DR. JANE H. BOCK (Expert)
University of Colorado
Ecology and Evolutionary Biology Dept.
Boulder, Colorado 80309
1. Dr. Bock curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 1.
2. Dr Bock’s field of expertise or medical specialty is Forensic Botany.
3. If Dr Bock were called to testify, her specific subject area will be Forensic Botany.
4. The substance of the facts which Dr Bock would be called to testify, would depend on the following:
• Whether the State calls Dr. Hall as an expert witness.
• Whether Dr Hall’s opinions are approved by this court as being based on scientific principles (Frye
challenge)
• Whether Dr Hall can effectively survive cross examination.
If this Court should allow Dr Hall to testify, Dr Bock would be called to rebut his findings dealing with the recovery site and his conclusions based on viewing photographs of the recovery site.
5. A summary of Dr Bock’s testimony can be obtained from viewing her affidavit as listed under exhibit 2. She would rebut Dr Hall’s where he claims that he can determine the growth rate of roots, when he doesn’t even know the type of plant and without having viewed the root and seeing them from un-scaled photographs.
DR. SCOTT FAIRGRIEVE (Expert)
Chair, Department of Forensic Science
Laurentian University
935 Ramsey Lake Road
F-323A, Third Floor, Science 2 Bldg.
Sudbury ON P3E 2C6
1. Dr Fairgrieve’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 3.
2. Dr Fairgrieve’s field of expertise or medical specialty is forensic anthropology.
3. If Dr Fairgrieve were called to testify his specific subject area will be that involving cadaver dogs.
4. If Dr Fairgrieve were called to testify would depend on the following:
• Will this Court for the first time in the history of this state admit testimony concerning cadaver dog “alerts” as substantive testimony.
• Will this Court allow a canine to testify, via a dog handler, given Miss Anthony’s 6th amendment rights to confront her accusers and despite the fact that all “alerts” in this case are unrecorded, and resulted in negative results for human remains?
The substance of Dr Fairgrieve’s testimony would depend on the above and to rebut the testimony of the cadaver dog handlers in this case.
5. Of course a dog cannot testify. In the event that the State attempts this unusual tactic, a summary of Dr Fairgrieve’s testimony is that cadaver dogs are a tool and nothing more, absent the finding of human remains in their searchers, very little can be ascertained from such alerts.
DR. HENRY LEE (Expert)
University of New Haven
Forensic Science Program
300 Orange Avenue
West Haven, Ct 05616
1. Dr Lee’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 4.
2. Dr Lee’s field of expertise is Criminalistics.
3. If Dr Lee were called to testify, the subjects that he will render opinions on are crime scene analysis, collection and preservation as well as recovery.
4. Dr Lee inspected the Pontiac Sunfire driven by Miss Anthony. Dr Lee also inspected the recovery site photographs and also inspected the recovery site.
5. If Dr Lee were called to testify, the substance of the facts that he would be expected to testify would be to rebut any false claims raised by CSI investigators in this case. Until that occurs it is difficult to give a complete summary of his opinions and the grounds for those opinions.
DR. WERNER SPITZ (Expert)
23001 Greater Mack
St. Clair Shores, Michigan 48080-1996
1. Dr Spitz’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 5.
2. Dr Spitz’s field of expertise is forensic pathology.
3. If Dr Spitz were called to testify, the subject that he would render opinions on are his autopsy findings and those of Dr Garavaglia.
4. The substance of the facts that Dr Spitz will testify is that on December 24, 2008, he conducted a second autopsy on the decedent and found no signs of trauma and could not find a cause of death.
5. The summary of Dr Spitz’s testimony would relate to the condition of Caylee Marie Anthony’s remains and her cause of death.
DR. KATHY REICHS
1818 Craigmore Drive
Charlotte, NC 28226
1. Dr Reichs’ curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 6.
2. Dr Reichs’ field of expertise is forensic anthropology.
3. If Dr Reichs were called to testify, the subjects that she will render opinions on are forensic anthropology.
4. Dr. Reichs completed a full anthropological exam on Caylee Marie Anthony, she found no signs of antemortem trauma to Caylee Marie Anthony’s remains.
5. If Dr Reichs would be called to testify, the substance of the facts that she would be expected to testify to would be to rebut any false claims raised by the State’s forensic anthropologists. Until that occurs it is difficult to give a complete summary of her opinions and the grounds for those opinions.
DR. TIM HUNTINGTON (Expert)
Asst. Prof. of Biology
Concordia University, Nebraska
800 N. Columbia Ave.
Seward, NE 68434
1. Dr Huntington’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 7.
2. Dr Huntington’s field of expertise is forensic entomology.
3. If Dr Huntington were called to testify, the subject matter that he would render opinions to testify, the subject matter that he would render opinions on are forensic entomology.
4. The substance of the facts that Huntington would testify to are to rebut the claims made by Dr Haskill in his report and any testimony that he may provide in that regard. The only exceptions that Dr Huntington does agree with are the insect identification (including coffin flies) and he agrees with Dr Haskill that Caylee Marie Anthony’s body decomposed at another location and NOT the recovery site.
5. Dr Huntington’s opinions will agree with Dr Haskill that there were NO coffin flies found in the trunk of the Pontiac Sunfire, and that based on the insect activity her remains decomposed at another location. If Dr Huntington were called to testify, he would rebut any other claims that were not based on any scientific explanations.
DR. KENNETH FURTON (Expert)
University Medical & Forensic Consultants, Inc.
10130 Northlake Boulevard, Suite 214
West Palm Beach, Florida 33412
1. Dr Furton’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 8.
2. Dr Furton’s field of expertise is forensic chemistry.
3. If Dr Furton were called to testify the subject matter that he would render opinions on are forensic chemistry.
4. If Dr Furton were called to testify, the substance of facts that he would testify to would relate to the cadaver dog “alerts.” And those opinions rendered by the Oakridge laboratories.
5. The substance of Dr Furton’s testimony would if the were called to testify to are that the cadaver dog is a tool, not a witness. He will be able to testify about the procedures and limitations of cadaver dogs, as well as the odors of decomposition and the limitations in sound scientific principles currently used in decompositional odors.
DR. BARRY LOGAN (Expert)
National Medical Services, Inc.
3701 Welsh Road
Post Office Box 433A
Willow Grove, PA 19090
1. Dr Logan’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 9.
2. Dr Logan’s field of expertise is forensic chemistry.
3. If Dr Logan were called to testify the subject matter that he would testify to is forensic chemistry.
4. If Dr Logan were called to testify would depend on the Court admitting for the first time in any State air samples tested by Oakridge Laboratories.
5. The summary of Dr Logan’s testimony is that he disagrees with the methodology employed by Oakridge laboratories in their “Forensic Report.” That the science employed is not recognized in the scientific community.
DR. JOHN LEESON (Expert)
1208 Wolverine Trail
Winter Springs, FL 32708
1. Dr Leeson’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 10.
2. Dr Leeson’s field of expertise is digital forensics.
3. If Dr Leeson were called to testify the subject matter that he would testify to is digital forensics.
4. Dr Leeson has reviewed the reports issued by State experts Sandra Cawn and Kevin Stenger.
5. If Dr Leeson would be called to testify, the substance of the facts that he would be expected to testify to would be to rebut any false claims raised by the State’s forensic computer experts. Until that occurs it is difficult to give a complete summary of his opinions and the grounds for those opinions.
DR. WILLIAM RODRIGUEZ (Expert)
16465 Old Frederick Rd.
Mt. Airy, MD 21771
1. Dr Rodriguez’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 11.
2. Dr Rodriguez’s field of expertise is forensic anthropology with an emphasis in taphonomy.
3. If Dr Rodriguez were called to testify the subject matter that he would testify to would be forensic taphonomy.
4. Dr Rodriguez has reviewed all reports dealing with the remains of Caylee Marie Anthony and those specifically discussing decomposition.
5. If Dr Rodriguez would be called to testify, the substance of the facts that he would be expected to testify to would be to rebut any false claims raised by the State’s forensic experts dealing taphonomy. Until that occurs it is difficult to give a complete summary of his opinions and the grounds for those opinions.
RICHARD EIKELENBOOM (Expert)
Poppeswegje 36, 8077 RT Hulshorst
The Netherlands
1. Richard Eikelenboom’s CV is attached as exhibit 12.
2. Mr. Eikelenboom’s field of expertise is DNA, crime scene analysis and trace recovery.
3. If Mr. Eikelenboom were called to testify, he would testify in the areas of DNA, crime scene analysis and trace recovery.
4. Mr. Eikelenboom has reviewed all of the reports and photographs taken at the recovery site and has personally inspected many of the items.
5. If Mr. Eikelenboom would be called to testify, the substance of the facts that he would be expected to testify to would be to rebut any false claims raised by the State’s forensic experts dealing with DNA, crime scene analysis or trace recovery. Until that occurs it is difficult to give a complete summary of his opinions and the grounds for those opinions.
DR. MICHAEL FREEMAN
1. Dr Freeman’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 13.
2. Dr Freeman’s field of expertise is that of a forensic Epidemiologist.
3. If Dr Freeman were called to testify, he would testify in the area of forensic epidemiology.
4. Dr Freeman is still in the early stages of consultation, the defense has notified the State of this, he was listed in an abundance of caution to meet the deadlines set by this court. No further information can be provided at this time.
http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/documents/SKMBT_C45210121512020.pdf
Certificate of Service:
This is a copy of the above and foregoing that has been furnished to the Office of the State Attorney, 415 North Orange Avenue, Orlando, Florida 32801 on December 14, 2010 by facsimile, then later via the WWW and finally …
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IMO, the Defense did an excellent job of compliance. Notice the 5 criterias are listed nicely just as Judge Perry ordered. Ashton should be a happy guy.
Good morning, JB and all. Yes, he gave everything Ashton could ask for and more. The state hasn’t revealed which points they will use as their evidence. The defense has gone one step further than the state, IMO, listing details they will focus on. I tend to think it is unfair that the defense is required to do this. It stands to reason and is common sense, that the defense will address any and all points the state uses in court, that they can dispute. Why should they be require to hand to the state on a silver platter, which points they have found a contradiction on? It amounts to being given a both a quiz (which tells you what the instructor will expect you to know) and a final exam while the defense is only given the final exam.
So, is Baez saying that the botanist only had normal photographs, not the actual roots and not photos with the root placed on an appropriate scale ruler? This just blows me away. I managed to take a couple of minutes to read this but haven’t had time to ponder. I spent 14 hours 1 day, 9 the next, working out software issues, most likely related to a recent vista update that made my most important software unusable. Vista is such a pain. I can’t believe a man can sell so many mistakes and become a billionaire doing so. Anyway, I worked out the bugs and now have a ton of work to catch up on. But I had to take a few minutes here before I start my day.
Have a great one.
Good Morning Zuben,
I’m so happy to hear you’ve got your software up & working. I know the feeling too well. I think my next computer will be a Mac. I’ve heard great things about them lately. They’re less likely to get virus infected too.
i thought of you when I read this snipplet about Dr. Bock:
5. She would rebut Dr Hall’s where he claims that he can determine the growth rate of roots, when he doesn’t even know the type of plant and without having viewed the root and seeing them from un-scaled photographs
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Do you think Dr. Bock knows potato vine when she sees it. Just wondering…if you two should share gardening tips.
I’m thinking the same thing as you. Where is the State’s Probable Expert Testimony??
Do they even have any? Just sounds so unfair and unheard of. Obviously Baez and Cheney were dumbfounded as well. It might be a good time for Judge Perry to watch his step because he may just get what he’s been trying to avoid, grounds for appeal.
Well, I know you’re busy. I hope you have a good productive day now that the kinks are all ironed out.
Hi all! Hope everyone is enjoying the season.
I spent part of my day reading the letters released today. It was hard to keep going without gaging. Casey relentlessly talking about God and scripture made me a little ill. I am a person of faith but not a hypocrite. Where were KC’s belief and structure from June 16th-July 15th 2008 when her daughter was missing? She did not seek out clergy for clarity, instead went about her merry life of clubbing, spending hours on her phone with all her friends and trying to avoid her parents. This really got my goat especially about how she talks about the “holier than thou” Richard Grund. The more I read the less I read about Caylee. More later after I calm down.
Listened to the Joe Jordan intnerview and feel many owe him an apology. He sounded quite scincere and not rehearsed by anyone. JMO. I can’t wait for Laura Buchanan’s interview. I’m hoping to get an email from the Man Haters Club to see if they will take LB on as a special interest case.
Talk to ya’ll tomorrow…..Christmas fun tonight so I won’t get a chance to listen the the rest of the interviews until early am.
Hi Damagd,
I’ve been busy too with the holiday rush so I haven’t had time to read the new docs. I expected the letters would be redundant as usual.
D, I don’t know why you’re so upset with KC’s new found religion. It happens to all inmates when they’re locked up, they seek help in God even if it’s for the first time, so it makes sense that KC would do the same. From my Catholic upbringing, God loves each of us the same. We are all sinners and he forgives us if we ask. Jesus died on the cross to save EVERYONE in the world not just a select few.
Well, I guess it’s time to get off the pulpit and do some reading.
Merry Christmas to you Damadgpets!
JB AMEN!!!!! Thank you!
D, I hope you have calmed down and maybe spent a little time in the Spirit.Don’t you
think the statement of being a person of faith and going on to judge someone who has
lost their way, or just turning their life to God, sounds like a hypocrite!
In early recorded tapes with her parents, she discussed her faith and the bible.
She also discussed conversations with the preacher who came to talk with her,
and his advise. I don’t think this is Casey’s first act of faith. Regardless of what
has happened, the Lord was, is, there for her all in the asking. A person of faith,
should be joyous for that! A person without faith, or a hypocrite only, would see
different.
BTW “we do not” know as of yet what happened. Their could be many variables why
it appears that Casey was care free. There is still way to many unanswered questions
at this point. But regardless, God has a way of bringing us to our knees, been there
many times. God has a purpose for us all, and rejoices in those that praise him. Whether
Casey is in prison, or on the outside, perhaps he now has a mission for her. And just
perhaps that persona she has been recognized as having, is not a cold hearted murderer.
But strength bestowed in her by a loving God, and faith in knowing she is innocent of
murder.
Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
It is not easy to always have your faith..it is hard work. It is not always easy not to
question..it is difficult in difficult times. It is not easy to follow the laws given to us..
but God demands it. I too am a person of faith, raised Baptist, but my religion is GOD.
God Bless and Merry Christmas Damagdpets!
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Hi all. Just stopped in to say hi. I see that a certain Cruz is up the River without a paddle to spit on. The pics that supposedly prove her intimacy with Mr. Anthony are nothing more than her being graciously admitted to Caylee’s birthday celebration. Yes, they are all at the same time and place, according to the clothing they are wearing. How dare these sisters insert themselves in this way and tarnish the honoring of a little girl’s life being honored. http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/26171656/detail.html But what bothers me even more is why they needed to be released at all. They have nothing to do with the murder of Caylee Anthony. It looks to me like another lame attempt by LE to find something to make their case more believable.
D, I guess I can understand your skepticism but regardless of guilt or innocence, people incarcerated tend to find or renew their relationship with God, their Higher Self. An unrepentant guilty person surely doesn’t bring God into his assumed private conversations with another inmate. They may put on a show with the chaplin, psychologist and other jail personnel but not someone that can’t benefit them. That’s all I have to say about that.
As for Joe Jordon, I attempted one listen but was inturrupted several times so need to listen again more focused. I did get the strong impression he was afraid of being in big trouble but also notice the way he kept hesitating on certain answers, several times so need to look at the group of questions that jumped out at me. So, exactly what is known about this Oviedo location. I know that name has come up before. I was also struck by his dedication to blogging at the two most anti Casey sites out there. I’ve even read more than one person saying they want the pleasure of giving her the needle. What a blood thirsty mentality. I could never wish to take another person’s life.
Snoop, I can relate to the log in the eye. The speck is what they call a floater. I believe it is caused by looking directly at the Sun. You know how they say you can’t look god in the face and live? Well, look at the Sun/Son and you get a reflection burned in your retina. The only time you notice it is when you look up at the grey sky far away. You will see it run ahead as you try to look directly at it so it’s like a cat chasing it’s tail. Now, a log must come from looking more than once, not learning the lesson the first time. What I see is two specks connected together with a chord like line, that gyrates, moving along with both specks as if it is a log, a record of both times one dared to look at the Sun of God. Any one know the cure?
Good evening Hazaka & Zuben,
It’s my opinion that because this was a monstrous crime against a beautiful baby LE and the media chose to demonized Casey because there wasn’t any solid evidence against her.
Obviously the reason for publicizing Casey’s night club photos, her own mother’s words against her, “the smell of the car” and everything else over the last 2 years to THIS DAY they are still attempting to malign her father by publishing pictures of George and River Cruz which has nothing to do with proving Casey Anthony murdered her daughter Caylee.
This investigation was one where speculation became fact and perception became reality. Zuben, there will be those that don’t care about any facts because they simply are tired of hearing about this case and want to move on. For those intimately connected with this case, however, that’s impossible for Cindy and George.
The victim Caylee Anthony, in this case demands to be heard, and our system of justice should also demand that every piece of real evidence be shared with the public which remains to be seen.
Good morning. I took a few minutes to see what i could find on Oviedo, connected to Casey Anthony. The first time I find the name is in the chat fragments with Tony, May 6, when he asks here where the sitter because Casey says Cindy is sick and he wants her to come over.
casey o marie (7:10:14 PM): picking up her dog, in oviedo
Keep in mind Cindy talked about Caylee mentioning Zanny’s dog. The next date I see Oviedo is a message from Amy to Casey:
June 24 – Chat to Casey from Amy: I’m still at Ricardo and JPs… hopefully everything works out soon! Hey, so I forwarded my mail a little late… any idea how to get my insurance stuff that got mailed to the Oviedo house?
So, I would assume Amy lived in Oviedo before moving in to Rico and JP’s place? Now, what is interesting is that JP Chatt is listed by more than one search engine with an Oviedo address. Here’s one showing both Oviedo and Puerto Rico. http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/criminal-records/names/fl+oviedo/john/chatt.html OH, here is where Jordan must have gotten the Oviedo house info from, his Websleugth buddies. There’s a whole thread about it. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70728 Here is the house in question. http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/895-N-Lake-Jessup-Ave-Oviedo-FL-32765/47647659_zpid/ That thread is quite short, with one guest appearance by Jordan then he started his own thread about it here http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70761 This is an interesting post of his,
09-09-2008, 10:24 PM
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Alligators are a huge problem. I don’t know how you avoid them, but we have only had 19 alligator fatalities since 1948. We will most likely be searching in areas accessible to people. We are leaving water searches up to professionals. The only places we will be searching is ground. Water is a huge concern because FBI statistics show that 78% of mothers that kill their child put them in water. Another 12% put them close to the road within I think 50 feet? and ONLY 2% place them in the garbage. We are also dealing with the daughter of a homicide investigator that knows these statistics. So we don’t know who was involved or what these people were capable of doing. But we will stick to areas of traffic by car and foot within reasonable distances from the road.
End quote. So, are we to assume he wouldn’t be determined to search water areas close to the road? He had a site named josephsjorden dotcom but it is a dead link now. Post 146 in the thread linked above, Jordan announced they were doing independent searches and where to meet to join them on Sept. 13. Then he just stops posing. Next thing you know a year later it is bumped due to the discovery information.
According to the info Zub gathered
Jenna Prentice is from Oviedo and I believe so is Erica Gonzalez. http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/2010/10/18/casey-anthony-phone-logs-communications/ I believe one Oviedo house could belong to Lauren. There is a pic of Casey and Caylee there. Morales tagged on photo BBQ at Lauren’s.
Jamie Realander lives in Oviedo, according to the State’s witness list. So, it looks like Oviedo was important because Casey had connections to friends there. Apparently Jordan and some other bloggers thought something they found there was Caylee and she was moved.
Re: Jordan’s interview…he said there was one main accessible entry into the woods, down near the wooden fence and there was one bag on top of the ground that he saw. LE seems to want to establish there are other places someone could enter the woods but I’ve seen what it looked like before they cleared it, through Google earth and maps, images taken before this incident and that area where Caylee was found is the only obvious way in. It is a clear used pathway so it is obvious that is where Kronk would go in to relieve himself. No one is going to push their way through air potato vine to leave a filled bag. The smell he observed was further east, toward the school, not in Caylee’s area. He said the water started out about 5-10 feet in. He said he saw between 5 and 10 garbage bags on Suburban drive during the 3-4 hours he was searching, including behind the school but then changed it to say that included a church area too. Dogs searched in about 10′ for about 5 minutes.
Brett Churchill convinced him he was wrong in what he said in the emails he sent to LE because he told him Caylee was really found 40′ diagonally from the opening he thought she was found at. I believe Brett Churchill misinformed him, didn’t he? He was convinced that Caylee was moved because a person from Child Watch who had qualifications as a search and rescue person with a trained dog said there was something there, a body had been there at the house/property in Oviedo. LE was rather condescending toward him, asking what made him think he or any of the others were qualified to know anything. This Child Watch person supposedly was in contact with LE. Have we seen that in the docs? Well, anyway, I now understand what he meant about Oviedo and why anyone would be searching that area.
I think the strongest impression got from listening to this interview is that LE was quite determined to bring up anything incriminatory about Casey. Jordan was talking about Amy, even saying her last name so they would know who he was talking about and LE interrupts him to say, oh, you mean the woman that Casey stole the checks from. Are we to believe he didn’t know who Amy was unless he associated her with the checks? Oh, and he kept bring up Zanny the Nanny and seemed to be hoping to get something on Dominic Casey and George. Is it really suspicious if George doesn’t bring up the nanny with Jordon who is offering to print some flyers and search for his grandaughter? I woudn’t think it appropriate for George to go into that sort of thing about the case with a search team leader that is searching for remains. He wasn’t doing any live searches.
Night JB and all.
It seems to me that bloggers on other sites are constantly yearning for drama. Anything like this(Krystal H) comes out, they jump on it and dedicate several pages to the subject matter. What I don’t understand is, why does the state just seem to jump on the band wagon. It seems this last dump had a lot to do about the drama between KH and GA, otherwise no substance. Just rehash of old stuff in which they do a lot. When is the state going to produce some substance? When are the frye hearings?
Hey NTS,
I’m so sorry for what you go through simply because of your perspective. To be called a pervert because you think Casey looks innocent in a picture is appalling!!
Honestly, I believe the State jumps on the band wagon with the press is because their case against KC is weak.
When I posted this article, I made no personal opinions, just copied the document so it is clear and it is FACTUAL. No spin needed. This is WHAT Baez submitted to the State.
Clearly this is why Baez didn’t give Ashton anything until he heard EXACTLY what Judge Perry wanted him to submit. Nothing more, nothing Less but the bloggers fail to see the truth. It’s not enough drama for them.
“This investigation was one where speculation became fact and perception became reality”
NTS, I think some think this case is a soap opera “The Days and Lives of the Anthonys”
Yes, River Cruz is old news. Do you think the State is planning on conceding to an accidental death now?? I’m curious as to why they had to release this to Baez in the first place.
Hi Zub,
Wow, that was a long interview! I got the same impression from the detectives when he mentions Amy, GA & DC, to me they’re forming his sentences.
September 1st search:
- finds bag with tattered clothes, male shoes 5 ft off of the road..hmm.
- He’s searching along with searchers and dogs. He says the dogs went into the water up to their bellies. What’s odd about this is he says the water was ½ to 1 ft. deep.
My question, how big are the dogs? Were they dashhounds? Most medium sized dogs have a mid-section that’s about 12 inches from the ground so wouldn’t that mean the dogs were in the middle of the deepest water? That would mean the dogs would’ve been right on top of something which doesn’t help the State, imo.
He’s very confusing like he’s trying to cover up something. Is he afraid of revealing his internet activity? We all know he’s changed his mind from what he calls a “knee jerk reaction” when he emails Det. EE, (not sure Det. name) on the day Caylee was found when he’s adamant that he had searched this area with dog handlers, one of them belonging to a Panama Police deputy but NOW he’s not sure. I don’t recall seeing JJ’s emails to LE. Help me someone, if you can…I can’t find anything.
Another thought came to mind, could this” knee jerk reaction” being compared to Cindy’s “excited utterance”? So if Cindy’s knee jerk reaction is admissable IMO, Joe Jordan’s knee jerk reaction should be too.
In any case, he does verify what we already knew, Suburban Drive was swarming with searchers during this time in late August and early September 08 according to JJ’s estimate, about 100 searchers. We know this from Gale St. John too.
Has anyone here seen pictures of the area he mentions a “pink blanket, cooler and something that smelled funny” he found near the small fenced off pump area on Suburban?
I also found it fishy when he was asked if this was his 1st time searching this area? The question seemed to catch him off guard and didn’t know what to say.
Indeed JJ has a plethora of information on the Oviedo house. He’s a blogger at WS & SM and he made his opinion known of what he thinks of the Ant Family too. I think he’s afraid because he knows his information will not help the State. When he initially contacted LE, did LE respond to his email? In my experiences, your first reaction is usually your best reaction.
KC in court again to day.
http://www.wftv.com/news/26192574/detail.html
Snipped:
The defense says some of Casey’s relatives in Ohio and others, who have known her and her family since she was a child, don’t want to help her stay off death row if she’s convicted of murdering her daughter, Caylee Anthony, because they don’t want to be contacted or covered by the media.
Seems that people in the “know”, family and friends, know KC’s character and her life of deceit. It sounds like they will have to be dragged to court if mitigation is needed. Where have all these people been the last 2 years? I know where they have not been….supporting KC.
I went back quite aways through Wesh, WFTV, The Sentinel, etc and can’t find where the media has been camped out or hunted people down. Unless the defense can bring examples of this so called harassment, Perry might strike this motion down.
Expert witnesses: I hope everyone is keeping in mind what these people have to work with. Regardless of who they are testifying for…they can only go by the evidence gathered, Samples, pictures, drawing, etc., because they were not at the crime scene. Standard procedure is that crime scene investigators gather any and everything and then the experts proof it for testimony in court. It’s rare that an expert gets to see a crime scene right after it’s found. This is really too bad….they would have so much more to work with.
Damagdpets,
Thanks for the link. I’ve been out all day and I’m just signing on.
Wow, WFTV has ascertained that because her family from Ohio who haven’t seen her since was 4 or 5 years old refuse to speak on her behalf to keep her off of death row?? hmm..
I doubt that is the reason. I have cousins all over the United States that I wouldn’t testify for either because Honestly, I don’t know them. I have life long friends that I know better than some family.
I think it’s more like they don’t want their names splattered all over the Florida newspapers and the internet.. especially this early in the game. I guess they’ll cross that bridge when they get to it. LOL Why would they want to feed the media hounds now??
I think I’ll make this my NEW mantra:
“This investigation was one where speculation became fact and perception became reality”
I realize a lot of people are making a big hoo ha about the relatives who have said they don’t want to testify in her behalf if needed …. what I don’t understand is … why they would be asked to speak on her behalf? At this point, they don’t know her nor what happened. Who suggested that they should/would be called?
Hazaka,
Have you seen this?
http://www.wftv.com/video/26171631/index.html
How can anyone consider WFTV a respectable news station when they showcase something like this? This disrespects a dead child. Shame on them!!
I bet Kathi Belich encouraged them.————————–
correction; WFTV, nor the SAO’s created the Jib Jab video but I still feel WFTV was under no obligation to post a link to the video which I find inappropriate. I would expect to see this on youtube or a blog but not at a supposedly credible news source.
JB
JB — I had to watch this twice to believe what I was seeing…. I am nauseated and disgustd! And, to my mind, as you must know, Belich is a rank amatuer .. and I say this from my 32 + years in broadcasting! And, others aren’t that respectable nor professional either! I had lovely day with my husband, daughter and her financee going over future weddding plans …. seeing this breaks my heart.
Hi all Happy Holidays. Just dropped in for a minute to read posts, am curious if anyone listened to LCs interview. I was surprised by some of the things she said happened regarding searches, Tim Miller and the Anthony’s. I think after January we will begin to see a lot more hearings. Also interesting that Dr. Henry Lee may not testify, JB needs to fix this. Also am curious that the documents that were turned over by the FBI to JB have not been released as of yet.
Well Congrats to you Hazaka. It sounds like you had a very lovely day. Love is in the air.
In your career have you EVER seen such nonsense pertaining to the murder of a child? Hazaka, this is no joke. I’m appalled. I’m seeing a lawsuit in the works.
Have a good evening. BTW, I think it’s true, brilliant minds think alike. HA!!
Happy Holidays to you too diane!
I hate to sound dumb but who’s LC? Lately I haven’t seen anything newsworthy. As for Dr. Lee, I don’t think he was very important anyway. From what I recall, all he did was find a few extra hairs for LE. I think the botantist and anthropologist will be the most important.
But what do we really know? Thing like this change all the time. In walks one expert and out walks another..LOL
Hi all..been extremely busy with work. I did not take the time to go over the letters, listened to Holloway. But my main focus was the Equa search investigator audios http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/december/184418/New-Casey-Anthony-evidence-released
Funny Diane you should bring up LC(Laurie Cree) as that was an interesting audio.
That is why I was going to post as I did not see any mention of her audio. I listened to
that before Joe Jordon. She is quite detailed about the searches..She seems not to be
influenced by LE. They thanked her for coming..she said nothing. She repetitively states
Many, many searches in that area. Her and Brett(maintenance man Holiday Inn where Tim was staying) his wife shelly Joseph Jordon. Ralph (ex marine whos job was searching for dead bodies in Viet Nam) , Tony Revinski, another Brett from Citrus county (west coast fl) Ex dea agent,lynn, Casper, Anna, Diane..and maybe others independently searched on weekends. In Sept. they had a massive search with the Sheriff’s office and their team of canines..as well as 12 other canines. She is very descriptive about the pink blanket and cooler etc. I found her audio VERY interesting. I took several notes and compared to JJ. They teamed with equa search and independently. She is descriptive of the fences..water depth etc.
She also testifies that Tim Miller divulged information about Casey pointing out a spot to find Caylee and Cindy getting Angry. She says Tim put him up in a room at the holiday inn. However if I recall in Tim’s depo he says he did not. She said the info Tim devulged he kept
secret that he had told them Laurie, Brett etc. in front of NeJame and such. You just have
to listen. I’m hurridly writing this LOL
But from the search aspect and compare to Jordon..is good.
I’m sorry I have to disagree D..I think your interpretation of her family and the sealing
of witnesses in the DP phase is inaccurate. I have not read what WFTV’s interpretation was LOL. But understandably..anyone that would be a witness at that stage or any stage does not want Kathy Belich in their face. She is a disgrace to journalism! I don’t know about
hunting people down..but if they get a name..they would certainly make the effort to get
as scoop.
Hazaka..JB..that Video was absolutely disgusting. I don’t even have further words to say
here about that. If I did..it would have to be deleted.
Watching the hearing today as well..Don’t know if anyone noticed at the end of video Casey
and Belich come face to face. I don’t know if there were any comments..but Casey’s face said it all.
IMO Casey Anthony is innocent until someone gives me something solid.Where is it?
WTH is all the evidence that rates murder 1 and the DP? Am I missing something? I keep
waiting..every set of docs is BS letters..here say..They found absolutely nothing out of all the boxes from the A’s..there is nothing placing Casey there..So many inconclusives in testing..
duct tape..heart stickers, finger prints..coffin flies..cause of death..Its all sounds like a fiction
novel..made for tv..
Belich is a loser. If I were Casey..when they have all those camera’s on me I would find a way
to get that middle finger on my face discretely..and let them make a story of that. I swear if it was me I would! But in all actuallity..she does not seem to bothered anymore by it..She seems
more and more attentive to what is going on..than to be bothered by their antics. However
they did object today..but I couldn’t hear what they said the photographer was doing? I listened twice?
Well Happy Holidays whatever yours are.. Hanukkah past..Merry Christmas!!
Oh Zuben, I did some research on Chatt in the beginning..His father is quite wealthy and
they owned the homes here and PR
I should have said that Casey was “going” to point out a spot alledgedly per Tim Miller..
stating to others..and I believe in his depo. Cindy got p**** and it all ended..Now IMO
that could have been misrepresented…. misunderstood.”or mistated. There could have been err to what they were really asking..and what she was really going to do. Maybe CA got angry because
KC was being led to believe something else than what they were asking? I don’t know. But I
honestly IMO think there was more to it. Seems to be some different stories surrounding it..and it all came from Miller. But Mark NeJame was getting pretty fond of Tim at that point LOL..Someone..I think the Holloway chick said the one who that looks like a girlLOL
I’m getting silly..need some sleep Night all!
There is so much I want to say but just don’t have much time. I’ve been swamped with work complicated by electronic complications. Some people are giving a piece of me this Holiday season.
The monster mash video was compliments of the state, released in discovery. How this is evidence, is beyond my expertise, for sure. Perhaps they consider it exculpatory, showing someone is out to get the defendant and she won’t be able to get a fair trial because she has been framed as a monster. JB, around doc page 12500, you’ll find his maps, notes etc. Helen Davis’ letter chastising Miller is in that pdf too. It was released around March 25. I believe this is the same time the emails were released too. More of his pages, including the emails begin on pg 12,715 released at the same time, March of 2010. At least that is the date I downloaded them. If you can’t find them, let me know and I’ll mail you the pdfs.
JB — thanks for the good wishes… sad that horrid things like what is happening re: this case bring me down….. try not to let it affect me … but … if I scoot to another blog, I am sickend by some of the vicious, evil, IGNORNANT emotional comments. Odd that some believe by denegrating the Anthony’s, friends, family, lawyers, etc., they are “honoring” Caylee. Twisted logic. And, fortunately when I was in broadcasting ….at a long point, I was the standards and practices …. and what has been going on at some of the stations, would NOT have been going on……..but… there are no rules and reg …. so incompetence rises….
There is a point in the JJ interview where John A is kind of drilling him about the distance from the school to the opening in the woods. JJ acts confused and says he has no idea of distance. John A wants to use the school as a reference point, but it makes more sense to use the fence as a reference point. So, one of the other officers ask, well if you don’t know how many feet from the school, then how far would you say from the fence. JJ answers ummmm i don’t know maybe 25 feet? Okay, well now we are about 25 feet from area a, he states there was a bag there. John A quickly and abruptly jumps in and says but how far from the school would you say that is. It was a slip up on the detective’s part because he just established that JJ was within 25 feet of Caylee. If the opening he was talking about was that exact opening, then he was within a few feet of Caylee, but wait!!!!! Perhaps Caylee was not there. MOO
Hello All,
Great comments, I have one question. Are we the only ones? LOL
Snoop, you’ve mentioned the pink blanket and cooler near the pump? The Gale St. John Blind Drive was helpful for me b/c IIRC, the fenced in pump was on the same side of Suburban Drive approx. 30 yds from the recovery site. IMO, this would be a better reference point than the school.
http://psychicgalestjohn.com/blinddrive/
Zuben, thanks for the enlightment. The Jib Jab video wasn’t created by WFTV. It was the SAO’s?? If so, that just makes it more offensive and if I were a juror I’d question the integrity of the SAO’s office. They should be embarrassed. Zub, I’ll check my pc for doc dumps near Mar 25th. I wish I had saved ‘em like you, by page number and not date-released. I’ll let you know, if I can’t find it.
During the hearing when Baez jumped up and said “I object!” b/c the cameras were on KC writing notes, I found this ironic considering the subject of the hearing. “Media Discovery” Kind of drove it home for me b/c this reminds me of the video that LE doctored from the jailhouse when Caylee was found. With today’s technology, couldn’t her notes be read with magnification?
What I think, as the trial date nears and the expected heavy media coverage, IMO it would behoove Judge Perry to control the cameras now to prevent a mistrial. Another thing I noticed, it wasn’t the SAO’s who objected to the release of penalty phase witnesses either.
Hi JBmission, just stopping in to wish you and all your readers a Merry Christmas!
Hope you all have a lovely day with family and friends.
Thank you cb!
Merry Christmas to you and yours!
I think the jib jab video was created by Joy W and the state is probably obligated to release it. I think it was her Halloween video. IIRC
okaaay..NTS,
guilty as charged! I jumped to a conclusion…my bad.
Thanks for the heads up. I’ll be sure to make any corrections needed.
What could Kc’s sex life really have to do with premeditated murder in the first degree. I am trying to think of a life of promiscuity during the 31 days and I don’t see it. Correct me if I am wrong, but was she not with Tony L for that time period? How do these guys go about proving that Kc had sex with them? How do we know they are not all lying because they are all jealous of each other? How will this play out in court? How can a bunch of guys just get up there and make accusations like that without proof? I am sorry, but young men are proud and often exaggerate and are ashamed to admit that they are not getting any. IMO
How does a shovel play a role in a case where no one was burried or beaten?
Could you please tell me about the video that LE doctored? It sounds like something important
IIRC: The police officer that was there when Kc was exposed to the television giving the news of Caylee’s discovery said that the camera was fixed and he should have been in the video but he was not. That would indicate that it was not the jailhouse video, it was someone elses video. IMO
That is interesting!
Well it has been sealed until trial. Who knows after that. If the state try’s to use that tape against Kc, then they will be exposed for any mis doings at the jail to include all the clicking while Kc and JB were having meetings. I am going to guess, it never comes into the trial. IMO
Hi all, I’ve been following along, just haven’t commented in a while.
Speaking of doctored tapes, reminded me of Kronks 911 doctored audio,
If you read the trascripts while listening, ( someone ? ? ? ) chopped them up and cut out anything he said that conflicted with what was ultimately found.
I have 2 questions
1. Any Ideas of who edited them
&
2. does anyone have a link to the original unedited audio
TIA and Happy Holidays
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6629068/Casey-Anthony-Bill-Richardson
Hi Token,
I was referring to the video made from pointing a hand held video camera to a security screen at the jail. Sgt. Bill Richardson explains this in this deposition. He explains how LE made the video of Casey’s response to the finding of Caylee’s body on Dec 11th. I was making a point that ANYTHING is possible when it comes to trying to convict Casey Anthony.
Hi Indygal,
For your 1st question, I haven’t a clue who did the editing of the tapes, just a strong suspicion.
For Kronk videos, this is probably a good place to start. There’s several parts to his interview.
I’m sorry, you misunderstood me, JB. The state didn’t create that tape, at least I hope not. It was listed in the discovery released by the state. I’m sure an admirer-blogger of Casey and Co. created this monster mash video. I haven’t read who, specifically though. I would assume it was created and uploaded to you tube around Halloween one of the last couple of years.
Kronk
Aug 11 audio http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1223/18347190.mp3
Aug 12 audio http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1223/18347234.mp3
Aug 13 audio http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1223/18347230.mp3
Transcripts of these calls http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3715618/CASEY_ANTHONY_KRONK-CALLS-UNEDITED_JANUARY_21_09
Dec 11 911 audio http://www.wftv.com/video/18266518/index.html
Dec 11 interview http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4737262/Casey-Anthony-Roy-Kronk-Interveiw-released-5-March
Jan 6 interview by Ruggerio and Hardiman http://www.wftv.com/blank/19341462/detail.html
Jan 6 interview by Melich http://www.wftv.com/blank/19341482/detail.html
I’m out of time but I’m sure you can find the transcript for the Dec 11 call. There are a lot of dead or non working links to audios so if there is any way you can capture and save them it may be a good idea. Things have a way of disappearing.
A little Christmas cheer, shared compliments of one of my clients. http://www.youtube.com/user/florinstreet?v=H10f2w7T5CU&feature=pyv&ad=7883880697&kw=christmas#p/u/1/H10f2w7T5CU
Thanx, JB
They all cut out him saying Metalic Gray Bag amongst other things….
This is very interesting, don’t know if y’all have read it ,
but it makes me feel alot better knowing that the defense isn’t missing a thing.
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/High-Profile-Cases/Anthony/Downloads/Motion%20in%20Limine%20to%20Introduce%20Prior%20Bad%20Acts%20and%20Other%20Circumstantial%20Evidence%20Pertaining%20to%20Roy%20M%20%20Kronk%2011-18-2009.pdf
I would like to point out also that Kronk sounds like he is going down to his gps in the call, but I never hear any cordinates. Later he says in an interview “I gave you longitude and latitude” Another thing is that I noticed on one of the police report sheets which appears to be a radio log, it indicates gps cordinates of the officers car, but I can’t find Cains vs the Dec 11th officers to compare. There are some interviews that move from page to page and you can tell there has been stuff removed. Like answers that don’t make any sense. I don’t have time to go look for them, but overall the interviews are very disturbing the way LE continues to interupt the witness, but I think its planned that way. Do I sound skeptical? lol MOO
I believe the motions by the defense will be denied. There are too many other cases to base this on. The testimony is to show state of mind as well as actions and lies during the time when Caylee was missing and not reported. The shovel will probably make it into evidence because of the hits in the back yard by dogs. In the Scott Peterson case, needle nose pliers where put into evidence…..no proof that his wife was killed with the pliers. They tried very hard to keep his girlfriend Amber from testifying, but she did. The defense is just doing their job….trying to keep out any evidence that could damage the reputation of their client…nothing new. They don’t want the jury to know that when one guy was out of town she was with another and spent the rest of her time texting and talking on the phone….none of which…was trying to locate Caylee or getting help from the authorities or parents to do so. The above can also be used to show motive….the longer Caylee was not reported missing the more freedom and fun KC had…..Bella Vita. I want to say JMO but the judicial system speaks for itself with case and trial history.
NTS, Through out this entire case LE has been notorious for cutting people off. If you ever have a chance to read about it….there are just a few investigative tactics when it comes to questioning. It seems that the LE in Orlando use one of these forms but I never believed it to be very effective. I think I read about this when looking at FBI Profiling. I think they could have gotten more answers from KC at Universal if they wouldn’t have cut her off and talked about themselves. The only thought I have to this is even if they would have gotten more info from her it would have been lies as well. KC’s own words put KC in jail.
D: you said:
They don’t want the jury to know that when one guy was out of town she was with another and spent the rest of her time texting and talking on the phone….none of which…was trying to locate Caylee or
As far as I know, Kc was only with Tony during those 31 days. I am aware that RM says that Kc had sex with him on June 9th, but 31 days back is more like June 14th or 13th. Just to set the record straight. I know, a technicality. lol Still though, if the state chooses to introduce all these little details into the case, won’t the jury start rolling their eyes at some point? And also, if the Judge allows all these details in, doesn’t that trump his effort to keep this trial moving on.? I am just thinking if I were a sequestered Juror and one side started bringing in detail that doesn’t link directly to premeditated murder, I might see weakness on that side. IMO
The shovel may connect to the dogs and the dogs may connect to the trunk, but there is no proof that I can see that connects to a body. Moo
NTS, I agree that there will be testimony that will bore the jury. I have to go back to the Peterson and Levy case to realize the jury could have been bored but listened and based their decision on testimony given. I think jury duty can be trying on the senses especially when the stakes are so high. I still think Perry is doing the best job possible to avoid the appeals process. His record is outstanding. Last note….I have a sister and Family that live 60 miles from Orlando. Her and many of their friends don’t even follow the case. It’s still possible to seat a jury because I know they won’t becoming from the Internet….lol
Does anyone know anything about the deadline for the defense to file or have heard the motion about Kronk’s prior bad acts? Baez understood deadline was Dec. 31, Perry said he mean it had to be heard by then, not refiled by then. He then goes on to say he is changing his vacation from this week to next week and it’s too late if he doesn’t speak up know and have it heard immediately. So which was it, deadline to be filed or deadline to be heard. Can a judge set a deadline then decide at the last minute he’s going on vacation then instead? Wouldn’t that be cause for appeal if they needed to have that motion heard and ruled on? I thought it was quite out of character for him to go from insisting on them working nights and weekends to saying he isn’t going to work this week, oh, I moved it to next week, tough luck. I guess the defense may not want it heard but if that were the case, wouldn’t he have said so? He doesn’t even need Kronk’s son to show that Kronk’s stories changed from August to December. That in itself is suspicious unless they establish that he was just a curious searcher, found what wasn’t really Casey in August then found her for real in December. I will be very surprised if they don’t stick with pointing out that LE failed to look at other possibile suspects. I’m still waiting to see what they did about the Sawgrass maintenance man.
Wow, I must be loopy from overworking and staring at the computer screen too many hours a day. Please excuse the poor writing.
Zuben,
I don’t understand it either. I guess we’ll find out soon enough.
BTW, I love the video. Very Victorian. This guy should think going in screen writing. It would be a great musical, maybe even stage.
Thanks for the link.
Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas!
I really enjoyed the video too. It’s a nice compliment to the Christmas Carol, given the background.
I can’t wait to read the original quoted in this article, http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-defense-sanctions-20101222,0,7135166.story It should be quite comical. Ashton uses the word laughable at least 3 times, if the quotes are accurate. I thought Baez was rather detailed. Considering the fact that the state has the burden of proof isn’t he asking for an awful lot here? It seems he is asking the defense to teach him where the holes in his expert testimony are so he can redo. Why else would he need such detail? Is the defense obligated to go this far? If so, why would there be any need to depose them at all and why would Perry have reminded Ashton that he can do the work to get the answers he seeks through depos? He is so quick to critisiz Baez’ professional integrity so I would have to ask, is this a professional way to write a motion? Maybe laughable is a legal term I haven’t read before.
I know that some of the defense motions have had some colorful wording too but this is going above and beyond. Laughable is a sarcastic, childish term. My concern is that the animosity going on is really going to interfere with justice. They both need to get past the personalities and just do their job properly.
Okay, here is what is going around the boards. Attorney’s think that JA was deposing very important witnesses over the last few days when he learned something new that he wasn’t aware of. This upset him and that is why he put in this motion for sanctions.
I did see JA get upset one time at one of the hearings. I wonder if he has a short temper and the defense is just toying with him. I am afraid that there are some very important things in all those documents that we all have missed and it will take a Dr Lee type of person to point them out to us. IMO
Too bad, Ashton didn’t get what he wanted for the Holidays! This is my logic to this bruhaha having no legal training at all. (bruhaha = brouhaha; definition – A noisy and overexcited critical response, display of interest, or trail of publicity)
If I’m trying to prove a person stole my bicycle and I pressed charges against this person, I bring it to the Grand Jury and the Grand Jury voted “True Bill”, arrested this person for theft.
This person pleads not guilty. Isn’t it MY burden of proof that this person stole my bike?
My claim met the burden of proof per the Grand Jury so now it’s time to “put up or shut up.”
We’re all waiting Mr. Ashton.
No one has pressed charges against Ashton to say he’s falsely accused Miss Anthony of murder.
NTS, something he wasn’t aware of??? Really?! Well, I’d say he’d better do his homework but he might say it is laughable. It is his job to be aware of everything or to get on the butts of LE and their experts to dig a little deeper and be more thorough. I guess it never occured to him that he is the one with the burden of proof, exactly, JB.
Let’s see, Dr. Jane Bock deposed under the light of the total Lunar eclipse, Dec 21st. “Dr. Bock, what is your specific opinion of the root growing in and through the bones?” “Well, Mr Ashton, that looks a lot like air potato root to me. You know in our neck of the woods, they call that family of plants, ‘A mile a minute’ because it grows just about that fast. I’d say that root could reach 4 mm, at the very least in 4 weeks. But, of course, without the actual root or anything to compare it too I couldn’t say for sure and neither could your botanist, in my expert opinion. Would you happen to have the actual root so I could inspect it properly?” Just kidding but it is likely something along those lines.
Dr Frairgrieve may have said it is fair to let Casey grieve in private and perhaps Dr. Hunington will tell them they should have been hunting for other possible suspects instead of keeping only Casey in their sights from July 16 to present. I had to have a little fun to get in the Christmas spirit. Did you all know if you look up ‘Nick” in a good dictionary you’ll see “Ol Nick: the devil”? Just a little true Christmas humor. Nicholas means victor of the people.
Have a nice night all.
One more thing before I sign off. “The defense had until today to ask Chief Judge Belvin Perry to bring those accusations against Kronk into the trial so a jury could hear them. It did not happen,” WFTV’s Kathi Belich reported.”
Now, I could have swore Perry said December 31. Is Belich now his Judicial assistant and reorganizing his court calendar and deadlines? She really is Super woman.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/12/casey-anthony-roy-kronk-no-longer-a-suspect-in-case.html
Going right to the source, her own wftv, http://www.wftv.com/news/26261091/detail.html
“Kronk’s earlier report was not fully investigated by a patrol deputy, who was later fired. In an attempt to cast doubt on Kronk’s damaging testimony, the defense said he should be a suspect and got people in Kronk’s past to make disturbing accusations against him.” I smell the makings of a defamation suit here. What proof does wftv have that the defense team “got people to make disturbing accusations”? No wonder they have to go outside of OC to find anyone not tainted by this type of reporting.
I do not understand for the life of me why only Wftv is reporting this Kronk issue….I have checked every station that I can find. This seems to be a huge story. I think the real deadline was Dec 31st which is next Friday. I can understand that the Judge said he won’t have time to hear it, but he is the one that set the deadline. I wouldn’t think anything of it, but no one else is reporting it. NTS <———confused.
Judge Perry gave up this week from his vacation and stated and made it clear in court that he would NOT be around next week to accept any motions. Baez had a deadline; if he wanted to accept Kronk’s motion, he could have said very easily in Court.. Yes he was going to pursue it, but he did. IT goes to show he has nothing on Kronk.. another waste of filing useless and senseless motions…
When all is said and done.. I hope the Florida Bar goes after [Baez]for his unethical, unprofessional and disrespect that he has for the Judge / his peers/ and the Courts. I truly hope that Ray Kronk files a defamation of character suit against [not allowed] and CO because if one person deserves to be sued its [Baez]…… bring on the lawsuits, you’ve only just begun [Baez]…
AND to all of you that seriously have issues with Jeff Ashton, let me tell you this, I wouldnt want to be in [Baez's] shoes going up against him.. JA will eat that jerk alive. [censored] needs to go back selling his bikinis.. and to all you ~ that dont believe Casey did this~ I hope and pray that this doesnt happen to any one of your family members.. SO, IF Casey didnt murder her daughter, then I guess it was the man in the moon.. SHE is and will be found GUILTY.. no doubt about it… there is plenty and more still that hasnt come out.. [Baez] has NO case.. I’d be embarassed to call him my brother, I think my pets are alot smarter than that poor arrogant excuse for an Attorney..
” Too bad, Ashton didn’t get what he wanted for the Holidays! This is my logic to this bruhaha having no legal training at all ”
EXCUSE ME…….. you are saying that ASHTON lacks in legal training.. omg that is laughable and sick………. I think you have that TWISTED…. he’s been with the SA’s Office longer than you can count…….. YOU mean BOZO BAEZ I HOPE has NO training.. I suggest you go back and look at Bozo’s credentials.. and his law school he graduated from, let me see like the bottom of the barrel and the length of time it took like 8 yrs for him to pass the bar, yea really a smart Attorney Bozo is……… IF Bozo was the last standing Attorney on this earth.. I’d hang myself before I would ever have him represent ME.. infact, I suggest you go back and look at the characters he’s represented… cough cough. not even worth talking about…. I suggest YOU get your FACTS straight before YOU make comments regarding Jeff Ashton……. he’s well prepared and on target with this case.. NOT like that Bozo who makes excuses after excuses.. and cant even file a motion.. which by the way is LAW 101..
Legally Blonde: You seem angry. You have come to the right place for kind and gentle response. Jeff Ashton to me appears to be struggling. That is just my opinion and I base it on the documents that I have read and the video’s that I have watched. Nothing personal against Mr Ashton, He has probaby put a lot of very bad people away. Something seems amiss though and I can’t pinpoint it. He seems angry in his motion for sanctions. IMO Perhaps he thinks the defense experts are going to point something out to him that he missed. It makes no sense to me that the Kronk issue is over. The defense continues to ask the Judge for money to investigate tes volunteers. The Judge continues to grant more money. But, somehow to me the two are connected. If there was no body, then how can Kronk be credible? How can the defense on one hand say RK turns out to be good and credible, but he must have been mistaken on Aug 11th about a body being there?
ON the other hand, perhaps the whole tes volunteer investigation is falling apart as we speak. I can’t wait until tomorrow to see if the other News organizations jump on the Kronk bandwagon. I think this vacation thing for the Judge is a technicality, I think he will still listen to any motion by the defense, he just needs his vacation. lol
This from a post over at hinkymeter:
On the Local 6 news tonight there was a segment on KC and the Kronk motion. Baez told the reporter the Kronk issue is still very much alive and he doesn’t know why people say it isn’t. They are still pursueing that avenue. PErsonally, I believe it’s just more BS hype from the moron.
I do not know how to access local news at 10. This does not come up on the website.
Legally Blond said:
EXCUSE ME…….. you are saying that ASHTON lacks in legal training.. omg that is laughable and sick………. I think you have that TWISTED…. he’s been with the SA’s Office longer than you can count…….. YOU mean BOZO BAEZ I HOPE has NO training.. I suggest you go back and look at Bozo’s credentials.. and his law school he graduated from, let me see like the bottom of the barrel and the length of time it took like 8 yrs for him to pass the bar, yea really a smart Attorney Bozo is……… IF Bozo was the last standing Attorney on this earth.. I’d hang myself before I would ever have him represent ME.. infact, I suggest you go back and look at the characters he’s represented… cough cough. not even worth talking about…. I suggest YOU get your FACTS straight before YOU make comments regarding Jeff Ashton……. he’s well prepared and on target with this case.. NOT like that Bozo who makes excuses after excuses.. and cant even file a motion.. which by the way is LAW 101..
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Legally Blond,
EXCUSE YOU??? NO…LOL
First of all, I wasn’t talking about Ashton. I was talking about myself not having any legal training. Obviously you have comprehension problems as well as anger issues. Do you even know what “bruhaha” means? Try searching words that you’re not familiar with before you go on a tangent. You must feel pretty foolish about now.
I don’t care if he’s been in the SAO’s office for 100 years. He’s charged Miss Casey Anthony with Murder One w/DP. I repeat..He “needs to put up or shut up” Law 101 remember?
Innocent until proven guilty.
The rest of your comment is your opinion and no one here is questioning Ashton credentials, so you’ll get no argument from me. I’ll respect that but if you choose to comment on this blog, I think you’ve made a bad right turn. Here we respect one another.
As a favor I’d refer you to the Topix blog. I think you’ll be much happier there. Try it, because you won’t get very far here on my site.
And another thing I won’t EXCUSE YOU for is I DO NOT allow any name calling what so ever on my blog. I may just let it stand for a few days to let you know I’m tolerant. Or I’ll go in and change bozo to BAEZ. I haven’t decided yet.
Merry Christmas Legally Blond!
Thanks everyone for your contributions which I enjoy reading so much about the Casey
Anthony case. Wishing you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
ZubenElSchemali
December 23, 2010 at 6:30 pm said
“Kronk’s earlier report was not fully investigated by a patrol deputy, who was later fired. In an attempt to cast doubt on Kronk’s damaging testimony, the defense said he should be a suspect and got people in Kronk’s past to make disturbing accusations against him.” I smell the makings of a defamation suit here. What proof does wftv have that the defense team “got people to make disturbing accusations”? No wonder they have to go outside of OC to find anyone not tainted by this type of reporting.
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Wow Zub, I can’t believe WFTV actually published that garbage. “In an attempt to cast doubt on Kronk’s damaging testimony”!! HaHa! His testimony isn’t damaging for the Defendant. It’s DAMAGING for the State. Ha! And I agree “No one “got people to make disturbing accusations”. Maybe it’s time to release some of those emails I’ve gotten that I didn’t ask for. These people have no reason to lie. GMAB.. I don’t think these people appreciate being called liars either.
Thank you Comment!! Merry Christmas to you and your family too!
JB
Hi NTS,
Just curious..Are you familiar with Legally Blond? It’s like he/she came out of no where with nothing but caps and allegations. Geesh…thank you for handling this person so nicely.
IMO, if Kronk isn’t pursued than it’s still not a wash for the Defense. He stands alone.
If 32 or more searchers say they didn’t find a body and a few trained cadaver dogs missed a body too, I think it’s safe to say that someone was mistaken. That ONE person’s testimony can’t nullify the rest of the TES searchers or the cadaver dogs and their handlers.
This still poses an element of doubt IMO.
But for the sake of justice, I don’t see why investigating others should be a problem. If it leads no where then so be it.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/12/casey-anthony-roy-kronk-no-longer-a-suspect-in-case.html
Zuben, I can’t believe Bill Sheaffer said this either.
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What does it all mean? WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer observed: “The defense was floating balloons to see how this shift of focus from Casey to Kronk might play out. It didn’t play out well at all. It backfired.”
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What does he mean shift focus off of Casey? Is he thinking Casey is being tried in the MEDIA like the one he PLAYS up to?? And then he adds “it didn’t play out well at all. ” What is he talking about? I guess he’s letting his BLOG LIFE go to his head. Jose Baez isn’t trying Casey in the media. He’s preparing for a trial in front of Casey’s peers in a court of law.
Baez considered Kronk and (maybe still is) because of his past use of duct tape on a girl friend while trying to kidnap her, being abusive to women, for looking at young girls while they’re undressing and he finds a body in August that no one else can find. Oh gee, he’s sounds a little suspicious to me. So for Bill Sheaffer to say “it didn’t play out well at all. It backfired” IMO, he must be talking about himself because if this was his attempt to come off as a respectable attorney, I’d say it BACKFIRED. We all know now that Bill Sheaffer only cares about public opinion and doesn’t respect the judicial system and what it stands for. Shame on him.
[QUOTE who="WFTV"] Kronk’s earlier report was not fully investigated by a patrol deputy, who was later fired. In an attempt to cast doubt on Kronk’s damaging testimony [/QUOTE]
Now that is laughable!!!
More like, the patrol deputy was fired in an attempt to make Kronks inconsistant testimonies credible.
Whoever said this was damaging to the prosecution, couldn’t have said it better.
[QUOTE who="Indy Gal"]Trying again[/QUOTE]
Im trying to see if I can quote text, if I fail again, can someone breif me on how to,
Sorry JB, I hate making a mess of your site, thats why I rarely post.
Merry Christmas IndyGal!
I’ll try to figure it out and let you know. I’m still c&ping and using dotted lines. Sadly I don’t have computer skills, only a point of view. brb
Happy Holidays!
Thanks for showing me a new trick.
Wow Legally Blonde seems extremely angry! Interesting “he?/she?” really seems to
know a lot about Ashton..Do you know Ashton personally? Do you reside in Fl?I mean you even said laughable..which was Ashton’s favorite word in his new cry baby motion. 3 times he said laughable as a matter of fact! I would be interested in why you came SHOUTING here out of no where? You seem quite defensive in Ashton’s behalf. Just curious..
“Ashton made mention of bloggers” 2 hearings ago when he got” Baez” back to court about the experts info. Guess maybe he visits sites from time to time. Especially those
that are not convinced of Casey’s guilt. He already knows what the rest think. He has
their support. But I’m sure he may drop in at a site who thinks quite the contrary, to
see what they have to say. Especially one called JB Mission LOL
Hey JB ..maybe he even drops in here, you think? Seems this is the only non Casey hater
blogs, and people deal with facts and theories. You just never know.
I bet maybe even his female partner might drop by.
Well, whoever you are Legally blonde..I’ve seen you lurking at the other blogs..So what
brought you to JB’s? And so laughably angry?
I went by the recovery sight this early evening on the way back from the airport. I don’t
see Kronk picking that place to take a leak. Not at all! Even on the path. It is growing
back up, but you can clearly see by its surroundings what is was like prior to them clearing it. It is VERY thick brier. I would think it would have to have been when everyone is sleeping
as there are houses in the vicinity. I do not know how much Caylee weighed..but I think it would have been a difficult task for Casey for sure. There is no punt intended here..but
Caylee would have been dead weight. She surely did not TOSS a bag! I also find it hard to
have not gotten any scratches or ruined clothing through it all either. They have everything
she had with her ..plus about 20 pairs of shoes from her home..which revealed nothing!
Where is the evidence..Am I blind? WTH was she wearing on her feet? Nothing?
Well, any way..I sat there for a bit..Just hard to believe she was there. There were many other
areas in the vicinity as well. So it seems nearly impossible to think RK went right to the
spot to urinate, an lo and behold he found Caylee.
Oh. could go on but have been so busy working, so tired, need sleep LOL
Merry Christmas to all!
What is it with BOZO and all these other childish names? Do people actually think that kind of behavior gives them credibility? Laughable to say the least, which is an appropriate word since the real Bozo is a clown.
Yes, I think Mr Ashton has an anger management problem. He usually will mask it with a smile as he shakes his head back and forth, all the while as the defense is addressing the court. I think that is against the rules of the court, by the way. He isn’t Mr. perfect either. As for Baez taking some time to pass the bar, the public defender’s office doesn’t require their people to pass on the first try or within a certain amount of time. I posted somewhere here, a link and quote concerning them objecting to changing the rule because they didn’t want to loose good attorneys simply because they failed one section of the exam on the first try. As a side note, I know people who just can’t test well but do fine in the actual performance of their skills. Those same people wouldn’t do well with the form of written motions either. They can compensate by having someone else do that for them. I think Ashton would do well to have Burdick be the court persona. She isn’t as laughable.
I had spent some time before looking for code we can use but google has much more to say to help the blog owner rather than the commenters. But here is what I found.
Bold without the spaces= Bold
Italic without the spaces= Italic
Quote
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Striked through or deleted text
=Deleted textUnordered list = Bozo not allowed I don’t know if the code needs to be used for each item in the list though. A numbered list uses ol instead of ul.
I don’t know if we can highlight or change color though. Well, lets see if some of these work.
I’m not sure why it didn’t show, maybe I forgot to insert a space. But I didn’t have to use caps with blockquote. I hit enter after typing Christmas and don’t see a bullet so I guess that one didn’t work.
JB et al……………. the following snippet is absolutely NOT JOURNALISM …. which is the reportage of FACTS …. NOT SURMISING NOR ANALYSIS … UNLESS it is prefaced by; THIS IS AN EDITORIAL …
The meter reader didn’t do it, Casey Anthony’s defense team now agrees.
“Or so surmised WFTV-Channel 9 in speculating tonight that Anthony’s attorneys have dropped plans to suggest that Roy Kronk is a suspect in Caylee Anthony’s murder.”
And there’s more …. but true news reporting does NOT speculate nor surmised. Just the facts m’am … just the facts!
RANK AMATEUR!
Hi Hazaka. Perhaps Belich shouldn’t have alienated Baez so she could go straight to the source and not be left guessing and editiorizing. Apparently Baez told news 6 (That’s 9 turnded on it’s head) that Baez is anything but done with the issue of Kronk. See http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/12/casey-anthony-jose-baez-blasts-roy-kronk-report-as-100-percent-false.html Now, I entered that quote into the search box at Click Orlando, 6 but didn’t come up with an article. Perhaps this was a live news report and not a web posted article?
HI Zuben — isn’t this sooooooooo very different:
“…Channel 6 reports. “Anthony’s attorney Jose Baez tells Local 6 that reports he is backing off the meter reader are ‘100 percent false,’ ” anchor Jessica Sanchez said this morning.
“…WFTV-Channel 9 speculated that the defense was dropping the Kronk-as-suspect strategy because of that deadline. “
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Channel 6 REPORTS …… Channel 9 SPECULATES! Now… whom do you trust? (Oh, that used to be a tv show w/Johnny Carson… except it wasn’t grammatically correct… show was WHO DO YOU TRUST =—
And, I LOVE ur description …. 9 is 6 turned on it’s head! again,
Hi JB. Stopped in to catch up on my reading and was surprised to see you have a Legally Blonde here. I have used that name at another blog recently. We are not one and the same, I am not angry. LMAO
Okay, just speculating. It seems to me that JB is not going move forward with the motion to introduce prior bad acts. He had mentioned something a few weeks ago about removing it until a later time. Perhaps they learned something while interviewing Tes Volunteers that totally trumps the motion. Perhaps they don’t even need prior bad acts. One of the Tes volunteers said that a man and a woman approached her and said Caylee is in the woods there just past the fence. She said later while watching the news, she saw RK and thought that he was that man. Perhaps that man and woman talked to more than one of the volunteers. JJ said he had asked volunteers to leave that were talking to media. Talking to media was not allowed and taking pictures was not allowed. why not? I think we are at the point now where SAO has to start releasing these interviews with all of these volunteers that they interviewed and Mallory and Mark Charlesworth and so on and so on….. IMO
Sounds like Kronk got an early Christmas present. It’s not to say that it still couldn’t happen in another form by testimony brought in from another, opening the door…..
The blogging world is what it is. We all have opinions and are not afraid to share online. The idea that a blog will have anything to do with this case is pretty slim. That would be saying that the state or the defense did not do their jobs with all the investigations and interviews. I know there have been high fives and dismay with the motions filed this week but only Judge Perry and case law will decide what will be admitted or not…lot of speculation on every one’s part.
Having the best Christmas pie does not equal the smile in children’s eyes.
I want to wish Everyone a Very Merry Christmas!!
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all. Well in 5 months we will see the trial take place until then we will get to see more court action and all the blog sites can go on and on about this case. For sure Caylee will have the best Christmas ever this time. I pray for all these children that have had their life ended so short and by terrible means, but they have peace now. Justice may not be gotten here for these little ones but a day will come when true justice will be handed down and believe me this justice will not get it wrong. God Bless all and have blessed holidays.
D —- according the Channel 9 ———- Kronk has NOT received an early Christmas present. Please note the following snippet: “Discuss This: Comments(87) | Add to del.icio.us | Digg it
Jose Baez speaks at an evening hearing in the Casey Anthony case earlier this month. Photo credit: Red Huber/Orlando Sentinel
So what about reports that Casey Anthony’s attorneys have dropped plans to suggest that Roy Kronk is a suspect in Caylee Anthony’s murder?
Not so, WKMG-Channel 6 reports. “Anthony’s attorney Jose Baez tells Local 6 that reports he is backing off the meter reader are ‘100 percent false,’ ” anchor Jessica Sanchez said this morning.”
Yes, it is the 100 percent thing that I need to go over. JB needs to be careful with his words. Is he going to withdraw his motion or is he going to ask for an extension. CM knows the law very very well. Judge Perry has said in the past that you can always ask. I can’t help but think that Judge Perry was just kindly going over his calendar and not giving an ultimatum or absolute deadline. Many Majority Opinionators act as though the Judge is part of the SAO, so they see the Judge as being angry at JB and wanting to school him. I think the Judge wants to make sure Kc gets a fair trial. If JB withdraws the motion and wants to reenter it later, I think the Judge will take it into consideration. KB from WFTV continues to jump the gun as they did with the Gatorade bottle being loaded with Chloroform when in reality the levels were lower than in drinking water. IMO
So you found your way over here, ‘notthat’. Go figure. How long until you’re banned from ths site, too???
‘notthat’ has a MAJOR obsession with Casey Anthony AND believes it is OK to murder babies. ‘notthat’ thinks the Murderer ‘looks’ at him when she’s in the courtroom. You know how you hear about the wackos in love with Scott Peterson, Charles Manson, etc??? ‘notthat’ is one of the Murderer’s obsessed freaks. ‘notthat’ has NO CLUE about specific details of this case-only believes it’s OK to commit murder and actually finds murdering one’s own baby ACCEPTABLE and OK. Don’t even waste your time asking ‘not’ questions because ‘not’ cannot answer ANY Of them. ‘not’ even went as far as agreeing with anyone wacko, ‘OE’ that Caylee wandered out of the house herself, trotted down to the woods, wrapped duct tape around her head ‘accidentally’. crawled into the bags and died, but then got up, wandered home, climbed in the trunk, rode around DEAD for a few days, then trotted back down the woods (STILL DEAD) only to be found months later. Meanwhile, the Murderer ‘frantically’ searched high and low for caylee…you know..in nightclubs, parties, BF’s bed, etc…makes perfect sense, doesn’t it???
Keep in mind, ‘notthat’ has been banned from MANY different sites AND has had the police knocking on his door more than once due to threats made to others….
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Stef,
Not to disrupt your day, but I’d like to know why you chose to disrupt my site. Have you noticed that NTS is welcome here? Have you noticed no one is rude to each other at my blog site? I really don’t know why you came here to defame NTS on Christmas Eve of all things. So I would like to know, are you obsessed with him?
Just curious,
JB Mission
Merry Christmas to you too Stef
Stef, I beg your pardon??? People get banned for speaking lies and stalking, which seems you must be doing. I have read NotThatSmart’s comments on several sights and he/she is always respectful. I’ve never read one comment with name calling or bashing anyone either, which is not true for you. I was banned from one site too, because I quoted facts from the docs someone didn’t want to hear or read. But whatever. When NTS states opinion it is stated as such. I have read quite a few facts quoted too so I think you must not read very carefully, or perhaps you have not read all the docs??? Have a great holiday. I’m sure those types of festivities would be more of a blessing to you than what you will receive for the words you just spewed. Now, if you have a specific fact you want to dispute, I’m sure you will be engaged in fascinating conversation here. We have quite a few thinking commenters, not just bashers.
Thank you Zub
I guess I do carry a little baggage with me and I am sure it is possible that others may come over here from time to time to make a cheap shot. I have never mentioned this site because I really do not want that to happen. For the record, I was banned from Web Sleuths for discussing Joe Jordan. I agree it is an tos violation to discuss members and or tes volunteers. It is a technicality though because they have entire threads dedicated to these people. lol I was a controversial minority opinionator and they were happy to see me go. However, the WS board now has no minority other than one and she is passive.
I am in good standing with all other sites
again, Thank You
Merry Christmas.
NTS, being banned from a few sites sometimes is a good thing. Stef said you knew very few facts but I totally disagree. You have brought some very insightful facts here and good discussions.
Maybe Stef is obsessed with you? Just a thought..
I’ve just put the last ornament on the tree,
The stuffed bell peppers are in the oven,
And the cat is sitting in the window basking in the sun,
And me? I’m finally done.
Enjoy the Holiday Season and
Merry Christmas to Everyone!
JB
Well, Hornsby and a certain detective clearly involved in this case are also members there and it is just ridiculous to protect them from being a topic of conversation. Jordan and Miller are both key witness in this case, Melich is also a key witness. How can they claim wanting justice when you can’t discus the key players and the facts relating to them? There are a couple of other people that may be called to testify that posted there too. One is Padilla’s nephew, another is a friend of Casey’s. They might as well shut the forum down if they aren’t allowed to discuss the facts in the case.
Zuben — you’re the best ………… I was going to reply to Steph =—–but got distracted … don’t know (as it’s said) where she is coming from …. but NTS has been offering good thoughts…………. hey Steph …. what is your issue??
Yes, WS making it a tos violation to discuss tes members is mind boggling
Drew is another one that searched and interviewed with one of the news sites. There are many tes members on WS. There are other witnesses as well, like Daunte and others from the lake vaj place. I am sure it all boils down to money. The majority opinionators support the ads. bottom line. IMO
Not to down play anyone….JB is the best for letting all comments come in because this site is fair! Bravo to every and anyone that has an opinion. No matter if we don’t agree…comments are welcomed because it’s an expansion of the mind more than the mouth.
NTS, I have watched the thrashing you get on OS. It’s not that I always agree but have the great fortune of others having respect for me as much as I have for them here.
Thanks again JB for not being one sided. There is way too many opinions out there to take sides….we all seek the truth and fair trial.
I totally agree D. I have a very hard time reading comments anywhere but here because I just can’t stomach name calling and hate speak. But I do read enough to get a clear picture of the intolerance of certain facts and opinions though. Well, time for a little Christmas cheer.
Don’t forget to put a treat out for Ol Nick tonight everyone. He knows who’s been naughty or nice but it can’t hurt to try a little bribery, if necessary. The way to a man’s heart is through his stomach. Well, that’s one way.
Merry Christmas.
To all — – enjoy the holiday ——-and so much apprecite JB and this site …………. it’s REAL!
JB
Just stopped by to say Happy Holidays to you and your commenters.
Get a grip Stef—No one thinks it OK to murder a child. How dare you!
Happy Holidays to you too Arkie! Thank you very much
JB
Thank you very much Hazaka! I appreciate you too because you are a REAL gem of a person
Happy Holidays to you Hazaka!
Honestly, I look forward to the discussions we have here because you guys are so smart.
Thank you ZubenElSchemali for providing your knowledge, facts and opinion that make us think.
Thank you Damagdpets, the one of few “pro-prosecution” commenters who proves that it’s possible to join in a discussion and share his point of view without personal attacks.
Merry Christmas Yall!
Merry Christmas JB and everyone!
Merry Christmas to you Valhail!
Feliz Navidad Y’all!
Enjoy the peace of the day ……….. and for those of us in the NE …. yikes …. could be a blizzard coming!
—-and JB — special huggies!
Merry Christmas JB- and all! xoxo DiDi (from bab)
hey DiDi-from Us to You, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Merry Christmas all! I posted last eve guess it didn’t send..Hope you all had a Great day!
Merry Christmas to you Snoop!!
I just thought I’d take a left turn to Bill’s place to chat awhile but …as you imagine the place is crawling with roaches and I’m not talking about the regulars. Maybe if Craig puts out a few roach motels, they’ll scamper in them and leave the sane people alone. Geesh…
LOL JB.. Probably need more than a few
thejbmission
December 26, 2010 at 12:56 am
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You’res so cool…. actually…. before I shut the computer down, I “cleaned it”, defraged it ..and then I took a shower …. what itchy creepy crawlers were out!
Hope you all had a great Christmas. I’m trying to recover from cherry, blueberry and chocolate cheesecake, apple, pumpkin and blueberry pie. No, I couldn’t choose just one with such a great selection. Then there was ham and quiche made for the daughter in law that doesn’t like ham. No belt for me. Oh, and a change in the all time favorite green been casserole…cheddar onion rings. Nice touch. This is the time to pull out the pjs or sweat pants.
If I read the news article right, the pope has declared pedophilia not such a bad thing during his Christmas eve speech. I guess this is situation ethics (or morality) at its finest. How old are those alter boys, 8, 9, 10 years old? Maybe that’s why the shorts obviously not being on her little body wasn’t addressed in the reports by LE. Yes, I’m being sarcastic.
Oh, now this is journalism? “In essence… it’s a very lonely life for Casey… the one time party girl…. the sexually active girl who banged like a screen door in a hurricane and the mother of Caylee… who could not, or ever, speak for herself.” http://www.halifaxareanewswatch.com/a-casey-christmas/ I guess there wasn’t much to report on.
JB, I popped over there to see what’s up. Is someone posing as hatcat and arkie, picture and all? Interesting how so many people have a hard time just being themselves. Or maybe they are, being themselves that is. If I could only have one wish for the coming new year, it would be that justice be served, hate filled bloggers find some love to heal their wounds so they don’t mutate and spread like a virus and reporters stick to the facts, leaving editorials to the editorial section. Well, I guess that is 3 wishes. But, I think if the last two are granted the 1st would be more likely to not require a miracle. I think what we see there is a reflection of what goes on behind the scenes. As within, so without.
Zub agree about some of the blogger filled with such hate and others would not convict even if there was a video of Casey actually killing Caylee. I hope and pray that when the jury is picked they are honest people that have not have had much exposure to the case and will be able to bring about justice for Caylee. It seems now that everyone talks so much about everyone in the case SOA,JB,JP motions etc. but do not focus on the one person this case is all about. I hope at trial all truth will be told by everyone and justice will be done, not the justice that one side or the other wants but facts that a jury can hear and determine to the best of their ability to reach a verdict in this case. I do think this will happen, some people will be upset no matter what happens because their will be one winner and one loser. All I want is for Caylee not to be forgotten after all it is about her.
Zub, I was baptized Catholic and went thru my 1st 8 years at Catholic School. The order of Dominican Nuns were the teachers and the priests taught Gym, coached sports and said Mass. If I remember right you had to be in the 6th grade to become an alter boy. All my siblings as well as children went to parochial school. I guess we were lucky because I never heard of anything going on, nor did it happen to me or family. In subsequent years were heard rumors from other parishes about pedophilia and now it seems that it happened a lot! When I was coming up I had difficulties with the Vatican because I always wanted answers for the amount of Germans they spirited out of the country to South America. During the German occupation of Italy it was a common occurrence for the them to come into a little town, gather up children around 12-14 years of age, take one out of a line and an officer would shoot them in front of all. They did this to discourage anyone from hiding anything and or helping the Allies. My Mother was a young girl growing up and watching this in her little town. She went to sleep at night watching the flashes of light from bombs being dropped all around them. All these years I never figured out how she sleeps without having nightmares. The Vatican, Pope and governing body, owe alot to society for what they did during and after the war as well as the treasures they received during… while the Italian people were starving and getting sick from no medicines. My grandmother lost a few children during these times. Sorry about taking up space but this is a story that people should know about 1st hand…not out of a book.
Unless the Pope and Vatican take care of the priests that were/are doing these inhuman things…they should be shut down!! I think the last time I was asked if I believe in God I said, “Barely because I believe more in punishment”. I guess a more politically correct term would be a “Pseudo Atheist”…that’s one who believes just enough, just in case…….
A third year with Casey behind bars for Christmas. To think if she just would have told the truth in the beginning she might not be where she is now. I hold her in contempt for the lies she has told. I would hope that the bible she has or the visits from the ministers did not omit the ten commandments. There are several she has problems with. It was mentioned that she has found God. How wonderful…only if she would mend her transgressions with the truth about what happened to Caylee. Unfortunately we will more than likely never find out only because Casey will never take the stand. Caylee had a divine right to live but a human played God and denied that right.
D, what a horrible thing to have to witness. I read some history of the current pope and it sounded like he was in the position to make the decision whether some of these accused priests would be exposed and fired or protected and hidden. He chose the latter. So I guess it isn’t surprising that he would make this kind of statement. I’m just surprised that he would make it so publicly, given the public outcry. Thanks for the info on the age of alter boys. It looks like it must vary, according to wiki. “The minimum age varies by local circumstance, but boys must be mature enough to carry out their duties without disrupting the sanctity of the altar. Although it is common in North America for boys to act as altar servers, in some places this practice is virtually unknown and these duties are always carried out by adult men. In other places where altar servers are normally boys, adult men will not vest if called upon to serve. In yet other places, boys are not permitted to serve in the Altar on reaching their teens on the grounds that the young man is no longer innocent enough to serve in the altar.”
Regarding Caylee, I’ve thought along the same lines. I’ve been concerned that the politics and egos could easily get in the way of justice and create such a cloud that little Caylee could just disappear from this case, even though she will surely be given lip service. When a case becomes a game or a competition to win, how can justice ever be the result?
While I agree things might be much different now if Casey wouldn’t have told any lies, are you absolutely sure everything she said was a lie? I just can’t help but wonder, if LE wouldn’t have lied, saying all of Casey’s supposed work email addresses were fake and non existent, if they had actually tracked down the owners of those emails, perhaps they would have found some of what she said did contain truth that was relevant for the solving of this case. They have not been honest either. They had to know some of those email addresses are connected to real people and they have the resources to find Thomas Franck. That was Melich that wrote that report, if I recall correctly. I can think of a couple of reasonable motives for Casey lying. I can even think of one that might be justified. What reasonable motive would Melich have? Was he thinking of Caylee’s best interest when he refused to follow up on those addresses or to interview her co-worker that knew she had a blackjack and worked with these people? It is the defense attorney’s job to do what ever it takes to protect his clients constitutuional rights. It is LE’s job to expose the person responsible through clear facts and evidence, not simply get an arrest and conviction by selectively picking and choosing what they will collect and present. It is the missing pieces and inconsistencies in the state’s discovery docs that have opened the door to my questioning and doubting Casey’s guilt, not her actions or words. Yes, she has said and done some questionable things but we haven’t heard her side of the story yet. We have seen and heard more of the state’s side and so far, it seems not to be single minded and motivated, focused only on Caylee. Why do you suppose they spent so much time on her sex life and trying to find drug use? They had to find a motive even if they can’t show a cause of death. If she was a strung out druggie they could convince the jury she had a motive. They failed there. What convincing motive do they have? I am not even close to convinced she didn’t want to be a mother. Even without the photos and videos, that statement about potty training convinced me otherwise. Only a proud mother would make that comment.
Well, I see JB has a new post. Off to read. Have a great day.
D having brought up the missing people KC has talked about, got me going in that direction again Wed eve. I went in to the Raquel Rosa , Jennifer Ferell,(names reversed) facebooks, my space. Of course Jennifer Ferell’s has been on private. But Raquel Rosa has not. I went in Wed night to her facebook and looked at tons of photos videos etc..then to her myspace photos videos..and twitter. Tonight I go back and can only see her homepage on facebook. No photos. And the myspace is now completely private. Very strange, only 1 day later??
There were a lot of photos with a Jen..Jenifer..and videos taken by Jen. So I wonder
if they are close friends. What if they switched up the names intentionally? Because if
not for that girl from MI writing LE about their pages..no one knew. It is strange.
Anyway, I also had some pics that I had down loaded way back. I think they were from
her old photo bucket account..but not sure. I just remembered this one that has on a Fridays
uniform. But I don’t know who she is. That is why I went to Rosa’s facebook to see if same.
But I down loaded the pic of girl with Friday’s uniform and also Raquel Rosa..then 2 more pics..if any of you know who they are please let me know. TIA
I used Flickr for the picture link..hope it works:)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57674527@N05/
http://www.facebook.com/rrosa0320?sk=info
D having brought up the missing people KC has talked about, got me going in that direction again Wed eve. I went in to the Raquel Rosa , Jennifer Ferell,(names reversed) facebooks, my space. Of course Jennifer Ferell’s has been on private. But Raquel Rosa has not. I went in Wed night to her facebook and looked at tons of photos videos etc..then to her myspace photos videos..and twitter. Tonight I go back and can only see her homepage on facebook. No photos. And the myspace is now completely private. Very strange, only 1 day later??
There were a lot of photos with a Jen..Jenifer..and videos taken by Jen. So I wonder
if they are close friends. What if they switched up the names intentionally? Because if
not for that girl from MI writing LE about their pages..no one knew. It is strange.
Anyway, I also had some pics that I had down loaded way back. I think they were from
her old photo bucket account..but not sure. I just remembered this one that has on a Fridays
uniform. But I don’t know who she is. That is why I went to Rosa’s facebook to see if same.
But I down loaded the pic of girl with Friday’s uniform and also Raquel Rosa..then 2 more pics..if any of you know who they are please let me know. TIA
I used Flickr for the picture link..hope it works:)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57674527@N05/
http://www.facebook.com/rrosa0320?sk=info
“G said that KC would do anything to appease her boyfriends, even stating that she participated in church things with his family. Well he convinces her to keep the baby only to
later voluntarily hand the child over to the cult. (possibly by her 3rd b-day) Well kc agrees but later falls in love with Caylee and out of love with JG and renigs on her oath to the occult.”
Hands down, this HAS to be the most asinine theory you freaks have come up with to date! LOL…yes, this makes PERFECT sense and COMPLETELY explains why Casey sits in stony silence, behind bars, never ONCE cooperating with the police and FBI.
Wake up, expletive. She MURDERED her baby.
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tsk tsk, Pack fan,
name calling is a no no. If you want your comment to stick, you’ll have clean up your language.
You are an adult, aren’t you? It’s called self-control.
TIA,
theJBmission
I can’t resist saying “packfan, it takes one to know one”. I find discussion here just that, discussion, with most backing up their comments with links to LE findings, etc.
Haven’t yet read where anyone has made a firm statement that anyone murdered Caylee
but you interest me in such a hard core comment. How do you know for sure “She MURDERED her baby” ? Please tell me, because maybe the state can call you as witness
to it.