When Judge Belvin Perry Jr. first became involved in the case against Casey Anthony, I was happy because he is said to have an excellent reputation, near 0 reversal rate and has a personable, although sometimes intimidating demeanor. I was really impressed with his volunteering to be on the Innocence Commission, so needed because Florida has such a high rate of wrongful convictions, many of them death penalty. I had no problem looking past his speech pattern, nervous leg movements or droopy eyes. I didn’t even realize he was lacking his dominate eye until I read a recent story about him. As I read about his childhood Robin Hood duel with a friend that took out his right eye with a butcher knife used as a sword, I suddenly got an image of Ms Justice blinded by a kerchief, holding her scales, tipped to one side, wielding a sword, the sword of the almighty Word, declared as law. If it weren’t for some recent rulings and behavior, I might not have thought much of it, but this led me on a search for how a man can be seen almost as a god when he could swing a butcher knife at a friend. My sons played swords too, but they used wooden spears created out of sticks carved to wide, rounded tips or used plastic toys if available.
Perry doesn’t end his duties with sitting as judge, supervising many other judges and chairing the Innocence commission. He is also the one given the privilege of appointing the task force for reforming Campaign Finance, and as chief judge, creates new courts, such as the Business Court where all business civil matters are judged. He even created a law through an order declaring it unlawful for anyone near the court houses he has jurisdiction over, to inform citizens of their rights as jurors under the Constitution of the United States. This is obviously because this group proclaims a jurors right to judge the morality of a law and judge according to their conscience, to judge according to the spirit and not just the letter of the law.
Judge Belvin Perry is often referred to as a “no nonsense judge” and a “judge’s judge”. He became involved in the Casey Anthony murder trail as a result of the original judge, the Honorable Stan Strickland, being accused of bias and asked to step down. Now, Perry is being accused of bias favoring the prosecution and law enforcement actions over the facts and rights of the defendant.
Perry comes from a lifetime of support of the death penalty and being on the side of the prosecution. He received at least some of his education in Texas, a state well known to not hesitate to impose death. Before becoming a judge he was a prosecutor and was responsible for prosecuting the so called, `Black Widow’, as well as witnessing her execution. You can see him in action in this photo gallery: http://www.wesh.com/r-slideshow/27057300/detail.html He said to Wesh 2, Bob Kealing, “She was an evil woman”. I can only assume that Perry volunteered to witness her death because, according to the Florida Statute the prosecutor isn’t on the list of required witnesses.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0900-0999/0922/0922.html
Regulation of 922.11 execution.—
The warden of the state prison or (1) a deputy designated by him or her shall be present at the execution. The warden shall set the day for execution within the week designated by the Governor in the warrant.
Twelve citizens selected by the (2) warden shall witness the execution. A qualified physician shall be present and announce when death has been inflicted. Counsel for the convicted person and ministers of religion requested by the convicted person may be present. Representatives of news media may be present under rules approved by the Secretary of Corrections. All other persons, except prison officers and correctional officers, shall be excluded during the execution.
Biased or Just?
So, does Judge Perry tip the scales toward the prosecution, leaving the defense slighted, or does he do his best to balance the scales of Justice? When the expert witnesses were even for each side, he favored the prosecution, according to this report:
http://www.alive-abolish-deathpenalty.org/PDF/news_archive_april_10.pdf
March 4, 2010, just days before the scheduled execution, Perry was ordered by the Supreme court to determine whether the defendant, David Johnston’s IQ was really as low as the latest test score showed because if so, he was mentally retarded and could not be put to death for his crime. 2 defense experts put his IQ at 61, well below the 70 threshold but the state brought expert testimony from two that put it well above 70. Throughout his life, various tests scored him between 57 and 83. Perry went with the state witnesses who said he scored lower only because he was facing the death penalty and was depressed. The man was put back on death watch a month later, when Perry ruled. “The Court finds the testimony of the state’s witnesses to be more detailed and to provide more credible explanations for disparities in the defendant’s test scores,” The issue of his mental capacity shows up in the court file much earlier though, back in 2005 when the state is trying to keep the defense from having their own mental experts involved. See court file at http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6588004 Ashton’s name is specifically referred to on 4/24/2009 and the final defense attorney is appointed.
Perry said. Johnston had been tested 7 times in his life, beginning at age 7, which tells me he had severe mental deficiency. We all know that tests are only as good as the interpreter and only tell you how well the subjects test, so much more must be considered than a raw test score. But, even with only a test, if he had tested below the threshold as a young child, that should be the direction any possible bias would lean toward, if any. At 3:40 am on September 30, 2010, just 10 minutes later and just 5 days before the 27th Anniversary of that fated phone call, Johnston died “from apparent natural causes,” according to the DOC, before he could be executed. He was 50 years old. There was a pending appeal with the Supreme court.
This case was much more complicated than the question of his mental capacity. In fact, the case was reopened in June of 2002 and it was reassigned. While he sat on death row for nearly 30 years, dna technology became available, testing was requested, a battle ensued, with Jeff Ashton involved, a different judge presiding. Samples came up missing and the attorney’s on both sides challenged each other’s DNA test results. The state claimed all samples were sent, the defense said they were very small and weren’t enough for both sides so another battle took place. The defense had asked for the male chromosome type of testing, earlier but was denied. Later the state asked and it was granted. When they finally got DNA testing done, the accused couldn’t be eliminated, using the male chromosome type of testing. Notice I said, couldn’t be excluded, not DNA matched. Might have the results been more valuable if the defense had been granted this request the first time around? LE had testified that blood was found on the clothing of the accused but the defense found none when they tested the clothing. LE claimed the samples were consumed. Some other strange facts included eye witness accounts that claim they saw him in the wee hours of the morning wearing a butterfly pendant found in the victims hair and a watch found with blood in the bathroom. Is it normal for men to wear butterfly pendant’s if they aren’t retarded? Well, maybe. He called this woman his grandma and was seen washing dishes for her 5 days prior. A different judge was involved during the initial DNA battle. It looks like Perry became involved in February of 2010.
He doesn’t always side with the prosecution though. When Jeff Ashton wanted to pursue a new charge against Jeb Bush’s niece after being convicted in drug court, Belvin ruled that the state would be violating her medical privacy rights even though she was in possession of Cocaine while in a treatment program. He apparently wanted to investigate into whether an employee was involved but Perry put an end to that. Was Perry biased, favoring the family of a famous man or just doing his job in interpreting the letter of the law, disregarding the spirit and intent of the law?
Ethics and Campaign Finance for Elected Officials
Is it ethical for an elected official to appoint the members of the task force given the responsibility of reforming ordinances governing the financing of his own election? Well, according to Perry and the BCC, it is. While the groundwork was being laid for the eventual arrest of Casey Anthony, the task for created some more loopholes that elected officials can take advantage of through their “reform” efforts of 2008. He appointed Linda Chapin as chair. She is also an elected official, the commissioner with a great many business interests. She is known for raising more campaign money than both of her opponents put together. She lined a campaign contributor, Rick Fitzgerald’s pocket with millions as his cut for municipal bonds. He is an investment banker, friend to Chapmin, served as the assistant to the county commission and was her key adviser in the 1990 election when this position was first created. She was the chair, similar to a mayor. She and board members of the Greater Orlando Aviation Authority, Orlando-Orange County Expressway Authority Board and the Orlando Utilities Commission hosted a fund raising event that brought her $550,000 in campaign funds. She also had a voting seat on all but the Utilities commission. She is quick to point out, though, that any contribution “was not going to buy you any business unless you deserved it..” When she is called out on questionable tactics she is quick to initiate “reforms”. One reform that caught my eye was raising the limit of gifted dinners that must be reported from $35 to $75 and eliminated the ones where they were invited because of their elected position, even if they weren’t guest speakers or participants. This is called reform?. Her former position is now officially called mayor and the 2008 changes regarding the definition of lobbyists includes, “Lobbyist does not mean a county official, county employee or any other person affiliated with the county while acting in his or her official capacity”
As you can see in the tables at the end of this document, Florida tends to avoid appointing non attorneys to the oversight committees, http://www.ncsconline.org/D_Research/GeorgetownLawArticle.pdf
One such attorney he appointed as Vice Chair to the task force is Scott Gabrielson, city attorney. He is a civil and corporate attorney that filled the government post part time with what seems to be full time pay for him and his secretary, while carrying on his private practice too. . How many city positions are elected that might benefit from creating loopholes in campaign rules?
I spent quite a bit of time trying to find some information on Perry’s campaign contributors but couldn’t find anything. I did find an article that said his opponent, McLatchey, contributed his whole campaign from his own pocket, $45,000 loaned to the campaign fund. Wattles, who died and was replaced by Perry in the Johnston case, also paid for his campaign but it only cost him $350 because no one ran against him. I did find out though, that he is responsible for a rule that exempts any complaints from Florida’s Sunshine law until, and if there is probable cause found. Guess who decides that? Now, if that doesn’t seem like a conflict of interest, how about if we add to that, he appoints the judge in charge of business court, the new division of the Civil Court that he created back in 2003.
The Orlando Sentinel had the most interesting article about Perry’s affair gone bad that nearly cost him his career. McLatchey, his adversary in the 2000 election pointed out that Perry violated the law and cost the taxpayers $65,000. Perry claimed the affair that began in 1990 lasted 2 years and ended before he became chief judge. Williamson, on the other hand, said this isn’t true, it lasted well into his term as chief judge and that he had the power to hire and fire. Perry then claimed she was a bad employee and insubordinate and her marred work record supposedly dated back to 1990, the same year he says he began the affair. Funny, she wasn’t fired until 1997. Also in the Sentinel article, “Unlike Perry, he hasn’t taken campaign contributions from lawyers so attorneys won’t expect favorable treatment in return, he said. He also hasn’t collected endorsements, while Perry has garnered support from high-powered lawyers, law enforcement figures and politicians, including the next speaker of the Florida House of Representatives, Tom Feeney, R-Oviedo.” In another more recent article Williamson said the affair lasted 7 years so would have run up to the time she was fired. So, who is telling the truth? She was a court administrator. This newer article changed the original time they stated from 2 years down to 1 year. I guess you could call this history in the making, even though it took place over a decade ago.
To be continued…True or False? Judge Perry’s decisions have only been overturned once?
State vs. Mansfield, Judge Belvin Perry Jr. Presiding
Scott Mansfield was found guilty of 1st degree murder and sentenced to death by Judge Perry. During its case in chief, the State’s senior crime lab analyst, testified that the results of DNA and blood testing done on items belonging to Mansfield, claiming that some blood evidence was consistent but that wasn’t true. There was no blood on the knife they took from his bedroom closet.
Perry failed to rule that LE was required to advise him of his Miranda rights and the high court supported his ruling, stating his pre arrest statements weren’t the strongest part of the case, which may not be true in the case before him now. They did agree Mansfield should have been Mirandized. 06/07/2002 Perry was asked to recuse himself because his own statements were part of the objections and appeal, but he refused to do so. This case also had a jail house snitch and a later attorney brought to the court’s attention clearly biased statements made by Perry. Apparently, after being found guilty, going though the penalty phase, out to lunch but not yet having the jury instructed, the state offered Mansfield life instead of death if he would give up his right to appeal. Apparently Perry didn’t like that offer. The court appointed attorney thought they weren’t allowed to plea after the jury had found him guilty and they were only waiting on the penalty decision. Then the state withdrew its offer. One of his appeals went 3 years before being heard. Perry heard and denied his appeal. The defendant asked that Perry not be allowed to hear further appeals because of his bias, based on this statement, during the penalty phase.
When the State of Florida seeks the ultimate
sanction, I was under the impression, maybe wrongfully so, that the State of Florida looked at a case, they looked at whether or not they could prove it and made any determinations of whether or not there would be any proof problems. They looked at something that the Florida Supreme Court looks at which is called proportionality. And they would be ever mindful of the critics who, up until today’s date, I have always felt very comfortable when I would be approached by people in the community concerning the death penalty and how the death penalty was not equally applied, particularly when it dealt with people of
ebony hue, people of color and people who were victims who were of color.
(Penalty Phase Transcript 107-08).
And I have always taken the tack that we were very fortunate here in the Ninth Circuit that we had an outstanding State Attorney’s Office that basically looked at the case and did an analogy that was colorless. And I – - and that did not have any happenstance to it. I think that when you announced, unless something changes drastically in this case — and I’ve thought about it. I presided over this case. And at this time and point, I do not see any errors. And if there are any errors, I don’t see any reversible 3 errors. So I don’t see any proof problems. What really concerns me is why would this Court and this jury be asked to consider the ultimate sanction in this particular case, and then at the ninth hour, it just suddenly goes away?
(Penalty Phase Transcript 109)
* * * * *
Either a person meets the criteria to die in Florida’s electric chair, and if the proof
is there, we need to put them there. If the person does not meet the criteria, then so
be it. And that’s why we have all of these arguments now back and forth about the death
penalty, because people claim that it is willy-nilly applied and that there is no
rhyme or basis as to who gets it and who does not get it.
(Penalty Phase Transcript 109).
If folks are going to have confidence in our system of justice, then they are going to have to know that we’re going to evenly apply it to everyone. If you meet the criteria and you don’t have any proof problems and the State of Florida can prove their case, then the ultimate sanction can be imposed . . .
(Penalty Phase Transcript 110).
Mansfield, is white, by the way. All but one denied his 2005 appeal claiming ineffective council and bias on the part of Judge Perry. The one that dissented, had this to say;
ANSTEAD, J., dissenting.
I cannot concur in the majority’s analysis and conclusion that the trial judge’s strong adverse reaction to the State’s willingness to agree to a life sentence would not raise a reasonable fear in the defendant’s mind as to the fairness of the subsequent sentencing proceedings and postconviction proceedings. Cf. Suarez v. Dugger, 527 So. 2d 190, 192 (Fla. 1986) (comments of trial judge that “enough is enough” sufficient to warrant fear on part of defendant that further proceedings would not be fair). As in Suarez, where a judge expressed impatience with the process, we must remember that it is the effect of the trial judge’s remarks on the defendant that must be considered. The remarks quoted in the majority opinion surely would give rise to a reasonable fear on the part of the defendant that a trial judge who was distressed with and obviously did not approve of the State’s late offer of mercy could not thereafter treat the defendant fairly in the subsequentsentencing proceedings.
Hopefully, all would agree that the defendant was entitled to the appearance of a fair tribunal at every stage of his case. This Court has consistently emphasized the critical and fundamental importance of an impartial and unbiased judge.
Recently, we emphasized this concern in our opinion in In re McMillan, 797 So. 2d 560 (Fla. 2001):
The promise of “Equal Justice Under Law” is essentially predicated upon an independent judiciary committed to fairness and justice in the application of the law to the individual case. In Rose v. State, 601 So.
2d 1181 (Fla. 1992), we reaffirmed this long established and oft repeated principle in our jurisprudence:
The impartiality of the trial judge must be beyond question. In the words of Chief Justice Terrell:
This Court is committed to the doctrine that every litigant is entitled to nothing less than the cold neutrality of an impartial judge. . . . The exercise of any other policy tends to discredit the judiciary and shadow the administration of justice.. . . The attitude of the judge and the atmosphere of the court room should indeed be such that no matter what charge is lodged against a litigant or what cause he is called on to litigate, he can approach the bar with every assurance that he is in a forum where the judicial ermine is everything that it typifies, purity and justice. The guaranty of a fair and impartial trial can mean nothing less than this.
State ex rel. Davis v. Parks, 141 Fla. 516, 519-520, 194
So. 613, 615 (1939). Id. at 1183. Accordingly, no other principle is more essential to the fair
administration of justice than the impartiality of the presiding judge.
McMillan, 797 So. 2d at 571. Surely, a fair reading of the trial court’s response to the State’s plea offer gives rise to a reasonable concern as to the “attitude of the judge and the atmosphere of the courtroom” in the subsequent proceedings leading to the imposition of the death penalty by the same judge.
This appeal agreed on point 1, unless they held a new trial within 90 days, they were to release him. I couldn’t find any sign of that happening but did find this Supreme court brief showing all the rulings of Perry that they believe are wrong. Most likely this new trial is being sidestepped through the AG taking it up with an appeal through the US Court of Appeals but I haven’t found that. The arguments of the appellant follow.
ARGUMENTS
POINT I: 32
THE APPELLANT WAS MISINFORMED OF THE
SUBSTANTIVE TERMS OF A PLEA AGREEMENT WHEREBY
HE WOULD RECEIVE A LIFE SENTENCE IN EXCHANGE FOR
A PLEA OF GUILT AND A WAIVER OF APPEAL. THE PLEA
AGREEMENT SHOULD BE HONORED.
POINT II: 36
THE TRIAL COURT ERRED IN REFUSING TO SUPPRESS
STATEMENTS OBTAINED FROM THE DEFENDANT
FOLLOWING A REQUEST FOR COUNSEL THAT WAS NOT
GRANTED AND THEREAFTER WITHOUT PROVIDING
MIRANDA WARNINGS.
POINT III: 39
THE TRIAL COURT ERRED IN FINDING THE
AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCE OF AN ESPECIALLY
HEINOUS, ATROCIOUS OR CRUEL MURDER.
ii
POINT IV: 48
APPELLANT’S DEATH SENTENCE IS EXCESSIVE, DISPROPORTIONATE
AND INAPPROPRIATE, AND IS CRUEL
AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT IN VIOLATION OF ARTICLE 1,
SECTION 17 OF THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION, AND THE
EIGHTH AND FOURTEENTH AMENDMENTS TO THE UNITED
STATES CONSTITUTION.
POINT V: 62
IN VIOLATION OF THE EIGHTH AND FOURTEENTH
AMENDMENTS TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION,
AND ARTICLE I, SECTIONS 9 AND 17 OF THE FLORIDA
CONSTITUTION, THE TRIAL COURT ERRED IN ITS
CONSIDERATION OF VALID MITIGATING FACTORS IN
IMPOSING SENTENCES OF DEATH.
POINT VI: 66
THE TRIAL COURT ERRED IN FINDING THERE WAS NO
DISCOVERY VIOLATION WHEN THE STATE FAILED TO
PROVIDE DEMONSTRATIVE EVIDENCE PRIOR TO TRIAL.
POINT VII: 72
THE TRIAL COURT INTRODUCTION OF EFFECT IS OUTWEIGHED POINT VIII: 75
THE TRIAL COURT OBJECTIONS AND ALLOWING INTO EVIDENCE WHERE THE PROBATIVE VALUE.
iii
POINT IX: 80
THE TRIAL COURT IMPACT EVIDENCE ISSUE OF THE UNIQUENESS BEYOND THE NARROW STATUTORY SCHEME.
POINT X: 84
THE TRIAL COURT SPECIAL REQUESTED REQUESTED INSTRUCTION THE LAW.
CONCLUSION
Based upon the foregoing well as those cited in the Honorable Court to:
As to Point I and IV, vacate appellant’s death sentence and remand for
imposition of a life sentence;
As to Points II, VI, VII and VIII, grant a new trial;
As to Points III, IV, V, VIII, IX, and X, grant a new penalty phase;
Respectfully submitted,
JAMES B. GIBSON
PUBLIC DEFENDER
On 03/06/09, the State filed a Motion to Alter Judgment and then a Supplement to this motion was filed on 03/09/09. The Motion to Alter Judgment was denied on 04/22/09. U.S. District Court Judge Gregory Presnell in Orlando ruled that a videotape of Scott Mansfield being interrogated by Kissimmee police should not have been shown to a jury because he was not warned of his Miranda rights to remain silent and contact a lawyer. The judge wrote that the tape “consisted of two hours of accusations by the police and unconvincing denials and contradictions by Mansfield,” who denied killing Sara Robles. “The Court has little doubt that the videotape had a substantial and injurious effect on the jury’s verdict,” Presnell wrote
But after this the trail goes cold. I haven’t been able to find this judgment, only references to it. All three cases for him listed in the Osceola clerk’s site are closed with the most recent entry being March 9 of 2009 involving the Attorney General. 120 days is long past due. So why is he still incarcerated? It appears the AG has the power to hold it up.
That this man was ordered to have a new trial, I think says he was overruled more than ½ time, as others are saying. The whole trial was overturned, through this ruling for a new trial. I think it still remains to be seen if Judge Perry’s decisions will all hold up under close scrutiny. A new trial with a different judge may overrule all of his decisions in this case. I don’t believe they had any direct evidence and the strongest circumstantial evidence they had was his pager being found somewhere in the same vicinity. Although the state claimed blood was on his knife, no such blood was found. The knife could have been the same kind that produced the wounds but how many other knifes could also fit? There are many things about this case that seem suspect, including the actions of LE and the Prosecutor, regarding evidence.
I must conclude that Perry is not a fair judge and may even enjoy giving the death penalty. So, what can we find out about the other people Perry has sent to their death? Are many of them white? The Black Widow was a white woman. Scott Mansfield is a white man. Lionel Miller is a white man. Jermaine Lebron is a black man though. Are the majority white? Is this a case of reverse discrimination? Would anyone care to track down the rest?
We are each burdened with prejudice; against the poor or the rich, the smart or the slow, the gaunt or the obese. It is natural to develop prejudices. It is noble to rise above them. ~Author Unknown
References
Scott Mansfield
http://www.floridacapitalcases.state.fl.us/inmate-details.cfm?id=278
http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/clerk/briefs/2002/1401-1600/02-1425_petition.pdf
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/38707963/Scott-Mansfield- 2004 Appeal Brief
http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/decisions/pre2004/ops/sc92412.pdf
http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/decisions/2005/sc03-1352.pdf
http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/flsupct/sc92412/92412a.pdf
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-02-28/news/newtrial28_1_mansfield-physical-evidence-robles
http://198.140.240.34/pa/ Osceola Clerk of Courts
References
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/judges/chief_judge/
David Johnston
http://www.floridacapitalcases.state.fl.us/case_updates/Htm/084761.htm
http://www.wesh.com/r-video/27058354/detail.html
http://crime.about.com/od/deathrow/ig/Florida-Death-Row-Inmates/David-Johnston.htm
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-07-28/news/dna_1_dna-tests-johnston-testing-process
Ethics and Campaign Reform
The Innocence Commission
http://floridainnocence.org/content/?tag=belvin-perry
Miscellaneous
http://www.orangecountybar.org/documents/JudgePerryLetter.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/01/us/judge-upholds-privacy-for-jeb-bush-s-daughter.html
http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/clerk/dispositions/2003/5/02-2722.pdf
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/research/orders/downloads/administrativeorder.pdf
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/research/orders/downloads/RenamingBusinessCourt.pdf
http://www.orlandomagazine.com/Orlando-Magazine/April-2011/Order-in-His-Court/
http://www.orangecountyfl.net/Portals/0/Resources/Internet/govern/Lobbying/docs/200814.pdf
http://www2.orlandoweekly.com/features/story.asp?id=1949
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1554/is_n4_v19/ai_14687428/
http://www.lawyers.com/Florida/Orlando/Mateer-and-Harbert,-P.A.-822531-f.html
Chief Judge Belvin Perry, Jr.
His Credentials:
Judicial Assignments
2001-2011 Chief Judge, Ninth Judicial Circuit
1999-2001 Circuit Judge, Orange County Civil
1995-1999 Chief Judge, Ninth Judicial Circuit
1992-1995 Circuit Judge, Orange County Criminal
1991 Administrative Circuit Judge, Osceola County
1989-1990 Circuit Judge, Osceola County
Education
Juris Doctor: Thurgood Marshall School of Law, Texas Southern University (1977)
Masters of Education Degree: Tuskegee University (1974)
Bachelor of Science Degree, History: Tuskegee University (1972)
Professional Activities
Member, Trial Court Budget Commission
Member, Texas Bar Association
Member, Orange County Bar Association
Member, The Florida Bar
Courtesy of ZubenElSchemali
AHH..JB I sent you some mail today..LOL Big help you were.LOL
After working 16hrs Fri until the wee hours, I had to meet with
my client out by the remains site. I commented yesterday afternoon
here I was going. I took several pictures and returned home late night..
as well. As I went to download on PC..They were gone..Not only them..
BUT about 600 other memorable pictures. My memory card failed:(
I was totally freaking out and was up til early morning talking to
Sprint tech support trying to retrieve
somehow at least the other 600..So Sad!
So today I put in New memory card. Went back to the site..
NOW, the memory of the phone was full YIKES!!!! Oh my gosh,
it was 90 degrees..I was hot frustrated..trying to contact JB
with my phone number LOL..SOOOOOOOOOO obviously my
phone was messed up.
I was SO p*ssed that I went and bought a camera LMAO..
Then found out I needed a memory card for that as well!
Went back to store……..Well you get it by now I hope..LOL
It was all a BIG PAIN!!!!!!! Not only that by something clicked
in with my phone..so then I had both camera and phone
working!
Just got home a hour or so ago It is quite a ways for me to
drive..Although I took the Toll road quicker. But there was
a fatal accident..and I was stuck in traffic…had something to eat
WHEW and now will download pictures. HOPEFULLY!!!!!!
I hope all works right now!!
NTS..I found the tv you wanted to know about that you seen when Dominic
was searching.
Gascan..Yes the intersection at the Amscot has cameras.
The SPOT is about 11 ft from the sidewalk and about 5ft from tree line.
It is about 25 ft from corner of wood fence.
The decline is gradual..would hold Inches of water..Not feet.
When I went yesterday..there was no bails of straw. There were
someone who drove by me TWICE..But did not stop. I could
not see.
But today there are 4 bails of straw, hay..seperated by about
5ft. I guess someone is going to put it there? It was still tied
up…
I found someone has planted some plants there that are NEW.
I found a card telling what kind it is as well in the general vicinity.
There is SO much garbage..Beer bottles..Whisky bottles..etc..
all over the place..some broken..and just trash cig butts..everything.
So I can not figure..how they would know what to collect out there..
and what not.
Also, being that people hang out there..TELL me how no one seen it???
BSBSBSBSBS…There are other blankets out there…Probably some people
even sleep there. So party there sleep there..what not and no one seen it?
No way was flooded like they said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Down the way
there was one spot that looked like it could hold some water..but not
where Caylee was..
IF it was Caylee for sure..
KATHY>>> I have that somewhere in the back of my mind for a long
time..for various reasons..that I will explain later.
OK ..more later lets see if I can get these pictures downloaded!!
SORRY…THAT SHOULD READ 11FT FROM THE ROAD…NOT SIDEWALK..THERE IS
NO SIDEWALK..
What Pets?
First of all, I’m sincerely sorry that you’ve had first hand experience in burying a child. My heart breaks for you. My very first grand daughter passed away as well. She was only 5 days old, no matter how long they’ve been here on Earth didn’t matter. Her short existence and subsequent death still to this day profoundly affects my daughter. I’m happy to report my daughter later gave birth 2 more little ones but “Her Little Angel” is never forgotten as I’m sure you can relate. Again, I’m sorry to hear of your loss.
I just wanted to remind you of the “other” BS that was taking place when Cindy had to make her decision. Maybe Cindy was bitter and wanted to “outdo” Grund and Padilla. How dare they try to steal this Grandmother’s last bit of dignity!! I agree, Casey’s request should have been heeded but who are we to judge??? Absolutely, in retrospect Cindy has made bad calls before. But..what does it matter now? And I’m sure Casey holds no remorse for Cindy’s decision at that juncture. I don’t think we think clearly during tragedy.
In any case, I think we both agree that Padilla and Grund are nothing but meager low-life distractions and I think its possible they played a part in CA’s decision.
Personally, I enjoyed the memorial. I thought it was respectable.
SNOOOOOOP!!!
(((((((((((((((((((((((((::HUGS::))))))))))))))))))))))
I <3 <3 <3 YOU!!!
I'm off to see if I can retrieve the pics. Oh MY GOSH!! Bless your heart!! I can totally relate. I hate new technology sometimes. Things like this happen to me all the time..just when you think it'll be easy. NOT!! lol And it's always the little stuff that messes me up. I probably would have bought the wrong batteries too for example.
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your tenacious effort Madam Snoop.
You Are the BOMB!!
Thank you so much!!
JB..I am downloading to photo bucket..I didn’t email
I sent you some yesterday though from cell to your email..don’t know if you got.
But I have plenty now LOLOLOL..I just kept taking
Snoop,
I’m back..is it too late to call you now? It’s 11:30 here. BTW, I’m not sure if I can download to my cell phone. Can you download to the computer and send in email?
If not that’s okay.. I’ll have to find my connection wire and get my son over here to help me download.
I wish I were more tech savvy..Sorry kiddo,
Let me know what I should do.
TIA
Man I would love to have some of what u guys r taking you all r tripping baby lol
jb.. LOL..no worries..I have all pictures downloaded to my PC now
and putting in my photo bucket..
Any emails you have were from earlier today and yesterday.
Southernman SAYS::Man I would love to have some of what u guys r taking you all r tripping baby lol
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LMAO..No..I’m not tripping..but I have been on a little trip. Not to mention very
little sleep since Thursday..
Personally I was raised to tell the truth like my grandmother always.said if u tell the truth ur story will never change if u lie u can’t keep ur story straight. So y lie when ur baby is missing even Casey admitted she had lied. I guess this is y the Ants can’t keep their story straight it is so hard to remember your lies. Also when watching a jaolhousr video Casey was talking to G&C Casey slips and refers to Caylee in the past sense by saying quote Caylee will b home and b just as she WAS unquote. That has always stuck with me if Caylee was alive y did she use the past sense
Southernman..There are variables concerning lies. Maybe they were lies for
another reason. Maybe lies for Caylee’s safety. Maybe truth in the lies..Maybe not lies
at all. Maybe she was keeping her from Cindy as well?? If she thought she would
try custody..Maybe she needed some time to figure what she was going to do
after she left the A’s home. Maybe she did hand her off to someone she trusted..
and she vanished. Maybe she was involved in something over her head..with
unknown people. I personally had a serious situation similar with a family
member. Guess if you never experienced , maybe not aware of the existence of.
So I guess it depends on which lies..you are referring to. The lies I know she
admitted to..are to her parents, that she was never in Jacksonville etc. And to
LE about Universal. She never said the places like sawgrass and such were lies.
Question..I have asked this over and over..How is it that a REAL ZG was at
Sawgrass on 6/17??? KC didn’t just make this name up then..she told Richard
Grund in 06. So how would she know that this ZG was at sawgrass..and is it
PURE COINCIDENCE that a ZG just happened to go to sawgrass on that day??
I would really appreciate your theory on that!
That is just ONE COINCIDENCE of MANY!!
oh great Snoop!!
I check my email in the morning. Have a good night.
btw, I agree with you about Casey’s lying. Not everything was a lie and there “lies” the mystery.
Good night to you too Southernman.
southernman said,
“Personally I was raised to tell the truth like my grandmother always.said if u tell the truth ur story will never change if u lie u can’t keep ur story straight. So y lie ?”
Oh goooooody, so you too believe Roy Kronk had somthing to do do with Caylees disappeareance!!
After all, Kronk is the one “Proven” to tell the big ones.
then you said,
” I guess this is y the Ants can’t keep their story straight it is so hard to remember your lies.”
What I heard was
I guess this is y Kronk can’t keep his story straight ,it is so hard to remember your lies.
then you said,
“Also when watching a jaolhousr video Casey was talking to G&C Casey slips and refers to Caylee in the past sense by saying quote Caylee will b home and b just as she WAS unquote. That has always stuck with me if Caylee was alive y did she use the past sense”
LOL, you listened to all of Caseys recordings over and over TRYING to find a slip-up and this is the best you could find……..HILARIOUS………
Should she had said,
Caylee will be home and b just as she is?
WTF?
That is soooooooooo NOT incriminating and means absolutely noda!
Here let me finish her sentence,
Caylee will b home and b just as she WAS before she was taken.
Oh boyzerz!!
Wanna talk about someone who refers to Caylee in the past tense,
you oughtta listen to Lee.
Hey Snoop,
hope you had a good nights sleep…….
If you don’t wanna post your photobucket link,
could you email it to me, please?
BTW…. Your the best!!!!!
Y do u believe Casey didn’t kill Caylee she was the last one with her remember @SHE dropped her off at the babysitter oh nanny so she could go to work like normal day LOL Casey’s driving the Death car oh with dead squirrels. Plastered on the engine LOL CASEYS story gets better doesn’t. PLEASE
Southernman,
One question. Did KC sign Zeneida’s name on the vistor card at Saw Grass?
I think not. How do you explain the coincidence?
Who at Saw Grass gave KC information she could use if LE said
they never saw here there via Video Cameras? How do you explain
their lack of investigation just about Saw Grass. I wont get into everything else.
Snoop, you are the best, for sure. I know the frustration. I had to get an external card reader because somebody I won’t name, is rather fumble fingered and bent the pins on both our devices that have slots. I thought you had posted your photobucket addy here somewhere but can’t find it now. I searched their site but it required a password. So, if JB gets them in the mail maybe she can post them.
So, was the tv very near the spot so you could conclude he was searching where she was and should have seen her in November? The spot you said would hold water down a ways, I’m sure is the same spot I was referring to from the elevation may and would likely be where the body hunter dog was headed toward, East of the remains spot.
Southernman, “Caylee will b home and b just as she WAS ” is not strange at all. Was refers to June 16. How can you think this is a slip up? What is the “correct way to say it? If that is the best you can do, you’d better tell OCJ to give you the key so you can set Casey free.
Typo prio post……Never saw :”Her”, not here…..
Over the past almost 3 years I have read a lot about this case and fro what I have seen we went from all the focus being on a child to the focus being on the SOA Defense Judge and the media. Not only was Caylee lost once but seems to stay lost by all. If this case was about a poor person no matter what race we would not be here discussing the case. To me it is very true justice is how much is the price that can be put on it. I know it is the only system we have but it is very bias and flawed IMO. I place this blame on the media whose only purpose is to sell the story. Greed rears its ugly head in situations like this. KC is the only one that knows the real truth. We can have all kinds of theories but we do not know what happened. I am not sure about the DP for anyone because innocent people have lost their lives. I a sure that the asses will be upset either way it goes if she is found guilty or innocent. A lot of emotions have surrounded this case which it cannot be judged on emotion only on circumstances and facts. The jury will have a terrible job because for some they will be ridiculed and for others they will be praised, depending which way people lean for guilt or innocence. I do not know what happened or how it happened only KC does and maybe with the trial we will find out more but I doubt it. I will continue to set back and read how people go from one extreme to another regarding this case and watch how bias from both sides of the fence rear its head. So sad that a little girl named Caylee Marie Anthony has been lost in all of this.
@Diane couldn’t agree more. This is about Caylee she’s the victim not Casey Its not an OJ I.know several people that hasn’t even heard of this story plus OJ was considered a football hero at one time
I think the reason people r so teed off is b/c noone n the Anthony clan stands up for the truth. RIP CAYLEE
I think the public adopted Caylee as her own family seemed to have forgotten her. I could NEVER get beyond the fact that George Anthony said he saw his daughter on June 24th without Caylee and wasnt worried enough about his granddaugter to find out where she was, especially knowing his daughter stole gas due to a breakdown. I’d be worried where she was and if she was stranded on the side of the road. So, that did not sit well with me as George was home most of the time and knew his daughter wasnt working and he’s on record he told the FBI he knew in his heart his daughter wasnt working for over 2 yrs. My personal feelings about GA is he’s involved so yeah, there’s many theories and speculations howver there is common sense.
We’ll see, I do feel LE dropped the ball in this case, and that is not a theory, it’s fact IMOO
Diane and Southern,
While I understand and appreciate your sentiments regarding Caylee being lost in all this mess, let me remind you both that a court of law IS NOT and SHOULD NOT be a place where emotions and sentiments rule the day. With all due respect for precious Caylee, this trial is NOT about Caylee. It’s a legal proceeding to see whether or not the state can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Caylee’s mother caused her death. This trial isn’t about Caylee. Caylee is not on trial. Casey is on trial. The purported purpose of any trial is to determine 1)whether the accused is culpable and 2)if the accused is found culpable, what punishment should be rendered as a result of defendant’s culpability.
If a trial boiled down to sentiment for the victim, no accused person would ever receive a fair trial.
And I’m sure that most people who blog about this case would be thrilled if we just threw the trial out the window and went straight for the hanging. But that’s not how the law works….at least not since the wild west days when a group of vigilantes decided guilt and punishment.
So for everyone out there who wants to keep Caylee in the forefront, I can appreciate the sentiment. People are rightfully upset that a child’s life was ended way, way too soon. But the fact of the matter is that the law says Casey is entitled to a fair trial, overseen by an unbiased judge and an unbiased jury of her peers.
What if Casey is NOT the one who caused Caylee’s death? Will convicting Casey then bring Caylee justice? Does hating Caylee’s family and protesting at their home and criticizing what Casey wears or her teeth or her appearance whatsoever bring justice for Caylee?
So in essence, you are both correct. This trial is NOT about Caylee. It’s about the accused. That’s what trials are. And when the system works the right way, if the accused is proven guilty, then he or she is made to pay for the crime. If the accused is found innocent, then it’s up to LE to find the real culprit and prosecute.
** correction to my above post….
It’s not up to LE to prosecute. It’s up to LE to find the perpetratro and to bring charges, and then up to the state to prosecute.
Diane,
The media focused on the Cummings Case, a child missing from a poor
community so I dont think I agree with your comments about the middle class verses poor communities where missing children are concerned.
Missing children in general is a big money maker when you think about it. Just ask the person searching missing children websites at that Anthony Home!
Dont you wonder why it was so easy for George to jump right into the Missing Children’s CLUB? He said it many times.
Omar,
The State only has what LE brought to them…That is where the problem is.
MOO
Oh, I completely agree with you GasCan!! That is a huge problem, IMO. If LE were as interested in justice for Caylee as the public apparently is, I feel like they should have investigated more thoroughly instead of just trying to build a case against Casey.
If they had looked at all other possibilities and then came to the conclusion that Casey was the only choice, that would be one thing. But they didn’t. It’s like JB said upthread…..LE can build a case against a ham sandwich.
Well if that’s the case seems to me a mother of a missing child wouldn’t give LE the run around @give them something to go on.. George stated he was staking the peeps.out so where do u start with misleading tells. If I was unjustly accused in the murder of my flesh and blood I would b shouting the truth from roof tops. My God Casey isn’t even giving her on defense anything to work with.I believe Cindy had finally had it with Casey stealing especially from her father’s nursing home account and Cindy was gonna try some tough love and threw Casey out of the house as would I. Casey didn’t know how she would make a living for her much less her daughter and like some twisted people at certain tomes Casey thought to herself Caylee would b better off dead then suffering alive sense Casey was at the end of her rope. I think her defense if they truly had put their Client first would’ve worked out a plea deal she would have been out in less then 10 to 20. Everybody is trying to.make this case something it’s not.
Southern….that is your opinion and you’re entitled to that opinion. And I agree, many people ARE trying to make this case something that it isn’t……and you just proved that point in your post above. You don’t know what Casey has given her defense to work with. The trial hasn’t begun. What makes you think you know what Casey has told her defense team? Do you have some insider info? If so, please share it with the rest of us.
I do agree with you, though, Southern, about Cindy being fed up with Casey taking money. I believe that Cindy was trying to use some tough love on Casey with regards to her having taken money, etc. But we can only go by what has been said by Cindy, and she hasn’t said that she threw Casey out of the house. We can ASSUME that she did, but that doesn’t make it true. Knowing that Cindy was mad at Casey is one thing…..turning it in to “she kicked Casey out of the house and Casey didn’t know how she’d support herself so she killed her kid” is pure speculation. I understand that that’s your opinion and theory….and like I said before, you are entitled to your opinion. But we have to be careful that we don’t assume our opinion is fact. We haven’t heard the evidence the defense has yet.
Some say that Caylee has been forgotten in all of this. Most who say that are majority opinionators. Somehow they think that if you think Kc is guilty, that means you are for Caylee. It couldn’t be farther from the truth. It is my opinion that Justice for Caylee is letting the whole truth be known. Caylee has not been forgotten at all. In all of the cases where the wrong person was convicted, the victim was forgotten. We as a country can not stand for this. Do we want our children growing up in a society that convicts the wrong people? Absolutely not. The victims rights are being considered here. The way we do that is to give the defendant a fair trial, to make sure we are not making the mistake of convicting the wrong person. We have a complicated case here. It is not cut and dry. It is not a no brainer. It is very complicated. It warrants the extra effort to make sure we get it right. To make sure we get it right for Caylee. Now and then, cases will be complicated. Does not excuse us from taking the responsibility to go over this trial in detail. Yes it cost more money, yes people are upset, yes we move forward reluctantly, yes it hurts, but we must move forward and cover every little bit of detail.
If we are about to execute someone, we should not be happy about it. We should move forward reluctantly and madder than heck at each other over it. Florida has decided to have a death penalty and use it in this case. No one ever said it was going to be pretty. MOO
Well said, NTS.
NTS — We don’t agree on much, but I agree with the above post. Well said.
notthatsmart
April 11, 2011 at 11:11 am
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Amen!
There is nothing to me that indicates that CA threw Kc out of the house. As a matter of fact, she went to Tony’s and drug Kc back to the house. lol It seems to me after CA closed a checking account for whatever reason, (may not be the reason some think) , she still went ahead and made sure Kc had the money to pay her cell phone bill. That cell bill is key here. You can bet CA wanted to make sure Kc always had a cell phone. All those other checks seem minute to me. 46.00 here, 83.00 here and likely for food and clothing for Caylee. I let my own son take my checks several time to the store to get things for me. I think people are making way too much of that. I will admit that CA may have been making a lame attempt at tough love, but Kc knew better. CA is not tough at all. lol Has everyone seen Caylee and Kc’s bedrooms? lol CA was spending tons of money on both of them. MOO
This is the biggest bunch of bull crap I have ever read. It is obvious by the tone of these articles that the presenter has some sort of one sided battle going on and has not a clue on how to correctly evaluate facts. I will not be back to this site, I assure you.
Mcdsinfo: was that a hit and run? lol
MCDSINFO
April 11, 2011 at 11:30 am
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Well — hello there.
Yuri won, and is now one of the top 8 finalist.
There really r no facts just halftruths,lies and mislead the public and LE. Good for Yuri after putting up with the Anthony’s the Guy deserves something don’t ya think? Well if Casey had it made at home y did she leave for a month and when was she planning on reporting Caylee missing? Another thing amongst all the other hundreds of suspicious behavior of a mother of missing child y would u b concerned about a bamboo root when ur baby is missing why even b worried abot digging up a bamboo root WHEN UR BABY IS MISSING?How could u choose stumbling over a root more important than findimg ur missing child. Not to mention going out of the way to bother ur neighbors shovel. Come on guys even people with no sense at all won’t buy into that one and that’s.a fact.Casey at least could’ve pretended to b concerned. Look at Simmer Thompson’s mom she was a wreak which a parent would’ve been. Everything Casey did and said is very suspicious ..IMO
I meant Sommer sorry I phones lol
Southern , I think she may have borrowed the shovel to break
into her home. As far as Yuri? Sorry, I dont think he deserves anything, investigating is his job I dont feel he went above and beyond anything, and besides, he wasnt the one who found Caylee, let many crucial tips go over his departments heads, etc, etc. Hardly a “Good” investigation in my book. And for gods sake, didnt show up at the Anthony’s home till 3am and left a car at the home reeking of death! Sure, he deserves top rewards.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-casey-anthony-trial-belvin-perry-20110410,0,3251637.story This is a 3 page article, complete with video, that appears to be a public relations piece for Perry. Is this normal, when he has recently been accused of bias? Why does the Sentinel feel the need to devote so much time to this campaign? I must say though, that even though I am questioning his balance in the judgment department right now, there are many things about Perry that I like. He mentions his best friend and mentor and even goes so far as to call him his protector. I thought I’d track him down. He is Judge Richard Conrad and he crossed over this last March. He is said to be a friend to law enforcement and a fair judge. Perry mentions tears that come when he thinks about his great loss, showing he is very human underneath that cold exterior.
MCDSinfo, huh? The above article is simply court documtnets, all the way to the supreme court with some additional information taken from Perry’s own words, published in news articles, complete will links to all. I didn’t create anything. I simply related facts. I did state my opinion based on those facts but that is clearly separate from the heart of the article. I will state one more opinion though. There is no reason for your post, other than to criticism something you don’t want to accept. Now, if you had cited some actual facts that cancel the facts I’ve included above, then that would be a different story. But your comment contains nothing whatsoever of substance. Have a nice day, if you can.
Conrad must have been a protector to Perry’s other close friend, Judge Wattles. He filled the gaps for him at work as his cancer progressed, so he wouldn’t be forced to retire. Wattles was the judge in one of the cases I wrote about above, that Perry took over. So, Perry must have also covered for him, as Conrad did. His wife said, “We would have lost everything. Judge Perry had his back.”
Southernman: Thanks for sticking around and discussing these very important items. You have raised some very good questions and I too am looking for the answers. Kc does not get a freebee on any of those questions. The DT has a lot of explaining to do. Thats for sure. Lets go over your points in detail.
1. Yuri deserves something. Actually it was Yuri (orlando dick tracey on Websleuths) that was asking the posters to keep the grand parents in their prayers. I personally don’t think that YM had as much trouble with the A’s as Sgt John A did. Ym loses respect in my camp because of his actions. Starting with statements like it appeared as though the duct tape was placed there purposefully, it appears that the bones fell out of the bag. I could understand that if the duct tape was attached to the skull i guess. I could understand that if the bag was suspended up in the air somehow and the bones were below, but both were on the ground. Furthermore, YM was very disrespectful to Jb. Why? for what? He constantly answered questions with questions, like define this , define that, he was obviously dodging questions and for no apparent reason. Why not just answer the question? The way he tilted his head spoke volumes of snarkiness to me. Why would someone act like that unless they were trying to hide something. I am suspicious that YM knows more than he is telling.
2.Kc had it made at home. I don’t think so. She had plenty of material things, but living there had to be difficult. Then there is the young person factor. All young people yearn to become independent and sometimes in an ackward sort of way. Young people are free and wild and do not spend their whole day worrying about bills. lol I think the crush factor plays a part as well. I think Kc had a crush on Tony (just a crush), and naturally moved in that direction. Also, there is a certain amount of unwelcomeness that a person can take. I think GA and CA kept pressure on Kc all the time and it makes for an atmosphere that any young person would want to leave. And also, correct and yes, Caylee was missing or at least gone, so how do you go home without Caylee? How do you face the wrath of God? There was a time when Tony went to NY and Kc still did not go home. The defense has said that Kc has a compelling reason for her actions. The DT said on 48 hours that Kc did have someone looking into the matter. At what point did Kc actually feel that Caylee was missing? or kidnapped? Why did she employ this mystery person instead of the police? Questions that will need to be answered at trial. We must wait to get to the whole truth. It is worth it.
3. Bamboo Root: This was early on, like June 18th. At this point, perhaps Kc did not feel that Caylee was in danger. The bamboo root of course should be removed, however, I think the bamboo root thing is third party hearsay from BB, it is not words that came out of Kc’s mouth and we should be very careful to not allow others to put words in her mouth. As far as we know, there could have been a complete unrelated reason for borrowing the shovel.
4. Kc should of at least appeared to look concerned… Well i think first you would have to establish that Kc had a valid reason to be concerned at that point. At what point in Kc’s mind did she realize there was some kind of foul play? Why did she not want the police involved? She said in her interrogation that she was afraid to get police involved out of fear that someone would hurt Caylee, the fear of the unknown. She admits that she gave Caylee to someone that she obviously could not trust. They gave her several outs, at any time she could have said it was an accident and she tried to cover it up. They gave her that out. She did not take any of those great opportunities, instead she stuck to her story and she is still sticking to it to this day. Furthermore, why would an attorney not recommend that she confess to any accident if that was the case? All of her attorneys have stated their belief in her innocence. To me it is worth waiting to hear both sides of the story.. MOO
Zub, Thanks for the link on crime lab error rates. In relation to the subject there is another side of the coin. When there is a trial the evidence is preserved so that the defense has it’s samples to test independently. Here is where I had a problem with the Anthony case. At any time Baez could have had anything tested. He opted to have two articles tested by the touch DNA method and the court granted the money to do so. In court Ashton said there were other cans of sample from the car. There was DNA from the tape and not identified yet I see where the defense did not test anything. They instead hired doctors to read others tests and form an opinion. This becomes a problem when I have read too many other cases that the defense has had evidence tested by another forensic source. I did not see one defense expert that tested any of the evidence collected. I could speculate why but really no reason for not doing one’s own investigation. If the court granted them money for touch DNA I’m quite sure they would have given money for comparative forensic study.
About the shovel….I always thought she may have borrowed it to use as a brace against the shed when she was breaking in to it to steal the gas cans. Isn’t it around that time that GA said his shed was broken into and the lock was broken off? JMO
@Zuben,
Thank you for taking the time to explain your source. I’ve never read a comment that you stated as fact not be backed by a good reliable source just as in this article that you authored was totally backed by fact and ended in your opinion. No question about it. Good job!! as usual..
Good comment nts,
I have no respect for “dick tracy” because it’s so unprofessional to comment on a blog in a monumental case such as this one. I’m surprised his superiors haven’t called him on the carpet. I know I would and I have a feeling after this case goes to trial, there will be several changes made in LE as to what to say and do on your own time. I think I’d feel differently if he hadn’t revealed his true identity. This tells me he was attention seeking. If he just wanted to garner other opinions and information on the case, he would have sat back and pretended to be “just another blogger”.
IMO, There is no way possible to tell where this duct tape was initially applied. Sure it’s still stuck to the hair but considering the derma has decomposed, the glue and the cloth of the duct has disintergrated, how is it possible to know where it was first applied. How do you explain this to a jury as factual when there’s no way of knowing for a fact it was placed over her mouth and nostrils to kill her? Murder weapon = duct tape? No, I don’t think so.
I am sooo ready for trial. Enough of the lies and propaganda, lets get down to the facts of the Casey and hear both sides of the story. Exactly.
kathyc12,
I 100% think that Casey used the shovel to break into the shed,
Yes, it was around the time the gas cans went missing,
and I am sure GA owned a shovel that was, well… locked in the shed!
So if Casey needed a shovel, she would had broke in the shed to get GAs shovel,
just like she broke in the shed to get the gas cans, only the shovel was locked in the shed, so she really didn’t need the shovel for any other use than to get in the shed to get the gas.
Jb, There will be no satisfaction on the placement of the duct tape until the release of the 237 photos to the public. The photos were of the crime scene on Suburban before they removed anything. The defense has the pictures but I don’t know if we will ever get to see them even at trial. It would explain a lot. The bones spread out over an area and pictures of the plant growth around them and in the bag itself. I also would like to see if there was a difference in appearance of the bones that were in the bag and the ones that were in the elements. If we can get the photos it might mean more to a layman’s eyes.
Finally found it. I have been looking for this news story:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17169920/detail.html
Story from August 12th 2008:
2nd Search In 2 Days Called Off
For the second time in two days, Orange County sheriff’s deputies and K-9 units performed a search for Caylee Anthony.
Orange County sheriff’s deputies on Tuesday requested the assistance of Osceola County’s K-9 unit and searched a wooded area near the home of Caylee’s grandparents.
The search was called off and nothing was believed to have been found, Local 6 News reported.
On Monday, deputies searched a wooded area near Lee Vista Boulevard and Narcoossee Road.
George and Cindy Anthony are scheduled to visit their daughter on Thursday.
Local 6 News also reported Tuesday that DNA evidence from Casey Anthony’s car, which was found abandoned last month at an Orange County Amscot, has not yet been returned from the lab.
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Okay, so that is the story I have been searching for . lol Here ya have it: searches on the 11th and 12th in a wooded area near the anthony home.
RK calls in on the 11th
Rk calls in on the 12th
Rk calls in on the 13th
Officer Cain tells RK that this area has already been cleared.
My opinion: Of course Officer Cain already knows that because the Anthony route is his beat. He had been watching them search over the 2 days before that. It is my opinion that they were searching there because of RK calls to 911. Problem is, even with k9′s , they never found anything, so on the 13th they send Officer Cain to meet with RK. Still nothing. Wierd and bizzarre. This is right during the time frame that the 911 calls were coming in. Way too much of a coincidence. I wonder where clickorlando got the information about the searches.. Of course they were all camped out at the Anthony camp, so they probably would have heard pretty quick if someone was searching with dogs in that area. MOO
D, those are very good points. One reason they might not do their own testing is if there was enough of the paperwork connected to the FBI testing, given to them so they knew it was carried out properly and comepletely, with the safegards in place to eliminate any error due to mishandling or malfunction. If any of the dna tests were inculpatory, I’m sure they woud have done their own. I do wish they would have checked all the tape themselves, in case there was more dna to be gained through another more thorough swipe with the swab, especially beetween layers. But they didn’t. Now, if they have good reason to believe the tape wasn’r really on the skull, part of the original crime scene, then they wouldn’t bother with it anyway.
As for the air testing, perhaps their experts believe there was contamination with a chloroform source to begin with. In that case I wouldn’t touch that can of air with a yardstick, let alone the proper equipment. I might wonder though, why they don’t collect their own air and test. Perhaps they don’t believe it is useful at all, which is the point they were making at the Frye hearing. Any of those compounds can be found with other sources of odor, most in the trunk when GA reached the car at the tow yard, the rest already consumed by the maggots.
Since it is the state’s obligation, having the burden of proof, I think a better question would be why has the state not tested the maggot’s gut to find out what they fed on? They conveniently didn’t collect the maggots and preserve immediately though, did they?
Yuri Melich an award? For what, being a late responder and lying through his teeth? Yes, I am bold enough to say that he was lying on the stand in court. His lies are no more believable than Casey Anthony’s. There is no way what he is saying could be misunderstood like CA’s pizza comment. I’d be saying the same thing as her if I found out there was still pizza in the box, the end of June and it had sausage on it. I really hope someone cares enough about the composition of decomposition that they do air studies of humans and pigs..
Now, here’s a question for you. Why do you suppose the ancient texts record Jesus casting demons (the word they used for bacteria and other enemies) out of humans and into the swine and then says, Don’t cast your pearls before swine. Now, we know the pearl through the name Rita, which in the Vedic belief, is the divine energy that created the cosmos, the eternal law, or cosmic order. There seems to be some good evidence that Jesus spent time in the East. Was he expressing knowledge of just how much we are like pigs? Just thought I’d share a little of my afternoon pondering. My paternal grandmother’s maiden name is Swineheart, by the way. An interesting piece of entomological trivia…the middle high German swin, means hog but the old high German, adds an e to get swein, meaning boy. Hart means strong. So, cast your pearls, created through a little irritation, into, instead of before or in front of, a strong boy. Then the demons will be banished forever, transformed into something better, in harmony with the cosmic universal laws.
OMG, NTS, you are the best too. I just refreshed before posting this and saw your post. Must look more closely at this and will comment later. Thanks.
Kathy and Indy: Tony clearly states in his interview that it is he who broke into the shed with his tire iron. That would have been around the 23rd… Brian burner said Kc borrowed the shovel on the 18th. That would be almost a week before the shed was broken into. Hope that helps
NTS, that is correct however I believe she was locked out of her home and used the shovel to gain access to the house….The gas situation is just another break in IMOO….That’s just my hunch.
nts,
WoW !!! I never read that!!
Was this one of TL later interviews with LE?
Because I’m quite sure I remeber him saying he stayed in his car and casey returned with gas cans.
Then I remember in another interview they were discussing how many times he had been to the Anthonys house and LE says, “and the time you went around back and got the gas cans,
we’ll get to that later.”
and nothing more was discussed in that interview about the subject.
Maybe Casey tried the shovel while TL waited and that didn’t work so she asked Tony for help and he broke out the tire iron.
but that doesn’t explain the dates.
Maybe Casey tried on the 18th to break in with the shovel and failed,
then on the 23rdish she needed gas again and TL succeeded with the tire iron.
or maybe TL is lying, he did say he didn’t know the gas was stolen….
how could he NOT know????
And WHY O WHY would he not give Casey gas money??
Great find nts!!
I’ll add it to my links for reference when Kronk is on the stand. Someone has some explaining to do. I think the SEARCH for Caylee during this time frame is crucial to Casey’s defense. Thank you very much.
OK, NTS, August 11 was Tuesday and that is the day news 6 reports OCSO called in Osceola K-9 to search the wooded area near the A home. This article was written on Wednesday, the 12th and updated on the 13th so we have all three days Kronk called in, covered here. They searched near the A home first. I wonder what time of day. Kronk called at 4:28 pm the 11th. We have seen nothing in discovery about LE and K-9s searching that wooded area but it seems like Baez must know, don’t you think? Did he get this info in discovery but it was never released to the public?
I had a scary thought. What if they got wind Kronk saw something, instead of calling him they went there without him and waited for him to call 2 more times before “officially” responding to his call. I’ve always thought, how strange for them to tell him to call back, call crime line, etc, rather than immediately following up on a call reporting a suspected skull. That is just ridiculous to wait 3 days! But, it looks like they didn’t wait. So, why bother sending Cain out their? What in the He!! is going on? Who exactly went with K-9s, where exactly did they search and what did they find?
Zub, I for one do not have alot of belief in the trash bag. First it was thrown away in a garbage dumpster and retrieved later. There are cross contamination issues there. Several news sources tried to replicate the bag, it’s contents in the back of a car if Florida and one source tries four times but could not get the results stated. The one thing I can’t get away from is the chloroform issue. There had to be something there to create the spikes. I have a friend at the U of W that is a Nuclear Physicist going on 27 years. I asked the question of the Mass Spectrometer and Gas Chromatograph and related high tech machines. I was told that because the machines are constantly calibrated with all kinds of chemicals in its data base, that he could find anything and a spike reading would indicate the presents of one or more chemicals in accordance with the base lines that calibrate the machine. This still brings me back to why the defense did not test anything. I know the state has the burden of proof but what about the burden of the defense doing everything in their power to defend their client. Instead of testing they have opted to have evidence thrown out without the scientific knowledge of their own test results. It is a possibility the defense did not want to find out for whatever reason. I still don’t think it’s the best defense to not have a different set of forensic minds looking at evidence that is available to both sides. It’s been done in too many high profile cases. So know I get to the question you asked. It’s unfortunate that I will not debate religion or any of its players for a good reason. Many documents, parchments, writing on cave walls and including the bible, were written past the time of Jesus. The bibles first printing was done several hundred years after his death. Theologians around the world still try, to this day, to decipher the meanings. It becomes subjective from one academy to another. I spent my first 8 years in Catholic school and since then have read on my own and read interpretations of scholars. To this day you can’t sit any four scholars in the same room and get the same outcome. All religions are based on faith and very little fact that can be ascertained through written documents. This is no offense to you but it’s hard to have faith with little facts and no commonality between scholars.
Zuben, 100% agree with you!
There’s a big problem with Area A. I remember at one time thinking the same as you. Is there some kind of cover-up with the search effort on Suburban? But now that you’re saying it too.. well, maybe my first gut feeling was right.
Zub, I didnt think of that. Actually the 911 operators does not even ask him for his phone number in the first call. Tells him to report to the hotline and leaves it at that. However, later, one of the officers calls RK and says it is too dark out there to figure out where he is talking about and ask him to call when he is there, the next day, he calls and they immediatley send Cain out to inspect. Okay, that being said, perhaps they were just kind of watching to see what he was going to do. It seems to me that his description was easy. It is the first break in the woods past the fence. How much more clearer could have it been? They knew right where to search, but yet, no child? They must have been suspicious of him and waited it out to see if he would call back. Wierd
Weird is right! And Cain lost his job over this. Can anyone say Fall guy??
D, first of all, if the bag was closed, the only contamination would be on the outside of the bag. Next, aren’t you assuming they properly calibrated all the equipment or did you see evidence that it was calbrated and everything indicated it was working properly, with no possible contamination from cleaning any of the equipment? Finally, you completely misunderstood. I was not attempting to debate any ancient texts with you. I was simply sharing some thoughts. If you can’t find any appreciation of my mind wanderings, just ignore. I also believe you are mistaken that there is nothing in any of these ancient texts of solid value. You just have to have the right eye to read any of them and the truth is hidden there. Sometimes it takes looking at exactly what the original word in the original language meant though. So much wisdom is lost or hidden through and because of the translation. But, I suppose it would take faith, even to believe that. Nuf said.
Hey Omar,
And “YEP” that’s what I thought. Maybe Cain ought to get his job back, huh?
Well, either that, JB, or the rest of them should lose their jobs too! Smells like cover up mode to me…..so let’s let Cain take the fall. Since there were searches there for 3 days, no wonder Cain didn’t see anything. And Kronk didn’t bother to take him by the hand and say, “Come with me, officer, and I’ll show you the skull I’m talking about…..no, not THAT skull, this one, over here in the bag next to the fallen tree”.
Zub, It was stated in court that the machines had test samples used by many universities and no I did not watch them and wouldn’t matter…. if I didn’t understand the process. I’m sorry if I misunderstood your post but you said you had a question for me so I took it as such. “Now, here’s a question for you.” Maybe this was meant in general or to all.
Nts<——– Silly, pondering and yes speculating. lol
Well what if??
What if they checked it out and they watched him? Watch his moves and lure him back out there to only find a bag of twigs. No big deal, sounds kind of silly, like the keystone cops or something. But, then:
Insert the toothpick cowboy going on National Tv and making a comment alluding to it is possible that the police already knew the body was there.
Insert RK saying that he mentioned that he called this back in August and was told he should keep his mouth shut.
Insert a reward….. Money…..Money….follow the Money….
Okay, I am not one to follow along with conspiracy theories. I hate them and do not really think there was a conspiracy in this case, but man o man, my hinky meter is raised. MOO
NTS, I think we should rename you SmartEnough. Kronk’s calls begin on doc page 3143. This is the crimeline call on August 12, after LE had already had dogs there. This is where the “first break, where a tree is fallen over” is found. Funny thing is, this wording is different than his. In the first 911 he says, “There’s like two little “in” areas you can go and there’s a big, long tree lying down….Well, back behind one of the trees down, there was a gray bag, and then a little bit further up than that, I saw something white.” You are right, no mention of his phone number but he did give it the next day. After that the 911 operator tells him to call the tips line, which he does at 10:17 pm. By this time though, LE has already cleared the area, unknown to Kronk. When he calls back again on Aug. 13, they again ask his phone number. Did Cain already know they had been there and it was a waste of his time?
D, my question was meant to simply share my pondering, not to start a debate that requires a particular faith in anything or anyone, other than the possibility that the truth lies veiled somewhere. I happen to have a great deal of respect for the Jewish laws because they contain a lot of wisdom and knowledge for healthy living, considering the circumstances of their time. I’m not a Jew. I’m not Indian but I have a great deal of respect for the wisdom contained in their writings too. Actually, I thought you might find it interesting that this ancient culture that forbids eating pork and cast demons into them, symbolically, at least, might show that even these people that lived thousands of years ago had a pretty good idea that pig would smell very much the same as humans when they die. They use pig parts in humans now. That was the point of my sharing with you. But I’ll be careful not to do that again if it can be interpreted as religious, in nature. Sorry to offend.
NTS, I am not a conspiracy theorist by nature either but this one just blows me away. Is there something to what Padilla said? Did he have reason for saying that? He did seem to have his nose up someone’s butt but everything he said has proven to be false, at least the things we had any real knowledge about. So, I started just ignoring him completely, much like turning Nancy Grace off it that channel happened to be on.
Omar………you really slay me.
”And Kronk didn’t bother to take him by the hand and say, “Come with me, officer, and I’ll show you the skull I’m talking about…..no, not THAT skull, this one, over here in the bag next to the fallen tree”. LOL
Does anyone know if Cain is on the witness list?
Kathy, Cain has been on the state’s witness list since March of 2009.
Lkb said in an interview with IIRC Pipitone that Cain got a bad wrap and your going to find that out at trial. IMO
I wonder if the tooth pick cowboy theory of the daisy chain leads back to a dead end and was suppose to lead back to KC. The missing link.
As far as the chloroform….
I am wondering if the insecticide was sprayed inside the trunk of the car as insecticide contains chloroform also…I know George had a large can inside the garage which LE confiscated I believe, but not sure.
GasCanGeorge, I don’t think that insecticide sprayed that long before the air sample was taken would still have chloroform in a noticeable amount because it is so volatile. Remember, the trunk was open all the rest of that day until they moved it to the drive way. I could be wrong though. Also, there hasn’t been any sign that they sprayed with anything but Febreeze.
Snoop, if you’re out there, again, thank you for taking pictures. We need a link though, if you’d be so kind. Knowing where DC searched would add another piece to this complicated puzzle. Have a great night all.
@Zuban….Thank you so much….I should go back an re-read everything. There is such a huge cast of characters, it’s really confusing sometimes.
Zub, gascan: But I have to admit that I used to haul lawn chemicals in my car trunk and the fertilizers would go poof when I would drop them in there. I used a lot of dry weednfeed, but when it came to insects, I used diazon. Diazon is a dry product that you apply with a lawn spreader. That would go poof as well. I can’t even imagine how many chemicals have found their way into the carpet in my trunk. lol I guess my point is that not everything is liquid, some is dry and some is slow release. Perhaps slow release sulfur coated urea could sit in a carpet for years until activated by moister or maybe even hitting a hard bump. lol
The chloroform is def a mystery or someone has gone thru great lengths to set her up big time from planting it in a gatorade bottle, to searches, etc, etc.
In my opinion, the chloroform is not a mystery at all. The amount found in the gatorade bottle is so miniscule that it more than likely came from the tap water in the bottle. Many things could have caused chloroform to be in the trunk….many solvents, chlorine from pool water, dyes, dry cleaning products….even the car exhaust. The presence of chloroform itself would not even be an issue if there had not been a search for chloroform on the home computer. Did Casey do the search? At this point, we do not know who did that search. Could someone have tried to set Casey up? It’s possible. If there is a Zanni, and if she did kidnap Caylee, and if she did have a key to the Anthony house (which Cindy said that Zanni had the key that used to belong to Jesse), then maybe she did have a sinister plan to snatch Caylee and frame Casey for it. So I do see your point, GasCan. The chloroform in and of itself would not be an issue at all if it hadn’t been for that computer search in March. Like JB, Kathy and the others, I’m getting really anxious for this trial to begin. So many questions….and I hope we get some answers.
Here’s an article which does a pretty good job at showing how common chloroform can be in the environment:
http://www.ideaconnection.com/solutions/541-Chloroform-as-a-pollutant.html
About the computer searches. First of all, I do not trust the timestamp on any computer. I am a computer tech and I assure you that computers reset their time all the time. All it takes is a few thunders and a couple of lightning bolts and perhaps a sag in electricity.
The searches were done in Mar IIRC. Her boyfriend had “win her over with chloroform” on his myspace account. Perhaps Kc was just curious as to what it was and looked it up. I also wonder if the picture on RM’s site that said win her over with chloroform provided a link to google. Many pictures on the internet are only links to other pictures on the internet.
Finally, “Neck Breaking” was the name of RM’s car club. I can’t help but think Kc was just checking out her BF. IMO
I can’t find R Cains depositions. I find his interviews by Yuri and John, but not his depo by JB on May 13th 2009… Has that not been released in discovery? I suppose if both sides were there, then there would be no reason to turn it over.
I just finished reading his interviews on dec 18th… One at 9 am and one at 3 pm on the same day. He changes his story and says there was no bag, just leaves. Yet he alludes to a bag. Sgt JA says sorry, richard going to have to close the door. Then he goes on to drill him about the consequences of lying. lol
Okay yes it does bother me a little bit that he was fired, but what really bothers me is that he was in the middle of a grievance procedure when he dropped everything and just resigned willingly. that bugs me
NTS….I agree about the computer searches. I know that the Neckbreakers are a car club and that search is easily explained as Casey checking out her boyfriend’s interests. I agree with you about the “kill her with chloroform” myspace thing too. I’ve been on many sites and when you click a picture, it links you to another page or google or something else. As for the time stamps….I learned that the hard way. I was getting on to my kids for lying about what time they were on the computer…..and then they had me check my email time stamps. Oops. After some research, I found that what you just said about time stamps on the computer being unreliable is absolutely true!! After that, I quit yelling at the kids. LOL.
What I DO NOT believe is that Casey whipped up some chloroform and used it on her daughter. That is quite a stretch, in my opinion. I’m more prone to believe that someone came into the house and planted an incriminating computer search on how to make chloroform than I am to believe that Casey looked it up in March and then used it in June to kill Caylee. Both the planted evidence by a third party and the whipping up her own batch of chloroform seem far-fetched to me…..and if I had to bet, I’d bet on the accidental arrival at that site by clicking a link on MySpace.
With regards to Cain, I had a real hard time swallowing the fact that he just quit in the middle of a grievance proceeding too. Like you, I feel there are logical reasons for things outside of conspiracy theories…..but this one really makes me wonder who twisted whose arm.
I forgot to add to my last comment….
what I was going to say at the end of the second paragraph is that it would not surprise me at this point, though, to learn that someone planted evidence to frame Casey. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
Okay, not sure how to expain this and I probably don’t know what I am talking about, but I will try to explain. One of the restaurants that I managed years ago had a low temp Hobart dish machine that held 10 gallons of water. In order to meet the states requirments for safety, we would have to put one cap full of bleach in the machine to achieve 200 parts per million and turn the test strip purple. Yes I am talking about the tiny cap on the bleach bottle.
Dr V had to concentrate the sample to get a reading. Normal readings of chloroform are parts per billion, but in this case we came up with parts per million and that is the high levels they are talking about. To achieve parts per million does not take much IMO. I think this whole time, they are talking about minute trace amounts that they had to concentrate to get a reading. I am not sure why it didn’t disipate unless it was in a solid form. But if it was in a solid form, then why couldn’t they scrape it and get a substance? lol zub/D, let me know if I should just shutup about this? haha
Hi Everyone,
Don’t forget this Casey Anthony Special. CBS 48 Hours (Saturday, April 16)
A friend just sent me this. I’m hoping this one will take a more objective approach than the last one from 2009. It should..considering Casey goes to trial May 9th right? lol
I think the state is going to say that R Cain walked down that path and searched at the end of the log and lifted leaves, but did not see a skull, a laundry bag, 2 gabage bags, a pair of shorts, a disney bag, a blanket, a shirt, letter, duct tape, several bones. WTH???????
or —- R Cain walked down a different path and searched at the end of an unrelated log. Then why fire him?? WTH???????? lol Moo
Thanks Jb…. I believe we are going to see more of the same. Unanswered questions. Jb will always say we will find that out at trial. He is not going to give up his strategy at this point. It seems to me that the 64000 dollar question is “is there a nanny or not” and if not, then what did Kc do with Caylee?????
I hope they do ask him, what is the deal with this juan gonzalez person.
Sorry all..I did get the pictures downloaded but was organizing. I was taking
photos with camera..and phone..in case I had more difficulties with either of them.
I was in the process of trying to wrap it all up.. Getting them into my photo bucket
earlier today…when I got a call my brother in Mi. has had a stroke..so I was tied up
today with communications..and thoughts of
how I would be able to tell my 86yr old mom..who hasn’t been fairing well as of
late. I will get them finished and get a link to you..or to JB with my passcodes
and she can eliminate any duplicates..
I come and look at your comments once in a while, not because I believe Casey is innocent but because I wonder how you explain all the evidence against her. I do not want a wrong person convicted that is for darn sure. And if you have some good reasons for why you think she is innocent then I like to read them. However, it seems very unbelievable to me that you still think there is a zani person out there.
Casey said she had known this person for at least a year and a half, sometimes she says closer to 3 yrs or anything in between. Casey said she was a seasonal worker for Universal. Casey said Juliette, Jeff and others knew her. Jeff had dated her. Only problem is none of those people exist either. There is NO work record for Zani. So this person that has lived in Orlando, worked at Universal , lived at Sawgrass apts , even tho the suite has been empty for 18 months. And not a single soul knows this person ???????????????? That makes sense to you ? Besides which she had no job, so no need for a nanny. People who babysit occasionally are called babysitters, but she had no need for those either because she could lie and say she was going to work and her parents babysat. One person traded babysitting with her so if she did have a reason to need a sitter for an appt, that person could trade off. Casey steals either $4500 or $45000 depending on which report you read, by using Cindy`s credit cards. Her friends, her mom and dad and her brother say she is a liar. She even steals from the grandmothers nursing home expense account and her best friend. All of her “work emails” are all frauds but she uses them to convince her mom that her paycheque is just delayed but of course Cindy never gets the money back. So if Cindy did throw her out, then she sure had good reason for it. If she had been my daughter she would be washing floors with a toothbrush if she stole from me. This girl was perfectly capable of working but she preferred the life she lived I guess. But you would think if Cindy was controlling and wanted to run her life that is exactly what she would have done. Just like all the rest of us do when we want money to spend. If you had to put up with paying everything for the baby, the constant stealing , her wanting to go out lots of nights, Cindy was a saint for letting it go on and on and am sure she only did this for Caylee`s sake. Cindy knew and held it over Casey`s head that she was an unfit mom, and that is her reason for letting it go on and on. Now what is caseys reason for not getting her butt in gear and finding a job ? I bet anything that her parents would have helped if she wanted to take some kind of career courses if she had just said she quit her job or got laid off.
So now explain to me with as much reason as I have done for you , why is it that you think there is a nanny ??????????????? Oh and then if you can explain why instead of leaving her at sawgrass apts at the stairs , like all good moms do, and between 9-1 – why then did the story change to zani and her sister overtook her at JBP ( of course we know there is cameras at sawgrass and she was never gonna show up on them )
I dont really connect with your times of being online I guess but I will come back to see if you left me any answers
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Hello Fran,
Most of the information you mentioned has been debunked. If you want to know, please take a tour of my site and I’m sure you’ll find a few answers. Thanks for dropping in,
jB
Hmm I am pretty current on information and it has not been debunked. Perhaps a handful of you decided it had no merit but it is not in any evidence released. I am not gonna read your whole site, I dont have that kind of time but if you have a particular article and point me to it, then I will read it.
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Hmm..Perhaps, you’ll read first and then decide if we are current on most of the information before you decide we haven’t debunked it?? That’s a much better way I think..but to each his own. Actually..for the same reason you aren’t “gonna” read the whole site is the exact reason why I’m not going to waste my time to explain anything to you. Have a nice day and thanks for the laugh.
jB
New Article Alert!!
http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/from-where-oh-where-will-the-jurors-come/
Don’t forget to vote!!
Wowee. That is one very long and interesting article JB.
I am not a fan of the death penalty. I think it makes for a more violent society in the long run. Having said that, I do not understand why you defend Jose Baez when you are constantly asking for a fair trial for Casey Anthony. This is the lawyer who requested that a judge who has never imposed the death penalty recuse himself for talking to a blogger. Now I have never read that blogger but the consensus seems to be that the blogger himself was relatively unbiased but many people who posted on his blog were calling for blood. If this is correct (and I honestly do not know) then Judge Strickland’s comments to the blogger that he respected his unbiased positions was hardly a reason to ask him to recuse himself. By doing this, Baez had a non-death penalty judge replaced with a hardline judge. To me this is unforgiveable. Baez’ client may die as a result. Not good lawyering in my opinion.
I am intriqued by the way this site takes a mature approach with unique initiative as per each individual maintains their ‘incognito’ status out here on the information highway!! Such avenue shared by all, I am amazed how you all remain informed following strict abbreviated references! Clever…yes, possibly~ All in all, I simply would like to say ‘THANKS’ for sharing such intelligent format while expressing various scenarios for further discussion or rebuttal~ Agreeing to disagree is the most logical approach I ever witnessed during my lifetime~ this site has managed to practice that gracefully…which avoids the inevitable immaturity so many tend to fall victim to! Thanks~ Keep up the info & posting out here! Hopefully, the Anthony trial will manage to enlighten some of our thoughts & beliefs as well as strict unbudging tendencies to react as both ‘judge & jury’ our inquiring minds insist to claim we KNOW~ LOL… I believe we may NEVER really KNOW what truly happened which lil Caylee took with her & another holds tightly sealed as a haunting secret ~
Thank you MsSmurfy,
We’re not perfect but we try.
I snipped this phrase from your comment,
“our thoughts & beliefs as well as strict unbudging tendencies to react as both ‘judge & jury’ our inquiring minds insist to claim we KNOW~ LOL…”
Well-stated!
We really do want to know but I agree, it maybe all for naught but following the judicial process is an eye-opener.
Thanks for stopping in and don’t be a stranger.
theJBMission
RE: Trial Location
Did you not watch the last hearing?
Tampa, Ft Lauderdale, Tallahassee, etc? None of these will have both hotel rooms for around $50 a night, or allow the the legal teams to be there, if they leave @8:00AM. Judge Perry mentioned both of the criteria
You did some nice research, but your premise was way off.
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Lisa, sorry but I disagree. I doubt very seriously Judge Perry will not simply pick a jurisdiction with cheap motels. There are far more important criterias he has to consider but you’re entitled to your opinion and btw, you commented on the wrong thread.
Thanks for your comment,
jB
I have enjoyed perusing your site this evening. Gave me some chuckles here and there as well as some eyebrow raisers to some theories some of you shared. Hope you all are enjoying watching the trial. I know I am.
Judge perry is a very educated man regardless of his eye. His speech is very southern and nothing is wrong with that. To the writer of the letter do you have a problem with his southern slur because he is a African american man if so please look at yourself only a writer and the Honorable Judge Perry the Chief Judge. Haha
Without any doubt, judge Perry is indeed biased prosecution judge who must be removed from this case and from the bench. If I were on Casey Anthony defense team, I would file a motion and would ask Florida Supreme Court to remove judge perry from this case and the sooner the better. I’m not defending Casey Anthony nor she was proven guilty, but biased judges must not be allowed to preside over major cases. Today is Casey Anthony, tomorrow it might be someone else.
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Welcome Romvlvs,
I couldn’t agree more. Your final sentence says it all for me.
“Today is Casey Anthony, tomorrow it might be someone else”
Precisely!
theJBMission~
Regardless of judge Perry education and being one eyed , he is biased and several times violated and keeps violating constitutional and legal rights of the defendant Casey Anthony whom numerous useful idiots already found guilty even before any reasonable doubt. Judge Perry must be removed from her case and further he should not be allowed to preside over major criminal cases because of his bias to this and other defendants.
Judge Perry should learn the English language and also not show his love for the prosecution and his hopes of a death conviction by the jury. He is a loser.
Hello there, I enjoy your blog. Rarely do I find one with indepth amounts of information regarding the Casey Anthony trial. Is there some thing I can do to receive updates like a subscription or some thing? I am sorry I am not acquainted with RSS?
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Well, hello Helen. I never saw your post and don’t think I’ve seen you post in any of the other threads. I hope you see this so I can welcome you. I just happened to come here to post some comments I saw that I thought would be interesting to add here because it shows how the attitudes of Casey haters have changed toward Perry. Before they sang his praises each time he refused to hear the defense, admonished, fined and slapped them in the face. They sang his praises and I remember some comments from trolls bashing us for daring to point out Perry is far from perfect. Now all of a sudden he’s a horrible judge. Perry has a lot of fair weather friends and groupies. Here’s a sampling I picked up while browsing away from my home here.
I guess it’s ok for the prosecutor to lie to the jury and not correct their lie. If the jury had found her not guilty she would have, at the very least, been given a new trial over that little trick. There is sufficient evidence that they knew all along that there was not 84 searches for chloroform. There were several things I’m sure the high court would shoot down Perry and none of them would be considered a bias in favor of Baez. Hey, does that rhyme?
Yes it does rhyme Zuben,
Just like the rhythm of the Flip Floppers. One day HHJP is a saint, the next day he’s a sinner.
It must be hard for the Flip Floppers to go back and retrack all of their comments but I guess that’s the reason for all of the new names, they’re busy changing them.
I’m glad you brought this comment here. It seems we’re still in the minority.. oh well,
But then again, I wouldn’t want to be in any other place.
Have a nice weekend!