to go to church, etc……….and that’s a very far cry from the principals on which our country was founded.
Blam…..EXACTLY!!!!
Mr. Kronk is so great and believable, but the state didn’t want to touch him with a 10 ft pole.
Kronk licked his lips a lot today. What was that all about? Body language experts say lick lipping indicates deception.
He licked his lips so many times when questioned by Mason, and he also licked his lips when Burdick said “You’ve never had access to the inside of the Anthony
home”
Kronk said :”NO, maam”, then licked his lips.
Hmmm – was Kronk in the Anthony home?
mmmm..thats a VERY interesting observation Perelandra….
Omar,
that’s exactly what I’m saying……… now do you think the jury got it?
/blam
I hope so, Blam!!!
I’m still here! I just see things differently for Kronk. Thought I’d watch and learn for a bit.
I did just find out that Jesse Grund is in the hallway. That should be interesting!
Omar @4:15pm,
Amen to that! Outwardly this trial is about KC; but inwardly this trial is really about all of us, bec it could be any one of us………….. this is very, very scary.
/blam
OK SAM…lol..just checkin on ya
Misty,
I wanted CM to smash him too but I feel confident that the DT has their strategy for how far they are going to advance their case w/ each witness, and they will impeach our good buddy, Mr. RK w/ the testimony of others……………
/blam
JimLichtenstein Jim Lichtenstein
No, an “I’m not stable” issue.“@Tattookat1: @JimLichtenstein was there a security issue earlier”
Any thoughts as to who? Last witness seemed really nervous.
super cool name!!..Love that..moonsammy…. sounds like a name with character..
i simply cant believe this trial. its plai
n to me the state of FLORIDA FRAMED KC.
what on earth are you talking about FLN?
FLNurse???
LOL..are u kidding me!! hey..if he has nothing to hide, then his name is cleared. People are in the news all of the time.. Mr Kronk wanted to be the hero, he put himself into this mess..so he’s fair game, have at him!
yes fln your mr k can sue anybody he wants
@LOL-
Think your the igmo that doesn’t just get it…sheeple leader
mr. k wont get a dam thing but yes he can sue
FLNurse, I think he’d have to sue the prosecution! I’m sure they have their hands dirty somehow.
I know misty!! That is the dumbest question…of course he can try…LMAO!!
Anthony’s said they usually used garage entrance to their home, not the front door.
Maybe Kronk WAS in the Anthny home . . .
Entered through the open garage door?
wow..who is Perry on the phone with!!
yeah…I would think Mr K’s lawsuit should be geared toward the state should he want to pursue one…lol
These testimonies of the occ are just proving KC behavior under a condition that would be stressful for me
I think it shows she felt safer in jail than at home, maybe?
imo It proves KC behavior and how she handles situations ie the death of Caylee.
I think it shows that her behavior never changes no matter the traumatic events surrounding her life…such as the death of her daughter. Her behavior is consistent when experiencing stress and trauma. It is ingrained from the abuse.MOO
@sam-
yeah…a tiny blip of a thought fleeted across my brain within that…lol..that the small confined area did make her feel safe from home.
Ok I understand your perspective Omar…Ill say this…that this country has always been a country where a smaller percentage do and a lot more dont make sense..(to oversimplify) .. I hear a lot of folks who laud the original drafters of this constitution as a group of people who embraced freedom… lmao…no I think the Lynch Mob posse were in full affect then as much as now..honestly…the original politicians in this country intentionally framed the laws to exclude pretty much everyone but themselves and other landowners from equal protection by the law, and basic human rights…Keep in mind they not only condoned ownership of the greater majority of the people around them as property, but they drafted the rights of ownership of those folks into law.
(which btw included any intellectual property)..then for the folks they didnt own, (like women and so called native americans) they drafted laws that SPECIFICALLY deprived the rest of the masses from sufferage,land ownership, education.etc.etc…
The drafters fought mercilessly and agressively to maintain this craziness for roughly 150 years until the last holdout in the modern era finally gave way to the majority having rights and being able to use them…
As I said in 1 of my LATE night previous posts, it wasnt until 1968…..43 years ago that the federal government FINALLY enacted legislation banning Lynching here in the U.S…. over 40% of the population are 50 years or older…which means that a LARGE percentage of the U.S. population lived a childhood where it was legal to lynch another fellow citizen for whatever reasons…
(contrary to popular belief it wasn’t ALWAYS race specific)…
but then again they also witnessed the US government finally taking a stand, and outlawing the practice and drafting legislation to protect the rights of its citizens…
so it is to say as we live and breathe its not surprising or a historically unique phenomenon that a large body of Sheeple blindly follow, and viciously seek retribution for a crime that hasnt even been proven to have happened…
whats refreshing though are the smaller percentage of truth seekers, who according to history who progressively make the change the sheeple benefit from…
Misty, I concur. You said it better than I could or did.
Hi people, I’ve been reading your comments and they are excellent. Thanks jb for this blog. I know is a little late to enter your discussions but I will try. I’m not watching the trial, SAM is my guide and she does a very good job. Thanks
I think that what Jose was getting at with these witnesses is that Casey is capable of seeming happy and putting on a happy face REGARDLESS of how drastic or bad her circumstances are. It goes toward defense theory…..and of course, Perry has cut them off at the knees. There is never a materialality when it comes to someone’s behavior. It either is or it isn’t. In many, many, many murder trials or criminal proceedings have included witnesses who could testify as to a person’s demeanor or behavior before or after a crime. For heaven’s sake, what material fact do you THINK they’re trying to prove Perry??? Her ability to compartmentalize is as much a relevant part of this case as is her BEHAVIOR during the “31 days” that the state is using (along with pictures) to end her life. Perry……why would you disallow the defense from defending their client?????
Omar,
here, here
well said
I find it somewhat ironic that all the TH’s across the board keep saying the defense is having a bad day, every day, day in and day out, and yet even though the defense has never had a good day according to them, they all are questioning whether or not the state has proven the states case for premeditated murder.
blam, you kept me up last night searching property records…. thanks.
check out the OC tax site:
DILLEY DENNIS
DILLEY ALICE
4709 HOPESPRING DR
ORLANDO, FL 32829-8642
purchased: 11/14/2003
1) LEBRON FREDESVINDA (current, she remarried, see below)
4701 HOPESPRING DR
ORLANDO, FL 32829-8642
purchased: 4/18/2008
2) GONZALEZ PETER
GONZALEZ FREDESVINDA
purchased: 6/30/1999
yesterday finally figured where the ‘abandoned’ house was that DC visited.
Right next door to Kiomarie Torres-Cruz! Kiomarie has always been the one that I’ve suspected of being up to something funny. She contacted LE very early on and her whole tale was really fishy. Now I see her father’s name is Rivera Cruz… He and his wife moved to Fl from PR. Do they know or are they related to Krystal Holloway? Don’t know where she’s from org.
CRUZ RIVERA LUIS R
TORRES BURGOS SYLVIA
8726 BRACKENWOOD DR
ORLANDO, FL 32829-8631
i feel most people are trying to figure out exactly what the state is def. hiding, AND WHY they need to hide the truth????????????????????????????
“abandoned house” Looks to be occupied now, as of 1/2011…
went into foreclosure or county seized it for back taxes
1) ORTIZ FELIX (current)
ORTIZ ELIZABETH
8718 BRACKENWOOD DR
ORLANDO, FL 32829-8631
purchased: 1/25/2011
2) MIB PROPERTIES LLC
purchased: 12/23/2009
3) NATIONSTAR MORTGAGE LLC
CENTEX HOME EQUITY COMPANY LLC
recorded: 07/07/2009
4) ORANGE COUNTY
date: 5/1/2009
5) GONZALEZ HERNAN L (deed transfer for $10.00 from Noemi Gonzalez, “an unmarried woman”, probably the mother?)
GONZALEZ ELSA I
purchased: 10/7/2002
6) GONZALEZ NOEMI
purchased: 11/2/1990
Is Gonzalez hispanic for Smith?
Wow…Pere!
omg…that is sooooo effing interesting!
thedeviledadvocate,
the TH are right…as Omar says (rightly so) JP cutting the DT off at the knees, then the DT is having bad days
re DC testimony/involvement. Poor guy… that was awful to watch FG hammer at him for what seemed like hours. I personally think he’s a sweet innocent guy and if anyone was manipulating him I think it was CA.
Whats driving me crazy is the fact that each and every time Baez attempts to impeach the State witnesses, hes stopped in his tracks!
Grrr…this whole trial is a travesty of justice!
What was that loook Jesse Grund gave the PT?
LA testimony this AM… weren’t they looking all over for Caylee right from the get go? TES was out beating the bushes from when? Aug? They weren’t looking for a live child in the woods. I don’t know but it didn’t seem to ring true. Not saying I believe CA and maybe LA is just confused.
Makes total sense, Omar. I agree that if the prosecution can bring in the photos to show demeanor, then demeanor is relevant. Well said. The testimony of the guards is consistent with lots of others, too. Except her parents, of course.
thanks jbmission… spooky isn’t it… and listen to Kio’s interview, weird!
perelandra,
I think ur on to something. There’s something not right with GA’s involvement with these people.
How does he know them? Why does Kalani scream and cry, “George..protect ur baby Casey”
I’ve always wanted to share my real thoughts about the finding of Caylee’s remains but I’m actually petrified by the fact that I might be right.
Does anyone else think that it’s possible that LE knew where the body was?
Did I miss Jesse testifying?
B. Chafes me said jp had never had a decision overturned on appeal… I think he said there were 8 capital murder trials on his sterling record. I’m thinkin this is going to go to appeal, and all jp wants to do to cover his butt. Also, he is an elected judge, no? Voters will be watching, eh…
Missed most afternoon testimony but just saw JA, LDB and Jp are together throwing all testimony related to DT theory OUT. Sick.
“Does anyone else think that it’s possible that LE knew where the body was?” Why? were they trying reel in the whole dang kiddie pron ring? don’t know where you’re going with that?
hmmm…like we didn’t see this shit coming! Of course it won’t be easy for JB to defend KC.
Why? What are these’ Mo-Fo’s afraid of… the truth.
kinda Sam… they just proffered him…. very short… he just said KC told him the LA groping story and wanted to keep Caylee away from him,.
Sam, JB proffered Jesse. Asked him about when KC and him were engaged, why he felt uncomfortable around Lee. And KC went on to tell him about Lee standing over her while she was sleeping and another time he was in her bed. KC didn’t want Caylee around him (Lee) Jesse said he heard enough
pere-
I’ll explain later…I’m listening to the JP being his same old biased ass self..
JB, Perelandra, Riley, Omar,
wouldn’t meter readers know the names of the acount that they are reading the meter for?
So, the name Zenaida Gonzalez……. and “she’s close” which is what the 2nd meter reader mentioned today. Now I know he was very truthful, but this would put the reason for the body behind there, am I making sense.
/blam
wow blam-
good thinking!!
jb – you wrote ““Does anyone else think that it’s possible that LE knew where the body was?”
Yes, I think it is possible.
Thanks! Been waiting for Jesse to enter into this.
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON! WHO WAS JP SPEAKING TO ON THE PHONE?
LOL..I’M LOST! CAN YA TELL!!
Pls. educate me on what the objective here is? I am lost. TIA,
/blam
jp just said Mr. Grunts… or have got DC hearing problem?
OK guys…I will have to come back later and catch up…I have a party with about 25 people coming to my house Thurs night…lol..and now I have cornered myself into having to pick it up and double time at the end of each day…ugghhh..I cannot believe I have allowed this trial to consume me like this!…lol… I love all you guys though!!
have a wonderful evening all
they have to know what water bill to charge
Misty,
Here me out on this and anyone else.
That ould me that:
RK already had the body? it wasn’t there in August? and after they said that, he knew this is where he is going to put it when the time is right? (I am really crazy here/ outon a limb?) but there wuld have to be some collusion between RK and GA?
pls. thoughts? (Riley are you there? Yellow Dog, what do you think about this?)
House 4701 on Hopespring is Zenaida
House 4709 on Hopespring is Gonzalez
Initially, I thought it was a coincident, but not any more???????????
/blam
Ok wait…ii got side tracked with my long history lesson/post to Omar…please forgive.ok so wait…
let me ask you guys…the property ownership of the houses…
etc… so whou is Kiomarie? I guess I could research it…& to you all speculating on SOMEONE and the kiddie porn possibility. let me say this …1st off my educational background is in film studies, Ive been spending a tremendous amount of time ( I mean roughly 8 or years or so) researching and working on a project focused on child sex exploitation & human trafficking with the intent on finally producing work that brings attention to the subject,,
Im NO expert, but have been through my own issues in the past, which is my primary motivation for interest in this subject…
1st off with the limited links I saw posted here from the Anthony hard drive there were a few things I noticed that sparked my interest…& also a bit from the autopsy that made me suspicious..
Ill explore those ideas with you all if you’d like sense we’ve all been contemplating ….
A part of the reason I asked the other night if GA had his own laptop….
blam, I doubt they have the property owners name. It all electronic these days, they just aim and shoot. And the Gonzalez at 4701 changed her name to her married name in ’08 or before. Now, maybe the name was still Gonzalez w/CO water. KC more than likely knew at least the family name… she’d been living in the neighborhood since she was kid, and surely walked by there to and from school every day for years.
Remember, he said which I think wass a slip… he said on cross that he was in the Anthony’s front yard when he read the meter. So, if that was so,then he not only knew about the media being there…………. he saw and OVERHEARD WHAT as he was reading the meter? Wait a minute, I think there is something here.
Riley, help?
Yellow Dog, help?
Omar, help?
Misty, help?
Help…………………. what do y’all think?
There has to be a connection …………… this is not a coinky dink.
/blam
JB — I know you have your “grand person” –and it’s difficult to blog — well I have my 3 Little people” (aka grandpeople here) and I’m having a hard time too –’especially since my husband feels the oldest (11) shouldn’t be watching — (tho’ she does with her mom) —- so — we have to “sneak” ….. but …. truth be told…. are we nuts …are what is going on with BS et al???? Strange is a simple word …. thank goodness for you creating this “safe place” xoxooxoxo— and it’s amazing how many newbies found you ………………..
blam… plz… ck the property records? Where are getting this:
“pls. thoughts? (Riley are you there? Yellow Dog, what do you think about this?)
House 4701 on Hopespring is Zenaida
House 4709 on Hopespring is Gonzalez”
datz not so… sorry. I’m seriously thinking Gonzalez is a very common name… searched on it w/orange co. 1764 total records.
Perelandra,
I agree w/ you about the elctronic point and shoot but what was the date of that jailhouse video where she talked about it being close? You know that was played all over the media in Orlando? And the zenaida Gonzalez thing, everyone her ein MIA knew it, so I know ORL was saturated w/ it. That is way tooo far…. this body was definitely planted. Who has been saying that?
Riley?, GCG? or Yellow Dog? one of y’all…………………….. there’s a string here that is loose.
/blam
Gonzalez is an EXTREMELY common name…
they all are, fernandez, hernandez, rodriquez,
all VERY common
Was Caylee buried under the pavers beside the abandoned house, and are the pavers a match to those in Anthony’s yard?
I remember CIndy mentioning pavers . . ..
In the video of Dominic trying to uncover the garbage bag buried by the abandoned house, the pole he used to test for resistance did hit something.
Dominic said he went back to the abandoned house with a trowel. I wonder if, when he went back, he found the area he had dug at had been further dug up,, and the bag was no longer there.
Perelandra,
Gonzalez is def a very common name. No question, I live in Miami. Very common. But we are dealing w/ two diff perspectives (and this is my theory). I read on some site and saw it that 4701 Hopespring is Gonzalez and the other is Zenaida or vice versa. I didn’t make it up.
/blam
Of course the body was planted I think we can all agree on that..but you guys are saying LE did it do you think?
Thats not a far fetched theory at all..
considering…
but it would totally explain why, when they received the 1st call from Kronk noone responded…
blam… sweetie, i know we all want to know etc., but RK knew it was the ants’ house because the media was all over it. i’m not saying RK is innocent… if anything he might have listened Kiomarie’s interview or transcript where she says that is where KC would have put the body…. and i think that was published pretty early on, but not positive
If Roy Kronk read the meter at the abandoned house, he might have seen part of the bag sticking out where Dominic dug, and then dug at the area himself, removed her reamains and placed them on the other side of the road.
TY yellow dog,
I’m in a tizzy right now..but I do have some thoughts on this subject.
If we want to say RK is credible which is a possibility… I’d like to know where’s the public outcry by citizens of Orlando..screaming at LE for messing up this monsterous case?
Where is it? Somebody effed up. Maybe it’s not Kronk…maybe its OCSO.
That’s bullshit that LE didn’t find this baby..she’s only at best 15ft into the woods on a beaten path near a downed tree. Kronk says he’s standing 5 or 6 feet away from the bag, sgt. Cain comes out and slides down into the mud, so he’s miffed, yells at Kronk for bothering LE.
Cain says this area was cleared by LE. Was it??
Here’s a short version of what I think..I think this area was searched and cleared. At some point, in between mid-July when the cadaver dogs were searching the A’s house to the time in late Aug and the 3rd of Sept, Tim Miller attempts to search. What IF TM did find her? But LE says..stop..we cleared this area. Somebody has been here..tells TM to go away b/c they want to watch this area to see if someone comes back. “they always come back to the scene” right?
LE doesn’t want the public to know that it was impossible for Casey to have placed the remains there…it doesn’t fit into their plan of convicting KC.
There’s a deal somewhere with RK. Hes told to come back on Dec 11th when the A’s are in Cali doing the Larry King show.
I think GA was into something too. It may have been GA or LA who either helped KC or was actually the guilty party. MOO
/blam RK…………Fruid slp. I was told they were the same bags
Bella
June 28, 2011 at 5:33 pm
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It’s like Chan in China …. Cohen in Israel ——————
thanks Bella…. what about cruz? is that pretty common as well. curious about KH choice for a alias. btw, GA said today he met her in Oct, middle or something, right. I think her interview she said she started hanging out at the tent real early on… like Aug
Garbage bag found near Caylee’s remains looks too shiny. After 6 months outdoors, a black garbage bag shouldn’t look like new.
perelandra
——————————– Cruz???? RIVER CRUZ — yikes…. don’t think so …
Riley,
Yep I was thinking of you when he said that! It was def. a slip!!!!!!
/blam
perelandra,
check out the sidebar..I’ve looked at brackenwood.
There’s a helluva a lot of info on that house. Check with WS. Someone posted that there was a white flatbed truck parked in the back yard named “Zanny” LOL
This case is a definite “crazy-maker” ..lol
http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/second-look-8718-brackenwood-dr/
Riley,
Yep, it sure was……… and I was thinking of you. I think I posted that earlier.
/blam
good one jbmiss… thanks for sharing… yeah, RK and GA cook up the scheme to get the reward, but wait a minute GA is milking the missing child angle for all he get out it…. I think he wanted to ride that gravy train as long as he could…. sheez… he finally had job he couldn’t be fired from.
i think LE staged/framed KC. Why are they so afraid of the truth comming out? if it does……. then RK is the perfect fall guy, I meam who would believe him after today & his PAST
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Riley I’m with you!
JB
Garcia
Rivera
lopez
(anything ending in EZ actually is common)
all common surnames
cruz
Kronk left until LAST what he did FIRST. He ddin’t tell his story in chronological order. .
Her’e's the correct order:
1. Kronk lifts bag off ground to arm’s length
2. Kronk shakes bag 3 times
3. Kronk sits bag on ground
4. Kronk sees skull on ground
4. Kronk puts stick in eye socket
Here’s the order in which Kronk told his story:
1. Kronk puts stick in eye scoket
2. Kronk lifts bag off ground to arm’s length
2. Kronk shakes bag 3 times
I have to go and entertain my grandson.
Me just loves video games.. :sigh:
So let me say this before I go..lots of people knew there would be an unveiling of Caylee’s remains on Dec 11th.
LP slips up on the NG show Dec 8 or 9 and says “what if they already have a body”?
TM just happens to be in town.
What’s the real reason DC is out prowling thru those woods with a cell phone in his hand?
What’s the real reason JH is video taping DC?
I think it’s to protect DC in case what he’s just finding out is true. He doesn’t want to be the fall guy.
Another thing that stands out to me that says LE knew Caylee was dead..they didn’t look for a live
Caylee EVER. They can lie all they want. They pretended they were searching to please the public.
I believe it’s Nick Savage who’s usual gig is to investigate child porn. (Zuben, help me!) Why is he interested in this case?
In my gut, I think there’s much more to this case than the death of an innocent child.
thanks jbmiss…oops… im so far behind the curve, read your article… nice. The zanny truck is not verified tho, right? read fast, but you didn’t put Kiomarie living next door, did you? KC would have certainly been there a bunch. I was wondering if Kio was related to the nextdoors. Interesting about the drug connection, the legal link is dead, but I guess the got seized in a drug case, not taxes like i had thought…. dang…. this is really, really interesting. Wonder if it was vacant in 6/08. I’ve got to get some ‘real’ stuff done… darn…
Been unable to sit where I could get on my comp but have watch all day. I have a question and I told my Daddy I just hope in the crazy kind of way….
WHAT IF, Vasco number is on Kronks cell records? WOULD THAT NOT BE AWSOME? I have so much racing around in my head. I guess first I need to go and check so maybe my quest have already been anwswered…
Hope everyone is doing great….tty in a bit
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/10/could-zenaida-gonzalez-have-been-code-for-caylee-anthonys-location-and-not-just-a-nannys-name/
Perelandra et al,
I am under the belief that KC did not murder her child. I don’t take this article as fact, but recently one night I was searching and came across this. I don’t know what word I used, but I read this… but what caught my eye was the map at the bottom. I stored it under “conincidence” in my brain until today.
Now, what I am saying is: (opinion)
I believe I heard RK say (and I am sure it was a SLIP, on cross) that he read their metre in the front yard on 8/11 (bec that’s what he was i the area). Now, the jailhouse video was 7/26/08 and everybody in Orlando was saturated w/ this case. So I am wondering, speculating……….. ahhhh, now it’s coming clearer:
now that the video was out, now that his co workers said, “well, this is a good place for a body. or I think that her body is there”…………
like LDB said, were you under the impression that OCSO would ask you to come out and show them the body at night? (no)
the same question for the next day (no). But no question as to what time do you get off from work? 4:30pm Wnhy did you wait til after 9pm to call about finding a skull in this area until after 10pm? and he did it on both days?
?????????????
/blam
So I guess the DT didn’t break Kronk and make him spill his guts. Oh well. But So what.
Kronk raised SERIOUS DOUBT about the integrity of the crime scene. He lifted the skull (or it fell out of the bag) so all that forensic testimony about plants growing into the skull and hair mat for 6 months is BS. Lifting it would likely change the position of the duct tape too — a good reason for the state to not call him as a witness.
If you buy into the theory that it was George who dumped the body, you don’t need to prove the body was moved anyway.
I still think DT NEEDS TO CRACK THE FACADE OF GEORGE THE BIBLE READER. IMO, DT should confront George with the web browser cookies that show 300+ visits to Adult Escort services.
Did you visit these web sites?
Did you meet River Cruz on these web sites? (sure sounds like a show biz name)
Did you bring Caylee with you on any Escort service dates?
If today is the first time Kronk said he lifted the garbage bag, then why did he not say so before?
According to his story today, he saw the bag, lifted it, shook it 3 times, then sat it down.
He did all of that first;’ before he even saw the skull. He didn’t put a stick in the eye socket until last, so why is it when he told his story the FIRST think he talked about doing is putting a stick in the eye socket.
Riley, 5:46pm
I can see it.
JB @ 6:02pm
I can see it. Very scary. Very huge.
somebody placed this child’s remains there to frame KC, no doubt.
To connect the dots: Zenaida and Gonzales.
When did they do this? IDK
Who did it? We have at least 3 possiblities.
RK
GA
LE
or a combo
and just so happens to be in an area that everybody and their brother (an ole southern expression) had searched: TES, 100 searchers and RK just so happened to find it. Nah,
Something is still very rotten in Denmark.
The DT was alluding to the premise/notion tha the body wasn’t even there on 8/13, right?
(and btw, while we are watching this case, I bet you that are at least 40 others one for the same offense (death of a chlid at the hands of a parent/caregiver are going on and we don’t even know about it.)
/blam
I keep thinking about DC on video of searching the woods and abandoned house for Caylees remains while he was talking to the psychic (can’t remember her name) on the phone? Did she direct him there? If so, then could Caylee have been put there for awhile before being placed in the woods? I read somewhere a couple weeks ago not sure where could of been here, a woman reported to the police that she saw a man with a large bag or object crossing the street and going into the woods. Has anyone heard of this?
Kronk went to the trouble of volunteering – twice, that he shook the bag, but never said a word about duct tape on the skull.
So, it’s important for Kronk to say that he shook the bag 3 times, but not important to mention the duct tape.
NO DUCT TAPE ON THE SKULL? WHAT? T
And today for the first time that I know of, we had (out of RK’s own mouth) first hand knowledge that RK was in the Anthony’s front yard on 8/11.
That’s a visual. Might not have been for long, but he said he read the meter in the front yard… and admitted that he knew the media trucks were there. But he didn’t go get them to report the skull to.
My, my……. the man who found the body and called it in for the first time on 8/11 was in the Anthony’s front yard on the morning of 8/11.
I heard that right, right?
/blam
Today is also big bec for the first time (that I know of) we had out of RK’s own mouth) admission/testimony that he was in the Anthony’s front yard on 8/11.
That’s a visual. Might not have been for long, but he said he read the meter in the front yard… and admitted that he knew the media trucks were there. (But he didn’t go get them to report the skull to.)
My, my……. the man who found the body and called it in for the first time on 8/11 was in the Anthony’s front yard on the morning of 8/11.
I heard that right, right?
/blam
Irish, my thoughts are that Caylee was either buried at the abandoned home, where Dominic moved pavers and wood before he began uncovering a black garbage bag; or Kronk moved her there prior to moving her one or more times into the woods.
vg points blam,
As you said, “everybody and their grandma” knew KC said that she felt Caylee was close.
This BS about “meeting RK” there after work really bothers me.
I’d like to see the calls to the TipLine on the evening of Aug 10th when Kronk says he called.
Cmon…everyone in Orlando was looking for Caylee in August 08. How many tips were there claiming to actually have seen a skull within a half mile of the suspect’s home??? Not I think I saw a little girl that looked like Caylee but a call claiming to have found a skeleton!!
There’s no missing child in my neighborhood but I guarantee u if I call 911 right now and say I think I saw a bag with a skull in it..there will be 7 officers at my door ASAP.
They will do everything in their power to get to that bag, that night…not the next day after work!!!
Preposterous!!!
Ok- just wanted to plant a seed. Something to think about. I read alot about this case, but I’m not a “note taker”, though at this point I wish I had been. I read, I think on scaredmonkey, That Krystal Holloways TWIN sister is in jail. When she was booked, the ID she presented was her sisters. NOW, being we all keep getting false Info from the media, do you all think its possible that River Cruz is not Krystal Holloway, but her twin.
Today, on the stand George talked about how she was a very bad person with a bad past, and in an interview Krystal Holloway said she is nothing like her sister who has an extensive criminal past.
Any thoughts?
I know the DT wants us to buy this story that RK was playing games with LE but I’m not too sure at this point.
But I am willing to believe it was the other way around. LE was playing games and RK came along and almost blew their cover.
If Baez wants to take us down this path that GA and RK had a deal of some sorts than he best start putting it together because after today, I didn’t see it. Unless I missed something which is a real possibility.
LOL Yes KMiler…I do have a thought..O.M.G.!!!! Can this case get any more convoluted ???
The thing is..River Cruz and her group of friends are such scam artist that this could be true.
When people have to change their identities than they must have something to hide.
I’m not liking their involvement in this case, at all. Especially after reading what perelandra has found on the Cruz family, Brackenwood drive, Kio Cruz, Gonzalez’s….it’s just weird. IDK!
The defense is creating enough reasonable doubt to clear KA of murder. There’s still the felony child neglect.
I’ve questionned the way the body was found from day 1. All I knew about this case before the trial was that Caylee was missing and how she was found.
RK and GA are sleazes and liars – I believe that either one is capable of doing anything for money. It’s the beginning of the defense’s statement that I can’t get past. Not calling 911 – not reporting the baby missing.
Cindy puts George 1st – Casey 2nd. Her b.s. on that stand will have the jury not believing anything she says. Myself I think Casey looked up chloroform simply because of the boyfriend’s comment on fb.
When did the defense have access to George’s phone records to see the telephone calls to the Vasco number? I am being shocked at how the TD’s are trying so hard to rehabilitate Kronk. The only good thing is the jury is sequestered and can’t be told how to evaluate the testimony of the witnesses.
I don’t know how any reasonable thinking person could buy the story that Kronk found the skull or what he believed 99.99% was a skull and just shrugged it off when the police officer could see it and berated him for calling in the tip. It goes without saying that any reasonable person would have walked the police the 19 ft into the woods/swamp and pointed directly to it.
I am amazed how many TH’s and many in masses can ignore the obvious and come with explanations that border on the absurb.
TRex,
I agree with u. I hate seeing GA with that dang Bible! Who is he trying to fool?
I wish JB could find a way to get those internet cookies into trial. I’d love to see GA squirm while trying to explain those escort sites. If only the State of FL was as interested in the truth as we are, huh?
If they really wanted the truth, they would not have left so many stones unturned. tsk. tsk.
If Casey only weighed about 95 lbs. in June, then I don’t believe it would even be possible for her to carry Caylee in a garbage bag..
II weigh about 120 lbs. My 15 year old dog died a few months ago. He weighed about 45 lbs.
II wrapped him in a blanket and used two garbage bags – one on uppper, and one on lower part of his body, then lay him in a large box, to be buried in the next morning at a pet cemetary.
It was physically difficult for me to put him in the box, and it was even more difficult to move him to the trunk of my car. I could not just lift him up in the box and carry him. I had to move him in the box a foot or so at a time, and had to put a ramp at the car trunk to push him up in the box.
I hope this blows up in cops face!& PT , But it wont if jp keeps ruling the same way
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Remember Riley, JP is a cop’s judge. JP’s father was a cop too.
Jb
George on the stand – He’s slamming RC but he claims he went there to comfort her because she had a brain tumour????
To the poster who said LDB = large dumb blond thank-you. I’m having a hard time remembering all of these initials. I can’t forget those now. Substitute another B word though lol
JA isn’t shaking his head so much past couple of days. Maybe he’s clued in to how stupid he looks to the jury.
I odn’t believe Casey could have carried her in a garbage bag. Dead body weight isn’t the same as carrying a live body.
Test it out – have a child stand or sit in a garbage bag., then try to lift it.
Casey may have been able to drag that much weight in a bag, but I doubt she could carry it, or lift it into/out of a car trunk.
TRex,
every time u mention those escort services, i recall a psychic’s tip to LE..
This person said the child was being harmed but the mother didn’t do anything to stop it.
Was KC an escort? Was that her job? And who was watching Caylee when she was working? Was GA the nanny? It’s so horrible to think about such things but in this case…anything is possible
just a thought…
To Trex & all i have some questions for you guys..I think you all know the answers so I wont have to prowl the internet to find the answers…
1) So the home computer had 300+ hits for escort sites…? I from the links I saw here on this site, It looked like the prowler was looking in on a site where they searched for 1 in california..
during what time frame where the computers records checked? so the months march-august or so?
during this period of time LA wasnt living with the anthony’s or he was?
something is a bit fishy about Nick Savage being incorporated into the case when you all say he’s linked to the child porn task force? do I have that right?
Im kind of confused about the new link you guys are establishing between GA, and the neighbor, his mistress…this zanny?
when I say mistress Im thinking of the chick that he met on the missing children path…
I am hearing a repeat of Kronk where he scolded Mason for being vague and then told him how he needed to ask him more specific questions. He was dismissed subject to recall. I have to think Mason is going to have him back on the stand to ask him few other more specific questions.
I really can see Kronk there with the bag 4ft. in the air with his stick, then calls LE, so 10 minutes later the bag is neatly under a white old piece of wood& the rolling skull has now buried itself. yea thats what happened.. right gotha,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
To jb mission…it would definitely follow the pattern if KC was an esc…but then itd be pretty unlikely that she’d need to steal from her family…but to add to the discusssion, just because someone looks at these sites doesnt mean their actively doing anything with the info…they could be on the sites looking for pleasure..which would explain the 300 hits…that might be boredome prowling the internet
Unlikely Casey could carry a bag that heavy, and if she dragged it there should be rips/tears on the bottom of it.
Are the bottoms of those 3 garbage bags torn up? Only holes I saw were on the sides.
Triple bagging may not have been to conceal odors;; it may have been to make weight in the bag didn’t break the seam on one, or two bags.
Defense needs to call a couple frocery store clerks to attest that they double bag iitmes that are heavy.
Yea jb i knew that…….. big wheels dont like to be embarresed, but to kill a person DP style OMG
I think what is important about Kronk’s testimony is how he admitted tampering with the remains. I’ll bet he was scared sh@#less of the prosecution. I’ll bet any money they used that against him.
But he showed that the duct tape theory is crap. Total crap. Not that we didn’t know that already.
MAC just saw on twitter that Roy Krunk will be back in the courtroom tomorrow. Don’t know how true that is.
Riley – and Kronk want s us to believe that he put a stick in the eye socket of a skull, but didn;t put that stick in the garbage bag?
Kronk put her there, in a bag that he took from the box of garbage bags in his own home.
See the riound hole in the garbage bag photo in evidence? Did Kronk make that hole with his stick, or did rodents do that?
Ann Finnell argues death penalty motion tommorow. Bay9 news has the motion posted on their site. JP to hear it. What’s your take?
FLN or someone else asked a good question though…if we step out of the box of the PT’s theory…and on a lomb of our own, the question of who was watching Caylee when she wasnt with KC, and& what KC was up to where she even needed an alternative babysitter would help guide to find a cohesive theory…
I read at some point someone suggested that GA’s affair may have been either the sister of or the phantom sitter herself..
If the person was a criminal herself, and also an escort as well…& KC perhaps Escorting as well it makes sense she would’ve let them babysit while she was into deviant activity..and wouldn’t want to tell anyone especially not CA…it makes sense that GA may have gone a long with it, & helped to further the stories KC told CA so they sounded more realistic, and were more detailed..in this scenario he would’ve encouraged her to keep lying to her mother…especially if KC knew of the affair..& was a bit more bonded to GA for whatever reasons…
it also makes sense that in this scenario when KC was interviewed by the LE, she was so overly confident she about her lie, if she felt GA the exCop had reinforced a story that “even the LE wouldnt question”..if an accident did occur and KC was some how told by GA to let him handle it, she may have just used the lie that GA had reinforced all these years…It should be considered, KC had little time when she was interviewed by LE to create a lie on the spot..
if I understood right they came to her house that night, and by the next day she was sitting @ the Universal in that office..
Hole in the sshorts appears to be the same size as the hle in garbage bag photo.
The garbage bag in photo next to skull is NOT a garbage bag that has been under water/mud/dirt for 6 months.
That’s Kronk’s garbage bag.
Bella,
The computer Adult Escort services cookies span from 8/8/2007 to 7/16/2008 basically evenly distributed across that time span. I am guessing on the number as 300+ (not exact tho, I didn’t feel like counting). And I agree. I would not rule out that GA involved a very young KC in the Escort services for pedophile clients.
If you look at the cookie file, it jumps out at you. I did not have to search hard to find those cookies. LE definitely ignored it. In fact, I wouldn’t surprise me is Perry says IRRELEVANT if the DT raises it as evidence. That’s his job in this trial apparently — preventing DT from putting on a defense.
Sam imoo their whole case is crap , Always was & they knew it, They thought JB was stupid
Bella have you read very many of my & others posts. HUH?
I had questioned before- Does anyone agree that Casey’s actions the 31 days Caylee was missing, was because she was not aware that she was dead?
I think we are on to something with the abandoned house, and Kio-marie. Also did anyone think about what I offered earlier (i know there are tons of posts to read and keep up with, alot of ours get read over) about does anyone think Maybe George is not Lee and Caseys Bio father? Maybe her REAL father molested her, and Lee maybe had some issues due to that? I know Molesters dont have any “signature look” I just can’t see any sign from George or the rest of the family that he is a molester. I cant see CA staying by him, she just seems too intellegent and assertive to be in that sort of denial.
Also, who in that neighborhood has the last name “GEORGE” there is some one, I believe his mother is a psychic. This might have been covered already, maybe I missed it.
JB @ 6:41pm
Thanks and exactly!
What’s up here! Also, I was thinking and this is really sick …………
you know Orlando has benefitted in a perverse way from this trial. I mean, the economy has. Hotels, meals, you name it. Now even a KC Anthony tour……. it’s all sick, but it is dollars to the local economy.
So, if you investigated and found out that KC didn’t do it, and that the duct tape was applied by a no name XXX person for yyy reason, and the thrill of the media hype is gone, then who loses? Orlando, bec all the media go away. end of story and end of $s.
Do you think that there could have been such a sinister conversation such as this at thehighest levels to make sure that the media hype continues?
???
/blam
I will bet money RK has been watching this trial And has seen pictures of the bags,So why would he say he held them in the air? Maby CM should ask all about what the scene looked like when LE got there, befor they ran him off??????????????
Showing jurors an animated gif of smiling Caylee morphing into a skull while her mom remained smiling is one of the most reprehensible and prejudicial acts the prosecution and judge engaged in.
I
TRExX thanks for the answer..let me explain I dont think I was clear …1st off what I was thinking was more so that KC COULD possibly have been out there as an escort…thats entirely possible…as far as GA’s involvement Id say he may have covered for her, and that perhaps anyone of the ladies he cheated on his wife with were in the same profession…or some other type of miscreant behavior…as a result, KC perhaps COULD’ve been likely drop the baby off with these type while she was working or whatever…& the 2 of them had a mutual agreement not to tell…If KC was making $ that way it COULD be possible that she was giving a bit here and there to GA, but tired of the whole thing when she found a new boyfriend or whatever..
but IMHO unless you saw something SPECIFICALLY relating to child abuse, the sites I saw thus far that were listed here on JB are NOT sites where anyone would be able to find a child…well let me say someone under 18… so if GA was the guilty party, Id say he was MORE likely bored, and perhaps in need of visual stimuli prowling the web for visual pleasure…
thus the volume and as well the diversity of the sites…
abusers are as compartmentalized in their behavior as much as the victims, in that respect the ones who’d have interest in an ADULT BDSM site, wouldn’t be have interest in CHILDREN..
also I have to consider perhaps Lee was the 1 hitting the sites..?
KMiller, George does have many traits of a molester. The way he will so easily throw others under the bus. It’s always someone else’s fault.
I really don’t think that it’s just a claim. It’s not an easy claim to make and most people treat you like a leper after you make it.
Does anyone know how old Krystal Holloway is? George is what, 50?
Just read your post Riley, you asked if Id read any of yours or others’ posts?
are you asking this in response to something Ive posted?
Kmiller,
You should ask GasCanGeorge about George. He has followed his doings since 2008.
I can say, a relative (a father) was caught molesting his 3 sons. I was shocked. I had no clue. Even now I don’t know of any behavior that should have tipped me off. The only thing was the kids were not well behaved — they got in trouble a lot and did not do well in school.
After that happened, I never rule it out.
Riley, good points. Kronk “volunteered” that he held the bags up. He said it twice, although he was never asked whether he held the bags up.
He wanted the jurors to know that he held the bags up, and that the skull did not fall out, or “roll out”.
Does he want jurors to believe the skull was on the ground all along, covered up by the bags?
Why didn’t the prosecutors call Roy Kronk to testify about duct tape on the skull?
Bella,
Yes. There are lots of possibilities including the ones you listed. We’ll never know because LE did not investigate.
My top 2 guesses are:
1) George hooking up with local escorts (is this where his money troubles came from, it’s expensive. source of Cindy threat to divorce?)
2) George acting as pimp for Casey who was an Escort (how was she getting money if she wasn’t working?)
bella i been sayin a long time i thought GA came up /w zanny story 2 yrs prior ect,
T Rex…i agree with your sentiment…abusers dont have a common face…what they share in comomn are personality traits..sometimes..there is nothing that would necessarily distinguish them from anyone else in the world…CA being intelligent is by no means and indicator of wether she’s an enabler or not… its a horrible, horrible crime perpetrated on the most innocent victims…&sadly it WOULD warp a persons capacity to cope with death.. If we accept that GA did indeed abuse KC as a child youd have to think the 1 person on the planet that KC could safely know UNCONDITIONALLY loved her without pain, would be her precious daughter..as Im writing this I can also say as it comes to mind some of the most sadistic abusers have been known to hurt the very thing their victims love the most, so imbed fear so deeply in the subconcious to control the victims ability to EVER speak out should they ever find the courage to do so…
so there’s a lot in their household making me EXTREMELY wary of what COULD’ve happened to whom in that house
like their child hood pets, or…..I wont speculate further because the thought of it all is horribly disturbing..also unreported cases involving abusers in LE occur..they have access to resources, fit the controlling personality type, and know how to commit the crime undetected…
something that replays itself in my mind in this case, is the fact that KC never saw a gynecologist prior to pregnancy but was the daughter of a nurse.. I did read however, that someone here corrected me saying that KC did see an obstetrician prior to the birth of Caylee, but thats not the same…
I think GA could have been looking to buy property for back taxes maby, and learned the names zinada & gonzaliz ect
if you are very far behind on property taxes in fl , some,,anyone can buy it and the owner has lost it before they realize it,,
Riley, took awhile but I figured out the reason for Roy Kronk’s “I can hold a garbage bag up” drama, played twice.
He wants it known that when he handled the bags, nothing heavy was inside . The bag was so light-weight that he could hold it up high and shake it.
Skeletal remains, he’s saying – not a heavy body. It was a HEAVY bag when he carried it before, but is light-weight now.
i did see a truck in bk. yard of abandoned house/w zanny wrote on door. looked like old broke down truck
To riley…im sorry sweetie…I feel like 1 of those cadaver dogs, without a handler…there are all of these scents (theories) I follow this theory that theory…..I see a new theory snap I follow that,also some of the DETAILS of the theories I lose track of..so 5 days later I get the jist, and realize what someone was making saying & how the pieces fit, by then you guys are off to another part Ive missed… (I think I may be the slow 1 in the bunch) LOL…._______________________________
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.so if you did say that Zanny was George’s mistress before & I missed it..I know I read something somewhere on this blog, and thats where I got the info….
I think Im blending a lot of what I read that sounds right…but the problem is Im having a hard time with the characters…Also I havent read ALL of the evidence files…so some of these folks I only know a bit about…like the Grunds, or George & whoever Kristal is..or Krystal.. river, or cruz or rivera, or someone who owns a ponticac or not…lmao
the guy on the corner who is the cousin of the owner of the sawgrass apartments…or whatever..& ( IM being a bit far fetched at this point for giggles)…..
Also these LYING folks on the stand..I know I read the interview of 1 guy who said 1 thing…next thing you know he’s on the stand..by the time he’s done I dont know what just happened?)
I REALLY hope the jury gets a nice, condensed, sequential package of the case, so it makes better sense to them…
It occurred to me today that if CA is found not guilty the state is going to be in line for a very big $$$$$ suit against them for false arrest and improper investigation. JA knows this and he is, as far as I have observed, keeping a very low profile in front of the jury, because he knows that he has lost them with his bitchiness.
To TRex…well as I think about what Ive read from the case, although that sounds like a conclusion that can be made I wont say I think KC was or GA was putting her out there like that..it is possible,but if she were LE would’ve totally found that info & exploited it as soon as they found out…there wouldve been a trail on the hard drive of either the laptop or the PC, unless GA had his own laptop the LE couldnt access..& even still I dont think KC wouldve been able to cover that up…not that I think it isnt possible I just dont think its probable…
bella go bk. and watch video of PI’s searching around old house check out old truck above
Riley,
In your humble opinion, do you think there is a connection between GA and RK? I am curious to know what you think, one transplanted Va to a planted Va…………..
What does your instinct tell you about that?
/blam
Nan @8:26pm,
Good point, and he has been relatively quiet today, I just feel that the majority of the jury can not relate to him.
/blam
See, he wasn’t asked – he volunteered the details about holding the bag up, shaking it. That’s because those details are significant to HIM.
Significant to him becasue at one time the bag WAS HEAVY when he lifted it up.
Kronk’s finger prints wold have been on the bag, and that is a reason for Kronk to explain why his prints are on the bag, but no one questioned him about his prints being on the bag.
Kronk volunteered the details about picking the bag uip and shaking it.
Kronk even smiles when he talks about lifting the bag, as though he is elated.
Why is Kronk so happy about being able to kift the bag up and shake it?
BECAUSE he can now safely call police and lead them to her remains. She’s now so light-weight – no heavy body – just remains.
No DNA oto link him to her body.
I am playing catch-up on taped testimony today. Watching LDB cross examine Roy Cronk asking all these questions about “you didn’t have access to….” i.e. The Anthony’s home, the garage, the computer, the inside of the house etc. Every time the DT objected as to those questions being outside of the scope of the direct examination or relevance – JP overruled the objections! I can guarantee you if the DT had done this type of questioning they would NOT have been allowed to do that! Why, why, why does that judge do this? I have seen it so many times in this trial. How can someone watch this trial and not see the bias in his rulings? It is sooo obvious!
Sam- please let me be more clear. I don’t doubt claims of abuse, I stated in my post, I realize molesters don’t have a “signature look”, meaning I know people who are evil, most of the time you would never suspect, looks at Ted Bundy. Fortunately, I have never been a victim of abuse, so I would never judge.
I have had two close friends who have been victims of abuse. The way they handled was two completely different ways. One still maintains a relationship with her father, who I met twice. She even allows him around her Daughter. The other friend does not like being alone in the same room with her father.
With all that said, I doubt George being a molester because of the actions of the family, especially Cindy, do not seem to support it. I just think CA seems too assertive and intellegent to be a “stand by my man” type of woman. I DO NOT rule it out, thats why I question if George is Casey and Lee’s biological father. Does anyone have any idea, or heard any thing that could support that theory. REMEMBER- In opening statements, JB does not say George molested her, he says “her father” molested her. Is George her real father???
My Father has never harmed a hair on me in any way, but if someone wanted to, they could easily find traits in him that they believe to resemble a sexual abuser.
So Sam I would like to Humbley remind you that molesters/ sexual abusers do not have any “signature traits”.
There are three reasons I know of that people do extremely well in jail.
1. They don’t adjust well to society’s expectations, life is easier in jail.
2. It is safer in jail.
3. Innocent, wrongfully incarcerated.
Casey is more than just incarcerated. She is confined 23 hours a day in a cell that is smaller than some people’s closet. That Casey never eventually showed signs of having been too confined for too long during the last 3 years (no fresh air, no sunlight, no freedom to interact, play a game of cards with other inmates, not allowed to do anything resembling living other than to take a shower and read) seems very unnatural. The people I know of that fit reason number 1, showed signs of deviant behavior from childhood, entering the system early in life, at least before adulthood. They usually re-offend if they are released.
I believe Casey fits number 2 better than 1 and could easily fit number 3.
I see some new faces each time I have time to read. Welcome all.
Since I have listened to all Kronk’s calls, read all his statements, it is very easy to spot all his lies. They didn’ task Melich about the suggestion to not take it to the media or tell about the August calls either, did they? The same with Joe Jordon, obvious he was lying. I wonder why they didn’t go into who Churchill is and how he would know the right spot, or point out it was not 45′ in as Jordon was told, to get him to take back his original statement. That poor jury, just trying to sort all this mess out.
TES crew leader was of no help; he seemed to just be trying to protect himself.
Hi JB thanks for this blog you are doing. I feel the same way I felt like screaming today watching all the bias opinions. I mean even if she is guilty, people don’t seem to look at anything with a critical eye. I hope the jury can. I would hate to be in the hot seat when there are so few free and rational thinkers left in the world.
Anyhow, I was wondering if you could enlighten me with your thoughts on something’s that are bothering me and I am sorry if they are repetitive.
Why do you think Mason did not question Kronk about his deposition? From what was reported on channel 6 they stated in the depo that Kronk states he dropped the skull.
And it doesn’t look as if Jesse Grunds depo will make it in. Why isn’t the defense allowed character witnesses?
Not only did the FBI question the skull and the tape, but in emails someone wanted to have the stain in the trunk enhanced through computer tech. as they felt it was an outline of a child in the fetal position.
And last I have a real issue with the duct tape. Where are the pictures when they found her in the woods? Will we ever be allowed to see them? Are we really to believe that tape will be sticky after sitting in months of water and after her face decayed yet it somehow re-stuck itself to the bones more importantly the mandible perfectly holding it together?
I can’t be the only one who finds this a bit insane and I am not a Dr or a medical examiner nor do I watch CSI, just someone who has common sense and reason.
to Riley…i take your word for the truck.. that says Zanny.. its weird hmmm a bit to digest
/blam RK &GA could have hooked up in many many ways . they are both ……….. probally at work or when RK comes by to read meter RK is new to fl & GA is x cop they chat bla bla bla
to Zuben…what do you mean when you refer to folks doing well in jail?
Like maybe the fact that KC hasnt flipped out or whatever? is she still in protective custody…& the jail she’s in is max security Id assume right?
Does anyone remember where the Anthony’s moved to FL from and how old Casey was when they moved?
To Kmiller…I thought Ohio..but when mmm?
JB Mission- I have an Idea about something not related to this case. Is there any way to contact you privately?
Law enforcement has proven to be sloppy and lax during the investigative process in their refusial to focus on anyone other than CA. There is a very bad smell from there all the way up to the prosecutors and these are the real reasons for wanting CA to be convicted and gotten out of the way via the death penalty.
There is so much so wrong with this picture.
Casey is very adaptable. . The cliche “making lemonade from lemons” comes to mind.
Riley,
my prob is still w/ the body. disposing of the body/ ????????
/blam
NAN>>>>so true…totally true…its crazy
HEY RK said the SNAKE was dead . Did snake have heart attack. Who killed the dam snake?
KMiller,
IIRC, Lee was 7 years old when they moved to Florida.
Perry will refuse to allow the next 6 witnesses for the defense allowing JA to go for a quick guilty verdict from a jury that is screaming to get out of there and go home.
Nan- you are SSSSSOOOOOO right! I have said before that I truly believe someone is trying too hard to keep this all under raps. I suspect someone needs to look at LE and find out who knows who in relation to this case. I truly believe this case has already been solved, but the right people don’t know yet.
GA takes body in his pt cruiser”car to meet RK then RK keeps until…… then places to finish frame IMHO dear/blam heheheha
I haven’t had time to catch up but from some of what I read I gathered that the “meat of the matter” is trying to connect one person to another if possible. I just wanted to say from my own experience, the easiest was to do this is through Civil records. Another thing I have found and don’t shoot me for being biased but it is common for the hispanic community, especially immigrants to allow their under-age or unlicensed children to drive. They usually get a slap on the wrist but within the documents they will state their parent or family member who has accompanied them to court.
All public record. I used this method to connect family members during the Satsuma/Putnam County shoot-out between the Espinozas and LE. By the time the actual news had a story posted I already knew who the shooters were, where they lived, whether they owned property, who their relatives were. Where the relatives lived, any criminal records or arrest for all. etc. I also had the name & address, marital record of the UC. LOL
River Cruz, could be
River = BOat given to GA by Kidfinders
Cruz = Cruise GA & CA went on?
Personally I think she got her AKA from someone she wanted to emmulate:
http://images1.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/River-Tam-firefly-1183658_1280_1024.jpg
http://www.eaboutyou.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Penelope-Cruz-2.jpg
Of course we all know that Penelope Cruz found massive stardom as the “other woman”
in Tom Cruise & Nicole Kidman’s marriage/divorce.
Nan,
Exactly……… agreed.
/blam
RK and his two coworkers found the rattlesnake far more important than whether or not RK had actually spotted a skull, even though there was a ton of media right around the corner. All three of them had their priorities messed up, unless, of course, the other two thought RK was full of bologna. What is more important, a child that has been missing from right around the corner for almost 2 months, with a coworker claiming he could see a skull, or a dead snake? This fascination with the snake was after they had been discussing what a good area these woods would be for someone to hide a body, and then RK takes a leak, sees a skull, and its dead snake time.
RK and Deputy RC both had their priorities totally messed up, in light of the fact that RK thought he was seeing a skull, and the Anthony home was right around the corner, and a little girl had been missing for nearly 2 months. Ask yourself this question, and answer it honestly. If you were in this situation, and you were 99.999% certain you were seeing a skull, would you have let deputy RC walk away from that area without making sure you were wrong? Seriously, would you, even if he made you mad? Really, would you leave the area, when you were 99.999% sure it was a skull? You would not go in there 8 ft past the woodline and point to the skull? Really, you wouldn’t? The media was right around the corner, the posters were everywhere, it was on the news every night, and you have not one but two officers in the area, one of which was less than 6 ft from the skull and you would really let them walk away, even after you had made not one, not two, but three calls to get the officers there? As my 9 year old granddaughter would say, “that just makes no plain sense to me.”
So which story of RK’s are we to believe? Did the skull roll out? NO NO NO that was a mistake. He picked up the bag 4 ft off the ground, and when the bag shifted, he looked down and lo and behold the skull was there at his feet. He then took his meter stick and put it in the eye socket and tilted it upwards to make sure it was a skull. It didn’t drop out of the bag, it didn’t roll out of the bag, it was not stuck in the mud, it was just there at his feet after he lifted the bag and felt the bag shift. OK that is the one we need to believe.
Not taking into account all the other times RK misspoke in his interviews and depositions, and not taking into account the calls to his kid (by the way he at one point today said he hadn’t talked to his kid since he was 8 years old, but then later said he talked to his kid 10 to 15 times from August to December, yet another misspeak I guess), not taking into account the horror stories his exes have told, based only on what RK said in testimony today, he misspoke several times, he messed with the skull on Dec 11th, his friends find dead snakes more important than skulls, and LE was within six feet of Caylee’s remains in mid August, all they had to do was see what RK could see.
Regardless of what the TH’s are saying, today had to raise some reasonable doubt in this case.
As always, my entire post is my opinion only.
KMIller,
IIRC, Burdick questioned Cindy about when they came to Florida (80′s, IIRC, ). Lee had attended school in Ohio, but Casey was not of school age.
Kmiller, I think I understand better. No need to humbly remind me. I was a victim of incest. Actually, had four different sexual abusers by the time I was twelve. Because I was so young, I have no idea if they knew of each other and what each other was doing.
What I do know is that society, as a whole, makes it very easy to blame the victim.
I also disagree that there aren’t characteristic traits of an abuser. There are. Denying it happened is probably number one.
RK lives in dif. county,,,,, right,,, far away /blam
Hey Riley- Maybe you are onto something here with this snake!! Why would a diamond back rattlesnake be just lieing there dead? Did it get hit by a car? I doubt it, it was in the grass.
Last night someone said Kronk had the rattler in his freezer, and JP sent it off for an autopsy. Any thoughts to add anyone???
Blam;
Also I wanted to say sorry forany confusion I may have caused. Yesterday I liked a photo that showed the remains site with the houses label and it appears they were mislabeled long ago (not by me). So sorry if I threw things off.
Kmiller
I’m thinking the “connections” are right in our faces. All one has to do is look at Jesse’s application to OSCO. He lists a political figure as a personal reference……
Riley,
Tks for that……….. now one more question: was it there in August? or that was a ruse? If yes, he takes it bk somewhere and stores it until the right time (when it will be worth more $ for the reward?) and puts it bk waiting for the next meter reading time?
/blam
Riley,
P.S. : I wondered who killed the snake too?
Ok hold the phone…… RK could see a DEAD snake (non-moving, non-threatening, SILENT) in all the vegetation but not Caylee’s remains? While they were picking up the snake, RK & co-worker, why didn’t RK point to Caylee’s skull and ask him “What do you think?”
BUSTED!!!
Sam- I do recall you shareing your experience of abuse. thats why I felt it necessary to explain further. Again, since I am not a victim, or an expert, I wanted to make sure I didn’t come off as discounting any claim of abuse.
If any of my children ( 4 boys) ever made any such claim, I would take action imediately, no questions asked. Again, Im sorry for your experience, and even more sorry if anyone victimized you further by doubting your claims.
Not to mention OCSO wouldn’t want NE OF THER OWN or even someone previously ONE OF THEIR OWN involved in this case. Too bad. Several have been taken out of the “game” over this case already. More to follow…..
Sam> Im sorry for your experience.. re: characteristic traits ( I think Im the 1 that said it)…I mean physical traits..like being able to look at someone and tell from face value wether their an abuser or not.. & Id agree they all share denial..
& again Im sorry for your experience..I truly HATE, HATE, that crime…hate it…
do all judges hold JA hand and help at every turn/w ruling. So JA is just stupid.
I do not believe that Casey had the physical strength to bag a 3-year old’s body, lift it into her trunk, and then carry it 20 feet into the woods.
If she dragged the body to her car , struggled to lift it in, then dragged it 20 or more feet into the woods over pebbles, stones and twigs, there would be scratches, rips and tears on the bags.
The bags found with Caylee’s remains are almost new lookng, and I’ve only seen one small hole, which couldhave been made with Roy Kronk’s stick.
I know adults who had fathers who molested them. In one case all the brothers followed suit. The mothers in both cases pretended not to notice. As these two victims grew older and into middle age they began then and continue now to speak of their fathers as wonderful parents as if they have completely forgotten what they have said about them.
Most abused children truly want the love of their parents. They often completely block the abuse at some point.
I have worked with victimized children as well as having knowing adults who were victims.
Sadly, CA fits the profile.
It has occurred to me that in some cases a mother may consider death of a child to be better than danger of abuse by a family member.
In any case, it is true that Caylee Anthony is no longer in danger of being victimized by her dysfunctional family.
Riley,
RK lives in Osceola County and this happened in Orange county. I don’t think it’s that far… because I heard them mention Kissimmee, which is close to Orlando, maybe 15 miles, something like that.
/blam
also nan…Id have to say as well..if KC hasnt found any way of therapeutically working through her abuse, on the stand, then back to her cell is absolutely 1 of the most horrific ways for her to have to deal with it…
an awful scenario…
so, although she may be deemed mentally competent…in front of a crowd of strangers, yeh..
& also after the PT grills her…
It frightens & disurbs me just thinking about it…
It was stated today that RK was only 40 minutes from his home when at the discovery site.
/blam maby RK figured GA was going to get rich” media tour, books,, movies, ect. and put it in GA bk. yard to get GA in hot water and free kc. IDK. Ifeel it was there when RK said in aug. then took bk. then placed again is why RK has so many stories…….. IMHO
All the story changes in all the key players are evidence of lying.
HGM,
Actually, I got that info re the names of the occupants/residents/owners of 4701 and 4709 off of another website. I was just doing some google search one night, and somehow I read that article and thought it was a wild coincidence. Now, I don’t.
KC knew her calls were taped while she was in jail, for sure, but she never imagined that the calls and videos were being shown locally to everyone, let alone nationally (and probably beyond, bec of CNN and Fox). She had no idea of that, for sure.
/blam
Bella, Riley and Omar,
I think that we are on the same page.
Bella, 2 CO at the jail, one being a supervisor, testified that Casey is a model inmate. She always wears a smile, even when being woke up out of a dead sleep. The female officer said the only time she wasn’t happy and smiling is when she cried a couple of times. I’m sure we can guess when she witnessed that. It is weird that someone held in solitaire would be able to be happy ALL the time. It would drive most crazy. Her cell is quite small and she is only let out maybe an hour a day and only when no one else is in the area. She showers and that’s about it. She may get a little tv too. But if other inmates are being walked through she has to be put back in her cell so there is no contact. When she had visitation with her parents there were a couple of times they had to interrupt, move her back until someone passed through, then she could return.
The body hunter dog may have killed the snake or maybe they drove over it. Just kidding. It wasn’t Kronk that froze the snake though. It was David Dean, as testified to today. How is that for not fair. Kronk got $15,000 for Dean’s snake.
Night all.
I also have a great concern about the abandoned house being so conveniently located for RK.
HGM,
Was RK on probation for that kidnapping charge? w/ his girlfriiend from SC?
/blam
I’m not sure but I’m happy to look into it.
I have to believe that the jury is thinking about all this and also wondering why they have been denied knowledge of so many hours of testimony.
Good night, everyone.
/blam I felt pretty bad yesterday. I’m back to old self today raising hell at TH’s ect…..heheheheheh
Zeuben,
Yeah, I was thinking about that when he mentioned it was in his freezer. RK got the money for the picture (I thought it was 10K) and it was in the other guy’s freezer.
/blam
Good night Zuben…thanks for the reply …Im sure KC is model…being isolated from everyone else is a a good thing..(I think) trutfully she may have had friends who dabbled a bit..but Im confident KC doesnt have A LOT of exposure to the type of folks in jail …if she had to interact with those folks like if she were in a dorm style jail…I can guarantee itd be a whole nother story…Im sure she finds solace in being isolated away from those folks..& Im sure she’s definitely all smiles…(she probably cries in her sleep) which would explain the DARK DARK circles under her eyes …Im sure she sees the power those guards have over hers & everyone else’s reality..they can be EXTREMELY aggressive if need be to control the folks locked down…all of that to say the isolation may be mind numbing, but its waay better than direct interaction with diagnosed & convicted pyscho & socio paths…
& also KC is in her cell awake hours from maybe 6pm till 10 pm…so far cuz of the case…so she has a bit of a dilluted experience…versus the folks that end up locked up in prisons, exposed to a diverse array of criminal personalities…
So my long drawn out point is ..KC hasnt been in prison yet…so its hard to gauge a response…
3.oneredrose says:
November 20, 2009 at 2:54 pm
I think Roy Kronk kept going back to that spot because he knew he saw somthing that was not right. Remember that Deputy Richard Cain was fired after an internal investigation found his response to Roy Kronk’s phone calls in August to be negligent. Deputy Cain first said that he ripped open the plasitc bag that Mr Kronk pointed to and it contained leaves. Then several hours later Deputy Cain changed his story and admitted that he did NOT tear open any garbage bags and that he did NOT venture all the way into the woods.
http://www.rosespeaks.com/2009/11/20/roy-kronk%E2%80%93-abusive-husband-and-bragged-to-son-a-month-before-he-found-caylee-anthony%E2%80%99s-body/
Nan, you said it so well. Actually, there is research showing that sometimes sons will act out the abuse or dreams of abuse that the father may be having. So I see Lee as a possible victim here, too.
Of course nobody wants to admit incest is going on. I have a theory that is part of the reason behind the lynch mob.
Casey seems to have this constant need to please or put on a happy face. That is typical, too. And the way she slept with Caylee in her room – as if she was protecting her.
I have a hard time seeing how Kronk managed to pick up the Anthony route on the first day he called authorities (not 911) , when they found the snake.
14.sassymary says:
November 23, 2009 at 1:34 am
How convenient that Kronk worked (prowled) this neighborhood giving him the best opportunity to abduct a small child. He lingered in the woods regularly to urinate they said. Thats creepy in itself. He was insistent that he saw something 4 times, when Texas Equasearch couldnt find anything. Maybe the childs body was left for so long to keep DNA samples to a minimum. Now they say theres a needle with testosterone in it, what would Casey need with that? I just refuse to believe, no matter what lies Casey has told, that she murdered her own child. She has lied to cover up being neglectful, allowing Caylee to somehow fall into Kronks hands. Her family is another thing, I think George is the only one with a clear head. Cindy seems to lie like Casey, and Lee seems to take off to avoid involvement. Casey suffers from immaturity, and Cindy forcing her to have a child that she did not want, doesnt mean that Casey disposed of her. I think that Kronk has avoided scrutiny for long enough. He reminds me of an arsonist, returning again and again to the scene of the crime, and when he is not recognized as the hero , he makes sure that he eventually is in the spotlight.
*****
Wll said with the exception of thoughts on George.
Even though court papers filed by Anthony’s attorneys say Kronk should be a suspect, Baez said, “We’ve never pointed the finger at him.”
He called Kronk a critical witness: “We believe he should have been looked into.”
Asked about what connection there could be between Kronk and Caylee, Baez replied, “That’s nothing that we’re going to discuss at this time. We’re going to bring it out in court.”
http://www.realitychatter.com/t1920-defense-wants-roy-kronk-investigated
D Advocate:
Kronk’s co-worker said that when they got back to the truck with the snake, he [paraphrased] didn’t believe Kronk was serious about seeing a skull because Kronk said no more about it after pointing out the snake to them.
Re: Kronk standing there, letting the cop berate him for 1/2 hour:: Kronk says that is what occurred in August when he reported something he thought “might be something” in the woods.
Yes – I would have walked over to the area to find out what I think “might be something” is
Kronk cites the cop’s berating him as his reason for not returning to the site until Dec. 11.
HGM…yes I agree re: Kronk…I dont agree re: George
Roy Kronk’s son is from Ohio? Isn’t that interesting. A possible connection to GA?
I also included the whole listing because I wanted everyone to see what extent haters are willing to go to wityh this case. The information posted on that page is all about Roy’s accusers
including his son & appears to be information that is not available to the general public (DL info etc)
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KRONK,BRANDON L
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Jul 26 2004
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http://humbleopinionforum.net/kronk-klan/
I am so far behind today! Work is getting in the way of watching the most important part of this trial! Thank you all for keeping me updated. My family is lucky that I stop reading posts to make them dinner!
From the little I saw today, GA’s chair time made me think – hmmmm – what the h*ll was all your squirming about? Getting a little too close to the truth Georgie?
Side note: I have given up trying to talk to people about this case who believe all the bull from our wonderful news outlets. It’s like beating my head against a wall – so with that said – I am SO thankful you all are here!
Nan; perfectly stated. TY.
HGM, Omar, Riley and others,
I don’t know about y’all but down here in sunny MIA, we have weekends. So what about all the weekends (Sat. and Sun. ) that RK could have taken off and gone bk there to report again what he actually saw? No, he waits til Dec / 4 months and one Hurricane later, to go bk to the same spot and miraculously find the remains there, where they had been.
If he is such a good samaritan, as these other THs want to claim that he is, why didn’t he take one of those days off, and go bk and call the authorities and wait for them to respond, and if they wouldn’t listen to him, get the media right around the corner, who would gladly come and film the search for the potential exclusive that they would be the first channel w/ the finding of the missing Caylee. but no, he didn’t do that.
There’s more going on here w/ Mr. RK.
So if he lying to protect GA. Bec they have some sort of wicked deal. If you do this, I will give you percentage of this/movie . Bec if RK falls, then Ga is not far behind, bec he will be signing like a canary. So, he is protecting. he is protecting GA bec in him he sees $s.
As always this is my opinion only. Just speculation.
/blam
Keeping, Me too. It’s like a support group for disbelievers..LOL
HGM,
I am going to read it thoroughly, but the FIRST thing that popped out was Ohio. Bingo, that’s where our GA and CA are from. Wow. I’m bk to reading the list. Just had to say that.
Ty,
/blam
blam, sounds very possible to me. I am curious about the Ohio connection. Maybe they have more in common the just the lust for money?
Google map showing the distance between Warren Ohio, where George was once a sheriff’s dept. to Galloway Ohio where Roy Kronk’s son Brandon lives.
183 miles apart. Akron & Columbus potential meet points. I will dig further.
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Warren,+Ohio&daddr=Galloway,+OH&hl=en&sll=39.913118,-83.162412&sspn=0.017874,0.045276&geocode=FTU8dQIdD88u-ynvY-RABGAxiDFcSsPY9FiMYQ%3BFZ4GYQId1AoL-ymBqPAuKZo4iDGQqlBhX7z9UQ&mra=ls&z=8
Riley,
I map quested it and it’s 23.25 miles from RK’s house to 4701 Hopespring… approx. 35 min. drive.
/blam
Why is the defense – when they have stated their “case” – always reminded that they are not allowed to ask any questions that are “not relevent” (i.e. to the prosecutions case}? They have things that go directly to their opening statement that they need to bring in but are not allowed to because it is not “relevent”. I don’t understand the reasoning for this. Anybody know the answer?
Noni;
I don’t understand all of it but what I get is that the DT can not introduce ANY evidence that doesn’t stem directly from the PT. THe evidence the PT questions witnesses or experts about is usable by the DT to cross or add evidence. THey can not introduce evidence that has not been covered by the PT or directly stem from that evidence/testimony.
Noni; It’s Chess at it’s finest…lol
I am going to have tea party /w Grandaughters.. well 3 of them be bk soon
Good Evening Everyone…hope all of you had a great day.
I noticed several comments up there was discussion about the remains, and LE not doing their job (as usual). Anyway, I have a LE bone/story for you. Totally off the subject of KC but still about how lazy LE is here.
About a year ago, after I bought my house my dogs were always wanting to dig under the cement patio. Funny, don’t dogs normally dig around fences to get out of the yard? Anyway my labradoodle comes running up to me one day and he has something in his mouth. So I’m playing tug of war with my dog over what looks like a human hip bone. After I realize what I think I grabbed out of my dog’s mouth I take it inside and inspect it…yup pretty sure it’s a human hip bone. I get a couple of other opinions, and decide that I’m going to call up LE (here in Orlando) and report it because I don’t want anyone to think I dumped a body in the backyard. Well 5 cops show up, I hand them the bone in a bag, and none of them know if it’s human or not…okay fair enough. Well they want to leave it here, they don’t write a report, and when I called to follow up nobody knows what I’m talking about. My dog has found a few other bones since, and there was also a nasty looking knife buried in the backyard as well. So honestly I think somebody is buried in my backyard, but LE doesn’t care.
If Roy Kronk was deceiving everytime he smacked his lips today, then he has been in the Anthony’s home.
Maybe their home in Ohio, maybe their home in Florida. He did an incredible amount of lip-smacking today.
I’m going to watch his testimony again, and note the questions he lip-smacks an answer to.
/blam thats far enough, An inch, good as a mile
“Kronk said in a statement issued to Local 6 News that the kidnapping involved a domestic situation with a man who was living with his former girlfriend.
“As a result of that confrontation, I was arrested based on false allegations that I had kidnapped my former girlfriend,” Kronk said. “I chose to disclose this arrest and the expungement of the records because I had nothing to hide, and (I) have a personal policy of openness and honesty about events in my life.”
Click Orlando article Jan 09 2009
Melzy, Please go over their heads and maybe contact the FBI.
That JP knows all the appeals will take 20 yrs. the heat will die down after guilty verdict, these LE will retire, Yep i got the picture now
Melzy,
hey, haven’t seen you in a while. Enjoyed the patio story. What I think you are saying is:
LE went through the motions for a missing child. However, the mother lied, we checked as far as we could this story re ZG, no luck. Mother lied, must be her. Arrest her. done.
And now that it’s been shown what a sloppy (or shoddy) job they did w the investigation, they all have to close ranks, bec after all, this is Disney town, and we can’t have shoddy police work here. Who will come to visit Orlando if they think their children are not safe.
KC, you lied, KC you’re it. Over and out.
They underestimated JB. and they felt that KC would take a plea deal.
/blam
/blam
@Keeping an Open Mind You are so Funny! I love it! In fact I think I love everyone here on this site, I am so glad I am not alone in my thinking! OMG that was just so funny ! And yes, why was GA acting so peculiar and did anyone think it was odd that he made the correction that she didnt live in an apartment but a condominium. LOL. Well Excusez-moi.
HGM,
Tks for that research.
/blam
Here is how other sites feel about sharing information that could potentially help Casey.
Originally Posted by Secretsolver
Gee I posted an entire thread about this last night after the 11 pm news and it has now dissappeared. What are the rules for posting here?
Tony Pipitone (local6 reporter) reports that the MR was arrested for kidnapping in 1992. The MR wants it known that somehow this was a domestic case and that his record is clear now.
He was hired by Orange county on May 27, 2008. He lost his wife to cancer last year. Up until late 2004 the MR was a Bail bondsman and a Bounty Hunter for 11 years in Kingsport Tennessee.
He was assigned to read meters on the Suburban route originally in early August and then reassigned to a different route until December. Channel 6 then discovered the MR was actually back to reading meters in the Suburban
area as early as November but the MR stayed out of the area the remains were found in as he was busy with other things.
“Originally Posted by shadow of my mind
The mod shut it down because of ‘rumor status’. There was no link showing the source of the information. It was asked already by a member to have it merged with this and the request was denied. [Sorry don't remember the # of the post it was asked/denied.]
I did some more digging late last night after the thread was closed and was able to find a few things to confirm was had been posted, death of [not wife] significant other, a few other locations of former address, his newbie status with OC but did not come up with anything to confirm the bounty hunter and bail bondsmen part. I was not able to access anything on-line which just means that it was too long ago for anything to show up in that search format not that it not true.
I am not familiar with Mr. Pipitone but he does belong to a news outlet so I will have to take the information as factual as any other news source. ”
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77876&page=4
@Melzey WOW @HollysGMom yes it is like a support group. I am glad you all are here!
HGM, Riley..
bounty hunter and bail bondsman….. hmmm, do you think there could have been a possibility of a chance meeting of some kind bk in Ohio when GA was a cop? MOO.
I had read somewhere else about RK being a bail bondsman and ex bounty hunter. Don’t know if true but I had read it.
/blam
Blam, it’s been un-real how the media has attacked defense attorneys. I usually dis-agree with Greta Van Susteren, but give her credit for condemning the media sensationalism.
I read a this post on WFTV I tried to sign up to tell her/him about this site because WFTV seems very biased in my opinion. But I had issues registering. Anywho, this is some of what was said.
From NJustice4All1
“We sentenced a young girl to life in prison/death today. Really? What did she do? She killed her child. OMG! How? We don’t know…we think…Wow! That sounds awful! When did she do it? We don’t know that either…we think…So where did this happen? We don’t know that either…we think…That’s just terrible! Why did she do it? We don’t know that either…we think…. This case is about more than Caylee or Casey. This case is about you and I, the people. This case is about our right as Americans to be innocent until PROVEN guilty. The prosecution proved a lot, lying, a dysfunctional family, an odor in the car, and a homicide likey occurred. They have yet to prove who, when, where, how, and why. SAD. But sometimes the truth does hurt and this is definitely one of those times. No one knows and that is the truth. We’re all just speculating and basing Casey’s reactions to our own. There are women out there who lose thier children, lose their husband then go out and get breast implants and party it up…days after while grieving. Of course she has lied. Did George really molest her for years? No one will ever know that either but Casey, George and God. Funny how he told Baez exactly what Caylee was wearing from head to toe the last day he saw her but could not remember what his wife wore that day. I know few men who could give those kind of eerie details about a 2 1/2 year old little girl’s outfit. However, the day our justice system is based off of anger, speculation, and the need for blame is the day we are all in trouble. ”
It chilled me to the bones reading it.
21st century witch trials (perhaps a new animated movie/ride theme for Disney?)
I do have an issue as well with GA remembering exactly what Caylee wore, but not what she watched on tv? I dont think what someone wore that day even my own kid would really be something I recall, not unless is was like a specail event or new clothes maybe or uniform. Otherwise I dont think I would take note. And for a man to know (sorry men) down to the backpack and glasses? Odd, no? But I sure, to this day, know what my kids watched on tv in the mornings and that was 21 years ago!
blam… GA was a detective then, perhaps they could’ve met with RK being a suspect in something else?…Rk aeems to have a propensity for antisocial behavior to say the least
I’m thinking it could be either but am concerned about something.
Check this:
WHo sent William “Cobra” Staubbs to Satsuma after haleigh was abducted Feb 09 2009?
Answer: Richard Grund
What is RG’s accossiation with Bounty Hunters and Bail Bonds men? Professional? Personal?
If he sent a Bounty Hunter to “find Haleigh” could it be that he sent an ex-Bounty Hunter to find Caylee also?
I’ll just let that sink in….LOL
all…………. they could have soooooo many ways. picking up/meeting escorts…. anything
One of the people at the center of the Haleigh Cummings case is William Eugene Staubs, aka “Cobra,” a bounty hunter from Fort Lauderdale, FL, who has been involved in several high profile cases over the years, including the O.J. Simpson case and the take-down of an alleged terrorist in Fort Campbell, KY.
Despite an impressive record, which, by his count, includes the capture of over 8,000 fugitives – 199 of whom he says were child molesters – Staubs now finds himself at the center of his own criminal investigation – a case which he claims has been manufactured to silence him.
“Pastor Richard Grund (father of Jesse Grund – Casey Anthony’s former fiancé) got a call from a woman who was involved in the case, and she told him that there was something really wrong going on in this little girl’s disappearance,” Staubs said in an interview with Criminal Report Daily. “She said ‘we need some type of investigator. These people are poor; they don’t have any money.’ So Pastor Grund contacted me, and we discussed it. I asked him what he thought and he said, ‘I will tell you right now; it isn’t going to be easy. It is going to be dangerous, so I suggest you prepare yourself.’ So I called journalist Art Harris and asked him to come down to Satsuma to go behind the scenes with me, and I headed down there to get started.”
More at link
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/08/william-cobra-staubs.html
Lynn
Submitted on 2011/06/28 at 10:51 pm
Thank you Lynn,
For bringing this insightful, thought provoking comment here!! All I can say is “WOW”!
Thanks again and welcome.
Noni
June 28, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Anything said in opening statements is not in evidence and therefore cannot be talked about unless the other side opens the door during questioning. The questions asked of witnesses is supposed to be taken from depositions already given to both sides. On top of all that there is procedure and a proper way to ask questions….that’s why so many objections…because of form. All cases are like this with the exception of two very experienced attorneys. The worst part of the opening statements in this trial is that the defense brought too many theories with no witnesses to back up what they told the jury. Huge problem. Have you noticed how many times Lee has been on the stand and Baez has not asked him if he molested his sister? You can’t tell the jury you are going to show, provide stories or some kind of proof and then don’t…looks real bad. If the jurors can’t believe in the defense attorneys then they will have a tough time believing their client.
HGM maby RK chased a car thief in OH and they met that way..OR the other way around. Just too many ways to guess
Kronk said during his phone call that he had Caylee’s route? ::MonkeyConfused::
Oh Boy………did he actually say Caylee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!this man needs to stop!
That was in the snippet that they played at the beginning of the show. I don’t even know what to say ::MonkeyConfused::
Yup .. I remember him saying that in one of his 911 calls. He also didn’t even know the name of the streets he was near.
I thought back in August(first 911 calls)Kronk was new to the surburban/hopespring route????
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4384.980;wap2
HollysGmom
Forgive me….Cobra is a legend in his own mind. He was run out of town for the Cummings case because he flat broke the law and got out pretty good. If you were to go back and read the charges you would see what happened to him. Naturally he tells a completely different story than what are on the county records.
The autopsy of the snake showed that it had massive internal injuries from being run over by a car.
Southwest Director Gary Kronk Madison County
Ohio County Dog Wardens Association
“Striving to Be Man’s & Dog’s Best Friend”
http://www.ocdwa.com/pdfs/Directory.pdf
The circumstances surrounding the discovery of the body are so shady that I would not be surprised if it came out that he was tipped off. So when he comes up with five grand to pay back support it sends up all kinds of red flags.
Heres what I think happened (just a theory)
Kronk was told to report the remains by persons unknown. He doesnt know the exact location because they havent told him that. So when deputies respond his directions are hazy.
Then unknown persons contact him a second time with more information. He reports it again, thinking that he knows the spot. But hes not the smartest guy, so he messes it up again so deputies find nothing.
The third time he is told exactly where to look. So he concocts the “peeing in the woods” story so he can justify why he was wandering in the woods looking while he is supposed to be working.
Im not sure why they chose Kronk or what role he may be playing in the affair, but my gut says he is in deep.
Id like to know what everyone else thinks about this theory or if they have one of their own they would like to share.
dean@knickersdown.net
HollyGMom,
lol…Helloooooo….lol
Please don’t post anyone’s Driver’s Licence number!
That’s not cool.
TIA,
theJBMission
damaged,
please don’t assume that I don’t know abut the Haleigh case. I have been a published author on BNN while Cobra was going through all of his “travails”. I have personal contact with many of the players & witnesses. TY.
After following Caylee’s disappearance I have investigated & forwarded pertinent info on all of the major missing child cases that have followed. 14 in all. Including Daniel Fonds who was immediately recovered along with Shannon Dedrick. Sylar Newton’s mother has become a personal friend of mine as well. It was through my efforts that she first made contact with the media including Hannah Mullins.
so RK ;;;; this story broke on July/16 & mr.k has tv …..co workers…well me and my buddies would know where this happened when,what, why ect and I’m gonna be the one with this UNHEARD of meter route… but hell i dont know what street it is but me and my buddies were out there today and i thought i saw a little skull, well its 9;30pm i guess i should call 911 after my girlfriend gives me permission… ok right
Hi guys..still laying low..
All your comments are great. So many possibilities.
Melzy….EE-Gads…you have to do something! That’s frightening. You have to tell the FBI. You can do it online. Just fill out the report and email it. They’ll follow up with you. Do you have any knowledge of the people who owned your house before you?
I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night. I’d have to get to the bottom of it.
JB…I couldn’t help getting mental images of JP on the phone.
“You hang up”
“No, you hang up”
“you go first”
“no, you go first”
Hahahahahhhahhahh
In bed, cracking myself up.lol
good night all
SOrry JB. It was a direct c&p from that link.
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lol..no problem. I was just a little shocked by the license number…
Now I’m shocked by Humble Opinion. Wow..
jB
Hi Melzy,
OMG, I believe you. LE really doesn’t care. All of these missing people in the United States, you’d think they would have at least asked you, who owned the house before you? Or let’s take this hip bone and put it in a bag. You never know! lol Thanks for sharing ur story.
Noni
June 28, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Why is the defense – when they have stated their “case” – always reminded that they are not allowed to ask any questions that are “not relevent” (i.e. to the prosecutions case}? They have things that go directly to their opening statement that they need to bring in but are not allowed to because it is not “relevent”. I don’t understand the reasoning for this. Anybody know the answer?
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I guess I just had an ah ha moment. So thats what the “relevence” issue is about. I for some reason was thinking it had to do with the def case. But I guess it does go to the pT charges? I was hoping that the OCC and the Lady from Jail would be allowed, as to show that its how she copes.
I really in my heart of hearts, believe that maybe that since Lee busted his Moma off today, and I didnt see him in the courtroom after lunch, then the questions to JG, Whose depo was it they proffered because wasnt there? I think that maybe Lee is gonna testify that maybe he caught GA with KC. I just have that feeling.
My Daddy got tickled today, he said “You know what, I been thinking these talking heads keep saying Ashton will tear KC apart on the stand if she takes. I think one of the reasons that the cops didnt look at anyone else is because they COULDNT BREAK KC and it really pi$$ed them off. (I think that it holds alot of weight). Seeing and hearing what I have, how they havent been able to rattle her, I dont think Ashton could do it either. Remember them cops can do alot of slimmy tactical stuff that he cant in front of the court-or cameras- and they couldnt break her. She might give ole Skinny (what he calls JA) a heart attack.” lol Daddy mite be right lol
GOtta go back and catch up a lil at time. WOW coming to the end…
Has my bud Kmiller been here today…
sorry i’m back ! RK had to know the name ;;; Hope Spring
Holy Cr%P Holly!!
I just realzied you got all that information from Humble Opinion?? Wow…
Anyway, lets not do that here unless its really really necessary, you get my drift..lol
The Haters are having fits already..lol
JB…Great Kronk Tutorial, btw. Thank you.
Hey kathy,
Thank u very much Maam for noticing
I hope you’re feeling better too.
JB Mission- You would know better than any of us. Just out of curiosity, just how much are the haters interested in our comments. Just wondering because I cant imagine anyone could take the time to read what we are saying here and not be swayed.
From your last comment to Holly I gathered you can tell as the site owner.
NP JB I’ll behave.
I can’t keep up with the thread, but I saw a few minutes of testimony by Kronk today. Mason looked unprepared, couldn’t find his inconsistencies. I knew them well.
I was at least 30 feet away from the skull on august 11th
That is inconsistent with his statement to police. He said 6 feet. Also, how do you get 30 feet away, she was right there on the path.
It was the same bag because they told me it was the same bag. That was a beauty.
I do not know how the Jury is going to go over this stuff. They need to read the interviews and the depositions to get a feel for how this guy is lying. There is no way a snake is more important than a skull. No good samaritan would walk away…. He is hiding something, and I think he is playing with mason. When he says I was 30 feet away, I wonder if he is meaning 30 feet away from where he removed the body the second time. There is no way an honest person could testify like this. He is way out there with inconsistencies. IMO
Joe Jordan pleads the fifth. I saw that part, but was unable to see the follow up. I take it they tried to put the fifth back in the genie bottle?
Hi all….lots to catch up on! I just got home.
One thing stands out so far……
MELZY………call the FBI as the commentor suggested above. If that doesn’t work……call the health department and report it. Get your calls on record NOW….I don’t care if you have to call the uber disgusting media……IF you have suspicions that it’s a human body….CALL someone. Call a native american tribal council and tell that that as of the NAGPRA law that was enacted in 1991 you feel it your duty to ask them if the bones are native american. Heck, I don’t care what you tell them….just tell them…..MANY of them
Because what you don’t want to happen is 2 years from now, you have a water line or sewer line break and, in digging in the yard someone discovers human remains and accuses you of hiding a body!!
DO NOT RELY ON LE TO HAVE FILED A REPORT!!!! Obviously they don’t do that in Florida!!
I just wanted to clarify. I’m not saying I think Rev G knew where the remains were. He didn’t/does’t know where Haleigh’s are and still sent a bounty hunter to look for her.
I’m just saying it MAY be possible that he also enlisted RK.
Hi Arkansasmimi! thanks for your message last night. Yes I am here. Reading more than commenting the last couple of days. I have been a little down. I tell you, Im amazed at how I feel so deeply affected by the highs and lows of this trial. All of the BS is just diving me insane. Im confident that there will be a great outcome, but when the defense has seemingly weaker days, the mere thought of this corruption I feel is going on being overlooked has me scared to death. Im slowly losing faith in things I once believed in. I feel like a kid who found out Santa, Easter Bunny, and the Tooth fairy were not real all in the same day!!! LOL!! So sad and my heart is broken for so many people. And at the same time Im furious at others. Im just a mess. LOL!!
So, enough about me, How are you, LOL!!!
Hey guys Im still here…just working along side keeping up…Im sooo glad Dmgd pets you posted a bit of a tutorial on criminal procedure..so now as I yell at JP from my computer Ill be informed on what Im yelling about…re:LE not breaking KC…(arkm posted) you know what? it was reading that interview the interview at universal that let me know something was not quite right…KC had this uncanny way of answering the questions as if she really KNEW what she was saying was the truth…when I HEARD the interview, it was Ill say again uncanny…she straight up (according to what was presented by the PT at trial) LIED without any regard for the fact that what she was saying was clearly untrue…& it didnt SOUND dishonest I believed her..even though I had read the police report documenting conflicting evidence… unlike for example EVERYONE else Ive heard testify thus far on behalf of the PT…with the exception of Bloise (the dude who gathered & dried out the evidence from the car) & hmmm I cant think of anyone else.. the rest have something off about their statements..I listen to them & as the DT questions EVERY one of them, their either combative for some reason (sign of lying from my perspective), intentionally vague, or try to distance themselves from the evidence their representing….
Thats what makes me think there’s a strong possibility that KC may have been abused as a child..either that or what she saying to LE in that interview was indeed true..compartmentalization would DEFINITELY allow for her to be able to do all of that..thats the 1 phenomenon that offers me the most logical explanation…(either that or she truly is a sociopath), but I definitely havent seen any evidence of the latter
K.Miller…
I wanted to share a thought with you …1st though, I want to make sure I didnt confuse your story with another blogger..you’re the 1 who’s husband is a hero (aka Marine) lol …but also lost a friend to a tragic death?
JB….you have mail!
misty
June 28, 2011 at 9:36 am
Re: Denise Duatre
http://www.urbanspoon.com/u/profile/1318972/denise-duarte.html
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I think I heard Ca say or read here that KC was like I wanna say 3 when moved to FL. Kmiller I wondered too about bio father thing….Also, that 1 jail video that KC wants to see GA instead to CA, she says (paraphrasing) that she and GA had just started having a relationship after not having had one in long time, something like that.
The DT said that the grief lady is gonna be up in morning and have 6 other witness, I wonder does that mean 6 new witnesses or 6 total witness es.
Didnt that Alex that was RK supervisor say RK WAS NOT on a route in that area on DEC 11? I thought I understood RK say he hadnt made it to that area yet (anthony home) when went to woods to relieve himself. I also notice that the PT DID NOT question RK about holding the bad up 4 ft. I had always invisioned the head rolling out as in the end of bag, but the bag was tied, BUT the head “rolled” from the tear in bag poss. IMO. If I were a juror I would be really wondering about RK about how the skull was found dec 11, and the fact of him saying he put meter reader stick thru the eye area and picked up…..
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It is disturbing to me that these witnesses are able to get up there and just lie on the stand. Ga saying that about river cruz strikes him as funny. He looked like he was lying through his teeth to me. Joe Jordan pleading the fifth when asked if he was threatened with prosecution. That is a gem. Rk distancing himself from the body 30 feet as though he never took an interview or depostion in the case. Lee being left out of the loop obviously is disturbing and shows a family of secrets.
I found CM to be irritating. Slow, jerky, uninformed, hard to understand. The witnesses were eating him alive. With hindsight, i believe Jb could have done much better. Wesh people reporting huge yawns by the jury. Sorry to be so hard on CM, but I suppose the DT shouldn’t have gotten my hopes up in opening statements. The TH’s come away with good samaritan. Seems to me an ameture could have ripped this guy to shreds.
The Judge is controlling this trial in favor of the state. He continues to keep important things out and allows the state to object just when its getting good. This is not my idea of a fair trial. That is the main reason I am here is the fair trial process. I am convinced that the state can get away with anything in Orlando. I could never live there.
I don’t know for sure if they are done with RK. If they are, then CM choked when he was needed the most. I hope this has nothing to do with a falling out between him and Kc. I have to keep in mind, what the jury sees. We all see the interviews and depositions over the last 3 years and the shananagins going on when the jury isn’t present. Are they disapointed? Did the DT promise something that they could not keep?
Have they shown one shred of evidence that Kc was molested?
Have they shown one shred of evidence that RK moved the body?
Have they shown one shred of evidence that Caylee drowned?
Kc being molested is just basically her word as a proven liar against his.
RK comes away looking like a good samaritan. No prior bad acts allowed.
Evidence of a drowning is weak, but there is some evidence. The pool ladder being left up is a big one. Caylee being able to open the door is another. Ga’s testimony puts all that to rest though.
Early morning when Joe Jordan plead the fifth, the DT had momentum. They were finally getting somewhere. RK came to the stand and basically was able to lie through his teeth and come out a good samaritan. Leaving the momentum back in the states arena.
Please tell me someone, that RK is not done testifying yet.
Riley/Kmiller, on the snake being dead… I think I read on here or somewhere that the snake was supposed to have been run over, but i dont know if it got run over how it ended up in woods. How far from road was it? Kronk had my head moving and me rolling (literally I did get tickled and lay on floor laughing today, at Kronk and ESP WHEN JO-JO WAS UP!
Ok, so let me get this right, Kronk was suppose to have lifted up the skull on DEC 11th? OH so right how was it BURIED UP TO Eye sockets like CSI and JA said. If I were a juror watching that video and I saw DC digging under those boards in than UNPACKED DIRT and I saw A BLACK TRASH BAG W YELLOW STRING TIED PARTLY BURIED, I WOULD HAVE SOME QUESTIONS….
Also, did anyone else notice that on RK “map” of the location he drew and signed/dated in Dec, that RK had written Aug 10, 2008….Sorry if already been addressed… I as a juror, and maybe CM will address, it aint over yet, AND I dont think they will hold to the same deadline as set forth last week, how could they, they lost all day Sat, and a couple hrs today, and I also wonder if it was 6 NEW witness or 6 total. So many were subject to recall (even if they poss dont need)
The snake was on the mowed area along the curb area, not in the woods. RK terrified of snakes, yet goes into the woods to relieve himself. Yeah right. I do not believe that the defense has done a good job of showing the police searched that area. The entrance into the woods with the path is obvious. It is not like it was hidden. It is obvious that it was a well traveled path. The body lay along side of the path. The body is just feet into the woods, not far at all and along the path. This is the first break in the woods past the stockade fence. There is absolutely no reason that the police wouldn’t search this area thoroughly. I do not believe the defense has done a good job of demonstrating this to the jury. They let RK sit up there and lie to his teeth as though the body was farther in and he was 30 feet away. That is not even possible. He would have had to leave the path and go into the thick to pee. Does not make sense. I am very frustrated. sorry
The only thing I can think of is that today CM set him up and there will be a revisit. I can only hope. That is what they did with Mark Furhman. They let him sit up there and speal what a great boy scout and good samaritan he was, and then they confronted him with the N tapes. He plead the fifth and the rest is history. F lee baily did the same thing. He set him up with boring examination from and old boring has been attorney, and then he nailed him. All of a sudden, f lee baily came alive. I will never forget it. I can only hope that CM is sandbagging at this point. I want to see fireworks.
NTS….I agree with EVERYTHING you said in the last 2 posts!
I gotta get some sleep, so sorry I can’t contribute more! Have a great night all!
I really believe that the cell phone records are gonna reveal something huge. My thinking is because DT keeps making ref of them, yet not going there yet. And I too thought RK said he hasnt had contact (paraphrasing dont remb exact) then said poss 12 to 15, ? I have a feeling just a feeling because of the way CM got RK to give his phone number today, when talking about calling his son and not remb his sons #. ALSO CM asked him this is your cell number correct. Theres something about those cell records….Mark my words…..And IMO RK has no clue as to when if his records were gotten…
Have you guys seen/heard this?
Krystal Holloway AKA River Cruz speaks
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2011/06/29/casey-anthony-murder-trial-day-30
Arkansasmimi: I TOTALLY agree with what your Dad said about CA “pissing the LE off” because they couldn’t break her! Look at the way JA acts and questions defense witnesses. Can you imagine how he treated “suspects” in an interrogation? Can u imagine how angry he probably got when the “suspects” didn’t say what he wanted them to say? I would hate to be behind closed doors with that Jerk! Thank you for responding.
HollysGmom and damagdpets, thank you for helping me understand why the defense can’t ask the questions he needs to ask. I have been so frustrated that the defence has not really been able to defend his client. I really never knew this about trials. Seems so wrong to me!
As always, have so enjoyed everyone’s throughts and comments! Still can’t see what I am typing but hopefully my thoughts come across OK.
Bella
June 28, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Please tell me more. II am very interested.
perelandra
June 28, 2011 at 4:57 pm
IIRC Felix Ortiz’ name came up during the information search I did on Samantha Gonzales. Maybe a brother to her husband Mr Ortiz?
blam
June 28, 2011 at 6:11 pm
That second map on that page was the graphic I had linked. That’s why I thought it might have jogged your memory.
irisheyescu2
June 28, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Even though school was not in regular session in earlly August there were school employees on property readying for the new school year. There are reports of 2 or more witnesses at the school reporting that they had seen a suspicious male in those woods not long before Roy’s 1st 911 call.
I’ll try to find the confirming documents.
thejbmission
June 28, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Has Roy ever stated what time this “discovery” on Sugust 11 occured? I am still very curious to know if he was around the area when Gale St John &crew did that blind-drive and mini-search. If he saw them he might have picked it as a spot that would be substantiated later by the video they had. I’m thinking about whether or not him or his work truck might be visible in that video.
So many new faces!! I have not had my personal PC use for nearly 2 wks BAD TIMING! But each time I get in here.. I see NEW PEOPLE! Interesting as we were such a small group prior LOL. OK..I have not been able to read all comments..nor..can I give you links.. I am on my cell. But a lot of the neighbors..vacant house..occupants..zany truck..Kio..river cruz info and such are all in research on this very site. I will follow up this comment about the SNAKE.
blam
June 28, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Yes. It was harming Disney & Universal’s reputations. Tourist became afraid that there might be an unknown child murderer on the loose, tourism slowed. Once they announced they believed Casey was the murderer all was well again.
IIRC there are a few early on news articles about the tourism taking a hit at that time.
Bella
June 28, 2011 at 7:24 pm
I too believe that Zanny was made up by GA for CA to use to tell othrs where Caylee was oor a code for them in re: escort type activity. SOmething there, just not sure what.
To holly g’s mom…I was going to tell K. Miller ( I thought she was the one who said she had a dear friend who was senslessly murdered by Bundy), that really touched me for some reason, everytime I think of it, it truly bothers me…but I was going to share with her that if she is indeed the same blogger who shared that with us the other day, than itd explain why she’s zealous (excited with alot of good energy) when dealing with this case.. & I was going to share with her that (although again Im no expert on anything Ive shared on this site) I do believe that this may be perhaps some form of healing for her? & I was going to encourage her to continue to share with us if she’s able her thoughts, even when she’s a bit down re: the progress of the case..Just because we’re all here for a reason, and it appears as if this is a respectful environment to shed our thoughts about what we’re witnessing.. I for 1 have had my own past experiences, & get EXTREMELY emotional when I broach the topic of child abuse..sometimes I think I may be contributing a bit much..but I also think it may be a way of deconstructing emotions Im not consciously aware of… But I may have confused K.Miller’s experiences with someone else on this site…
Also who was the JERK that killed that poor snake!!! They ran it over with a car ? hmmm…I didnt retain a whole lot about todays testimony, (something about GA & RK really bother me…RK looks and sounds like a seasoned deviant) but I did hear him say the snake was a Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake..which is an EXTREMELY venomous snake…if he knew that much about it at first glance, he would’ve also noticed the snake was dead…Rattlers rarely strike before warning..rattling VERY loudly as a warning to tell larger creatures to buzz off.. & that particular species of snake folks (unfortunately) pay a lot for dead or alive..
they can grow VERY big..
also re: the Zanny thing…you know what I seriously should do is paruse through this site & gather the thoughts that flow in a cohesive way into a timeline or something? Im not sure if I have time for it, but its a good thought…simply because I think JB seriously has a team of armchair experts right here..(although Im sure he knows the truth of what happened) I say that becuase (from my perspective) in order to thoroughly plan a good defense, I imagine JB would have to have to know what the offense was armed with…(apparently a lot of Tom Foolery) & a lot of weight on their side…
The SNAKE..DD ..RK co-worker on stand today..had interview with LE..Iam on cell cant offer link ..but you can look up transcript in docs. His story..RK was there first. Dean came to route at the end. They had conversations about the skull. RK Went in woods in one pathway. Saw something. Then another co worker comes. At that point RK IS GOING TO GO IN THE WOODS AT A DIFFERENT ENTRY NOW. He walks PAST the snake and the guys yell. LE ask Dean about the snake..Dean says it had NO VISIBLE TRAUMA..LE says then what do you think happened..Dean said SUSPICIOUS..they had autopsy done on snake. RK INTERVIEW..he says snake bleeding at mouth ..someone must have JUST PRIOR..run over it. THEIR STORIES WERE QUITE DIFFERENT! I had a theory back then either the remains were or were not in the woods but either way the SNAKE WAS A DISTRACTION BY KRONK. In other words the entire day was a stage. RK either wanted the remains NOT to be seen..you notice he emphasizes the snake adventure to all to not go in there.OR he wanted ther
Kmiller
June 28, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Yes, GA is Casey & Lee’s real father. I looked up their marriage license and they were married for about 2 yrs before Lee’s birth IIRC.
ALso you are so very right about thow victims handle their abusers. SOme know to stay away while others remain in denial even to the point of subjecting their own children to the same abuser. It happens every day. Also I don’t think that Cindy is a stand by your man type however, he demasculinating style could be a breeding ground for sexual abuse. If GA couldn’t handle Cindy then it may turn to his daughter for “comfort” or take out his anger at Cindy on Casey. Another thing to consider is that there is such a thing ss opportunistic sexual abusers. They are people who will sexually abuse anyone they think they can get away with. THe disabled, children both buys & girls, adults who may be intimidated.
Interesting snoop…
Lynn
June 28, 2011 at 10:51 pm
THanks for sharing that find. POWERFULL!
You see the female officer with Cain in her interview with LE..SAID..RK was NOT upset with CAIN ..AT ALL!..That he just repeated SEVERAL TIMES..THAT KC SAID “SHE WAS CLOSE”..It is all in the transcripts.Having read and researched 1000′s of documents and utilized the internet tools to research the depths of the players..makes it yet more confusing!! but also gives way to the knowledge we have compared to the jury. Does not seem like justice..when JP PREVENTS THEM..from providing more!..obviously the State is..has NOT ever been for truth! Just the WIN!
!damagdpets
June 28, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Damaged, forgive me for comming of snarky in my last post to you but that was my point. I don’t have to read about Cobra because I lived it with him , sort of. I was a contributor on the site that wrote most of the articles about him. In fact I have become so embroiled in th eHaleigh case that I am currently at risk of lawsuit even though I did NOT give the respondent the information he wanted and the petitioner ‘s investigators will find that out. I know so many details about that case it isn’t funny.
I do agree though that Cobra was a blow-hard and while I used to be in his corner way back when I no longer have respect for him since his ass kissing of & return to our common enemie’s camp.
I have to preface this thought, by saying anything I share on this topic I do so with ALL DUE respect to anyone else on this blog who’s had the horrible misfortune of being victimized (however it may occur)… I dont share any of my thoughts ever with the intent of diminishing the
crime of abuse… I dont use the word Peda phile intentionally..Peda meaning child Phile meaning love…I think 1 ofI HUMBLY and RESPECTFULLY share my thoughts ..
1 of the the worst tragedies about the cycle of abuse is the MIS information about abuse, and as well the way society outrageously blames the victims,further stigmatizing.Child Abusers should be called what they are,so we can continue to place the blame and responsibility with the right party.. There is NOTHING in the act of victimization that includes LOVE…Peda yes Phile never…
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To holly g’s mom>
I agree with your thoughts re: the fact that there are opportunistic sexual abusers. You defined them as people who will sexually abuse anyone they think they can get away with. THe disabled, children both buys & girls, adults who may be intimidated.
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EXTREMELY true to whoever originally contributed that thought..but to clarify abusers do NOT abuse for comfort…thats 1 of the lies they tell to justify their sick behavior..Abusers DO NOT abuse in response to another persons behavior (eg a man who’s deprived of affection from home will turn to children elsewhere) NO thats not accurate at all…
Also opprotunistic abusers are a little hard to bundle or classify because theyre usually (to my understanding) not patterned offenders …to my understanding they not as inclined to abuse pre pubescent… & a broad generalization is typically most abusers are gender specific…
but again abuse is deviant behavior, so its can never be said any 1 of them always do anything…
but LIE, and abuse…
snoop
June 29, 2011 at 3:01 am
I couldn’t agree more Snoop!
& thank you snoop! I totally agree its hard to imagine how the jury can possibly make an informed decision when they’re not TRULY informed..Im trying to understand how RK’s past isnt relevant…?
I mean as it relates to case law..I guess thats how it works…
Snoop, as I reconsider what you say about RK & what Mason got out of him, arguing with his friend about who’s idea it was to say that the location they found the remains was a good place to drop a body…..
Bella,
Orry I meant to ” ” the word comfort. I use to quotes around a word to mean a term used but not agreed upon by me as correct. I do agree that whether a person is recieving sex from an adult or not in no way enables them to elisit sex from a child.
As far as opportunistic abusers I have met MANY. Both through my own experiences as well as the experiences of friends & family members. The opportunistic abusers I have known or that have been described to me never had a preference to anything except sex.
Boy/girls, young/old, adult/child. Anyone who they could gain sex from was fair game.
Many times women who have been sexually abused will allow thei abuser to be around their sons because they don’t believe the abuser to be gay, so the sons would be safe. Completely untrue, unfortunately. I can even see the affair with KH/RC as sort of an opportunistic abuse type deal. If he made advances and used emotional blackmail/pressure to get her to conceed…?
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ok my dear fellow sleuthers… Ill be checking out now.. real quick though, I keep harping about the thing with the tape & the mandible bone… as Ive said before if the tape was indeed attached prior to decomposition, I cant see how it wouldnt have preserved some of the soft tissue in place for a while longer than the rest of the remains …which wouldve made the skull (& really whatever else near it) A LOT more appealing to scavengers…Id logic that they wouldve carried the skull off like the rest of the remains that were seperated, and that portion would’ve been found in another location DISARTICULATED at the joint…just like what happened to the tibia, & fibula…along with (what believe JB mission posted here on the site) info about the way the body would have decomposed,there would have been DNA on the tape… which tells me someone intentionally affixed the tape to the hair @ some point…(perhaps in August ? when RK called the 1st time about the skull)…knowing all of that TRULY makes me suspicious about the ME’s findings.. as I keep stressing over that little detail of the tissue decomposing..I wonder why she rushed to assume the tape was affixed over the mouth, without questioning how the skull UNIQUELY stayed in tact without any disruption from animals (not the 2 legged kind) …it makes me think her rushed findings had to have had some motive? nothing happens by coincidence in science…
WHY on the mouth…?
WOW! Check the date on this one. I found it while researching the tourism taking a hit from an unknown murderer on the loose. It only took 8 days for the prosecutor’s office to name Casey as the only suspect.
nika(1)
i think that Casey is a victim of incest and her father is also Caylee’s father. and this is why there is no record of a father and this is why casey is a compulsive liar and shows little emotion- that’s what can happen to incest victims. i think Caylee became in danger of being an incest victim and either she was rapad and murdered by the grandfather or casey killed her in a type of defense. either way i think all three (grandmother, grandfather and Casey) worked together to get rid of the body. and Cindy is speaking in very specific terms when she says “there could be one or two reasons why Casey is not telling the truth and that somebody could be holding something over her head and threatening her in some way.” i think Casey has been living in an extreme state of conflict, being both a victim and a dependent mother and maybe she snapped- or maybe that grandfather did it. But either way- i think there is a deep back story here that actually makes everything make a certain sense and this is why the women in this family lie all the time and the grandfather is relatively silent.
July 24, 2008 at 1:23 am
I went back and looked briefly for the tourism downturn info but so far have only found that the gas prioes that year/summer were particularly respnsible for the tourism downturn. I may delve into this further in the future.
01/31/2011 Notice of Taking Deposition(s)
Defense taking depositions on Feb 2, 2011 of:
- Carolyne Roderick – OCSO
- Kathleen Ramsey – Hidden Oaks Elementary witness
- William Fitzgerald – searcher
http://www.justice4caylee.org/t10472-defense-deposition-kathleen-ramsey-hidden-oaks-elementary-witness-2-2-2011
Thank you for you kindly for your thoughts HGM….Again I have to respond humbly..If you’ve spent time working with victims of abuse (either professionally or not) I have to thank you for being a kind guardian of the powerless..
I have to clarify some of my language in my post.. Im using words with you interchangeably…1st sex is consensual…abusers do not have sex they rape… they dont have a taste or desire for sex, they have the need to abuse..So with offendors, similar to lets say mental health impairments, they’re classified by behavior & intent… lets say for example in the terms of mental health, you’ll hear people use the word schizo to define someone they know who acts CRAZAY & erratic… but by definition schizophrenia is classified (& treated) scientifically by behavior that does somewhat fit the layman’s concept, but there’s a lot more to it…
well with abusers the same can be said.. to my understanding the term opprotunistic describes an offendor characterized by the way he or she abuses.. now its been awhile since I submerged myself in the research so they may have redefined terminology.
http://www.realitychatter.com/t2773-michael-antonello-and-jennifer-killins-added-to-the-defense-witness-list-in-the-anthony-case
I also understand theory and practice dont always meld.. & from my perspective Real world examples when it comes to this topic at least ALWAYS redefine theory….
so opprotunistic does indeed mean they take advantage of the opprotunity, but the intent is different…
they abuse based on circumstance not based on the act of victimization..
the model they typically use would be the G.I. who stops in a foreign destination while away..there have been cases where these guys come into contact with children being marketed to “pass” as adults..so in this case the G.I offends… so clearly this is a horrible form of abuse.. he becomes the opprotunistic offendor…. versus someone who’s in contact with children, disabled, adults. who doesnt discriminate..
to my understanding those offender’s are more likely to repeat the offense as frequently as they can.. which makes them a SERIOUS & crazy danger to society…
Im sorry I should have said in my previous post …”they abuse based on circumstance not SOLELY based on the act of victimization “, & “…these guys come into contact with TEENAGERS who are marketed to pass as adults…”
Please forgive Balla,
None of my experience has been professional. All of it has been experience through victimization and through speaking with others who also have been victimized. My terminology may be off, it probably is. To me an opportunistic abuser is one who takes any opportunity. My father was one. It never mattered to him. Boy/girl, young/old, etc.
Correct sex is not the ultimate goal just part of the goal. The ultimate goal is to CONTROL. Debase, humiliate, etc etc.
HGM!!!!
ok I read that bit you posted…thank you ! This has been my thought for awhile…Its not GA I question though…I was going to suggest the other night a few thoughts…the IT guys were all over the MIRC chat etc… I asked if the anthony’s had it on their computer..I thought perhaps GA may have used this for his REAL chat & file sharing…& the stuff they found on the anthonys home computer wasnt even him
I think LA was looking into the BDSM sites.. & GA was into the more awful alternative
what I mean is Im confident GA is an offender, because the DT accused him of it.. & because of KC’s behavior…Ive also been suspicious of other factors once it was made apparent Caylee was discovered in PANTS that were to small..& that her hyoid bone was missing, but they found all of her wrist bones…plus 1 of her hands and a foot if Im not mistaken…
I think you could be correct Bella. ALso if there was victimization going on in that house it would be a learned behavior by Lee. Casey’s claims to JG and TL made me sure it was true. The % of sibling on sibling abuse are exponentially higher if there is parental abuse occuring, yes? So in that same vein of thought, if Casey had been sexually abused it stands to reason that Lee may also have been sexually bused by GA. If so, it could explain a BSDM interest. Especially in male on male abuse. What do you think?
bless your heart GSM thank you sooo much for sharing… thank you
in my case I was a victim of awful traumatizing physical abuse (same perpetrator my father) & the mental abuse that went with it… I was also abused later by a perpetrator you’d call opprotunistic..who I actually had the courage to report…
I had the misfortune of learning the reality of how the “justice” system treats the victims who speak out about sexual abuse.. firsthand in a VERY real way… because of the systems failutre to properly prosecute, the abuser went on to abuse a profoundly mentally abused girl…who was treated the same way… My educational background is in film, Ive researched abuse longer than it took me to get my degree LOL.. because I fell into the cycle as an adult myself.. but information is empowerment… It took therapy & learning about abuse to free myself… so again I totally thank you for sharing your thoughts… I think its a part of the reason I feel inclined to learn about this case.. because I BELIEVE (I dont rarely do that) I like facts… but I BELIEVE there is an abuser in that house…
if not, in the house, then GA is a facilitator who was making it happen elsewhere…or possibly both…
I think LA was a witnesss who had interest in BDSM, & all of the other sex sites, because of the abuse
OMG Bella. You could be onto something there. I had to look up the hyoid bone and now realize how sinister that could be. I too have wondered why they didn’t comb out that entire area forthe missing bones. Yes, you’re right 1 complete hand is missing and I think partial bones of one foot?
The pants too small signals to me she wasn’t wearing any.
I am suspicious about the three articles. 1 the t-shirt can not be identified as being Caylee’s except through pictures taken at another parties residence. The shorts were clearly too small and might have been left behiond somewhere. The pooh blanket also could have been left behind somewhere, maybe the same location as the t-shirt? I understand the cloth bag may have come from the Anthony residence but it too may have been used and left behind somewhere. I too have concerns about whether Caylee would have completely fit into that bag. Even though a body is no longer alive it doesn’t mean one can fold it like a piece of paper, IKWM.
I have a feeling that Lee is going to say he caught GA or maybe Ga did abuse him too. I hav to judge someone of something so serious, he just gives me creepy vibes. I guess (since I came into this late in compared to others) And I hate to repeat, but that whole cross or direct whichever it was with GA telling how he was so excited about the birth of Caylee and even was in the del for her birth.
Personally I cant wait til they do something with the phone records……I think thats gonna tie some things together. At least I am keeping my fingers crossed and hopes up lol
Bella (((hugs)))) Thank you for sharing with us also. I am excited about your film
experience & research. Especially in the areas of human trafficking. I also was exposed to such. Whther it was cash or favors that traded palms I will never know. Either way, sold is sold. My brother and I have been told by various professionals that they believe we may be some of the un-named children in recovered child porn phots & films.
Let’s just say the World I grew up in was a very dark place.
I think its possible that Caylee was a victim of abuse…I think the theory here on this site is RIGHT on with KC being the fall guy … CA being an enabler…i think KC repeated WORD for WORD the lies she had been constructed to repeat by GA for the years Caylee was around to the LE without questioning it, not because she was a sadistic sociopath, but because as a victim of abuse, she had the stockholm syndrome element to her abuse & was programmed to think GA was genius enough to out think anyone who questioned what happened ESPECIALLY the LE..;.I think KC went along with the flow intentionally making her life “appear” normal as GA instructed…. & was thrown under the bus …I think GA & LA conspired to hide Caylee until the remains were possibly handed off (to whom Im not sure) …I wont rule out my suspicion of LE as they clearly aren’t motivated by the truth… I think KC was stealing from her family so she could spend money with and on her friends, so she could by normalcy…. because as a victim of abuse, she probably had little socialization … I think thats why the family appears to be so close knit…& I think that baby was possibly GA’s, or if not perhaps one of his “friends”:…
Arkansasmimi;
I agree with you on GA. Both points, excitement & delivery room. (Yuck!) ALso Lee’s upset at not being included. I too hope the phone records clear some things up & offer answers to some of the questions we have.
HGM and Bella,
IMO I dont think Caylee was wearing either a top or the shorts, and my reason for that is, Correct me if I am wrong, the top and shorts were found near the trash bags and bags near the skull area, If I remember CSI stating the torso was drug by animals to I think area F.
Not to talk in circles, BUT IF THE CLOTHING WERE ON the child, how did the animals take the clothes off of her? or are they saying she decomposed right out of them and the torso and rest of her just slid out of top and shorts right at bag… I dont mean to be graphic or insensitive, but that is one thing that didnt make sense to me. Maybe I am trying to read too much into that…
Bella,, Right on! One thing that stood out to me was that there were no friends of Casey’s who came forward to defend her. None saying “I grew up in that house” or “I’ve spent many a nigh there” or anyone who was willing to say that they were long-time close friends. Why? Was she afraid to bring friends home? No onetalks about the happy sleep overs, of when her parents were there for them. THe fact that Uncle Rick didn’t know Casey was pregnant (and then lied to about it) shows that they weren’t a tight-knit family.
All of this personal distance from those outside the home signal; abuse. Sometimes children of alcoholics show this same pattern in bringing friends into the home. Maybe it’s due to physical abuse or maybe sexual or just embarrassmet. I question where all of Casey’s GOOD friends are.
Mim; I think you are right on the $$. I have always thought that the clothes were thrown in after. The disbursement pattern didn’t fit the senario of her wearing them. Add in that the shorts were too small …..
ok 1st to HGM …
when EVERYONE this girl knew threw her under the bus EVERYONE!!! EVERYONE..her grandmother, her uncle, her dad, her mother, ALL of her friends, everyone…! the pattern began I read what they said..they called her a liar, over and over again…
Uncle Rick said that everyone in the family knew she was a liar… and a thief…
when I saw the jailhouse visits and the way her parents doted over her… it didn’t add up..REAL parents like that make brats yes… but not sociopaths… loving parents who were sooo concerned… also thank you for your positive reinforcement re: my creative work… Ive learned so much about the way so many people seem to want to hold victims hostage … its such a crime to humanity to victimize, but that’s why I wanted to be sure to clarify terms… I would NEVER have shared my theory anywhere else….
& to ARK mini…Hello! I was supposed to log off awhile ago… but to address what you said…I need correction apparently ..I thought the shorts were found with the remains but not on them…
can you correct me where Im wrong?
LMAO I re read your thoughts Ak min….
yes exactly …& 1 thing with scavengers…they cache…which means they bury bones for later CLOSEST to a safe place..
I was EXTREMELY suspicious that the skull was found so close to the street.. now Im finding with a rattler nearby…
& that they found so many of the small bones…
BELLA
June 29, 2011 at 4:46 am
& to ARK mini…Hello! I was supposed to log off awhile ago… but to address what you said…I need correction apparently ..I thought the shorts were found with the remains but not on them…
can you correct me where Im wrong?
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I was under the impression that the torso with the spinal column was found in a diff area because one of the csi peeps said (tired hope remb correctly) that when drug off by animals still would have had some kind of tissue to hold togeter, and I understood that the shorts and what was left of the top was found around the trash bag area. In my pea brain mind just couldnt understand, I guess I am thinking ok, has clothes, animals drag body clothes go with body/bones to a point anyways, not clothes stay near bags… hope I am explaining my thoughts good enough…
Bella I agree. they were over the top sugary sweet. Unbelievable to me. THe terms of endearment GA used for Casey were big signals too IMO.
Casey was telling them “I’m trying to protect the whole family” and Cindy saying “I don’t know the level of your involvement”. Casey’s reaction to that told me tons.
I agree re: the whole family calling her a liar and various reasons behind it. Also did you notice that Uncle Rick DISOWNED his own son after he made certain claims against him in court during Rick’s divorce from Nathan’s mom. Oh really? What claims Mr Plesea? Sexual abuse claims?
“There’s a SICKNESS that runs in George’s family” Shirley Plesea
There’s a couple of DT witnesses who have known Casey since she was 11. Let’ see which one of them talks.
Mimi, I think you are right.
I’m sorry the quote from Shirley Plesea should have been ” SHE KNOWS there’s a sickness that runs in George’s family” Meaning CINDY knew!!!
Shirley Plesea is this Cindys Mother
and isnt Rich Cindys bro, the one that they went to his wedding. Why havent we heard from any of their extended family? What about Geo family… whats the short version scoop on them? I read the emails between CA and her brother….
wait…ok Ark min…thank you ! I understood you …ok so yeah what happened to her tight pants…apparently 4 legged folks are more complex than I thought…& a lot more respectful…they left the skull with the tape for investigators, in a place not near home where they nest, and can return to the bones… but conveniently close to where RK wanders…
& to HGM I didn’t know that about uncle rick…I thought that guy was CA brother…explains why GA talked to him the way he did… also sex abuse claims with children Ive seen that testimony get sealed …ok you guys are all so thorough…LOL I didn’t check out the defense’s witnesses… you know what? I have a hard time with anything relating to GA..I cant watch him testify…he so shifty… same with RK.. he SERIOUSLY creeps me out (truthfully) I was glad when Sam ( I think it was Sam) was posting the details of testimony here… then I didn’t have to see RK…
( I listened though)
The hyoid bone being missing is suspect. Several possibilities present.
Mimi; George’s sister & brother in law have been in the media recently defending him. His sister not as vehemently as her husband. SHe is rumored to be bi-polar and most believe this is what sickness Shirley was referring to. George once said in depo something like ” My ister is bi-polar. I hope something hasn’t happened to Casey to make her one too” This leads me to believe that there was a traumatic event that Kathy (GA’s sister) has talked about. Possibly molestation/rape. If so then GA also came from a sexual abuse environment. You know what they say. 50/50 on whether an abused person will go on to abuse. Somewhere around 50% will.
If Kathy was raped/abused did GA know about it? see it? Involved in it? If so, will she tell all?
ha!
HGM see I scoured the autopsy report…its definitely missing…
when I read that & read that duct tape was attached to the skull… I was horrified to tell you the truth…I then looked to see if her feet were in tact, and the pelvic bone was there..and her hands etc…
(in fact the 1st thing I read was the autopsy report) I waited till they posted that to read anything else (Im seriously behind)
ironically my thoughts when I came to this site were that KC was giving her baby something else to sleep well and od’d it..but as everyone puts all of each piece they have …I realized my 1st instincts were once again right…
the ME said itd take 2 weeks in the heat of FLA weather to skeletonize the body..
the pelvis was separated from the body…the eyes that could’ve confirmed asphyxiation gone. hair gone…enough evidence was there to suggest a crime, but confirm anything scientifically
1 hand missing & 1 foot…
Sorry but what is the hyoid bone, what would make it being missing suspect? (guess if I knew what it was that might answer my question lol)
AND this is terrible… The strange sounding name of Kronk (sorry Mr. Kronk and family) makes this already bizarre story even a lil funny. Then to me and my Mom, we think he looks like Lurch’s son on The Addams Family- like he could be his son or grandson! lol ” My Moma said – YOU RANG, I said yes he did 4 or 5 times LOL”
Between this trial, blogging, reading and watching my grandbaby, I am wiped out! I hope my house doesnt get condemned lol
ok…Im with you re: GA’s fam…he said his sis was bipolar…& the CA’s mom thought so too…ok it all makes sense…
so CA is a victim of a mom who at the minimum sounds a bit negative…perhaps controlling as well.. perhaps CA got a bit of her parenting from her mother..her mother (who btw was an emailer) had a lot of negative things to say about her own granddaughter…
the thing with KC isn’t her lying, but her disassociation from the truth that makes me wonder about her upbringing
CA lies…KC disassociates & i say that because of the way she lies…
Fracture and applied anatomy
Due to its position, the hyoid bone is not susceptible to easy fracture. In a suspected case of murder, a fractured hyoid strongly indicates throttling or strangulation. However this is not the case in children and adolescents, where the hyoid bone is still flexible as ossification is yet to be completed.
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I copied this from Wikipedia, so am I reading this to say that if ossification is yet to be completed, that it wouldnt skeletalize?
HA! ARk mini…Ive missed my workout for a few days (but in my defense I was sick)…Im blogging till the wee hours! lol…
I looked up the definition of the hyoid bone for you >>>>
The hyoid bone is a horseshoe-shaped bone situated in the anterior midline of the neck between the chin and the thyroid cartilage. At rest, it lies at the level of the base of the mandible in the front and the third cervical vertebra behind.
In victims of strangulation they look for this bone because it ends up broken…in cases of asphyxiation due to smothering they usually can confirm through the eyes which we know how that ended up
I thought perhaps the missing items from the body, the way the body was found, coupled with how it was spread out, and the clothing items…
and the TYPE of bones missing…
that someone who knew what they looked for in an autopsy was the party responsible for the death…I instinctively thought perhaps SOME one strangled the baby or smothered her some how, then cleaned up their track by taking out the bones like the hyoid & making sure the body was void of DNA…
I speculate that whoever was responsible for her death WANTED her remains to be found exactly in the condition they were in ..
hmmm no ossification…see I didn’t know that…hmm maybe an animal got it…Ive never researched a little baby’s murder…
no ossification…of course…
WOW BELLA yall are top notch! Thank YOU!I have learned so much from this!. I had to have my C5 C6 fused and a donor bone inserted. I literally had my throat cut. LOL I have 2 screws inserted. I told my neuro doc, did you make sure you got them tight, been accused of having a loose screw before lol! so Reading that made my throat hurt… hee hee
a hyoid bone was found in a 3.3 million-year-old skeleton of a young female Australopithecus afarensis, the same species as the famous “Lucy” fossil
So who do yall think will be on the roll today? I dont think they will be doing rebuttal tomm do yall? I just dont see since they lost all of Sat and some yesterday, how can be done and give to jury by Sat morn, maybe I wrong…..
ha! ak..your totally too kind!!!
I need some zippity for my doo-dah………
Good morning all, making coffee and going bk to read last night’s comments after I signed off.
blam
Lynn,
Going bk and rereading last night’s comments after I had to sign off and get some sleep. Thanks for bringing that article, and yes, they are very biased at WFTV. It is amazing that this post got there at all.
Tks.
blam
All,
tks for replying re what I was thinking about GA and RK connection. I was trying to determine if they were working together re the body. MOO. / tks.
HGM,
I remember, in listening to RG’s deposition that he said he called GA and told him that he was about to make a few phone calls to get things started re looking for Caylee… and I forget how he phrased it, but is there anything that I shouldknow before I start. The implication was that he had powerful connections who could make things happen or find things where others wouldn’t be able to. He def. had not one positive feeling for Ca and felt that GA had been emasculated after thegambling / money problems.
/blam
I am confused,,, dont take much lol
but arent the first 12 jurors the jury, or can judge pick random numbers? I thought it was first 12. I re read some of the info.
One of the jurors is a lawyers daughter…. I keep reading about jurour #4 because she dont think her place to judge, but maybe the lawyers daughter will see too all the holes IMO that the DT has made in the PT case….
HGM, @ 11:09??? pm
Thank you so much. that is exactly what I was looking for… a theory / idea ofhow it fits, bec I felt there had to be a connection of some sort as to how he miraculously was there and finds it from 30′ away………… nah,
Is it yours? waiting your reply.
/blam
Sorry, I didn’t meant to repost the same thing.
NTS @ 1:15am
I remember the M. fuhrman thing too. Yep, he felt confident and then the take down. I have to say that I was listening to RKyesterday and the math didn’t work for me, and I don’t know the pathway as well as you guys do. But 30′ that’s a pretty far distance to be able to say that over there, yeah over there I see a thing that looks like a skull (and a tiny one at that)….. Very suspicious to me, just on the math.
I’m hoping that they do come bk and take him down.
/blam
HGM,
Thanks for posting that link to the Levi Show and Krystal Holloway Talks Back. I listened to the first 17 min. and she was very credible to me. Very, very believable. Tk you again.
/blam
BELLA
June 29, 2011 at 5:23 am
ITA. Dissacosiation. Also did you notice in the Shirley Plesea emails how easily she dismissed Casey & CAYLEE. She called “that child” “Her child” Shirley acted as if throwing them both out into the street was acceptable. “She’ll realize when she figures out that nobody wants to put up with her & her kid” (paraphrased). I was like WOW!
Has anyone heard about Anonymous attacking Orlando?
Anonymous is an activist group that uses hacking. I read that they are upset over the people thrown in jail for feeding the homeless.
I wondered if there was a better reason for it – like tackling this corruption. I hope it puts some fear in those who’ve contributed to the corruption, if not!
~Good morning fellow seekers of truth~
wow….catching up on fantastic comments all…lol…I seem to miss a great deal when I sleep! one thing I cant slack no though…lol..throughout this trial I have ignored most other things being so engrossed here!!
Bella-
you mentioned doing work with human trafficking. I know a lady that is HUGE involved in working with that. her name is Christine Caine. You should look her up, I am friends with her on FB and have heard many a conferences she has held. There may be an oppt to work with her or her with you somehow.
Also about the BDSM site…the bdsm site is a platform for basically any and all sexually deviant fetishes….incl role play(daddy/daughter) just one example. Just anyhting creepy beyond imagination. it is a site to initiate meet and greets to put it all into play. I went there when it was mentioned and researched the menu and posted a few of the choices you could find like minded partners to engage with.Interesting to say the least.
Lets hope today’s trial will be more truth exposure!!
HGM-
I saw the Denise link, thank you….I wonder if she researched further and located those records?
Riley? You in da hause yet?
Okay, so if I’m back seeing correctly, Finnell phoned in from out of town to make a motion for mistrial based on very recent legislation.
Ashton talked case law. JP said that based on how it stands now, the motion is denied but asks Finnell to keep him posted because legislation may change further. Even says something about “if we get that far”.
I think we are seeing the first hints of a mistrial. Although we are very close to the end, aren’t we?
GM! HGM is ready for court. LOL
Misty, YW.
Also, the defense team was late today. Mason showed up at 8:40. Casey spoke for herself while waiting, although she was represented by Finnell (on the phone). The lynch mob got fueled a bit by that.
Here is why they were late:
JimLichtenstein Jim Lichtenstein
Stuck in a crush of people at the elevator. Took 15 min to get one.“@CJLOVE23: Good morning! Where’s the whole defense? #caseyanthony”
JimLichtenstein Jim Lichtenstein
Rode up with Cheney. At 8:25 prob 200 people waiting for elevators. “@shortblonde77: You’re there finally! Did you ride up w/defense team?”
Baez calls Cindy Anthony to the Stand. 9:03am.
Do you recall several years back there was an incident with your son Lee going into Casey’s room at night?
No.
Were you ever made aware of there being incidents? Objection. Sustained.
Did you ever have to deal with an issue? Objection. Sidebar.
George in courtroom. Grimmer than usual.
All three prosecutors at sidebar with Mason and Baez. Mason in his usual perch.
Sam, come on over to the new thread? That way we all can be together. LOL Today is ging to be GREAT!!
Frank George looks like he’s part of the defense team. It’s only because the court reporter is sitting between him and Ashton, but I do often wonder if that man regrets taking on this gig.
HGM-
what new thread? did I miss it?…lol
Well…Thank you so much for your insight and bringing facts to light which have been previously distorted or not mentioned at all. I have been reading your website from your very first post to your last one. Which provided great reading material and lots of new information. Just to give you a bit info on me, I also was raised not to judge others and believe nothing that you hear and only half of what you see. I have followed this story since the the first day Caylee was reported missing up until right now. I should also let you know I followed it for the first few years mainly on Nancy Grace. I guess her being such a strong advocate for childrens rights and her passion for justice…it makes it easier to believe she presenting all the facts and would have a moral obligation to due so to the public..not saying that she didn’t..but your website has opened a new view of this case, of the defendant, her family, the court system, and the media for me. And it is really scary. A real eye opening experience to say the least…you have taken me back to my roots…which is believe nothing that you hear and only half of what you see..wow… I will be back to finish this comment…been reading for six hours I need a break
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Thank you tracey and welcome.
JB
Hello! I became a KC Case fanatic later in the game, although I paid some attention to it from the first documentary on and off. I keep coming up w/all these questions which sends me on a search all over the net and always end up back here
…. I love to come and find that there are so many w/the same questions, noticing the same things and bringing even more to the plate. It’s very validating.
I’ve been breaking this case down, piece by piece and person by person and now I am revisiting Kronk.
My question was how Kronk could have come into possession of Caylee if he were the one to have put an end to her life, hypothetically speaking. The type of person we know him to be, based on his history, definitely helps get the ball of Kronk the creeper rolling…
Here it’s been mentioned time and time again that he was reading the Anthony meter 8/11/2008, yes? In my net research, he talks about how he’d done the Anthony route that first day and that got my alarm ringing…
He peed and saw a bag and a skull on day one.
He peed again coincidentally, in the same spot and found the bag ‘o’ bones and skull rolled out.
1. How did the skull start out outside of bag but then end up back in bag?
2. Clearly Kronk didn’t just “happenstance” upon the same remains while peeing for a second time in the same spot in the same woods. So why didn’t he just say he was in the area again where he had found the skull in August and wanted to check if it was still there? The fact that he still wanted them to believe his “discovery” was a surprise the second time around was overkill. RED-FLAG alert.
3. So If Kronk was meter reading the Anthony route in August, wouldn’t it make sense that he may have waited until the next time that route was scheduled to plan his “final discovery”?
4. Has anyone gotten ahold of Kronks meter routes for the months PRIOR to Caylee’s disappearance? How long had Kronk been working that route? That might reveal something.
Sorry for the looooong post!
I watched Snoops videos and just like the TV is close tot the remains scene, did anyone else notice the white square bottle as the camera swooped from the tv over? That could be the same square bottle (oil?) LE had listed in the evidence from the scene. The pavers are also on that list. The fallen tree, and there even looked to be some metallic material ( as Kronk described in his reports) in front of that fallen log. The “white board” he spoke of, was likely one of those pavers. So this would confirm that DC and Hoover WERE basically right there where Kronk saw the “bag and skull” in August. How did Kronk see the skull and not DC?
Hello catoutloud,
Always nice to see a new commenter on these old threads. I totally agree with you, the Kronk connection is the most interesting.
You really made a good point ..something I didn’t think about. His calls to 911.
You said this: Clearly Kronk didn’t just “happenstance” upon the same remains while peeing for a second time in the same spot in the same woods. So why didn’t he just say he was in the area again where he had found the skull in August and wanted to check if it was still there? The fact that he still wanted them to believe his “discovery” was a surprise the second time around was overkill. RED-FLAG alert.
Exactly!! Kronk & Suburban Drive were the driving force behind me opening up this blog. None of it makes sense. You made an excellent point. You can find all of his calls to 911 calls
on YouTube and listen to the 6 or 7 interviews with law enforcement. None of his interviews are consistent either. And just as you pointed out, he seemed to want his them to believe his discovery was a surprise.
I never could understand that either. Why not say, “hey, I was in this area in August…yada yada”
As for Kronk’s route schedule? There’s a person who comments here who found this information. We do have it somewhere on this site… Sorry not all threads are on topic..lol, we would discuss different topics at different times…
Anyway, I believe the poster who has this information is either HollysGMom or Notthatsmart. I will definitely ask around. Like you, I can’t figure out the meter man. It’s all very strange.
Thank you for dropping in and feel free to ask questions. If I don’t know the answer, I’ll try to point you in the right direction.
Catoutloud,
I forgot to add this link.
http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/to-kronk-or-not-to-kronk/
Good question.. lol
How did Kronk see the skull and not DC? IMO, that’s the problem.
Hey again, JB. Thanks for your prompt reply. I started my journey on the whole “leaving-post-comments” thing on Issues!cc, on the “George Anthony Knows the Truth” blog
. I’m known there as “CA”. Think that’s actually how I stumbled upon your site
, so you may be familiar w/my MANY MANY comments over there LOL.
So, yes. I just read the actual transcripts for Kronk’s calls. And that, right there, shows that he was not consistent in his versions of what he saw/did and in what order. He must have forgotten after 4 months exactly what he had said then. So for whatever reason, he is full of SOMETHING, right? I’m going to read the rest of the interviews very soon. I’ve got one down.
His constant reminder of “I’m a county employee and I deserve respect” was cute (gag) and pathetic at the same time. He was trying to put himself on the same level as the police LOL.
And as you said the “surprised and oh-so-traumatized” act was a little late— considering he was pretty sure he saw a skull and a “bag of bones” (you know, w/his x-ray vision and all) back in August. So what the H is w/all the “Oh my gosh darn, it just all happened so fast, I still couldn’t believe it”… REALLY? Please… Lol.
he obviously knew he was going to find that skull back in November so, yeah…
Well I’m sure you’ll be hearing more from me somewhere around here. I haven’t finished reading the 78-some comments on this blog yet!!
hey JB and nice to meet you catoutloud
and thankfully for kronk’s mysterious and always adventurous story-telling that you did do it JB, your site has brought some awesome folks together which would have otherwise not been able to meet, pretty sweet if you ask me
and kronk and his storytelling, i haven’t quite figured out if he was knowledgeable about the remains, and was more hoping to get his name out and become someone so to say, if he did indeed stumble upon them by chance then sure he would get a reward but i don’t think that was his first plan. i think only two possibilities could be relevant in regards to kronk and his involvement,
he was full of doo doo when he called the first times, and would have just made excuses if anyone really did take him seriously, it was to just get his face in the spot light, that was imho’s main goal – at first – but after time and he was able to focus more on this goal of his and not real life issues, he got more aggressive in his search to see if he could follow thru and discover her not only for notoriety but for financial gain due to the reward, fate had it that he just got lucky, and did stumble across the remains… not sure if lucky is the word, but i think u get what i mean
imho, that was his only involvement, i don’t think he was playing hide and seek with the beautiful baby girls remains, i think he just happen to be the one that finally found her. but like anyone and everyone that was not the person who placed her there, that is just my opinion and i could be totally incorrect.
happy weekend to you – sending best wishes your way you two and of course to any and all u lurkers
CatOutLoud,
Kronk is the biggest mystery of all. For starters, he calles early in the search. Where are the search teams, how did they miss it? They keep saying it was storming. NO, the storms came later and with storms that blow substances all over the place, it looks like it would have been blown in all areas around there. When we have a storm that’s how it is.
Second the 911 calls are still anmd will always be a mystery to me because when the state played a 911 call in court it was not Kronk and the lady said something like Oh my when they said something about Caylee, the little girl missing. The state kept Kronk’s name out of the opening and really didn’t want his name brought up, EVEN though he was the one that found the body.
Also, I understood that the state paid for Kronk’s lawyer, which I’m surprised that they didn’t ask for Casey to pay his lawyer. WHY not?? He was going to sue, but who was he going to sue? Casey?
For some reason, I have a strong feeling that he knew George Anthony, not personally, but since George didn’t work and walkied around a lot I have a feeling that they were on hello terms and may be beyond that. Also, I think one time I read that he had been a bounty hunter himself. There’s a whole lot about Kronk, I don’t care if he is a reader meter. That doesn’t make him God.
How did he get by with so much and why didn’t they get his phone records? He also called his boss.
Why did they and why are they still protecting him.
Even smart people that say they want justice for Caylee take up for the poor meter reader.
Also his son calling him a month before Dec. when he knew what he was going to find.
Plus he says some didn’t want to go into those woods because of the snakes, YET he goes in there to take a leak.
The LE in my opinion are protecting him for some reason. I can’t get this one out of my head either.
I agree, SpiderGirl– about JB’s site bringing like-minds to one place
. Nice to meet you as well.
I just don’t think Kronk found her after his reports— in the same place he had reported her to be, at least. I think he found her there in Aug. and when he wasn’t taken seriously, he decided he’d better make sure no one else found her, and took that bag ‘o’ bones w/him until he was ready to try again. This would explain why no one found her, that went out in that same area after him. OR he did not find her there, but placed her there, since it was a place of interest that would help keep the suspicion upon Casey. But then the question would be, “How did he come in to possession in the first place, and WHERE did he first find her?”
He told LE in an interview that he had been a bail bondsman and a bounty hunter in the past… I did not know this until then… That kind of changes things as far as how he may have become connected, at least as far as possibilities go. Don’tcha think?
JB, I clicked your link and it took me to an error page? Confused. Did you post the wrong link? I’m new to this whole “wordpress” thing so you may have to s’plain a few things for me. LOL.
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Yes Catoutloud,
Too funny, it was a huge error on my part. I just caught it. My apologies.
http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/to-kronk-or-not-to-kronk/
JB
LOL, Lolypop, we were commenting at the same time about Kronk having been a bounty hunter. I think IF he had some involvement w/Caylee’s demise, it COULD maybe have been as simple as he’s a creeper child molester and he does routes in the Anthony ‘hood, therefore spotted Caylee and targeted her, stalked the house til he had his chance to grab her. BUT then we don’t have an explanation for how Casey handled the whole thing… So IDK if that one fits.
So he may have known George somehow. Maybe they were both into little girls? Mmmmm… IDK. I mean we can assume Kronk likes little girls, but can’t be too sure about George so… But I would have to guess that would be the type of thing that would link the two. OR maybe they met at a bar? Who knows? I mean there WAS that HUGE child porn ring busted… WAS that around the same time? Could they both have been involved somehow? REACHING? lol
Why didn’t they take him seriously? Look how close it was to the home and they know Caylee’s missing. With his description, it looks like there would have been as much from the sheriffs dept, investigators and everything just like in Dec.
I don’t understand why that one call in Dec. and they’re all over the place out there YET the same guy calls 3/4 time in Aug and nothing? What changed in Dec.
that wasn’t the same in Aug.
AND why no one out there from August to DEc.?
In one of the calls in Aug. the lady tells him not to touch it and he says that he hasn’t when he did. WHY didn’t anyone follow up? THere were hundreds searching.
TES says they couldn’t search in water, they sure searched in water for Natalie Holloway and Haleigh Cummings.
Reaching? I don’t think so, you could be really close here CatOutLoud.
lol, that is funny about him being a bounty hunter. When I wrote that, I knew I had read it somewhere, but can’t recall where it was. Glad you read it too.
You know, hate to say this, BUT bounty hunter and not all searchers, BUT it only takes one bad one to get involved in a way that I’m thinking. I don’t know how to word this, but for a predator, he could just fit right in and how would anyone know.
I know there are a lot of good people that really want to do good, but how would you know a predator when you see one. I mean this would be an opportunity. They take every advantage they can.
I know that’s reaching too, but what do we have? A meter reader that had a lawyer, paid for by the state of Florida. I really find that strange.
OMG… madness and crazy-making business this is, trying to figure out all the unsolved mysteries w/in the mystery!
How much crazier would it really be to find out that all of this happened because of a huge ring of child-sex offenders that somehow connected to Caylee?? LOL. Not funny, but funny at the same time.
I HAVE really been suspecting that Casey was involved in the sex industry somehow… Maybe that would explain the lies about where she worked? Not sure about that one yet. But that would mean we have to consider the fact that CASEY may have been the one to get Caylee involved. I’m not really ready to go there, yet. I would like to believe that she did not kill her baby in cold-blood, if she did at all. I always go back to the comments of hers about ” having left Caylee w/ someone I trusted”… It stands out to me as more truthful than the majority of what else she told LE and others… Hmmmm.
Well, Caylee seemed always happy and
not afraid when she was with Casey.
I think it would have shown.
I have such a strange feeling that she didn’t know where she was. I don’t know what really happened that morning, but it isn’t uncommon to have seizure related problems mostly in the morning.
I think Cindy and George know more and I know there are things Casey may have seemed strange about, but George and Cindy really are too “confused” about the days they last saw her. Also very strange about the car.
Of course these are just things that I think. It’s way too big and the other thing is why put Casey in jail so fast?
And for 3 years?
We will always have more questions, but it sure is good to have a place to come and no matter how strange it may sound, talk about it and hope that one day we will know the answers.
So good to have you here with more questions and answers too. It helps.
I believe there’s no other way to explain it, than that Kronk had her somewhere. That’s the only thing that makes any kind of sense. How, I don’t know!Thanks for the input. JB does work hard to have a great site. I’m so appreciative to have found her myself.: )I do think like you that she felt she had her with someone she trusted, but can’t bring herself to that hard fact, it may be someone too close to her. Some times denial is a protection and we grab on to it and hold on as long as we can because reality can be a killer.
Maybe there really is more to Vasco too.
I guess we will never know.
Vasco has never fully left my thoughts…. Again, just TOO MANY COINCIDENCES to be ALL JUST COINCIDENCES, you know?
I, too, often find myself back to considering that Casey did not know exactly what happened. I do think that the story she told was concocted at the house, among the family, w/what time they had before LE finally arrived. We know she lied about quite a few things for some time prior to all this mess and tragedy. The job, the nanny, the two make believe friends, Jeff and Juliet, the theft, that she was going to school and going to buy a house and so on… This sounds to me like someone wanting so badly to appear as if she was all grown up and had it all together. She needed to be accepted. She was not very mature for her age and she WAS only 22, as it was so…
Def glad I can come here to vent (w/FEEDBACK!)
. Thanks for bouncing ideas around w/me! Until next time..
It is nice to visit these old threads again.
As for Zaneida, remember when Casey’s friend used that name in relation to traffic tickets? I wonder what that was about. Wasn’t it well before Caylee was murdered?
I also thought Kronk had some connection to the jail. Was he not living with a woman who worked there? I could be wrong, but I suspect Kronk was recruited to find the remains. I just don’t know by who.
My theory is still that GA killed Caylee with chloroform in the bedroom. Then he staged a drowning and threw Casey under the bus. Perhaps he recruited Kronk to find the remains so that Casey would get the death penalty and his secrets would die with her.
I agree CatOutLoud. JB’s a great place. There’s actually conversation or provocative thoughts and opinions, not just name calling.
I think Casey needed to feel accepted, probably never was. I was shocked when Cindy said she was more lenient with Lee, harder on Casey. I didn’t quiet understand why she said that. And for George and Cindy to say they didn’t notice her looking pregnant, meant they probably never noticed anything about her.
Like you said too many coincidences, and NOT really any investigation.Cindy smells the car before she picks up Casey and wants her to be arrested for stealing her own car? NO mention to Casey about any smell.
SHe had plenty of time to talk to her about the care, where they found it, how it smelt???
They did set her up. Had to be it.
Sam,
I believe the same thing.
That explains the “attemted” suicide also.
George didn’t attempt suicide, he wanted pity and got it.
He couldn’t be in control dead. He
still wanted to manipulate Casey.
If my daughter had been in the same position, I couldn’t help but run up and hug her.
Casey was never loved, but she wanted to give Caylee the love of a Mother like she didn’t get and I believe she was a really good Mom.
Catoutloud, welcome. I have most of the docs and can email anything you need to JB to pass along. Just let me know. Kronk’s time records and June 16 route begins on doc page 20,392. I’ve written about it here somewhere, along with how long it would take him to get back to headquarters and that he could go past the A neighborhood to do it. They didn’t release much of his phone material, just pics I think. He has a dog similar to the As.
Sam, the friend wasn’t using the name. She got a ticket the same day as a ZG, if I remember correctly. This isn’t the ZG with the civil suit. She abandoned the fine after paying part of it. I suspect she was an illegal or just didn’t have a license to present. I’d love to know why she didn’t finish paying after investing money. That last payment was the day Casey was arrested on the murder charge and I always wondered if that is why she disappeared. Many were blogging about her, saying it was Casey using her name but that isn’t possible. I’ve seen the paperwork and the ticket didn’t even happen in Orlando. Imaginations can run wild.
As for Kronk, there were rumors started by Padilla, I believe. None of his rumors have panned out so I doubt that one is true either. Remember how he carried on about terpenes? Anytime there is an evergreen around, pine, etc, or cleaning fluids like pinesol, you’re going to find them. But he was determined that was going to prove Casey was in the woods on Suburban drive.
Did anyone ever explain the plastic bag buried I think in that old house in that video of Dom Casey and JJ? The one that was played in the trial where a physic was suppose to be on phone with DC.