And So the Trial of Casey Anthony Begins!!
Its official! As of Friday, May 20, 2011 after almost 2 weeks of jury selection, opening statements will begin Tuesday, May 24, 2011 at 9am. The much awaited trial of Casey Marie Anthony will take place at the Orange County Courthouse. Presiding Judge Belvin Perry Jr. along with 12 seated jurors and 5 alternates will hopefully come to a final decision in a 1st degree murder indictment that State Attorney Jeff Ashton deemed as fit.
The indictment is 1st degree murder with death penalty pending. Casey Anthony has pleaded not guilty of the unclassified murder of her beautiful 2½ year old daughter, Caylee Marie Anthony. The trial is expected to last at least 6 weeks.
As I reflect on TheJBmission.wordpress.com blog I’m amazed and stoically proud of our accomplishments as we meticulously probed into every minute detail and aspect of this case. I think this case has been a true learning experience for me and I feel as though I’m ready to take the Louisiana Bar Exam.
Wow Almost 3 Years!!
If ever I have the opportunity, it would be a privilege to shake the hand of Jose Baez. As Casey Anthony’s lead defense attorney he has portrayed himself as a courteous, well-mannered and a true gentleman in the face of the worst condemnation I’ve ever witnessed upon an Officer of the Court of Law.
He is a perfect example of what every lawyer should strive to be, an immovable believer in his client’s innocence and their Constitutional right to a fair trial.
It would also be an honor to shake the hand of Cheney Mason, Ann Finnell and Dorothy Sims who had the fortitude to stand up and help their fellow colleague Jose Baez when he stood alone and other colleagues chose to write disparaging news articles about his personal life and his defense of his client Casey Anthony.
As I’ve tried to convey to anyone who has asked, my focus isn’t only on Casey Anthony and the consequent bizarre charge of 1st degree murder in the unclassified death of her daughter but also on the enormity of other injustices in our country due to the unashamed media whose objective is to try and convict presumably innocent citizens and/or suspects in order to sell commercial ads at a thousand dollars a slot depending on how sensational they write their stories. Their crime is that they take advantage on the public’s belief in their journalism which makes them ever more irresponsible for their actions. In some cases, lives have been ruined.
With the investigation, hearings and motions behind us and the actual trial soon to begin, kardan, a blogger who occasionally comments here gave me an idea for this thread. He/she suggested that I observe this trial in a new light, as a virgin so to speak. I should clear my mind of the 20,000 pages of documents I’ve dissected, the numerous news articles I’ve been forced fed, all of George and Cindy Anthony televised interviews, the last 48 Hours Special and most importantly any Nancy Grace segments that introduced me and thousands of other viewers to this case. As instructed by Judge Perry, I’ll keep in mind that the Defense doesn’t have to prove anything or point to someone else but to simply raise reasonable doubt. The State has the burden of proof.
So as not to confuse anyone, I’ll become commenter “Juror 209″ but of course the JB Mission will have her opinions too. It might be fun. Feel free to join in as a pseudo juror. Give yourself a name or a number and be sure your juror persona is aware of the unwritten rules that we’ve all managed to follow. Please be polite and as always, no name calling or derogatory remarks toward others who comment here. Remember nobody wants to be that snarky juror.
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Meet the 12 Seated Jurors
1.) Juror #1398
- Female, 67, Worked in counseling for 35 years
- Has a son and daughter, three grandchildren
- Gets News from TV
- Served on the jury for a murder trial
- Used to work in nursing, has smelled a dead body
2.) Juror #1019
- Male, African-American, IT Specialist
- Married, 2 children, girl, 4, boy, 9
3.) Juror #1055
- Female, 32, Nursing student
- Single, no children, youngest of 5 siblings
- Never served on a jury
- Didn’t know about the case until recently
- Never been a victim of a crime
4.) Juror #1319
- Female, African-American,
- Admitted few friends
- No opinion for or against death penalty
5.) Juror #1429
- Female, retired, was a nurse’s aid
- Divorced 14 yrs ago, lives with boyfriend of 12 yrs
- Doesn’t own a computer
- 3 children, ages 52, 49 and 48, 3 grandchildren
- Son, grandson have had trouble with drugs
6.) Juror #1025
- Male, 33, chef
- Married, 6 yr-old son, daughter is 21 wks old
- Parents live in Flagler
- Watches sports and sitcoms on TV
- Gets news from phone
7.) Juror #1007
- Female, 41, office worker
- Divorced, born in Miami, works in child welfare
- Has one younger sister
- Was a victim of armed burglary in 1990
- Mother is a real estate lawyer
8.) Juror #3015
- Female, service rep for Verizon
- Married, 2 sons; ages 27 and 23
- Recent kidney transplant
- Father worked in law enforcement in NJ
- Youngest son attended Full Sail
9.) Juror #3185
- Male, 53, unemployed
- Single, no children, 2 sisters, 2 brothers
- Enjoys photography
- Watches PBS, Discovery, History channel
- Nephew recently became Manatee Co deputy
10.) Juror #3310
- Male, 57, retention specialist for Verizon
- Single, no children, has brother and sister
- Little knowledge of case
- Doesn’t watch much TV news, likes TVLand
- No opinion on death penalty
11.) Juror #3016
- Male, teaches high school, PE and Health
- No children, has 2 dogs, 1 sister, 1 brother
- Uncle is retiring from the FBI
- Working towards Master’s degree in Special Ed
- No feeling against the death penalty
12.) Juror #3140
- Female, works at Publix as a cook
- Married for 2nd time, daughter, adopted son
- Retiring in September
- Doesn’t watch much news, doesn’t have cable
- Not familiar with computers
Meet the 5 Alternates
1.) Juror #3093
- Female, 48, surgical technician
- Married, husband out of work, 2 grown children
- Served on a civil case jury
- Likes watching sports and history channel
- Makes yarn and weaves
2.) Juror #3170
- Male, teacher, married for four years
- 1 son from previous marriage
- 2 teenage stepchildren
- Is originally from Cincinnati
- Never served on a jury
3.) Juror #4013
- Female, cashier at car dealership
- Widower, mother to 12-yr-old son
- Followed case on TV
- Husband was in jail on drug charges
- No opinion on death penalty
4.) Juror #4192
- Male, 25, carpenter
- Single, half-brother and sister
- Lives with parents
- Once charged with drug possession
- Visited Orlando before for theme parks, magic game
5.) Juror #3308
- Male, 39, water plant operator for St. Pete
- Married, no children, has 3 dogs
- In Coast Guard for 12 yrs
- Had plane and baseball tickets to see Grandma
- Never served on a jury
Carpe Diem
Lastly, I wholeheartedly pray that this trial will be judicially fair, unbiased and factually presented. I pray that the presiding Judge will heed to his oath that ensures Casey Anthony’s right under the Constitution VI Amendment, her right to a fair trial and justice for her precious daughter Caylee Marie Anthony.
The Sixth Amendment (Amendment VI) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights which sets forth rights related to criminal prosecutions. The Supreme Court has applied the protections of this amendment to the states through the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
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Sources:
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/27927106/detail.html
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/27977507/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/news/27970154/detail.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
thejbmission~
Here are the holes I need filled…
What did GA and Casey do with Caylee’s body after discovering her in the pool?
Why was there duct tape with the remains, around the skull? (red herring?)
How did Roy Kronk obtain the body?
Does Leonard Padilla fit in here anywhere?Remember what a know it all he was? Always being “100% sure’ that Caylee’s remains would be in this place or that place, etc Wonder what, if anything, he might have known?
Can anyone force GA to take a paternity test? At this point, I really need to know who fathered that baby. That is going to answer some questions right there.
I wonder if GA will try to harm himself again? That would be very telling.
How much (if anything) did Cindy know? I didn’t see her reacting to JB’s opening statement. I , personally, audibly gasped outloud. (reduntant sentence, I know). I noticed she was crying but I also saw her put her hand on GA’s hand. So, what’s up with that?
IMO – If this is all true, which I very well think it fits and think it could be the whole story – I think at first cindy was an innocent bystander. I think that’s why she said the pool latter was moved and she thought someone was swimming in the pool, she put that together on her own. She just didn’t know she hit on something. Her 911 call was sincere, she sounded very panicked, if she got to casey while george was at work, george wouldn’t be there to confer with casey on what to say when 911 was called and casey blamed the nanny. I fully believe when the accident happened george said we’ll put duct tape on her and say it was a kidnapping but maybe didn’t plan on much more details than that and when cindy got casey casey had to improvise cuz george wasn’t around, remember george and cindy both went to work after picking up the car but cindy was sent home. When george came home cindy is panicked and is crying that the nanny took caylee but george sounds calm and just says what it is recorded on 911. Casey doesn’t want to talk to 911 because she doesn’t know what to say. One lie leads to another cuz casey is at a loss. Later when casey is put in jail, and asked which one she wants to be with in a private visit, she picks george, I think because he is the orcastrator and it’s the first time she has alone with him since she is caught by cindy.
IMO – If this is all true, which I very well think it fits and think it could be the whole story – I think at first cindy was an innocent bystander. I think that’s why she said the pool latter was moved and she thought someone was swimming in the pool, she put that together on her own. She just didn’t know she hit on something. Her 911 call was sincere, she sounded very panicked, if she got to casey while george was at work, george wouldn’t be there to confer with casey on what to say when 911 was called and casey blamed the nanny. I fully believe when the accident happened george said we’ll put duct tape on her and say it was a kidnapping but maybe didn’t plan on much more details than that and when cindy got casey casey had to improvise cuz george wasn’t around, remember george and cindy both went to work after picking up the car but cindy was sent home. When george came home cindy is panicked and is crying that the nanny took caylee but george sounds calm and just says what it is recorded on 911. Casey doesn’t want to talk to 911 because she doesn’t know what to say. One lie leads to another cuz casey is at a loss. Later when casey is put in jail, and asked which one she wants to be with in a private visit, she picks george, I think because he is the orcastrator and it’s the first time she has alone with him since she is caught by cindy
JB – I have another comment MIA, I tried to post it twice. Thanks!
Will write more later —-but —- me thinks Padilla is a **hore — whatever — still havingwine ’cause this is all too amazing–BUT –JOSE MAKES SO MUCH SENSE —-
ok I’m an idiot, I did not click on the newer comments link lol. Ignore my MIA comment remark, and sorry for the duplicate post!
what time did Caylee Anthony really die on June 16, 2008
Casey’s flurry of cellphone calls on June 16th, 2008
3:03pm – George Anthony’s Cell (67 min to the next call) *Casey’s father
4:10pm – Cindy Anthony’s Work (1 minutes to the next call) *Casey’s mother
4:11pm – Cindy Anthony’s Cell (2 minutes to the next call) *
4:13pm – Cindy Anthony’s Cell (1 minutes to the next call) *
4:14pm – Cindy Anthony’s Work (5 minutes to the next call) *
4:19pm – Anthony Lazzaro (2 minutes to the next call) *Casey’s Boyfriend
4:21pm – Jesse Grund (3 minutes to the next call) *Casey’s ex-Boyfriend
4:24pm – Cindy Anthony’s Cell (8 minutes to the next call) *Casey’s mother
6:32pm – The Anthony Home (1 minute to the next call) *Casey’s mother and father’s house
6:33pm – Voicemail (33 minutes to the next call) *
7:06pm – The Anthony Home (14 minutes to the next call) *Casey’s mother and father’s house
7:20pm – Amy Huizenga (? anymore calls after that) *Casey’s close friend at the time
Things that make you go Hmmmmmm…..
Here’s one thing I don’t understand, it’s the 31 days, if something did happen to caylee and it was an accident and it caused casey to keep track of it by days (counting) cuz she specifically says 31 days, like she was counting the days (and I have always questioned this and I still am) the dates still don’t add up. The 911 call was made on july 15th, so even if caylee drowned in the pool on the 16th and casey counted that day as day 1, the 16th to the 15th is only 30 days, however the 15th which is the day they have her actually reported missing would be 31 days which is what I have said that they made that day to make the 31 days fit. But the accident on the 16th doesn’t fit casey’s statement of 31s days.
JB quite some time ago..I wrote a very detailed lengthy comment in regards
to her home life..In regards to her actions and state of mind..I talked
about the family individually. I talked about the perhaps
of the choking incident for ..And sexual abuse for.. I talked
about emotional, physical and sexual abuse. And possible
sexual abuse of Caylee as well.
That is when I posted several links to promiscuity,and other behaviors related to sexual, and other abuses
I also put the video of Caylee in her highchair being video taped and someone
went under the chair and focused on her crotch…Comments pertaining to that
was that is that it was an innocent video taken by Casey.
Back then no-one took well to my comment..protective of the Anthony
family. Except I think You. We had a discussion on the leg of the person
taking that video and agreed that the leg of that person..was much to large
for Casey.
I was listening to the radio..but didn’t Baez..bring up who fed Caylee
breakfast?
Yes the shorts were striped shorts she was found in. Also the outfit
GA describes her in in his LE interview..is the same outfit their friends
who seen her at the store approx 3 days prior to that at the Orange/
Seminole county line..said she was wearing. Exactly! So I find
that a little coincidental!
Ok, Now..how about the DT touch DNA??????
I just finished watching Ga testimony with the State. They play it down and ask him questions about his life. They find fond memories for him to reminise. He still looks like a firecracker ready to explode to me. When he says he wasn’t home, Kc is shaking her head no and she looks very upset about it.
I am still looking for JB cross. I do not expect Jb to ask GA the tough questions. Save that for CM, he has a lot of experience with confrontation. I think they will play good cop bad cop throughout the trial. CM said on in sessions, he can’t wait to expose the liars. They are setting GA up to expose his own lies. I don’t think the state can come in and talk about the good ol days and fond memories and defuse all of JB’s statements in the opening. Its not that simple.
Problem for the state is that the accident story fits. The 31 days and the Nanny are trumped forever. The Anthony’s really didn’t look all that surprised. I want to know when the state found out about this defense theory. Did the defense come to them a long time ago about this? Does anyone know?
Well, the DT wasn’t feeding us any BS when they said we’d all be shocked but they said George and Cindy would be devastated and I don’t think either looked devastated or surprised. Baez was quite believable, for the most part, as was Casey. But I had some reservations. George didn’t do well if telling the truth, IMO. He seemed to be skirting and lying on several occasions, especially about Casey’s style of weight gain when working out. No one in their right mind would think that pic showed anything other than a very pregnant woman. But some very old fashioned people would rather live in a fantasy world of denial rather than face their daughter being pregnant and not married. Baez’ point was well taken too on not remembering what his wife wore yesterday but remembering for a month what his granddaughter wore, unless he has a fixation with Caylee. Yes, Virgos can be very good recalling details but if clothing is their thing it will not only be applied to one or two people unless there is a different motive. Many things go on in families that no one every has any idea about, but, is that true in this family?
I recall Lee’s paternity test, none for George. It concerned me to see such a strong Pluto connection between George and Caylee but that would be expected if their greatest connection involved a death that is experienced as an intense loss. In fact I had even begun writing something to GasCan a few days ago about how I could see that he might suspect George but that I really didn’t see enough to make that kind of judgement. Insest is a very difficult and complicated thing to judge and I really haven’t looked to closely for it. Perhaps I will now if I get time.
Casey was clearly on her phone regularly from when George said she left forward. If Baez is telling the truth then it happened sometime before 4:10 when Casey started making that shotgun style series of calls trying to reach her mom. Either she suddenly felt the urge to share the horrible story to her mom and then later changed her mind, when she couldn’t reach her, or she had another reason for trying to reach her mom. It certainly wasn’t to ask her to sit for Caylee. Those calls must play some part in this if he is claiming this happened on June 16. But, he is saying it was in the early morning hours.
Casey sends a text as her first activity after a period of rest, at 8:46:34 and then nothing until 11:47:30 when TL calls and they talk for 19 minutes and then is on the phone pretty regularly from then on. Now, I can’t believe she would just grow through something as devastating as Baez is describing then chat with TL. I don’t care how well she has learned the state of denial. Besides, there is no explanation of what they did with her or how Kronk got a hold of her. Now, the part about Kronk does make sense, perhaps. A long long time ago I realized George had shifted his schedule for the tent and when I looked at Kronk’s schedule I thought it was so he could be home to watch when the meter reader came, looking for a person that would possibly have seen Caylee and kidnapped her. You see, the time of the flurry of calls made me wonder, speculate about the possibility that she was snatched out of her yard, playing while Casey or George was busy with other things. But, I don’t recall the details now, of what led me into that line of thinking. I think it was an interview of the person that helped with the tent, saying it had been set up during one group of hours but then at such and such a time, George changed it. That was the only reason I could think of he’d change the time unless he thought there’d be more traffic other times.
When I first began to hear what Baez was saying, my first instinct was disappointment because it seemed like he was making up a story that couldn’t be proven or disproven. When I read the jail notes I thought she might be making it up in order to have some extra mitigating circumstances to help out, should it get that far. It doesn’t make sense that they wouldn’t tell the state the real story. But then I thought, what if George wouldn’t back up her story? She would be the one not believed because she’d already lied. The state had no interest in pursuing an accidental death investigation and had dug their heels in. So it started to make more sense. But, I have to say, using my judgment tool of choice, I found very little to lead me to believe this story is the real story and even less believe the state’s story is true. The state’s appears to be pure fantasy. The defense’s statement appears to be a way to try to make sense of the details as best they can, part true but some left out and some perhaps not true. One thing that made me doubt them, as juror 222 is when Baez said in the early morning or afternoon, no, it was the early morning hours that Caylee came up missing and they searched for her frantically, only to find her dead in the pool. Now, it might just be that he hadn’t put all the details into memory but that seemed off to me. I’ll have to look more closely at the potential incest allegation. If it is made up, George doesn’t look like a cooperative participant.
I see my first comment is MIA but I also wanted to add that an accidental drowning does fit quite well. There are just a couple of details that seem to be missing.
Yes, perhaps the details that only GA knows. Kc made it clear that she did not know where Caylee was. JB said to KB a long time ago, your in lala land, Kc was never in those woods. I think if the defense takes it slow and starts punching holes in the states case, GA may just come around at some point. MOO
I totally understand what happened, and how it happened,
but I will never understand how GA could be so friggin selfish and ignorant!!
I do not believe *YET* that GA molested Casey,, because her letters only support her suspicions and that she allowed GA alone with Caylee.
( I whole-heartedly believe Lee did molest her)
I think it’s a good defense to help make the jury understand why Caseys ways of coping and actions are not so normal but I think there were better ways to prove this such as Cindys control and never accepting anything less than perfect.
Anyways……
Minus the sexual abuse and lies, I lived a life similar to Caseys life til my son was 17 months old.
Not long ago I talked about how Casey said, “Caylee is all of ours”
George got up with Caylee most mornings and got Caylee breakfast then
Casey had Caylee all day til Cindy got home then
Cindy had Caylee in the evenings til she put her to bed
So Casey was ASSUMING the norm……
Dad was watching Caylee like every other morning…
I also said, “Assuming can be very dangerous!”
So IMO Casey was not so much neglectful, as she was trusting
remember the words spoken,,, trust NO one …..only yourself
- Diary of Days
I trusted her with somebody–somebody that had been taking care of her–that had been taking good care of her. Someone that she was comfortable with; someone that I was comfortable with.”
- Casey Anthony , police interrogation
I know George was not originally responsible for Caylee but once the daily routine was established, he slowly adopted the a.m. caregiver shift and is more so at fault than Casey.
I think he knew this and knew Cindy would more so blame him so he turned the table on his traumatized daughter, protecting himself from the wrath of the all mighty Cindy.
Holes in the defense theory:
How did RK get Caylee? Well that depends on where GA put Caylee. Probably same woods only farther in. Hypothetically speaking, GA was in a position to meet RK on route. GA was always home during meter reader time. Perhaps July 9th or 10th, which ever was meter reader day. Was the gambling so bad that perhaps they could split the reward? One could say the public didn’t know of Caylee missing July 9th, but certainly someone knew.
One could easily walk out the back side of that fence and put her in the middle of those woods. Ask someone later to dispose of the body since he couldn’t do it himself without being watched. You can’t tell me that GA has not walked those woods out the back side. Let me remind those of you that may have forgotten RK words to effect. (not exact)
Its a swampy area and it smells, it could cover the smell
Its hidden in the woods where no one could see
Its during a time when school was out and there was no traffic
I just kind of put 2 and 2 together. She said she was close.
These are not the thoughts of a 21 year old young mother. These are the thoughts of someone who has knowledge about investigations. Someone who knows to remove the witness element.
Is it possible that GA put Caylee in the middle of the woods, and RK moved her to the front? That RK found her on his own, but had no excuse to be that deep into the woods and swamp? So he moved her up by the road so he could discover her without suspicion? It seems to me that if someone were motivated by 200 thousand dollars, they are likely to go deeper into the woods to look. These are all hypotheticals and theory and I have no knowledge that any of it happened. MOO Just pondering
All I have to say is from a jurors point of view? Mr. Baez did a fantastic job…….
And from GCG’s point of view? I wonder why Cindy is still sitting next to that POS husband of hers….See u tomorrow…
GB CAYLEE!
Before I go….RK has a link to GA thru THE PI,,,MOO…..Probably
a gambling buddy or an associate along those lines….JMOO////
I did not see GA take the stand, if anyone has a link i’d appreciate it. InSessions ended @ 3pm….
I am soooo angry at nancy grace! I never watch her, I just happened to hear her because I left the channel on after watching HLN. She was saying basically how wonderful george is and how the casey threw him under the bus, but that’s not the worse part! She said the prosecution can prove that the duct tape was put on after caylee was dead so the drowning theory is bogus, she said they know this because the jaw bone was still intact and also because caylees hair was in the duct tape. Last time I checked jaw bones and hair don’t fall off the body right after a person dies nancy! If the duct tape was applied immediatly after death I don’t see how they could prove if she was alive or dead when it was applied. Another thing she said was that casey tried to have her parents thrown out of the court room (meaning not wanting them in there for the trial) making it sound like she was a terrible person for that and because it was so they wouldn’t hear the sexual abuse accusations. As a former prosecutor and seriously this is one of the reasons why she probably failed as a prosecutor, she should know that the defense didn’t want them in the court room, and they should not be allowed in the court room because they are WITNESSES! witnesses are not allowed in the court room for the trial! Is she an idiot or what?! They are so worried about the jury being tainted, what about witness testimony being tainted?! I feel that their being allowed in the court room for the trial is grounds for an appeal! I’m so mad right now.
Juror 2310 – I found this on youtube, it’s titled casey anthony trial day 1 part 30, it has george on the stand, but when it starts he is in the middle of his testimony, you will probably have to go back and look for part 29 and maybe farther back but this is a start.
GasCan…..
How’d you come up with your Juror number???
Just wondering because 2310 is my very special number.
JB, I must have said something wrong. I still don’t see my post from earlier this evening. I pointed out a couple of things that seemed off to me, with some detail about the phone record for June 16.
I agree that Casey does show some of the signs of an abusive history. It just didn’t make sense that she would write those jail notes having to know they would be seen and exposed. I had a feeling the defense told her to write them in order to add some mitigating circumstances. But maybe I’m wrong. Also, if this whole thing is true, why did she react the way she did when Caylee was found. Too many missing details still.
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Sorry
ooops..Is it 8:06? That’s the only one I found Zub..I’ll keep looking for others..I found one of mine too
You can find all 12 parts here: http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html
Steph, yes I would say you are a little mad! That is exactly why I stopped watching NG she makes everybody sound maen and hateful when in reality she is the one that is mean and hateful.
I just started watching the trial! Poor Casey she looks petrified(sp?) I can’t imangine what she is feeling!
Steph- I find it crazy that NG was talking so good about George. Not long ago she was hateful towards him!
Hi all, I am still trying to absorb and think as Snoop
let alone a juror LOL..I even had to take a little nap.
Rest my brain Haha
Gas Can G…This much I know for sure..Baez did a Great
job!..He was so good, that he offered to take a break..
and the jury said NO ..they wanted him to continue!!!!!!!!!!!
Link for today’s trial Part 1-13
http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html
I went over to WS and saw that their pole shows only a few have changed their minds, and have some doubt now. Well of course, thats because they have no minority over there. These people hate Kc so much, they are willing to do anything to get her convicted of murder. The disrespect for JB continues, even though his opening statements were one of the best ever. This is my first opportunity to see a trial like this where the defense offers a complete different theory. At some point while CM is cross examining GA, I believe he may plead the fifth. I would like to discuss his motives for holding the secrets. What does he have to lose by telling the truth at this point.
His reputation of course, but what else?
Can he be sued to high heavens for withholding information during a very important investigation?
Collecting money to find an alive Caylee?
Could he serve jail time?
Divorce?
RE: Duct tape, If I heard correctly Burdick stated that “no one else but Casey had access to anything that led to Caylee’s death” (meaning the duct tape) Absolutely, not true!
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I am wondering if at some point in the trial cindy will incriminate george, whether george pleads the 5th or not, who is more important to cindy, her daughter, or a husband that she had wanted to divorce anyway but backed out of because she was afraid of losing the house? Their marriage was not very strong to begin with, I am wondering who cindy will choose.
Zuben..OH..Didn’t see you posted that link..I was giving to
gascang..and I posted it go back and about 5 new comments..
I wish we could get your comment through..I am interested!
I think the Baez did an excellent job!..I think that yes,
there are some things that we do not know yet..And
basically the same questions being asked here..and
whatever you had in the phone pings etc.
What is my take on that, as I still try to absorb and think?
I think Baez caused “Reasonable Doubt”..My client today..
who has been adamant the Casey killed Caylee..because
of the 31 days, actions, and if she didn’t who did…
Today, when I couldn’t take it..LOL and just had to see
Baez opening..I told her he was going to tell all in 3 minutes.LOL
She’s like yeah, ok..So she turns on the TV (wink..got my way)
She is freaking out now..She was hooked line and sinker..
She said WOW this is SO terrible..WOW I now have “REASONABLE
DOUBT”..!!!!! Later, this woman..whom cared nothing except
KC is guilty..text me on my phone to tell me she was listening
to her car radio and GA was on the stand already.LOL
Which is WAY cool that they are broadcasting the trial here
on the radio! I can listen while I’m driving!!!
Anyway I do agree there are things still amiss..But it
was the start that the Defense team needed!..NOW,
having said that..to be honest..
I think we will see MORE twists and Turns from the Defense!!
I expect it BIG TIME!
In fact…In my honest opinion..GA and the Opening
today..HAD to be said in opening statement..But
I suspect that we have some more surprises!
PS>>>>>>>>>>>>..
I thought the attorneys were not suppose to be doing
what JA was doing..in every part I watched..Shaking his
head smirking..Chuckling during the entirety of Baez
opening. He can not be professional about anything?
Steph: to be a fly on the wall tonight when she calls lee about this. What is he going to say about fondling Kc? You know, if he says he did, then jurors may think the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. Lee has been out of the loop for a long time. I wonder if he discovered the truth awhile back and just washed his hands of it all.
Many majority opinionators have said today that they were following along with Jb, but when he threw RK under the bus, they all stopped believing him. I think it is important that the DT does this. No hiding anything, lets get the whole truth out on the table. Using the tape measure was an awesome idea. He showed the Jury just how close to the road Caylee actually was. And it makes sense that she was put there later to be found. It appears that the defense is saying that RK motive to move the body was money. I think they can prove that he was pursuing money. I would like to remind everyone that this isn’t the first time that RK called 911 and reported something in the woods that wasn’t there. He did it a few years ago with ilegal weapons. I think it may be his way of pointing suspicion away from him. yeah yeah yeah, i told you it was here, i called this back in august, now wheres my reward.
His words: oh heck no, there was a 235 thousand dollar reward out there, why would I tell anyone ?
Ya know what? Roy has to eat too.
Another thing. lol RK pinged the A tower on June 18th all my opinion only
ok so I STILL have the same channel nancy grace was on and now Joy Behar is on and I’ve never seen this woman before that I can recall but I like her! She is saying how George just threw casey under the bus today (totally opposite what nancy said). Some lady countered her and said well it’s his granddaughter that was the victim and this is his daughter what’s he supposed to do, if it was your daughter would you lie? And she said “bet you a** I would, to save her from the death penalty, if it was my daughter I would lie. ” It’s so nice to hear someone be nice for once!
I usually just read and rarely comment. I LOVE this site….But, I think I have more questions now than before. I still have not seen a complete video of George’s testimony today. With that in mind, and bc I like to give people the benefit of the doubt before someone has their day in court, I won’t convict George right now. (Don’t get upset with me)…Let’s say all of it happened like the defense said – My main question is .. I am puzzled as to why George would want to conceal an accidental death? I can understand a 21 year old panicking after an accident happened and thinking they would get in trouble even in the event of an accident, but a grown man with knowledge of laws, etc should have no reason to conceal an accident……Someone bring me back to Casey’s side, please!!!! ( I have other questions too, but this is my most pressing at the moment)
notthatsmart –
I agree with you, I think it was alot for everyone to take in, the drowning, the molestation, RK, but like you said get it all out on the table. I thought from the beginning that both GA and RK were suspicious, I just never thought they could be tied together some how, I always thought it had to be one or the other. I don’t understand why everyone (not ppl here, elsewhere) thinks the molestation/sexual abuse is so far fetched, what goes on behind closed doors is usually pretty well hidden, and it’s usually the people you least expect. It’s only day one, I can’t wait to watch this all unfold.
I just thought of something, why have I not thought of this before! If my mother (god rest her soul) had not seen my kids in a month she would have hunted my ass down way before a month could pass! Why did they not go looking for her if they had not seen Caylee for a month.
For instance..why did they need RK to have moved the body?
Why did Cindy tell her co worker that someone had been
using their pool on 6/17?
Why the DNA on shorts and laundry bag?
Where does LA come into this? Why did Baez ask GA
that he had 2 children..when he suggested that Casey
had a beer belly?
One thing for sure..that picture shows her pregnant in full
form. Why was it so dirty to them to not tell anyone..But
GA threw a family party to celebrate?
And…If my child or anyone accused me of anything like that..
I would give a sh*t less if I was thrown out of the courtroom.
I would have stood up and said it was a freakin lie!
I have seen most but not all and want to listen and watch
a couple in particulars..that I only heard on the radio..
Welcome Ljay:
I say his wife. He just got her to take him back. He lived the single life for awhile and did not like it. He was already on edge with her and that can be proven through the discovery of witnesses. He knew for sure that his wife would blame him and his entire life would be turned upside down. He had no home to go to, he just started a new job. He had no money to speak of because of his gambling habit. He had absolutely no where to go if she kicked him out again. I suppose it was possible that Kc was the reason she kicked him out in the first place. The two could just not get along. I can see why.
And exactly what was GA doing to Kc when all this happened? I mean think about it. What if he was taking advantage of her when this happened. How embarassing for everyone.
I have another question to because I do not know enough about it. How can one prove that a grandfather is or isn’t the father of their own grandchild? How do the alleles work? can you exclude the grandfather that easy?
I want to make sure everyone knows, that I am just specualting and nothing right now is stated as fact, and it is my opinion only.
Always felt Roy Kronk knew, and the fact that he first told his crew he “saw a skull”
then “it rolled out of the bag” He sure as heck did know where to look, and look, and look! Was always odd that he did not widen the area he looked in. Always the same spot. I thought Jose Baez did a great job on how Roy Kronk plays into this case.
snoop
they are saying RK moved the body after they put it wherever they put it to hide it so he could claim the reward cuz he kept calling but nobody took him seriously so he kept it hidden so nobody else could claim the reward but him when they did take him seriously.
Cindy said the pool latter was moved and she thought someone was swimming in the pool because normally she puts the latter away and the latter was by the pool. If indeed caylee did drown then I believe cindy just made that connection innocently.
Baez asked george about having 2 children after the beer belly comment implying that he was an idiot because cindy would have been pregnant twice and he would know what pregnant looks like and would know that casey wasn’t retaining water. Some detective george was huh?!
Okay, just thinking another what if.
What if Ca was well aware of GA sexual movements toward Kc?
What if that is the real reason she kicked him out for awhile?
What if even she began to worry about Caylee being exposed to him?
What if GA knew that CA would think that him and Kc were doing the nasty when Caylee got out the door and climbed up that ladder. ?
Sorry for such terrible thoughts. MOO
GA admits that he spoke with the prosecution before trial. is it possible that the prosecution told him that if he admitted molesting casey, that they would arrest him?
i thought george sounded very credible. but, after my husband came home today, i played the video for him, and my husband said that he can tell george is lying. actually, the second time i watched, i also got that feeling. he sounded like he had been very well coached by mr. lippman and by the prosecution. also, if ga admits to molesting kc, it makes lee look more likely guilty as well. in a way, i wonder if george’s testimony today was an attempt to protect lee, as well as himself. also, did you hear george say that on may 16, when he asked caylee where she was going, she (caylee) answered, “to zanny’s.” isn’t it in the depositions from george and cindy that caylee never mentioned zanny, and only looked confused whenever they asked her about zanny?
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Interesting “thinking at the beach”
jb
I’m looking a possible GA/RK connection..Remember this?
POSTED: Thursday, July 29, 2010
UPDATED: 12:25 pm EDT July 30, 2010
Local 6 has learned of another discovery that Kronk made years earlier in Tennessee that could impact the Anthony case…Read more: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/24443621/detail.html
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Does RK find things for profit? Why would he falsely report finding guns, etc??
NTS just seen your comment we must have been thinking alike.
Steph..You know I thought about that today..I wondered if
I was the parent and was faced with this scenario..I think
I would go along with it..to save her life.
LJay..I honestly think there will be more to this story.
Much more! I think we will find all the answers that we
seek right now..and will see more surprises! Some
BIG..
It is yet overwhelming..but with the great minds here..
I am sure as it settles and the trial moves on..that we
will continue to help come up with the possible
answers along the way!
Honestly, I have a BIG gut feeling..tuition..whatever..
that there is going to yet be an AMBUSH..I am so
sure..that I am expecting it before trial end.
to be
notthatsmart-
I was thinking the same thing – what if he was taking advantage of casey when caylee drowned. I wonder if the defense will try and say that. That would be a sure reason why he woudldn’t call the police and also I’m hearing if she did drown why wouldn’t you attempt cpr, there is only so far cpr can go, it depends how long she was in that pool, if she’s gone she’s gone, and it’s possible too that he did attempt cpr, it still doesn’t mean that he didn’t not decide it was too late and that there was a need to cover it up. Maybe casey flipped out and threatened to tell on him and he in turn threatened her. But that probably would have came out in opening statements.
Note also that JB pointed out something very graphic to make a point today about a person being able to lead 2 lives. . Her father sticks his pen*** in her mouth and later that morning she goes to school and acts like nothing ever happened. I think this prolly happens more than any of us would like to know. But that was a good example how a sexual abused person can live 2 lives. IMO
I am still trying to keep an open mind. I think this is an impossible task. It is impossible for me and it is impossible for everyone here. The reason I say that is no one seems to be laying aside their preconceivied notions. It’s not just here, it’s everywhere. Today it appears that everyone stands firmer in their beliefs of their opinions of Casey’s innocent or guilt. That makes me think that many many people have preconceived notions that didn’t waver.
Juror 177
Great observations! They did say caylee never mentioned zanny and looked confused by her name. The only thing they ever admitted about a nanny was that caylee said she played with a puppy at the nanny’s so the nanny had to exsist (cindy said that).
I too think George was coached and is lieing! His lawyer stated that they knew this was coming for 6 weeks. I just hope the jury sees through it. Keep this in mind, most people who lie look to the left.
Ljay…I have a lot of questions too.
I think the only reason why George would have reason to worry, is if he knew he was Caylee’s father and he knew that an autopsy would be done on Caylee and he was worried everyone would find out. Only thing I can think of that makes any sense, and of course I’m still only speculating.
This new development has me really baffled.
STEPH…Sorry..but you misunderstood..You must have
missed my earlier comment prior to that..it was like a continuation.
You are giving me logical answers LOL..I am aware
of those answers..I was not really asking those questions.
I was inferring there are reasons for a this YET TO BE REVEALED!
FOR EXAMPLE:: I know what they implied about RK moving the
body for the reward and that is why it was not found.
BUT>>> There is more to come with RK..We are no longer
talking about the OLD Scenario..WE are talking an accident.
It does not matter where the body was placed..???
Who moved it..who found it..who put it there..etc.
SOMEONE HAD TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE BODY AFTER
SHE DIED RIGHT? THEY COULDN’T LEAVE IT LAY IN THE BACK YARD
RIGHT? BUT IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE…THEY ARE INJECTING
RK FOR A REASEON..YET TO COME………
SEE NOW WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THESE QUESTIONS???
Kardan: For me there is a reason. I have said all along that Kc better have a compelling reason for her actions. I have always said, if it wasn’t compelling enough, that I would probably fall on the side of guilty. As a matter of fact, it is well documented that I have said in the past and I quote ” I think she is guilty, but I am not sure”
Well today she came through. That is the most compelling reason for her actions that I could even think of. The defense came through with flying colors and now they need to move forward confirm it time and time again. We have not heard the end of the molestation news I am sure. Mr CM is going to confront GA and it is not going to be pretty. He is going to expose the lies and it is going to be very embarrassing and intense to everyone. Watch for an emotional break down by GA. Why just a few weeks ago, GA told LDB to not challenge him, because he will challenge her. Now all of a sudden, he is on their side.
ONe last note. Kc loved to take pictures. She took a whole back pac full of them over to JB’s office while she was out. Many times abused people record their abuse as in the nicole simpson case. I agree with snoop. There is going to be trial by ambush here, but the ambush is so bad, the judge can’t stop it. MOO
I know you guys have got to see through this!!
Do you think for 1 minute that Baez and Mason
are going to give their whole case to the state
on day 1 in opening statements?????
Not me!!!!!! They brought Kronk into that statement
for a reason!..And although this is their reasonable
doubt statement…IMO this is NOT the only SURPRISE.
They will bring the rest out during testimony!
I am so sure that this will happen….I bet $$ on it!
This is only the beginning of the Defense unraveling
what happened to Caylee!!!!!!!!!!
Can anyone connect the date Cindy kicked George out and if the timeline might have
do I need one? or am I not fit? lol
been related to when Casey got pregnant. Do you realize the impact on Casey if Cindy knew George was the father and forced Casey to have the baby? My God, talk about screwing with someone’s head, what this young girl may have had to cope with. Her behavior is indeed like someone who has been molested and carries out her life with little respect for herself. I don’t know, but………. Just too unusual that Casey never named the father except to say he was killed in an accident. I would like to see George pictures when he was a baby and toddler along side ones of Caylee at same ages in years. I got no juror number
Although I didn’t see the picture of the skull, I did read at THM that one of the commentors there who was in the courtroom to see the photos said that the skull was buried in the mud up to its eye sockets. My question is this: If that is true….then how will the defense explain that if they are saying that RK kept the body hidden so that no one else would find it until he was ready to collect the reward? Don’t get me wrong…..RK has always been dispicable to me, and his story changed every time he told it. I could rationally theorize that RK being a meter reader SAW where the body was originally discarded….perhaps in the woods deeper, and then moved it so that he could be the one to find it and gain the notariety/cash that came with the discovery. But depending on how deeply buried that skull was, that story is going to be a tough sell to the jury.
As I said earlier….while it took me aback to actually hear Jose say what he said today about the drowning, about the molestation, about the cover up by GA as well as KC, much of it makes sense. I can relate to why KC would feel the need to hide it. That would also explain why KC stayed with TL as opposed to going home…..not only to keep Cindy from finding out, but also because she couldn’t face being there after knowing what had happened. I understand about keeping secrets when you were abused as a child. It becomes second nature….keeping secrets. Shame and guilt are horrible, horrible things to deal with…..and when you are abused at a young age, that part of your emotions can not grow up until the abuse is confronted and dealt with truthfully. I GET that….probably better that most. What I’m having a hard time understanding is GA’s role in the cover up. I’m not sure I am completely convinced that he’d cover up an accidental drowning. There has got to be more to the story. Perhaps if Caylee drowned while GA was somehow doing something to Casey, then he’d go along with a cover up in exchange for Casey not telling on him. That would also explain why Casey didn’t want to talk to her parents any longer after about her first little bit in jail. It would definitely explain why Casey denied Cindy’s most recent request for a visit prior to the trial. It would partly explain GA’s absence at hearings from the time the jailhouse letter was released. And it would also explain why LA has just kept to himself.
I’m curious to know when Cindy found out about this. I’m also anxious to hear what Cindy says in court. If it does turn out to be true that Casey told Cindy early on about the abuse and Cindy shushed her or didn’t believe her, then Cindy stands to look really bad. Obviously keeping up appearances is important to Cindy. I do not understand Cindy and George’s need to cover Casey’s pregnancy for so long. Mind you, I was nearly 8 months pregnant before I told my parents I was pregnant…..because, like Casey, I learned how to keep secrets at a very early age. But the difference is that I had gained only 6 lbs in that whole 8 months. During that time, it was fashionable to wear boxer shorts and oversized sweatshirts…..even in the summer. My first child, a daughter, was also born in August (the 12th)…..so I understand hiding something. But in my case, I wasn’t tiny like Casey. I am 5’7″ and started out at about 150 lbs. I wasn’t petite. It was easy to hide for that length of time. So why, when Casey was so obvioulsy pregnant, did her parents deny it to Cindy’s brother and that whole family? If I had been showing like that….I couldn’t have kept my secret!!
Like Ljay….I now have more questions than I did before. I will have to watch and listen carefully to see if my questions are answered. My true hope for this trial was that the defense would give a clear, concise explanation for what really happened and not just try to create reasonable doubt. I think that Jose did a fantastic job today…..but I’m genuinely hoping that he will answer my questions. I don’t want justice to come just because of reasonable doubt. I want to walk away KNOWING that Casey did not kill her child.
snoop -
LOL, your comments weren’t posted back to back so I didnt see the first one, I went back and read it then, now I get it lol.
if it really was an accident, then both casey and george should be in jail for not administering first aid. neither of them are coroners and neither could have known for certain that caylee could not have been revived with resuscitation. i, as a juror, want to know why there were no efforts at resuscitation! it is illegal to fail to render aid to your child, even if that aid is primitive in nature. did they not try anything?
comment -
I believe george said on the stand today that caylee was 4 months old when cindy kicked him out.
NTS
Do you think she is guilty now?
juror 177-
we don’t know, since george won’t own up to it if the accident truelly did happen, and we do know that george was trained in cpr, we don’t know if he did try to administer cpr or not.
KARDAN…SAYS::That makes me think that many many people have preconceived notions that didn’t waver.
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We do not know these people on the internet! These people that blog
like us have revolved around this case for nearly 3 years..
The jurors were carefully selected at the best possible for not
following the case to those extremes.
And I am sorry, but I totally disagree..My client whom is a Dr..
Changed her mind COMPLETELY after hearing opening statements
by the defense. For 3 yrs she has been adamant about her guilt!
Today as we watched and listened..from different areas of her home..
she came to me..and said NOW..I HAVE REASONABLE DOUBT!..And
she has not read 25,000 pages of documents, science, testimony
and depos…She is a highly intelligent woman..that was convinced
of her guilt!
And don’t get me wrong from my earlier comment, I do think the defense is doing a good job in casting doubt department. But for me, I was already on Casey’s side but now I feel the defense left me with more questions about her innocence than I had before. (only bc I can’t make sense of some of what they say now) But I will be patient. I also think there is more to RK. From day 1, or whatever with this guy since he found the body so many times, he has given me the creepiest of vibes. He has had shady written all over him. This will be a huge hurdle for the prosecution. I also have always held the duct tape in question. I don’t want to sound gross, but if the tape was put on before decomposition, wouldn’t the tape sloth around from where originally placed – the body would have expanded with gas, then gradually became mushy and liquidy and then eventually rotted away (sorry for the grossness)…I just don’t buy it that the tape stayed in the same place during the entire process of decomp. I don’t know how they can say this.
Ljay-
I agree with you on kronk, as far as the duct tape, your theory makes sense but I really don’t know how they determine it I guess we will have to wait for expert testimony. According to what I heard from witch nancy grace who really made me angry she claims the state can prove the tape was put on before she died because the jaw bone was still intact and because the hair was on the tape. I don’t buy that at all, it makes no sense to me because jaw bones don’t fall off immediatly after a person dies and hair doesn’t come out immediatly after one dies either. If the duct tape was placed over her mouth even hours after her death I don’t see how her jaw bone wouldn’t be intact or how it couldn’t be possible to still get her hair stuck in the tape. But nancy grace is an all knowing glorious prosecutor – oh wait she’s not a prosecutor anymore, gee I wonder why?!
Steph….save yourself the aggravation and steer clear of Miss Nasty. She lies continuously.
Kardan,
You are right, my preconceived notion is stronger than ever that Casey is innocent.
The states opening statement was a joke….. a loooooong booooooring not funny joke….
They want the jury to believe that in March of 2008 Casey googled household weapons, recipes for chloroform, neck breaking, and shovel, while attempting to premeditate the murder of her defenseless 2 1/2 yr old daughter, then they are to believe Casey succeeded in whipping up a huge batch of chloroform but ultimately decides to go with duct tape as the murder weapon, and says to hell with all the knowledge I soaked up off the internet on shovel usage, I’m just gonna ditch the remains in the pet cemetary.
Seriously, WOW!!
The defense could say ANYTHING, and it’d be more swallowable.
MO
LJAY..et al..Maybe because the thoughts of innocence for
Casey were that she was involved in “nothing” to do with
Caylee’s death. That “someone else” had to harm Caylee
for her to be innocent.
For those of us who have .. not been proven that Casey was
guilty of “premeditated murder”..Maybe there was a presumption
of innocence..that she was not involved..So when we find
that she knew what happened to Caylee and the mystery is
gone..it was not what was expected. Maybe the expectations
for the fence sitters..were more than…
So for someone believing in her innocence..and the defense
to drop a jaw dropping opening statement like this..would
maybe influence a person to believe their is guilt.
For my client..I have now commented about 3 times LOL..An
intelligent Dr. Went from GUILTY conviction..To REASONABLE
DOUBT..So it effected her just the opposite..
Does that make sense?
well here’s some news, it’s just a start I may be a tiny bit off on my numbers but I belong to a FB group called casey anthony is Innocent I’m pretty sure the group had like 23 members the other day, I know it was in it’s 20s, it now has 55.
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That makes me very happy.
Wow, that’s great news Steph! People are slowly coming around..
jB
Oh, I believe Jose and Cheney have a lot more to bring in. Thanks Steph 313. It may be Cindy being a nurse, could have got some of George’s tissue somehow and had a DNA when Caylee was near 4 months and that showed George to be Caylee’s father. Pretty good reason to kick him out. Gambling, no steady work, and possibly molesting Casey.
Wow Ljay I never tbought of the tape moving around like that! Yes that was gross but a very good point! So true if the body had skeltonized already how would they know where the tape was?
Again..WHAT DOES IT MATTER THAT RK MOVED THE BODY AROUND???
I don’t think you are looking at the whole picture..You are spending
too much time on focusing on the ACT itself!
If Caylee died in a pool..GA and KC knew..The death is hidden..Someone
disposes of the body(which we don’t know how or who yet)..
There could be many different stories by the defense as to who
hid it..why..how..where..
BUT…Its all about KRONK…BECAUSE….There is MORE to this folks!
So whether the skull was buried up to eye sockets..BTW that was
already in discovery..or not..
I don’t know how to express I guess..What I am trying to say..
This is a BIG picture..
It DID NOT have to involve KRONK
Also..Remember GA testimony right away that he never went
in the pool with Caylee without Cindy or CI CI..
Until Baez said..she did not come to you and say JO JO swim..
then he conceded to a couple of times…
THERE IS MUCH MORE TO COME OUT! MOO
Well…and another question about the tape is….if the skull were truly buried halfway up to the orbital sockets in mud, then HOW could they tell that duct tape was wrapped around the skull over the mouth and nose?? It is reasonable to assume that IF there were duct tape applied over the mouth and nose, it would have slipped off when the skin slipped off. Jose was right when he described the prosecution as being desperate, IMO. They NEEDED the tape to be over the nose and mouth to prove murder…..so they imagined it there. I wish we could see the pictures. If I’m understanding things correctly, the tape, when recovered, was beside the skull stuck to the hair matt. That it was over the nose and mouth is a theory from what I understand. Again….I know we won’t see the pictures, but it would be helpful if we could!!
Snoop –
It makes sense, I for one was never convinced that she didn’t know what happened, I had many theories, and one of them was that casey never left the house with caylee on the 16th, something went wrong and george was involved in the cover up. My main reasoning for that was because of him knowing way too much about that car, it’s like he instructed her to abandon it there, and then went there knowing he would need to take gas cans with him, and he knew it was at amscot cuz he told the guy he called amscot (when he had no reason to know it was there). I knew something wasn’t right with george. And his LE background really bothered me.
STEPH..I was in that FaceBook the other night..Casey is Innocent…
I read some good comments..and you are right if there are 55 now..
because the # was much smaller and it was only 2 nights ago!
Snoop….I hope you’re right….and I’m sure you are.
I think that I was just hoping to hear that Casey wasn’t involved at all. It kinda threw me for a loop today. BUT….it makes sense. I’m going to wait for the defense to finish their case because I know if I have these questions, the defense has already anticipated them and will answer them.
Darn it….it keeps popping me back to juror333.
Hey Steph….I’m on that site too….although I never read it because there are some nasty, rude, crude haters there. But I’ve been on there for a long time now.
Omar:::Well…and another question about the tape is….if the skull were truly buried halfway up to the orbital sockets in mud, then HOW could they tell that duct tape was wrapped around the skull over the mouth and nose?? It is reasonable to assume that IF there were duct tape applied over the mouth and nose, it would have slipped off when the skin slipped off.
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi Snoop! EXACTLY.. EXACTLY!!! You’re so right Omar. The tape was stuck to hair because there was no skin to stick to.. the skin had decomposed…just more crazy speculation.
jB
Omar – I just put my name with my juror number behind it, clears up any confusion lol, it’s too hard to remember who is which juror!
Omar – I think we’ve weeded out most of the nasty ppl lately, have seen mostly good people lately. Was surprised though to see the number up so high, and only saw one negative comment posted.
Steph….great point about GA supposedly not knowing the car had been abandoned and yet he called Amscot. I thought, though, that I read in an interview or something, that GA and CA said that the tow yard told them where the car had been towed from and when. The gas can thing….GA just “guessed” the car was out of gas….Jose pointed that out today. I was surprised because someone here had mentioned that yesterday or the day before ( I don’t remember who it was) that GA HAD to know more than he told because he took gas cans with him even though no one told him the car was out of gas. I don’t think I had realized that before I read it here. Good sleuthing!!
Good idea about the name and number, Steph! Ok….last night (or I should say this morning) I went to bed at about 3:45 and got back up at 7:45 to catch opening statements. I feel like a zombie….and my brain is shorting out. I need some sleep. I’ll catch you all in the morning. I have to miss part of the proceedings tomorrow….AND, we have more bad storms coming our way tomorrow, so I’m praying I don’t lose power or internet connection. Sleep well everyone!!
Omar – the guy at the impound lot says in his statement that he is telling george about how amscot called the police about the car and he’s not sure how long it was there before it was towed yada yada and george says I already called amscot and the impound lot tells police I don’t know how he knew to call amscot because I hadn’t told him the car had been at amscot prior to that.
In the jail visit where cindy is talking to casey and says someone said this morning that caylee drowned in the pool this morning, that’s the latest news, casey looks to left with her eyes and says surprise surprise – classic lying technique – most people who are lying look to the left.
night all, I’m off to bed too, see you all in the morning
Hello everyone..Awesome comments and lots to think about. I’m so sorry I missed everyone.. It’s been a long hectic day for me. I started off with a broken television..and it was all down hill from there.
Omar, I hope you feel better tomorrow too.. I’m burnt so off to bed for me.
I’m going to put up another thread for the morning..I see we’re over 400 and that usually slows everything up.
I don’t have anything clever to write except “How bout that Opening Statement?”
I’m still in shock. I really didn’t see that coming but it makes sense.
Goodnight ALL.. Same place, same time.
Omar..If you are still up..or in the morning..I just
want you to know I just retrieved your email..
so expect one back:-)
COMMENT….Hi..There were so many comments tonight
that I can’t keep up LOL..But I seen one from you asking
for a juror #. I don’t know if anyone addressed that..
So to make sure.. I wanted to let you know you choose
your own #.
http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/2011/05/25/day-two-after-the-shocker/
Hi Snoop! new article alert! Tomorrow’s a new day.
Hey Comment! Yes..just pick your own number. lol..See yall tomorrow..I’m going to bed now
Goodnight!!
It is on record that Casey told friends about the abuse yrs prior. I am sure they will testify. GA is toast IMO
Toast as in the defense will discredit him. If nobody steps forward to claim Caylee it is a strong possibility she is GeorgeS. Then sadly this entire case will make sense. Cindy is a sick woman taking notes. She knew what was going on. Also who is the one who collected on funds thru the fake foundation? If GA admits anything he can go to jail on fraud. Why would he tell the truth? $$$$$$$$. Now I will get back to juror mode. See u tonight
Indy my number has always been my lucky number to answer ur question
I’m about to share something with all of you, I think I feel more comfortable because I don’t know any of you.
When I first heard of casey anthony, it was back when this first started and was first in the news when caylee went missing. My boyfriend at that time was asking me if I heard about the little girl who was missing and her mother was out partying instead of looking for, he was disgusted with her, my very first reaction was to defend her – people handle stress differently. I hadn’t heard about it until he pointed it out, wasn’t one to watch the news. I did catch a tidbit a while later on late night news, think it may have been nancy grace, they were talking about the nanny. I remember thinking this is pretty complicated but this lady (nancy grace) seems really mean, turned it off and never watched anything again. I only started becoming really interested in the case when her trial was a few months away and they did a show about caylee on ID channel. That’s when I read all the discovery and really took a good look for myself. I never thought casey killed caylee in cold blood. But when I read her jail house letters I think I may have connected with her on some kind of level. While her situation is a bit different from mine she describes almost exactly my childhood. My brother and I have different dads and my mom was a big partier when I was a kid, my mom and my brothers dad split up but when my brother would go to his dads I would go too and my brother’s dad (on 2 occasions that I can remember) came into my room at night and touched me inapropriatly. It never went farther than that, but like casey when I told my mom she didn’t do anything about it, I’m not sure she believed me, she just said well I won’t send you there anymore. But I can relate to her. I don’t live in a fantasy world, but I do tend to push my problems under the rug, or really not think about them until absolutely necessary.
Ok, I just had to get that off my chest, I felt it was relative and maybe some therapy for me at the same time!
Good morning Steph,
I’m glad you got this off of your chest, I’m sure it’s therapeutic to just say it. What happened to you has happened to more than you can imagine. The adult in your life swept it under the rug so I guess you did too.
Please join us on my new thread. Looking forward to your comments.
Hello all … I’m glad to have finally found somewhere that has positive things rather then all the negative things that have brain washed the human race.. its frustrating to hear or read so many ignorant people throw stones at someone they know nothing about … its so easy to be convinced of what the media wants one to believe … an accidental drowning doesn’t make headlines like a mother accused of murdering her child … from day one i knew a terrible accident occurred no one could ever tell me different … but 90 percent of people prefer to shoot first and ask questions later.
When it gets to the chloroform issue, remember Ricardo Morales, the boyfriend in early 2008, is the one who introduced chloroform, on his internet, I think myspace.
The idea of using it as a method of making a perspective interest drowsy or sleepy.
Casey has been accused of all the chloroform searches and actually she was probably only looking into it because he had brought it up. Maybe he used it on her, maybe he used it on her and Caylee when they were in bed with him. Am I rolling off the edge?
@Comment … u took the words right out of my mouth … maybe she was curious to see what was he referring to or what it did … i know i never heard of chloroform till this case which i my self had to look it up to see what it was and what it did.
Mr. Ashton,
As another individual looking for justice for Caylee, I am concerned that Casy Anthony just may get off, as there seems to be too much intellectualizing in the States’ presentation (hair folicles with/wothout banding in studies, etc)without getting details that are gemaine to this case and would not allow the seeping of “doubt” of any nature into the minds of the jurors.
To wit:
Duct tape was found on Cayless skull. The investigators searched through the Anthony’s backyard shed and did not find a roll of duct tape. Do you think Caylee’s murderer was stupid enough to put the duct tape back in shed, if that is where it was taken from? There was however, duct tape on a gas can and another item, which the investigators did not bother to secure and test to see if the striations on the duct tape on the gas can were a match to the duct tape found on Caylee’s skull.
Secondly, the defense is stating that there is no proof that Caylee was murdered and she drowned in a swimming pool. Death by Drowing/or a body that has lain in water can be either proved or disproved according to a statement I heard from Dr. Boden, when a FOX host asked if there was any way to prove if a person was drowned or in water when only the bones remained. According to Dr. Boden, any body that is in water has a form of algae that infiltrates the bones and there is test that can be done on the bones to see if that body had been in water. Why hasn’t your office looked into the possiblitly of those tests? Not knowing the truth, and leaving her death to mere conjection is not a fail-safe for a guilty verdict from the jury.
Third: Why hasn’t it been brought to the jurors attention that as a child, Casy Anthony and a friend (who was questioned by the prosecution and never used as a witness to date) buried their dead pets in the same area as Caylee’s body was found and they put heart stickers on the bags the dead pets were entombed in prior to being buried in the ground?
If the case for the state is ending and these important pieces of information that can give the jurors insight into the long-term behavior of Casey Anthony is left in a silent void, it is extremely suspect that Caylee will have justice, when relying on circumstantial evidence rather than exacting information that was at hand.