With tens of thousands bits and pieces of information and documents, today we get to add 910 more documents to read and attempt to make sense of it all. Putting this all together has become quite a task for me. Like many of you, I’m losing space on my computer hard drive as I type as well as the hard drive in my head.
Thanks to WFTV, they’ve categorized them for us. More letters, a handwritten notebook which I’m not sure whom it belongs, and the authorization to tap the Cindy, George and Lee Anthony’s phones along with Jesse Grund’s and Tony Lazarro’s. Perhaps, this is why not long ago, Jose Baez asked for more phone records on Tony Lazarro. At the time we thought he was insane. Well, maybe not so crazy now.
WFTV November 2, 2010 link can be found here:
http://www.wftv.com/news/25603413/detail.html
Categorized as:
Cindy’s Letters to Casey/ more Letters
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/25606323/detail.html
Handwritten Note about Case
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/25605534/detail.html
Authorizing Trap & Trace Device
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/25605424/detail.html
Casey’s Reaction To Caylee Found
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/25605645/detail.html
Snipped from PDF file: Email from Tammy Unser describing Casey’s reaction to the news when Caylee was found.
@ 1136 – Lt. Unser escorts Casey out of her cell to the female medical area to watch the breaking news on TV.
Upon entering the medical area she looked at the TV and immediately fell into the chair, doubling over and began to breathe rapidly. At one point we thought she was going to hyperventilate. She asked for the belly chains to be loosened as she felt like they were too tight, and she could not breathe. We knew however they were not tight, and we did not loosen them .
@ 1139 – she lifted her head up and leaned back in the chair, however her eyes were closed, she was still breathing rapidly.
@ 1141 – Casey began pulling at arm and fidgeting with her hands. I asked her if she wanted to speak with Dr. Branch from Mental Health and she said she wanted to call her attorney. I told her before she would be allowed to speak with her attorney she would have to speak with mental health. She agreed to speak with Dr. Branch.
@ 1143 – Lt. Unser escorted her to the L Unit medical office to speak with Dr. Branch. I remained in the room with her during this time. She was still breathing rapidly and fidgeting with her hands during her conversation with him. She reassured both of us she was not going to hurt herself. I stressed my concern was her safety and we needed to make sure she was OK. She again stated hurting herself would not solve anything. She did ask Dr. Branch if she could get a sedative or something to help her relax. She also asked if we knew whether her attorney was coming or not. I told her I thought he was, but was not sure.
@ 1155 – Dr. Branch left the office and I remained in there with Casey. She asked if I would sit with her until her attorney arrived. I stated I would if he was there in the next 15 to 20 minutes. I asked her again is she was OK and she said yes, it was just too early to cry, and she was not going to break down. She then changed the subject to football and began talking about the national championship game.
@ 1200 – her attorney Jose Baez showed up. Casey was taken into an interview room with him. I stood outside the interview room during the visit. During the first couple of minutes Casey broke down and started to cry. She held her head in her hands and seemed visibly upset by her body motions. I could not see her face due to the way she was sitting in the conference room.
@ 1235 – Her attorney took out a note pad and started to write down some notes. For approximately 20 minutes he would open and close the notebook writing very few notes.
@ 1243 – she was given a sedative by the nurse.
@ 1325 – Attorney Baez left and I escorted Casey back to her cell. She appeared to have red eyes from crying, however her breathing was back to normal. I asked her if she was OK and if the medicine worked. She stated she was as well as could be expected but that her stomach no longer hurt and she did not feel like throwing up any more. Her personal property was bagged up as she was put on a Psy Watch, however she was allowed to keep reading materials and her pictures of Caylee.
@ 1345 – she asked if she could take a shower, which was given. After her shower she seemed calmer and asked if she could to speak with Ms. Pat a mental health specialist.
@ 1400 – Ms. Pat enters Casey’s cell and talked with her.
@ 1445 – Lt. Unser left the L Unit. Ms. Pat was still talking to Casey. Lt. Unser looked in the cell, and noted her eyes appeared to be red, however she also had a very calm demeanor.
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I find this terribly disturbing. Note, it took Casey 19 minutes from the time she left her cell to the first time she asked for her attorney. At that point, the experiment should have been over and Casey should have immediately been escorted back to her cell.
I’m horrified by this cruelty that a presumably innocent mother of a deceased child had to endure.
Here is Lt. Tammy Unser’s deposition.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/7141722/Casey-Anthony-Tammy-Unser-deposition-released-12-june-2009
More on this topic from a previous post.
http://thejbmission.wordpress.com/2010/07/18/in-the-game-of-justice/
Here’s cfnews13 link
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UPDATE!
I’m looking forward to everyone’s thoughts as I’m trying to figure this out as we go along.
TIA,
JB
Hello everyone. Since the trial is over and the right verdict was read, I think it would be a great idea to leave this thread up at all times for all of you Sleuthers out there who are still trying to get answers, me included.
So to keep all of the information in one place, I hope to use this thread up and posted on the front page of my site. I know this thread was created to discuss the exposed letters between Casey and her jail mate but just the same lets add more “crumbs”.
Much Appreciated!
theJBMission~
ZubenElSchemali
November 2, 2010 at 2:42 pm edit
OMG, I thought Orlando was a large town. What are the chances this Gonzalez also worked for Rinaldi in the past. That was his first job when moving there from NY, in January 2005.
There is a new mystery IP, 76.108.175.241 asked about for June 1, 08 through comcast. LE waited too long to ask for it. It’s in Miami, of all places. I suspect it s the Zenaida Dora Myspace. How convienient for them they waited too long.
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Zuben,
I had to bring your comment here because I just stumbled on this “Mr. Gonzalez” starting on page 49 of
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/november/168499/More-documents-to-be-released-in-Casey-Anthony-case Volume 1
Yes, on page PDF 62, it looks like he worked for Rinaldi AC co. from 1/1/2005 to 3/1/2007
This was his 1st job in Orlando. on page PDF 50, he lives in apt # 210 at a different complex. Sawgrass hires him 5/21/08, he’s planning on living @ Sawgrass too, but he abruptly quits on 7/2/2008 after acting standoffish for a couple of weeks. see page 44.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Just finished work since 8am Whew! I tried to comment from my cell LOL it
wouldn’t go through for some reason. Anxious to go over docs but will have to
wait a day or two): Just wanted to say Zub, keep in mind my Michigan references!
Thanks snoop!,
I was thinking the same thing. Great read..come back soon.
Wow JB!!!!! Havent read the commentary yet..but caught your comment. Had already read
comments earlier on cell. I really am anxious here with a little new info. In the past
several weeks I have stumbled over some old and new..Going to read for few..have to be up at 8 again:(
Damn Jb he was maintenance at that..And apt 210 at another place???
Hey jb if you are still here..where’s the reference to Mi..want to look over real quick
Ok..have to sleep..but the address for Juan will actually be Winter Park Fl..
Snoop, please see pg 23296-8. The final page has the Michigan connection, Jenni who wrote to tell Melich about finding Jennifer and Raquel by reversing the last names. She is from Reading, Michigan. It looks as though this isn’t the only time she has written him. See beginning on pg 23018 forward for the Gonzalez info. while they expected him to take an apartment there within the next month, they don’t show him being assigned an apartment so either it is missing or he didn’t move in.
There was a duplicate of a doc that was released in 2008, shown on pg 23299 and forward, following the email from Jenni in Michigan. It is Casey’s check cashing at Amscot. I didn’t take not of it when it was first released but the last check from Event Imaging was on December 23 of 2005.The next series of checks comes from Ceredian, which I believe is a payroll service. They come regularly until March 10, 2006. I notice she isn’t rushing to cash some of these payroll checks, a couple being cashed a week after they were written.
The following check she cashed says from roommate for rent, name is Brian B. L. Who is this and did she really live somewhere else for a while? This was 6 months later, September 15, 2006. The only other Amscot activity is the first three months of 2008.
Good Morning Zuben,
It seems they saved the best for last, huh? He’s a new hire, hired on 5/21 and quits on 7/2.
He’s so despondent, maybe his wife left him? ooops, did I say that?
I was up very late last night and read up to page 23096.
I read your comment on the other thread about Rinaldi a/c? What else do you know about this company?
Morning Jb, Zuben, Myrrh, Snoop …et al …. okay …. still a bit fuzzy … but …. having trouble putting the pieces together ….. maybe I didn’t follow and/or read all the documents released over these many months.. but —– can someone offer a timeline or theory that all these pings, IP’s, names and people have in common with this case …. as was mentioned yesterday — it’s refreshing to read comments loaded with intellegence and thinking rather than emotional decisions on at leat two other blogs. Frankly, one would think the comments related to two entirely different cases.
Good morning Hazaka,
LOL, I read that remark yesterday. “one would think the comments related to two entirely different cases” I sometimes think that too.
Anyway, Let me see if I can help you follow along. On this site:
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/november/168499/More-documents-to-be-released-in-Casey-Anthony-case
BTW, forget about WFTV, this link is much better.
Check out page 44 in Volume 1. You’ll find a Mr. Gonzalez was a maintenance man @ Sawgrass, on pg 45, Letter 7/1/08, Gonz. acting standoffish, not doing his work, not friendly. Gonz. says he’s found another job in NY.
pg 49, He’s offered an apt. @ Sawgrass 5/30
pg 50, He’s moving from an apt. complex, His apt # there is 210?
Thanks JB — will go there now …..
Good morning everyone…I was just about to ask Zuben what his reference to Rinaldi when I saw a copy of the check but didn’t put it together with this Gonzalez man. Wow, that is strange. Still reading…
Just finished reading a ton of pages … I am most curious about this juan Gonzalez .. he DID live and work at Sawgrass … he WAS FROM NEW YORK — gee…… wasn’t that what casey said about Zaneida … originally from NY and lived a Sawgrass????
Good morning, JB and all. You can see the staff at Renaldi’s here: http://www.rinaldis.com/staff.php Bobby is the boss. Hmmm, I wonder if they bought the computer from them, accounting for the user name, bobby.
If you decide to check out this JMG fellow, there are many with the same first/last name and others with the same middle initial. In fact, you may recognize his full name from a news story back in 2000. He was the father that lived in Cuba, of the boy who was trying to make it to the US with his mother, as refugees, his mother dying before she made it here. The boy was sent back to Cuba. The only thing I see in the OC clerk records that could be him for sure is a couple of minor traffic infractions.
Zuben, JB or anyone …. why do you suspect George’s employment applications are … and should be public knowledge … especially as part of this case???
Hazaka,
Anyone’s employment records were an unfortunate necessity to the case. Le needed to verify where George was on June16th, 17th, etc. to see if he was anyway involved with Caylee’s disappearance and to justify what he told LE. The problem exists that if LE, PA or the defense requests any records….they will become part of discovery.
Please keep in mind that it is not the PA, LE or the defense that is releasing this info to the public. This is why there are attorneys from the media in court all the time. Under the Sunshine Laws the media attorneys petition the court for the access to discovery, then ends up in print or news casts. The only way for any of this not to show up is if Perry seals part of this discovery. To date Judge Perry has sealed the accounting of the rest of the money Beaz spent not disclosed in court. The next thing that is sealed is the video of KC near the infirmary when the news alert happened. I believe at this time everything else has been released to the media. I’m with you though….their needs to be a line drawn somewhere.
damagdpets
——– onw thing — tho Perry didn’t release the video of Casey when she was told … a description of her reaction WAS released …. I’m getting more and more “willies” (sp) about this whole “case” …
—————— Thanks so much …and sorry I didnt “acknowlege” this morning …. ‘cept as et al
You’re so right D, but I don’t believe they had any right to release anyone’s SS # or Casey’s visit to the doctor. They published another SS in this dump and not only described when she visited the doctor, but the name and the fact that she was given a sedative along with her past meds. They are in for a law suit. In fact, I think that MS Anthony may be a very wealthy woman when this is all said and done. Each time there is a doc dump, even though it is docs that should have been released 2 years ago, I become more and more sure. Now, I also notice there are a lot of docs released that haven’t been released to the media, several times, if I am not mistaken. Or maybe no one was interested or it was all just duplicates, like so many of the dumps are. They will only pay for them so many times. Here is one thing I think a lot of people who criticize their spending overlook. The financial assessment so far in this case, shown at the clerks site is $10,590.68 with a balance due of $2.00. Over $4,000 of that has come from the defense, Mason and Lyon going there once themselves, at least. I haven’t heard any asking for the JAC to pay those fees, only what they have to ask for that are considered public record and not part of discovery. Or did I miss that. If not, then what hasn’t been disclosed is probably going to these discovery docs, many being duplicate and triplicate.
Zub, You are right about much. I do remember Perry authorizing copying fees a couple of times. I think it started at the motion hearing after the indigency hearing. I’m sure they are related to getting some of the docs. I have also noticed that some of the docs have been turned over in CD/DVD form to the defense….they still have to print them. The things you noticed about info like the SS#…I would think is a colossal screw up by someone in charge of redacting certain info. You know as well as I do that all the paper shuffling is done by clerks with instruction. They are usually pretty sharp. A good friend is a paralegal….I swear to you she knows more about what’s going on than the attorneys she is working for! What I don’t know in a case like this where the PA or the defense gets by the HIPPA Laws unless someone signed their rights away. Pretty sure that was done but should be redacted from public eyes.
With the alert from JB about CFNEWS13 amounted to all the info in one spot. Some of the other media outlets are only providing what they think interesting. The part about paying for it comes to mind. The media has to pay for all the copies as well, so maybe they have cut back the spending on this case after 2 years….Just a thought. I think I told you about the Croslin case where there were many more hours of video and audio but no one media outlet let alone two would pay for anymore. Still a couple thousand dollars of material available.
I wanted to pose one other thought. I spent time googling the names Goanzales,…Mike Zaneida, etc. From New York to Florida because of the Puerto Rican and Cuban populous, it’s like googling Smith in Ohio, Michigan…..you know where I’m going. Unless I can find more info, this could be chalked up to coincidence. It seems that we all have run into this through out this case. Like you these doc dumps, out of sequence, date, relativity starts driving me crazy. Then all it take is for me to read a letter from an inmate that claims he knows the whole story, and like a dummy, I read it and sets me back because it’s outside the scope of what I was researching. I stopped trying to organize this about 7,000 pages ago. I have time but no that much and haven’t been offered a cookie yet…lol
Hope you are having a good day and Thanks Again for your efforts!
Damagdpets, I’m with you there!
The amount of pages is unbelievable and we can’[t even delete the empies or duplicates with these pdfs. Baez and Mason need a whole team just to sort it all out, then a team of paralegals to pull out what they need to see. The sad thing is, it is a simple task to only give one copy of everything.
On pg.23019 Mr Gonzalez tells his bosses that the prior week (June 23-29) he went to NY, found a job and was returning that weekend, July 4-5 His phone is an unpublished land line in Winter Park. Maybe he didn’t move in to Sawgrass? On June 12 he was trying to start up personal benefits (like auto insurance discount) but wasn’t yet in the system. Now, he wouldn’t qualify until June 21, if he started May 21. Here is the list of benefits they offer: http://www.aimcocareers.com/benefits.cfm?can_id=&req_id=&header=&ev_id=&screen_job_cat_list=&this_source_id=&source_id= I don’t see auto insurance on the list but there is life insurance, a fitness club and discounts on legal services. Perhaps he was just wondering how much of a discount the rent is. It’s 20%. Marsh Benefits are mentioned, one person wanting to know why he is being sent to Marsh Personal Benefits. See http://www.marshvoluntarybenefits.com/tabid/60/Default.aspx for auto and legal assistance. There was also a link on the main page that gives discounts on hotels, rental cars, etc. https://smartsavings.motivano.com/Welcome.aspx?cn=marshemployeemarketplace Perhaps this is what he was after, for his NY trip coming up. His benefits would kick in just in time for the weekend of the 20th-22nd.
While we don’t see his apartment assignment, they said he planed to move there after the 1st of June. He had been living just a very short distance from TL, at Signal Point apartments. Snoop, isn’t that getting awfully close to you? I think TL was getting to know Casey on Facebook about the same time that JMG applied for this job, which was May 8. He lists his previous address as 1863 S Semoran Blvd, Orlando, FL but Google maps shows that to be a commercial area and Orange County property site comes up empty when I search. It doesn’t look like apartments at all. It’s less than 1.5 mi NE of Sawgrass. Casey’s phone pinged there about 5pm on June 9. Remember, that is the original date she said Caylee was taken and she said she went to pick her up about 5pm. This is just tooo much to be a coincidence. I wonder if Macklin checked out his previous employer and address before hiring him. His first address in Florida is owned by a woman. You’re right, Damagdpets, that trying to find out more about him would be like looking for a needle in a haystack.
The fact that the mysterious J Gonzalez worked for an heating/cooling company reminded me of something. From what I understand about freon, whether recharging a home or auto air conditioner, it contains chlororform. Another name for chloroform is Freon 20. The R class of refrigerant is produced by adding 2 atoms of clorine to carbon tetrachloride (the supposed human decomp marker they are boasting was in the trunk). In fact, while it is being phased out by 2020, R22 is still very common and is used in existing air conditioners. If there were a leak in the car AC, wouldn’t there be higher than normal amounts or either found?
Beginning on pg 23097, someone using a payphone in Manhattan NY, made a threatening call to Amy H telling her to drop the charges against Casey.
Zuben, and all hi. Just getting home..I will have some time now if I can keep my eyes open!
Oh..I will LOL I am so ready to dive back in. I have been doing so much research the last
couple weeks..and it is as you say sooooo overwhelming. I started with one and ended up
as always with so many people bookmarks up the ying yangLOL
Just getting started here Zub..I only have his addresses so far LOL..Winter Park is about 30 min from me tops. However, you
are saying Signal pointe apt thats on Howell Branch Road still Winter Park. Don’t know where
you got that?
His current address at the time was 2350 Nautical way Winter Park ..It says Seminole in the
docs but that is county. That address and apt. is Cheri Salchow.
Zub, Just a couple of things I know a lot about. The R-22 Freon is still available but only used in the oldest of equipment. Most equipment out there will accept the alternative gasses available. Also…unless he himself is a licensed Hvac or refrigeration contractor, in most states you can’t buy it. That’s not to say he couldn’t take some off of a company truck but most contractors do not carry a large amount because of the costs. A lot of the smaller companies will leave it in the shop and give it to the truck that will need it for a particular job. Larger companies will have a small supply in all trucks. Freon in the bottle is in a liquid gas state. When charging an air conditioning unit for a car the connection is under the hood and when you disconnect the hose it dissipates very fast. In order to get a concentration of it in one spot you would have to take the hose of the bottle and hold it within a couple of inches of a surface for it to saturate. A couple oz. in air will dissipate quick. So if there was a leak it would vent to the outside of the car….again open air.
The 9th???? I went round and round with that date because of how it was used not just by KC but Cindy as well. I always thought that there was some story made between them until the picture of Caylee with her Great Grandfather came in.
The phone call to Amy from NY…I don’t remember the date…possible it was TL when he was in NY…or maybe a friend of his trying to help….I’m guessing without looking…..getting tired.
You know before I go further..I have been playing the name game too damagdpets. I have been
switching some names around ..No wonder I have so many bookmarks LOl..But it is
amazing what I have found doing so..and then Lo and behold..I will happen on to one of
Casey’s acquaintance..a friend..or a name mentioned in the case.???? And one trail leads
to another..how can this be? Except for in trying to not expose she gave enough info to
go on? The faster I go the further behind I get.
Listening to the jail house visits again of recent topic..and a couple months back, when Baez
began deposing..I went backwards to refresh my mind as well.
I still wonder about ZG..the law suit ZG. I listened back at her first undercover interviews several parts..as well as the first time she showed her face. I remember I was so suprised seeing it that day live. After all that time she shows face scantily clothed LOL..Each to own.
But then the next interview..her hair is different..she is dressed in a suit etc. She cleaned
for a living, and her and boss thought best she left.
Now..although she has been cleared..her boyfriend or possibly ex now is 22yrs old. Zenaida
is 40 I believe. Casey did describe curly hair,,then using a straightener. Mixed , half
black half Puerto Rican..on her my space she has pics of parents..mom Puerto Rican..dad black. Same car, was at sawgrass..has young and older kids..they go by nicknames she says
in her interview with her attorney Morgan. She has a few different looks..and many poses..She says Fl, NY and PR are her homes.. And a brother here.Her boyfriend 22 use to have names of some
of Casey’s friends..I looked briefly again a couple nights back and I seen the Cast Iron..the tatoo parlor and Danny knight. Now supposedly, he was teaching them how to do piercings
at the parlor. In her interviews she says he is the one who wanted to go to Sawgrass. That
they had been down Conway to different places that day. I do not now her boyfriend’s real name. I realize as I said she has been cleared..but is there a connection SOMEWHERE????
Who is Juan Gonzalez?
Interviews
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17122200/detail.html#related
Showing face 1st time
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2008/0929/17581694.200k.asx
Interview with Morgan
http://www.wftv.com/video/17580338/index.html
Zenaida Myspace
http://www.myspace.com/gitana2332
Boyfriends Myspace
http://www.myspace.com/jaobebe
I watched her face, listened to her words..quite different from the way she portrays her self
on Myspace. Anyways, theres more but I have to get to the docs LOL
Oh, Zub..did you ever discuss the Neckbreakin? I recall someone bringing up the searches
on the PC recently for neck breaking etc. It reminded me, but I didn’t have time to post.
For those that don’t know or have not seen, there is a The neck breaker Myspace. It is a Big
event here in Orlando for trucks. My neice is even in there tee hee! Anyway, some of Casey’s friends were in there..including Lake Vaj..sean daily..Ryan I think..can’t recal all..I think some dropped out?l. But could have been
the search.
http://www.myspace.com/tallrussell
Also I came up with this link through one of the sites friends..You can’t get in..but I will
see how it came up..http://www.myspace.com/vititoelbandido I think Zenaidas boyfriend.
Zuben,
Isn’t interesting when we add JMG into the mix? A disgruntled new employee of Sawgrass apts, who suddenly needs to leave town within the time Caylee goes missing?
I know it’s too early for me to theorize but WHAT IF, Casey is told by Zenaida to leave Caylee with the maitenance man @ Sawgras, she’s out running errands, whatever. She’ll pick up Caylee from there. And let’s say Casey has met this guy briefly thru ZG. Of course, Casey not being the most careful parent, and she’s hankering to see Tony, hands Caylee over to him in the parking lot of Sawgrass. Casey goes off, doing her thing, and within a day or so, she realizes she can’t find Zenaida. Just a thought..
I’m still reading. I’ve been bogged down with Life activities today. BTW, the chloroform – Freon connection makes sense to me. Wow, good point.
Back to reading…
@Snoop, on pg 49 Volume 1, there’s mention of Signal Pointe. I’m assuming it’s an apartment complex.
damagdpets
November 3, 2010 at 10:29 pm
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The 9th???? I went round and round with that date because of how it was used not just by KC but Cindy as well. I always thought that there was some story made between them until the picture of Caylee with her Great Grandfather came in.
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That’s exactly what I thought Damagd. I wondered how could the entire family be confused. BTW, do you recall George said something about “the last time he saw Casey and Caylee, he was chasing them down and lost them in traffic”…It’s been awhile, but it was something to do with seeing Casey near a strip mall?? This was never mentioned again, once he knew about the picture from Father’s Day at the nursing home and the date changed to June 16th. hmm..
I remember that chase JB but I don’t remember the date he was supposed to have been
doing that. Did that have something to do with June 9th.
Hi Comment,
I’m thinking it was before they realized it was June 16th as the last day anyone saw Caylee.
Not really sure, I just remember the story and it was never mentioned again. If this story was true and George did chase Casey, then this would have happened on or about June 18 or 19th?
The chase story was related to FBI by George. He claimed that Casey came home and took her mothers car. He said Cindy told him to not go after her. In a subsequent interview with LE Cindy said she knew nothing about it. George never did catch Casey. He got the slip.
George was not sure on the date and said they would have to check his EPass records .
Hey Damadgpets,
So he did say this to the FBI and Cindy denies it?? Why? I would think Cindy would remember this. Also, I wonder why George says this and IF his ePass checked out…
This is downright crazy.
Thanks for the clarification.
Interesting:
In a note to her daughter from June 2009, she explained her frustration with the State Attorney’s Office. Cindy wrote, “I really don’t know how they can get away with sharing all of your private mail with the public. I don’t care that the Sheriff’s Office reads them, but where in the constitution does it state that the public has a right to read letters sent through the U.S. Postal Service.”
I have a huge problem with Cindy’s statement. You would think that with as many attorneys around them the question has been brought up before. Cindy has probably been told the answer as to how the Sunshine Laws work but probably refuses to accept them. Another example of the Anthony’s showing off there lack fundamental understanding of what’s going on around them. If they would have kept their mouths shut as advised and 99% of the population that get involved in a case like this…..they more than likely would not have been crucified by the media.
If you get a chance to watch “One Tree Hill” the 100th episode…..it’s a kidnapping scenario and the Nanny fits zanny’s description beyond well….she is a 10. Season 5 Episode 12
http://www.one-tree-hill-episodes.com/episodes/season-5/episode-12-hundred.html
JB, I did a little bit of writing on the contradictions in Cindy and George’s interviews but I know Val did a bunch more and show the direct lies that were told by them. If you ever read it, you would wonder to yourself why they were never charged with obstruction.
Damagdpets,
You may be surprised to know but I agree with Cindy. There really is no need for anyone other than LE or the Gods that Be to read personal mail that comes stamped from the United States Post Office. As for Cindy complaining about it, that is her Right, this is America.
Sorry, but I don’t see where she’s wrong for that. I don’t think it’s denial or that she’s being radical. Remember George and Cindy were both law abiding citizens before this happened. They were not criminals. I think even LE realizes that. Therefore, there NEVER will be ANY charges brought against them.
When I asked you IF George told that story, I wasn’t making a point as to it being a lie but did it ever check out? I haven’t seen any document that says it was. I’m already over what George and Cindy tried to do. It was obvious to everyone that LE focused in on Casey and Casey alone. I think, initially George and Cindy were being candid but soon clammed up when they saw there was NOT going to be an Amber Alert. They were building a murder case against their daughter. Period.
That’s what i think.
Damadg,
I’ve watched it before but I don’t see the correlation to the murder at hand because the name Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez didn’t just pop up in Casey’s head on the morning of June 16th or whatever day it’s thought she brutally murdered her daughter.
In Richard Grund’s interview he states clearly the name Casey gave as her new babysitter. She told him the full name. So unless, Casey had this diabolical plan in her empty head as far back as 2006, I think there’s a good chance she may exist. Or at least, a babysitter that Casey conned into watching Caylee. There’s too many varibles to mention.
ZFG may be missing too. ZG may be Caylee’s paternal aunt. I’m not over the fact that Caylee’s biological father is an unknown. And with new documents surfacing, its becoming more unlikely that the State can prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. I wonder what the media will do with a not guilty verdict. Yikes.
thejbmission
November 4, 2010 at 6:32 am
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I could not agree with you more! My sentiments precisely! Actually … been saying something similar all along. What a horrible place to be in fo the Anthony’s…. no matter what!
Good moring all. I have a client waiting for some work but had to reply to some things before I begin. Snoop, his addresses are found on doc page 23041. After looking more closely to the prior address, I see what looks like some apartments behind Kmart so that must be where the address is.
While I’ve said from the beginning that the civil suit ZG has no case because Casey clearly said she isn’t the one, I’ve wondered about her too, after doing a lot of research on her. Thanks for the info. So, we have BeBe and BeBa. She’s added some pics since I last visited there.
Damagdpets, thank you for the educatio on coolants. Yes, it would dissipate into the air quickly, which is exactly a point I made long ago about the chloroform in the trunk. There had to have been something there creating it for it to be there. Since there was no decomp residue found in the carpet, that would eliminate that as a possible source. So what was creating the chloroform they found in their test. Gasses rise and dissipate, don’t stay for long. Chloroform is very volatile.
I’m convinced that the 9th holds some special significance. Casey knew that video tape existed on both computers. She had been counting the days. She wouldn’t be that specific then get the date wrong. There had to be a reason. I think I remember the date of the payphone call being Oct. 15. No way TL was trying to help Casey. It might have just been an admirer wanting to help Casey.
While I see your point about Cindy and George bringing on some of the bashing onto themselves, I think you are sort of blaming the victim here. The media chooses how they edit and what they will present as their version of truth. We have a very narrow view of the Anthonys. Some of the things I’ve read that are used to support them being liars are taken out of context too. Yes, she said she should have given them the dog tooth brush but that was a sarcastic remark made as she was loosing faith in LE. She knows very well that even a shared hairbrush will have Caylee’s DNA. As for the statement about the letters, I’d say the same thing. I think the law and court opinion clearly eliminates private mail not connected to government operations or this murder investigation from the items up for grabs by the public. Time will tell but the wheels of justice are so slow, probably because she has a blindfold on. I am pretty sure that if any of us were in the Anthony’s position, with the case handled the way it has been, most of us would appear much like they do and bloggers would be critisizing us instead of them.
A friend brought something important to my attention. If Melich had this info on JMG for over 2 years, where is the rest of the followup, to clear this guy as a POI. But that lead me to another realization. LDB said she was going to go to Melich’s computer and pull up anything she thought might be relevant to make sure the defense has everything. So I am assuming that she is the one responsible for this info going to Baez and I would also have to assume that this is all there is. If so, why? And why did Melich not hand it over himself? Also, the report on the unknown number isn’t complete. He seems to have quit after he found out that it wasn’t a routing number in July of 2008.
Well, I must pull myself away and dive into my work. Have a great day all.
u 2 Zuben…… and thanks for your thoughts…….
Good morning everyone. I am amazed at the sharp observations you are all making–it will help me go back and try to make sense of what I’ve read.
With my poor memory
I can’t seem to hang onto facts for too long. I should have taken notes, but I remember seeing some correspondence about a chemical (it may have been called Bluepoint, or something similar), with OSCO asking if it could be used to make chloroform (it was not). Did anyone notice that, and if so, could it have been a chemical used by the maintenance dept. at Sawgrass?
I also thought it was strange that there was no reports of follow-up investigation of this JMG.
Blessed day to all!
You’re right Zuben,
The call to Amy was made Oct 15th. And I agree, no way was Tony Lazarro trying to help Casey.
On pg122, 23096, it seems like the perp was identified as Fletcher Mendez of NY, NY.
I can’t believe it took 2 years for Baez to get the report on JMG. He certainly should have been a POI at least until he was cleared.
Is LDB trying to take the heat for Melich? Or was this to make her seem fair and impartial?
Pas-don, as my grandmother would say. French for “as if”.
This makes me wonder what else is being held back? JMO.
JB — I wonder as well —-
snoop,
Wow, quite a transition from lawsuit ZG..lol and the boyfriend? What are his aspirations in life? geesh..
Well, I went back to find the reference to what I remembered as “Bluepoint,” and it was on the very last page of the very last volume! And it’s Bluestar, not Bluepoint. Bluestar’s a forensic spray used to reveal bloodstains that have been washed out. So I guess LE was trying to rule that out as a possible cause of finding chloroform in the trunk.
In Volume 10, did anyone decipher the results of the latent fingerprints? I couldn’t tell if they gave results or not.
June 16 – At or about 12:30 p.m., George Anthony allegedly sees Casey and Caylee leave with backpacks on their shoulders.
At 2:30 p.m., George Anthony leaves for work.
Between 3:00 p.m. and 7:30 p.m., Casey allegedly makes numerous calls, lasting anywhere from a few seconds to a minute, to her parents and several friends.
Question:
Where was George working? Based on document dumps he had applied for a job with Anderson International on 6/17/2008. These documents, based on his written responses reveal his last job ended March of 2008 with Fox protective Services, which would have made him unemployed on the 16th. Was he working PRN or part time for a security company?
Well skip the above question I found my answer. LOL Have a great day.
stalking feet
pretty please!
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tell us …. tell us .. tell us!!!
I looked & looked but didn’t see a timesheet for the week ending June 20. The ones before and after that week had a heading of Security Forces Inc. It looked like Pershing was the client.
Still digging. I was told LE verified his employment but still can not find proof. Will keep digging. If the story of the las time he saw Caylee is correct why did George call Casey at 4PM? He said he last saw them a few hours before, he has never mentioned that either. I did check the phone records.
Hi all. Long day and still not done but needed a break. On doc page 23118, the work app for Andrews International, dated June 17 George writes that he is not currently employed and can start July 1. The following page shows his work history, last job listed as Fox Protective Services, 10/2007-3/2008, as a supervisor. Then on June 20 he sent an email to them saying he needed to start July 7 instead of July 1 because his wife needed assistance with medical tests the week of June 30-July 4. I don’t know why everyone wants to say he is a kept man. He worked pretty steadily and seems to have been willing to take different types of jobs in order to stay employed. But I haven’t yet put all the pieces together. I see one job change was due to the separation with Cindy, understandable.
A friend pointed out that I might have the wrong Rinaldi. There is one spelled differently than on Cindy’s check that is a plumbing company. http://www.rainaldiplumbing.com/contact.html
I’m beat. Have a great night all. You too, stalking feet. Nice to see you.
Hi JB, Zuben, Stalking Feet, Hazaka, Snoop & all — Although it wasn’t listed on George’s resume or Andrews Intl. work app., I did see an application dated January 2008 for employment with Security Forces. His employment with Fox Protective Services ended 2-1-08 according to a handwritten note on this application–they had lost a contract, so George was looking for other work. For some reason, the payroll for the week of June 16-20 was missing, but the week of June 23-27 was there. Maybe his work for this company was temporary/PRN.
Was out for a bit today — was getting “cabin fever” ——– tho’ I have check another blog —so, OUT OF CONTROL …. amazing how different things are . analysis vs emotion… oye…
Hi myrrh,
I wonder why LE thought to look at George’s work records. We kept hearing he didn’t work, but I noticed he had some money in his bank acct. Maybe the internet gambling was paying off…lol
But all in all, with the exception to JMG I didn’t see anything new or exciting in the documents. The fingerprint report? Did you notice from where this fingerprint was found?
I’m off to do some holiday shopping while I have free time.
Have a nice weekend.
Hi Hazaka,
Are you referring to BS’s? I checked it out yesterday and didn’t see much happening there either. I guess, it’s the lull in new information that inflames the angry attitudes. You’re a refreshing voice in their realm of boredom. Keep up the good work and stay true to yourself as you always do.
Have a great weekend too!
thejbmission
———–Thanks .. take a look at today — oye va voy … *(that’s what is said in Israel —- NOT oye vey —
Another mystery man? An inmate named Curtis Jackson sent a letter to L Burdick claiming the between late 2007 and mid 2008 he was an “associate” of TL and KC. He claimed to have met KC through a pen-pal and corresponded with here for several months. He implied that she wrote to him asking, damning questions, about killing and getting rid of a body.
Unless there is some doc dump that would show for the 1st time that KC wrote a letter to anyone outside the jail….including his good buddy TL….I can only conclude this guy a froot loop. We are only able to assume that she was writing letters and giving them to Jose to give to her family but really have no proof, just a few times it may have been mentioned.
I hope this guy has copies but I sincerely doubt it……..He did have motive though. He told LB that he would give sworn testimony in exchange for LB appearing or sending a letter on his behalf when he was about to go infront of his parole board…..
I saw that too, DamagedPets, and didn’t understand it. If the correspondence was during 2007 through the middle of 2008, KC wasn’t in jail. It seemed to me he was just spouting things he had heard or read about the case –
Hi all. Hazaka, I don’t get around much but took a peek and one statement jumped out at me, “Perception is reality”. It brought back a memory of a statement my barely 18 year old said one time, which I think is more accurate. “What we perceive, becomes reality in our perception.” Ancient man knew that the world was round but in the Middle ages perception changed, only seeing as far as the human eye could perceive. Galileo was persecuted or nearly so, for reminding them what ancient man knew. Their perception didn’t change until an outside force that could see much further, changed it for them.
Damagdpets, these poor inmates will do anything to try for a break, won’t they?
Now for a little trivia. What is the date for the all time recorded high gas price in Orlando, Florida? For the longest time, I’d been trying to track down the the Hess gas receipt to see how may gallons Tony paid for. I know I saw it but can’t relocate it. I wondered if it would make sense, from the driving we knew she did, that she would have used that and run out of gas again. Anyway, I know that the gas came to 75.00 and was thinking that he must have put gas in both cars. But if she had Tony’s vehicle that day and visited Chris S. where was her car? Tony would have had it, wouldn’t he, especially if he put gas in it? I thought I might be overlooking something so I looked up what size gas tank a Sunfire has. It’s probably a 15 gallon tank. I did a search to find out what the gas prices were then and found out that the all time recorded average high for unleaded gas in Orlando was July 16, 2008, $4.009 per gallon. That’s the day Casey was arrested. 75/4=18.75 gallons and the price wasn’t as high a month earlier, so he must have put gas in both cars, maybe half a tank each. That location doesn’t have a car wash, I checked.
lol, Zuben, you never cease to amaze me. Not much gets pass you my friend. I’m sure your kids think first before telling you a little white lie. Wow.
<3 Maybe this explains why KC was constantly running out of gas? $4 bucks a gallon, yikes. Yes, the Sunfire has a 15gal. tank. I've checked. Question, did TL say he used a car wash? That would be an odd statement for him to make if he didn't, don't you think.
I’m in a different state, but remember those $4 days–it was costing me over $100 a month to get back & forth to work in an economy car–was it 2007 or 2008?
I mean ovfer $100 a WEEK!!
Golly Gee, JB. You’re quite a Lady, Bella; to grace this Fella.
Seriously, though, I really hate being lied to but I do understand the motives behind them. I believe Tony said Casey gave his car a wash while he was in NY. LE asked him where it was, he said he would show them but I don’t recall them ever finishing the rest of the story to report which car wash that was. It was in the interview when he was showing them where Casey ran out of gas. Myrrh, I’d forgotten exactly when that was but remember now. Yes, it was 2008.
While searching for something I ran across a very early interview I’d never read or seen that contains some statements by an early member of the defense team. It also has a surprising statement, hearsay from a reporter about what the FBI was saying in July of 08. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,395299,00.html
FRANCO: See, that’s the biggest question right now. There is really no active search. And when I spoke to Deputy Carlos Padilla, he said they’re just going on the leads that they’re getting in right now.
So I took it a step further, and I called the special agent, the FBI agent that’s involved in this case, Agent Dave Couvertier, who’s in charge of this case. And he says they’re standing by. They really can’t do anything unless Casey Anthony’s attorney requests that they talk to her, unless the Orange County sheriff’s investigators say, you know, Support us. Come behind us. Let’s start a grid pattern. look in lakes. Let’s look in the woods. Let’s put a helicopter out. Let’s find this girl. There’s really no active search for this girl, which really, really questions the Orange County investigators and what they’re doing to find this girl…
Maybe they were waiting for the gas prices to come down???
MICHAEL WALSH, CO-COUNSEL FOR CASEY ANTHONY: Thank you, Megyn.
KELLY: So the DJ taking issue with your statement, which I know came from your client, not from you, that she worked at Fusian, saying that’s not — that’s not true.
WALSH: All right. Well, how would he know who’s working promotions, since he’s busy spinning the records? Hopefully, he’s doing what he’s paid to do, especially since he’s living on Casey’s boyfriend’s couch.
KELLY: Well, he — but he says that Tony, the boyfriend, is his best friend and that the only reason Caylee went to — or Casey went to that club is because she was with Tony and that she was there as a party goer, as a — as a, you know, patron.
WALSH: How does he know that she wasn’t doing promotions for various companies? That’s what she does. That’s what promotions do. You don’t work there 9:00 to 5:00 when you’re doing promotions. Different liquor companies, different sponsors send you in there on different theme nights to promote different products.
KELLY: Did she get a paycheck?
WALSH: She was working there. Different times, yes.
KELLY: OK, so she got a paycheck from a promotions company?
WALSH: Different times, yes.
KELLY: But during this time, during the relevant time of these photos in June?
WALSH: I’m not going to talk about that. From the months leading up to that.
KELLY: OK. So you can’t state for a fact that when these photos were take in June, she was on the payroll.
WALSH: No, I — well, no I can’t. I don’t know who took these photos. I mean, I heard for the first time that these photos existed from the individuals who took them last night.
KELLY: Right.
WALSH: You know, one of the things that’s happened is we’re not getting this information until we go to the media. Nobody’s giving it to us. So tell whoever has photos, tell whoever has information to come see us so we can get to the bottom of it.
KELLY: Right. Well, and we found those two — those two guys who took those photos ourselves here at “On the Record,” so in defense of them and the investigators, I think we were the ones who unearthed those on a national level first.
But let me ask you — I want to get into the second part of the DJ’s statement. He says the last two weeks of June, he was — he was — that Casey was staying with Tony at the apartment and that Caylee was not with her. So according to this DJ, for at least the last weeks of June, putting it around June 15 forward, there was no Caylee. Do you dispute that timeline?
WALSH: I don’t know what he saw. I don’t know if he saw Caylee or not.
KELLY: But do you dispute that for the last two weeks of June, Caylee was not with Casey?
WALSH: I’m not going to give an exact timeline, but during portions of the last part of June, yes, Caylee was not with Casey.
KELLY: OK. And you — I mean, you won’t put the date closer to the end of June, closer to the middle of June?
WALSH: I will to law enforcement. I sure will.
KELLY: OK. And you know, you heard Rozzie, our reporter down there, talking about how there was frustration that they were saying they’re not going to look for little Caylee until Casey starts talking. Is your client willing to talk directly to investigators in, the presence of counsel?
WALSH: Yes, as long as the scope is the search for her daughter, not the prosecution of Casey herself.
KELLY: What does that mean, Michael?
WALSH: Well, when you come out there and the questions are all geared towards Casey’s guilt, rather than the location of her daughter, it tends to have a clear effect that they’re not looking for your daughter, they’re just looking for your prosecution. That’s not helpful to anybody, least of all little Caylee out there.
KELLY: You know, I wanted to follow up with you on something you said last night. You said that you have spoken with people who claim to have known this babysitter who Casey says took Caylee. Who are these people?
WALSH: I’m giving that to law enforcement, Megyn. And I want to give that to them, and we’ve tried to forward that to them and to let them do whatever they can. So I’m not trying to dodge the question, but I really need to give it to the proper authorities on that.
KELLY: OK. And can you tell me, are those are people who have actually laid eyes on the babysitter or actually spoken with the babysitter?
WALSH: Both. Both.
KELLY: Since the time Caylee went missing?
WALSH: From whenever the babysitter came into the lives up until, yes, right up until Caylee became missing.
KELLY: And can they vouch for the fact that that woman was, in fact, babysitting little Caylee?
WALSH: Sure. Sure.
KELLY: OK. And as far as you know — I want to — well, forget that. Let me ask it this way. Casey said that she got a phone call from the babysitter who allegedly has Caylee on the day that her mother called 911, which was July 15. She said she got a call from her and that it came from a private number. Do you know whether they have tracked down that phone record?
WALSH: We are in the process of getting it. I’m not sure that we have the exact phone records for that call. We’re in the process of gathering all the phone records to try to locate that call. In other words, we’re taking the steps necessary, but I cannot tell you that it was this date, this time, this number, at this point.
Again … thanks Zuben for your time and effort —- the more I read,the more it appears that LE did NOT look for Caylee… just how to ensnare Casey …..
Hi Zuben,
Thank you for this most revealing interview. Maybe they were waiting for the gas prices to go down. I’ve said that all along, LE didn’t do a thorough search for Caylee. We knew that when the missing child’s remains was found on the corner of Hopespring and Suburban. LE can’t have it both ways. They obviously focused in on building a case against Casey and not a live Caylee yet they don’t find her body 14 houses away?? It must be embarrassing for them.
When I read about the promotional job, something came to my mind that I hadn’t considered. My best friend’s 23yo daughter, who’s a hairdresser and very attractive was approached by a man and woman at a nightclub one night. They asked her if she wanted to work for them part time doing promotions for Budweiser. Her job was to meet up with 3 other young ladies at different clubs, wear sexy Budweiser outfit & promote Budweiser products for $100 a night.
My friend didn’t like the idea and thought it was dangerous because of the late hours her daughter would work, leaving nightclubs alone at 1am and the creepy guys that it might attract. I believe her daughter tried it for a couple of weeks and then quit. So there’s a promotion I forgot about also there’s the sexy nightwear models who promote sales during the day at certain bars and nightclubs. This might be the promotional job Casey had and maybe she was approached while working at Universal.
ZubenElSchemali
I am not inferring that George was a kept man, I was just curious as to where he was working and what time he actually had to report for duty. The very fact that the Anthony’s claimed the wrong date to start with has always made me wonder why all the confusion. Or was it the start of a cover up. I want to see as much evidence as possible, the gray areas are way to large in this case. The timeline from the very start of this case is questionable.
JMHO
stalking feet
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Hi there — I kniow you posted to Zuben…. but — my sense is all of this tragety “just happened” to George and Cindy — that at first, they had no idea what was yet to come ……
Hi everyone–the interview was very interesting! So many things we hear of in this case seem to be dropped without resolution or follow-up.
Hazaka
Thanks. I see a lot of wiggle room in the states case.
The State of Florida has got CASEY “dead to rights” and in its crosshairs.
The 31 DAYS and the make-believe ZFG are going to be the humongous white elephants sitting front and center in the courtroom each and every day of the trial.
Juries hate liars and conservative death-qualified jurors REALLY hate sociopathic liars like Casey. She is toast. Burnt toast!
You’re quite welcome. I agree, they didn’t look for her much at all, dead or alive. Stalking feet, I agree. The date mix up has me confused too. But, it is easy to mix dates up, loose track of time, especially if there was vacation time where one might not be in the normal mode. Cindy had two weeks of vacation, I believe. Many times I don’t know what the date is. I have to look in my email to be reminded. So it could be just a simple mistake on her part, the others latching on to it in the heat of the commotion, without thinking. Refresh my memory, was it Cindy or Casey who first said the 9th?
Now, I’m foggily remembering that George was working when he got this new job but he says he isn’t on the Andrews app. In his July 24 interview he said his last day at Security Forces was June 30 so he had to have been working and must have lied to Andrews. I might assume he was leaving under not the best circumstances and didn’t want Andrews calling them??? There can be a legit reason for that. I busted one of my former employers for covering defects in medical parts, not a plus with most employers looking at a new candidate for a job. I might as well have branded “whistleblower” into my forehead to advertise that job on my resume. Doc pg 23154 shows he did apply at Security forces in January of 08. Pg 23104 shows a time sheet for week ending July 4, client Charlie Wright, Pershing SMC 205 and some other time sheets follow. The week ending June 20 George worked 40 hours, 3-11 shift, off Thursday and Friday, the 19th and 20th.
JB, good point. This makes me wonder who, specifically, the new checks were coming from, shown in Casey’s Amscot actvity in this doc dump, early part of 2006. I’m thinking it must be the new company that took over at Universal because I’m pretty sure Casey was shown still on the payroll until March of 06 in an earlier doc dump. So many thousands of details though, make it really hard to keep it all straight.
Myrrh, you are so right. Why would that be?
Hi Andy. The term, “Dead to rights” bothers me. No one should have the right to death, someone else’s that is. But the phrase means that they absolutely (dead) have her in a proper manner and proper order (to rights). I have to disagree. They have charged her with premeditated murder without a cause of death, any proof that she was the last one to have touched her, no motive or evidence she ever abused her child. They can’t have acted in a proper order because they didn’t even look for ZG. They talked to 2 out of maybe 10 or more than lived in that area. They were made aware that someone from Miami, claiming to be Zenaida, using a pic of Caylee’s favorite character, created a myspace page on June 16. Now, Casey received private messages and had other communications on her page that were deleted but yet LE hasn’t bothered to track that down. Or if they have, they aren’t telling. Why would that be? Maybe they think she ran down to Miami, created a remote access on someone’s computer than created the page from Orlando. But as far as I know she doesn’t have any contacts there. Do you know of any? Or maybe all these strange coincidences are just random acts of chaotic nature in an ordered universe. I doubt it though. Having her in their cross hairs makes them sound like snipers. But they have at least one hair they haven’t crossed off their list of exculpatory evidence.
Have a wonderful night.
zuben — wow, thanks for going back to the employment records! I must have looked through them 3 or 4 times and didn’t see the week of the 20th–just missed them!
You’re welcome, Myrrh. It was hard to catch because they have the date typed incorrectly, 6/1202008. See page 23176. Maybe the Voodoo Queen of New Orleans cast her spell on them that day.
But it is also really hard to read those pages because you have to lay on the computer desk to read some from a 90° angle and one page in the copy I found, you have to stand on your head. LOL. I’m too old to want to do that any more. Well, I’m an hour late in starting on my work, slept in today. Funny, I don’t feel more rested. I don’t get to refuse to work on Sunday, or any other day. Have a good one.
Andy
November 6, 2010 at 8:23 pm
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I see that Zuben has taken issue with your “dead to rights” comment — I must add that your last line disturbs me as well… “Juries hate liars and conservative death-qualified jurors REALLY hate sociopathic liars like Casey. She is toast. Burnt toast!”
—————— It’s quite ghoulish … and presumptive, I feel.
———— and —-it’s been a while,and so much has happend (mostly in my life
) — what is the status of the (not the right) Zaneida civil case? I’m drawing a blank…. odd that since Cindy and Casey both said ..”she” is NOT the one… the case proceeded at some point!
Morning, Hazaka — I haven’t heard anything about the civil case for some time, but I think it is supposed to go forward after the criminal case. I had never seen anything like that — it was almost like the lawyers in the civil case were trying the criminal case in advance. I wonder if those depositions can be used in the criminal trial?
Zuben – no, I don’t want to be standing on my head either. Thanks so much for enduring all those contortions to get answers!
Have a great Sunday, everyone!
myrrh
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Thanks — I kinda thought so too re: the civil case brought by the Zenaida no one acknowledged was the “right” one… its as if those lawyers pumped her up …. and yes, you too have a great Sunday …. it’s chilly but sunny here in the mid atlantic….
Hi, I noticed some were talking about freon and people who work on air conditioning. I looked through the thread and didn’t see it and I appologize if it has already been discussed and am in no way accusing this j gonzalez, but if anyone uses industrial strength duct tape, its an air conditioning employee……
notthatsmart–
Hi–you’re definitely right about that. I hadn’t thought of it.
It is difficult to mention things like this without appearing to throw this person under the bus, but it’s just my curiosity that gets the best of me. Since its been a couple of years, I assume that the State has already investigated this and crossed it off of their list. If they have, then where is the interview of this person and the evidence that they did look into it? How long can they hold on to this type of discovery? How do they go about crossing this person off of their list if they haven’t even talked to him? Is it possible that they defferred this to the FBI since it may be an out of state lead if he moved back to NY? Does anyone know if he is still in Orlando? Another question. If the FBI took care of some out of state leads and interviews, how do we get that discovery and does it fall under sunshine?
I wonder if any of the police went back and asked the maintenance people at Sawgrass if they use that type of Duct tape.
Notthatsmart–
Very good questions! I’m curious too.
notthatsmart
November 7, 2010 at 11:38 am
Just about anything LE and the FBI did on this case that has a paper trail will at some point be dumped in discovery and then released to the media under the laws. After 2 1/2 years I believe that the state won’t hold anything out of discovery, that would cause a mistrial when it would come up in court. The defense on the other hand would cause great damage to their case if they hold anything back. I think both are guilty of some impropriety in the exchange of information but not to the point that the state would take a chance of sanction by Judge Perry. With everything given so far I think it’s going to be hard for the jury because I think that the case will come down to expert testimony by forensic people. I see no smoking guns on either side.
BBL….I have some thoughts I want all to ponder….
Good morning all!!!
Welcome notthatsmart, if you’re a curious sort of person, you’ve come to the right place.
Good catch, btw. I hadn’t thought about the duct tape, air condition repair connection??
I would hope LE checked out JMG and his motive for leaving Orlando during this crucial time. I have to think Amanda Macklin reported this to LE at the same time LE was asking about Zenaida Gonzalez.
I certainly hope this isn’t new information for the Defense! But considering Ashton is known for holding back evidence, it’s a possibility.
In either case, have you noticed that there’s no mention of his name in the media since the doc dump of Nov. 2nd? Again, they are down playing this discovery just like they did with the unknown DNA on the duct tape. It would be really nice if the media took a less bias position in this case. JMO
Hope everyone is having a Happy Sunday. The weather is just lovely in my neck of the woods.
JB —- hi …. I think “notthatsmart” IS KINDA SMART!!!!!
JB Could you send some of the weather my way…I’m cold!!
Speaking of discovery…it’s getting late and have not seen any discovery by the defense. The D has spent 275,000.00 they had and I’m not sure what the current total of state money spent. They are gonna have one heck of a doc dump at some point. As far as Ashton or Burdick holding back evidence…I hope there is some explanation for why the discovery is so out of sequence unless they interviewed out of order or had to follow up on something before they could release it. The biggest thing to keep in mind is….would Ashton or Burdick hold anything back that could cause a mistrial on the first day or in trial process. I don’t think they would set themselves to be sanctioned. But it has happened. I don’t believe it would be good for any one’s career and reputation to be admonished by Judge Perry…..
Hi NotThatSmart. Nice to see you. I agree with the strong one, Hazaka, you are smarter than you let on or advertise with your name.
Damagdpets, do you agree that this latest release concerning JMG was Linda Burdick’s doing to prevent a mistrial and if it weren’t for her going though Melich’s computer it wouldn’t have been released? Then it could very well have done just that, caused a mistrial when it finally was discovered. That would have been a huge waste of taxpayer money.
Hey Damagd,
, About that 275,000.00? Whatever it was spent on, Judge Perry doesn’t seem to have a problem with it. Didn’t they have an in camera meeting about the funds?
Sure, I’ll send some nice weather your way. Could send me some money for the stamp?
You should ask Zuben about Ashton. IIRC, he said Ashton did hold back evidence before in JP’s court and caused a mistrial? I’m not sure he’d do again, at least not in JP’s backyard, but..anything is possible.
Damagd, as you and I know, there’s so many “1st times” in this case, nothing would surprise me. We may even have a Perry Mason moment and the perp openly confesses to everything. hehe..Can you imagine?
I didn’t see you ahead of me D. You’re right, I can’t see either of the SAs taking that chance. Ashton has already been hit by Perry once and I have no reason to think LDB would do that on purpose. But, there can be exculpatory evidence that never sees their desk. The only reason, I assume, LB saw these things dated 2008 is because she went though a detective’s computer. Is she going though them all? And what of any tests ordered, that haven’t yet come back or handed over? Is someone telling them take you time, don’t worry about sending it right now because they don’t want to hand it over just yet? Surely there is no testing that would take 2 years to complete. Even if they wanted to recreate their whole theory at the body farm they could have recreated it 4 times over by now. Maybe they didn’t like the results?
As for the defense discovery, is it usual for the defendant to have discovery to hand over this long before trial? I haven’t followed another murder case this closely. Did the defense in the Simson trial have anything to hand over before trial and how long before? I’m glad you asked that question because I’ve heard it raised before and had never been concerned about it. Even though they have the reciprocal agreement their process is much different than the state’s process and requirements. They are the accuser and must present evidence to back up their accusation. I would think that all of the evidence would need to be in before the defense could know the best place to spend their time and resources. Yes, they have had a chunk of money that has been consumed, but don’t forget they are still paying at the clerk’s counter for papers. I know you said you think the JAC is paying for it but I don’t recall that being on the list, only FOIA or public info request charges. I might have just missed it though. Perhaps the money that hasn’t been accounted for publicly was set aside for such expenses they knew the JAC wouldn’t cover. Baez and Mason have to do some travel too. The office help is still doing work and this case and being paid.
It would not work in Perry’s court to not hand over discovery by the time he stated. It works both ways with the depos, If at the last minute either one puts a new demo in to discovery the other side has to be allowed time to either accept it as is or re-interview. Each side is to have their time with the same person if so deemed. That’s why Perry is so adamant about getting it done by certain dates otherwise this could drag on for another year. Also with a case this size I would hope that Besides LB there are a few others checking lists to make sure they have everything. In the in camera meeting they talked about 200k that was not yet accounted for and Strickland sealed that. I would take it that he was satisfied it was work product. In the OJ case discvery from the defense was given over, witness list, depositions so that the DA could have the time to investigate and or interview these people.
OJ
Under the rules of California’s reciprocal discovery law, both prosecution and defense were bound to disclose all information relating to witnesses they intended to call. The defense had blatantly ignored this ruling, introducing 26 separate discovery violations in an attempt to unsettle the prosecution. William Hodgman pleaded with the judge to stop what he called this “trial by ambush.” But in an example of his limp-wristed management of the case, Ito allowed Cochran to roll over the bench and continue his preamble to the jury.
However by January 30th, Judge Lance Ito had rethought his approach to this problem and reprimanded the defense for mentioning previously undisclosed potential witnesses during its opening statements. The judge said the defense had intentionally withheld from the prosecution the names of 14 new witnesses it mentioned in its statement. He said he would instruct the jury to ignore comments made about six of the witnesses. He denied a prosecution request for a 30-day delay in the trial but ruled the state could re-open its opening statement.
Source Tru TV Crime Library.
I thought I read in the Florida laws that the info of sorts was reciprical. I’ll try and look that one up again.
Forgot to mention about the copying. Perry twice now authorized money for Baez and copies. You have to understand that it does not matter who orders copies they are charged. When and where the PA needed copies their office, they were charged for them. It’s city and or state business. They have to account for all expenditures in order to get their budgets for the coming years. The PA’s office is no different than any other, it has a budget to run by and they need permission as well if they are going to exceed their budget. Naturally every year they spend all that is allowed even if they don’t need it so they are some what guaranteed the same budget the following year with the exception of hard times like where we are now.
Thanks all….
I mosied on over to Hornsby’s blog and was going to ask him about this reciprocal discovery thing but he doesn’t have any way to comment there. So I went looking for what I was going to ask him. http://www.countyjudges.com/articles/96discov.htm shows the Florida discovery rules. Within 15 days after the defendant’s “Notice of Discovery”, the state is to submit their witness list. The demand for discovery was filed by the defense on October 15 and the state’s first witness list wasn’t until November 17. Not to punctual it seems. By that time, the defense had already filed 6 motions to compel various items of discovery. Not off to a very good start. When the defense chooses to participate in discovery they too are supposed to hand over their witness list if they have one. At first they couldn’t have one, I would assume. They are under no obligation to hand over anything they don’t intend to use at trial. That is not the case for the state. They have a higher and stricter obligation, especially with anything that could be considered exculpatory. see also http://www.cobblawfirm.com/Rules_Discovery.htm Here are a couple of snippits from the first link.
A. Subpoenas are no longer necessary for law enforcement officers. The are to appear for deposition, without subpoena, upon:
1. written notice of taking of deposition;
2. delivered to the law enforcement agency or place designated location; and
3. five days prior to the deposition.
[An officer's failure to appear after notice may subject the officer to contempt. [Fla.R.Crim.P. 3.220 (h)(5)]].”
How many didn’t show that day? There is no requirement that the defendant participate in discovery. They are however, obligated to provide a list of witnesses, with addresses and phone numbers, should they plan to call any.
VI. DEFENDANT’S MANDATORY PARTICIPATION IN DISCOVERY
There is no requirement that a defendant participate in discovery. Landry v. State, 666 So.2d 121 (Fla. 1995); See, Fla.R.Crim.P. 3.220(a) (defendant may elect to participate in discovery).
XIV. CONSTRUCTIVE KNOWLEDGE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES
A. The knowledge of law enforcement agencies as to the names, addresses, and statements of all persons who have information which may be relevant to the offense charged is imputed to the state for purposes of the discovery rules. Griffin v. State, 598 So.2d 254 (Fla. 1st DCA 1992).
B. None of the rules of criminal procedure relating to discovery require the state to disclose information which is not with in the state’s actual or constructive possession. Sinclair v. State, 657 So.2d 1138 (Fla. 1995), citing, Fla.R.Crim.P. 3220(b)(1).
C. The state is charged with constructive knowledge and possession of evidence withheld by state agents, including law enforcement officers. The mere fact that the prosecutor has no actual knowledge of the existence of evidence does not relieve the state of its obligation to properly respond to the defendant’s discovery request. Tarrant v. State, 668 So.2d 223 (Fla. 4th DCA 1996).
Thank you Zub….you got mail….
I just don’t understand that last part. Constructive knowledge. In many of the police interviews, the officer states that” we talked on the phone or we talked before we came on tape here and I would just like to ask you some questions.” That part there, the part where they talked before going on tape. Do we ever get to see that conversation? It seems to me that an officer could easily ask questions off tape and then once on tape, only ask questions that make the defendant look guilty. Many times when a witness begins to elaborate, the officer interupts. It drives me nuts… also why do officers sometimes offer to correct the witness and sometimes they just let them go with it. In example, the officer that interviewed JJ had already talked to him once. JJ alluded to the body being 40 to 50 feet in and that Mort was trying to tell him it was only 15 feet in from the curb. Why did the officer not correct JJ and say, you know what JJ? Mort was right, the body was only 15 feet in from the curb. Now I would like to ask you, how deep was the water? It seemed to me that JJ was trying to get them to tell him how far the body was in. How much is discovered by the officer off tape before they go on tape?
Btw, thank you for the kind welcome…….
Good morning all. Gotta make it quick because of another long day but I wanted to say, NotThatSmart, I’ve thought the same thing to myself many times as I read or listen to interviews. It irks me when they interrupt the witness. I looked into the meaning of constructive knowledge and found this:
Definition
: knowledge (as of a condition or fact) that one using ordinary care or diligence would possess <had constructive knowledge of the presence of narcotics on his property
Constructive: That which exists, not in fact, but as a result of the operation of law. That which takes on a character as a consequence of the way it is treated by a rule or policy of law, as opposed to its actual character.
For example, constructive knowledge is notice of a fact that a person is presumed by law to have, regardless of whether he or she actually does, since such knowledge is obtainable by the exercise of reasonable care.
For example, possession of the key to a safe-deposit box is constructive possession of the contents of the box since the key gives its holder power and control over the contents.
adj. a legal fiction for treating a situation as if it were actually so. Some examples help to clarify this term: although Jeremiah Gotrocks does not have the jewelry in his possession, he has the key to the safe deposit box and the right to enter so he has "constructive possession"; although there is no written trust document, George Holder has picked up $10,000 in bearer bonds from the post office box of his niece Tess Truehart who gave him her post office box combination while she was traveling in Europe–this makes Holder her "constructive trustee."
Melich had constructive knowledge that there was another Gonzalez connected to Sawgrass during the relevant time frame that also had connections to New York. Also, anything else similar to the owner of the ZG myspace would fall under the umbrella of constructive knowledge because it is reasonable to assume that law enforcement would check out anything like this that fits the name Zenaida Gonzalez and even Dora the explorer since their investigation also revealed this was her favorite and Zenaida had Miami connections. Anythng LE should do through due diligence to carry out an investigation would define constructive knowledge, if I am understanding it correctly.
As I read the following in the Floriday rules of Criminal Proceedure, a thought came to me. The date that Melich became aware that there was a Gonzalez with access to the key to apartment 210 would likely be defined by a judge as material information within the state's possession or control that might tend to negate the guilt of the defendant. At the very least, this would eliminate the lying charges, since she could have thought Gonzalez lived at that apartment. It would also cast doubt on the child abuse charge and murder one if there is evidence she could have left her at that stairwell. Remember, the state is responsible even if Melich hadn't given them this little tidbit. As soon as practical is not 2 years later. He served the subpoena on October 7 so already had this constructive knowledge. Casey was charged with murder, what, October 15??? Woops!!!
(4) As soon as practicable after the filing of the charging document the prosecutor shall disclose to the defendant any material information within the state’s possession or control that tends to negate the guilt of the defendant as to any offense charged, regardless of whether the defendant has incurred reciprocal discovery obligations.
I named the wrong detective for the subpoena. It was John Allen. What is also missing is the document presented to the judge outlining just cause for this subpoena. Have a great day all.
Good morning everyone!
Zuben, thanks for all the information and background — it becomes more than just words when I understand a little more.
Notthatsmart–you know, I always hated that part of those LE interviews–”We talked for a while off tape.” Seems too much like guiding and leading. It must be an art for a good detective to know when to let the interviewee talk and when to ask questions.
notthatsmart, You were asking why LE talks before, then turns on a recording device. To my understanding is to form a baseline to interview by. I found some interesting reading on the subject. This is an excerpt, I’ll post the link.
‘Before the nine steps of the Reid interrogation begin, there’s an initial interview to determine guilt or innocence. During this time, the interrogator attempts to develop a rapport with the suspect, using casual conversation to create a non-threatening atmosphere. People tend to like and trust people who are like them, so the detective may claim to share some of the suspect’s interests or beliefs. If the suspect starts talking to the interrogator about harmless things, it becomes harder to stop talking (or start lying) later when the discussion turns to the crime’
.http://people.howstuffworks.com/police-interrogation.htm/printable
Hi Damagdpets,
Thanks for sharing this info. What I’ve noticed time and time again, it’s this very practice that causes mistrials. For a juror or anyone to have to fill-in the blanks during these type of interviews leaves too much to the imagination. As an example, when I listen to TL’s interview, I ‘m perplexed when the detective says “like we discussed before” or something to that nature. What’s wrong with submitting the recorded interview in it’s entirety for all the world to hear?
Thank You Zub and that is a load of information, but bottom line is that Yuri had this information and was responsible to make the State aware so they could turn the info over in discovery. I hope that happened and this is all old news and has been investigated and crossed off the list. But, why make the public wait 2 years? I am suspicious that this was information on Yuri’s hard drive that LDB just turned over recently and that the defense is just learning of this. I hope not. I would think if it was a problem, the defense would put in a motion for sanctions on the state? thoughts? JMO
Thank you Damagdpets: I figured it was some kind of steps and protocols and probably not designed originally with the Sunshine Law in mind. It still seems to give the Police Officer a lot of information that we may never see. I think it is the system that they used here. Yuri Calmly interviewed Kc at home and gave her plenty of chances to to tell what Yuri may have thought was the truth. That not working, the next day after interviewing a few other people, they took her out to Universal and intterogated her. I am sure at this point, many many times it works if the witness is guilty, but in this case about all they did was established that she lied. After Yuri and John interrogated her, and Yuri and John doing most of the talking, finally Appie takes over and goes back to calmly asking questions and allowing Kc to answer. The best question was by Appie in a calm manner was: Is Caylee in a better place?
Over on the Hinky Meter, Kleat linked an interrogation by an expert that was able to get a confession out of an Commanding Officer. I sat in awe watching it and was very impressed. I think new ideas are coming into action accross the country. Some people may need to be interrogated in different ways.
I guess its all water under the bridge now, but don’t you think if they would have handled it differently, that they could have gotten more critical information out of Kc?
notthatsmart
I like the old way…..KC’s uncle said it best when he was interviewed…about having 5 minutes alone with KC and he would find out the truth. This reminded me of growing up. My parents were strict and would deliver a swat or spanking for gross misconduct unbecoming a child! LOL…Us kids knew where we stood and there were consequences to our actions. I was not beaten senseless but you know the saying “Fear of God”? We still got in trouble but far, few and in between.
Based on what KC’s friends and family describing her tall tales for the better part of her young adult life…it does not surprise me that she lied to LE. If you think about what George said in his 1st interview with LE, it pretty much set the tone of what Cindy and KC were like and we saw some of that unfold with KC’s interview and Cindy on TV. This was probably the 1st time that she could not lie enough or manipulate someone into believing her story. This was also the 1st time there was a real consequence to one of her stories. If there was any truth to anything she said in the interviews she had…..she is the only one that knows about it. I think Cindy said it best when she claimed KC maybe a liar but she is not a murder. So I think it’s well established that KC lied….. a lot. Trial and 12 jurors will decide if she is a murderer.
You asked if LE had done it differently they would have gotten more info…..I sincerely doubt it with what we have learned about her history. Even if she would have talked more…I’m not sure it would have been truthful.
I don’t doubt that Kc lied and said and did some real stupid things, but I am looking for some kind of proof that she premeditatedly murdered Caylee in the first degree. I am not in need of a video of the killing, just something that I can grasp onto. Whats missing bothers me the most. Like blood or decomp in the trunk, just seems that what Dr V showed us was generic and common components of many many products. One hair, when even the fbi site says that the average human sheds a hundred hairs a day. I find holes in most of the evidence and find it not to be very reliable. How can this young lady be so careful but so stupid as to leave her child down the block in the most obvious place? Most of the majority opinionators just go with it, just trust Le, without question. Some of the majority opinionators actually look at what is there and want to discuss it. I would like to discuss so many things about this case with an majority opinionator that has an open mind. On most blogs I am attacked… Where does one start???????
notthatsmart
November 8, 2010 at 9:23 pm
This is one of the best sites to ask what you seeking. JB has been the best host, knowledgeable and even on looking into all aspects of this case. Zub is one of the best researchers I have found online. I came here because I am on the fence about many things having to do with this case. We are all looking for the facts regardless where they lead. I really like that there is an exchange of factual ideas and not headline fodder. On an earlier post JB gave out this website for some of the info just released.
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/november/168499/More-documents-to-be-released-in-Casey-Anthony-case
Another that list quite a bit of info; Left side of page.
http://www.wftv.com/news/25603413/detail.html
And if you have the time…at this site you can find most of the interviews, phone records, etc…of discovery released.
http://www.docstoc.com/search/casey-anthony-case?catfilter=1
I hope some of this helps in your search.
notthatsmart, you won’t be attacked here, that I assure you.
As you may have noticed, most of the people who come here to discuss this case, have the same questions and doubts that you have. Casey may have lied but this doesn’t make her a murderer. I question the so-called evidence and so far, I’m not impressed.
LE tried every trick in the book to get Casey to confess and failed. The FBI failed. I’m sure these seasoned detectives were quite shocked when she didn’t. So what does that mean? I don’t know, but maybe she didn’t do it??? Or maybe, it is an accident cover up gone bad?? I’m still sitting on the fence..
Nice to see you again,
JB
Well I have read a lot of documents about the hair found in the trunk. I have seen some thesis that have documented 60 days to the post mortem death band. Because the Fbi fell short of calling it an post mortem death band, I question it. Calling it consistent with human decomp doesn’t do much for me either. I can not find many studies on this. I would sure think that the body farm has studied this, but have not seen anything to date. A dark root at the end doesn’t tell me much. Consistent with Caylee’s hair doesn’t tell me much either since the FBI site says that identity can not be achieved through a microscope. How will this hair hold up with so few studies out there?
notthatsmart
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Morning —- if you are looking for creative analysis, alternative thought, and respect…… methinks ya came to the right place! Some of your “questions” are similar to those than many of us here have” .
Good morning all. Only have a minute but have any of you wondered why they have revealed all of this personal info from Cindy’s bank account but haven’t revealed all of Casey’s banking activity? They showed where she cashed payroll checks and a couple others, way back when she was still officially working for Universal which isn’t relevant to this case at all. But they show nothing current during 2008 other than the checks of Amy’s she cashed. They were told by TL that she was using a credit card, which might have been a debit card but they shown nothing about that at all in discovery. Surely they checked with all the banks to see if she had any accounts. Maybe she used Caylee’s account to cash checks but they don’t seem to have even looked at that account or else they are withholding that. Now, maybe they don’t think that is relevant to her murder charge but if so, why are they invading Cindy and George’s privacy this way?
NotThanSmart, like you, I have more questions than answers. I’ve been around a little, following google links, etc and I’ve seen the way you’ve been treated, quite badly. You only ask questions that need to be answered. About the hair, they didn’t describe what sign of decomp is o that hair, only that in their opinion it could have come from a deceased person. I think they said it was microscopically similar to Caylees which would lead me to believe it was finer like a child’s hair is, not thicker like Casey’s or Cindy’s would be. But, they didn’t state any comparison details so was it thinner or finer than the other family members? Did the thickness and pigment match the hair taken from the brush? They didn’t say. So many questions that won’t likely be answered until the defense either submits their expert’s report through discovery or asks them at trial. It’s been a while since I read the hair report. I’ll have to track that back down when I have time.
Have a great day all. We’re having a heat wave and the sun is shining.
Wish WE were having a heat wave ……. it’s a bit chilly but sunny here…..
Casey and a checking account? I would tend to believe she didn’t have one in 2008. She obviously had no income and from the looks of things she could have been using a credit card of Cindy’s. They did find the JCPenney card when she came home and in George’s interviews he stated that he gave KC cash. So it does not seem reasonable that she would have a checking account.
Although I don’t agree with showing Cindy’s transactions….The checks that Casey forged will probably be used to show her character flaws. I also thought about Cindy finding out about the checks and not doing anything about it. That assumption could be used to show complicity on Cindy’s part, to allow criminal activity.
These are all little building blocks in the prosecution’s case. jmo
Just checking in to say hello. I tripped over some discarded tomato cages & fell, feeling very sore and stupid, so I can’t sit up long, but there’s so much good stuff to read!
Notthatsmart–I thought the exact same thing about Deputy Wells’ interview. In a later interview with George, LE came right out and told him they thought KC would break during that Universal incident, and asked him what it would take for her to break down and tell what she knows. Deputy Appling Wells has a very human, comforting way about him. I think if someone was going to tell something, it would be to him. It’s a huge contrast with Yuri and Det. Allen’s bullying and lecturing. I know they were probably at wit’s end, but especially Det. Allen’s ranting wouldn’t exactly inspire confidence.
Talking about Cindys accounts, they may have been released and may be used in the trial. Did she say in her state depo that Casey “borrowed “money once and awhile. I think this will be used to show how far Cindy is going to protect Casey and they can show in her state depo how she down-played the stealing. It also goes to how Casey was able to get money and things without working. I have not noticed any where there is a check made out to the nanny. Like you damagdpets I do not think Casey had a checking account I am sure it would have been released also. Cindy also had other credit cards Casey used.I have heard that people will go buy things then take them back later for cash, maybe she did some of this.
Been busy..but going to comment on a few posts..
Damagd…. I guess I feel pretty fortunate in the way of my childhood and young
adult life. I made mistakes..I by far was not a perfect child..However, my parents
did not believe in spankings. I also raised mine the same way. So I disagree with
your logic. Also, having said that, I don’t know that Casey was not spanked, beaten,
molested, verbally abused, …I mean come on..we REALLY don’t know..do we??
As far as her uncle, I don’t have much respect for the way he came off period.
Her friends..a number of them have many contradictions. Her child hood friend
Kio who took LE to the area where they buried pets…has had her share of lies..but
was one of the first to turn on Casey. I do not look at her friends as being so honest.
As far as George and Cindy’s reactions..I could not have stated better than JB about
the mail;
You may be surprised to know but I agree with Cindy. There really is no need for anyone other than LE or the Gods that Be to read personal mail that comes stamped from the United States Post Office. As for Cindy complaining about it, that is her Right, this is America.
As far as anything else they have done…Well, I think you were the one whom said you
had raised good children, both with careers..morals and raising a good family? That implies
to me, that you may be a little sheltered fortunately. I have in life found, many times, when I have reacted quite differently..and maybe quite out of character due to circumstances in place that I had never experienced. I can look back on some and without hesitation, realize that as much as we like to think we are in control and know exactly WHAT WE WOULD DO..We are not always..Imagine for a moment..would you be able to rationally, logically, and
in complete control do all those things you expect of the A’s??? Or would your heart and gut do elsewise..would your fear and your anger guide you..Are you really so sure?
If Cindy choked Casey, if George molested Casey, If Casey was abused in ANY way..that is
wrong. But as far as anything else..I know I would stand firm in my shoes about all until
proven elsewise! I do not find ANY fault with ANY of the A’s including Lee for their actions
surrounding this horrific set of circumstances. And frankly, I’m over rehashing it.
Diane — anything is possible … the nanny could have been paid in cash… and Cindy, as Casey’s mother would indeed do what she could to protect her daughter … mothers do that …..
snoop
November 9, 2010 at 6:05 pm
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again snoop…… you’re making lots of sense ….
snoop
November 9, 2010 at 6:05 pm
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again snoop…… you’re making lots of sense …. thanks–
Snoop, for sake of argument, I would not know what was going through George and Cindy’s minds…I have never been in their position. I cannot assume to know why they chose the path they did. In the 20 years I have followed murder cases, I have never seen anything like these people. The only expectation I have is for truth. If you have a chance please read the new post at HinkyMeter. It gives a little insight in truth and it’s factual. I do find lying to LE a fault and do believe it’s a crime in most states.
Diane, I understand now that Cindy said KC did not have a checking account. There is compiled info now that shows what KC did with Cindy’s money. It astounds me that Cindy new it was going on but covered for KC for a long time. We are not talking about 50 cents on the counter or a dollar bill….we are talking thousands.
D, Casey had used Amscot to cash checks because she didn’t have a bank account, most likely. But their records didn’t show her cashing the checks from Cindy’s account made out to her. I know of one store that will cash payroll checks for a fee, but not personal checks.Only places like Amscot or a bank where she has an account would cash them. I was told that the government demands that there be a record of the check being run through an account held by the person cashing the check so people can’t hide income. They create a deposit and then a withdrawal transaction. If she didn’t have an account anywhere then where ever Caylee’s account was, would be the likely place, other than Amscot, since she was listed on that account. Perhaps she used another Amscot location. But, BOA allowed her to cash a check to her so she must have right to cash checks there. I think that is because Caylee’s account is there, if she doesn’t have one. Now, if banks operate differently in Florida than where I am, ignore what I am saying, but that is the way they operate here. I first found this out when a nephew wanted to cash his first paycheck. Even the bank it was written off wouldn’t cash it.
The subpoena that produced these statements and check copies from BOA only had Cindy, George and Cindy’s parents on it, nothing mentioning Casey or Caylee accounts. Strange, don’t you think? Another thing I noticed is that Casey put her phone number and drivers license on most of those checks.She wasn’t trying very hard to be a criminal. I think she had Cindy’s permission. It isn’t a crime to write a check if someone gives you permission. I’ve given and received permission to do the same. Usually, I would sign it for them and let them fill it out. But if I wanted someone to do that very often I’d just let them take a book, as long as they told me each time so I could enter it in my bookkeeping software. But even if she didn’t, she never confiscated the book of checks after finding out the first month. I noticed the memo on one check said camping, in February. Maybe she was setting up a family camping trip, who knows.
I hadn’t read Cindy’s July letter to Casey until now. She said they are “purposefully leaving out statements or evidence”. I can’t begin to imagine how I would react if I were in there shoes. I do know that what we have been privy to is only part of the story. When, in any other case, has so much of anyone’s personal life been displayed this way. Is there any other accused’s family that has had cameras shoved up there you know whats this much? Maybe there are more than we would think that would come off the same way if they were treated the same. People react and when we do, it isn’t usually our best side.
Myrrh, take care of yourself. Ouch!
Hi everyone,
Good comments. As for Casey having a checking account? I’m not sure yet. I’m thinking about LE’s lame sting operation using Tony to trap Lee. I clearly remember Lee asking about an unknown account Casey may have used. I can’t remember all of the details but there was mention of one. IIRC, LE asked all of Casey’s friends if she used a credit card and they all agreed she did “often”. Remember we’re only seeing Cindy’s checks, so it’s possible that this was Cindy’s bank card too or NOT.
On another note, I wonder if the Defense completed deposing Kronk today as scheduled. I believe Mr. K will have some splaining to do. That little kidnapping charge that went to a grand jury that he had expunged in 1992 may come back to haunt him. Just because it was expunged doesn’t mean it went away. In a case of a felony murder, everything comes into play.
Hi D. and Zuben,
I noticed the same thing. Even on Amy’s checks, she signed her own name. I don’t think she was trying to hide anything really. The ones written in December to Target and Walgreens were probably holiday gifts, imo.
But Really?? What are the jurors suppose to ascertain from these checks? That Casey spent Cindy’s money? This isn’t a news flash. Cindy and Shirley’s emails have been out for sometime. I just wonder how the State intends on using this information. I don’t see Casey as a thief even though I’ve read on blogs that she’s a convicted felon for writing checking on Amy H’s account. I don’t think she was planning on hiding it. She signed her name on one of them, right?
JB I do no know how some banks operate but my mother is 83 and the bank told me I would be prosecuted if I signed any checks for her that it was a criminal offense unless I was a signature on her account, so I had to go through the process to sign her checks.Have to sign my name not hers.
Zub, On my side of the pond if I were to have an account at BOA and I wrote you a check…you could go to any BOA and cash that check as long as you had ID. The worries of washing income…I don’t think comes in unless the check is over $10,999.00. If I am not mistaken this is how much a relative can gift one with out the receiver paying taxes. I believe that’s the magic number that sets things off. Kinda like certain words on the net that refer to terrorism.
JB, I’m heading back to look at those checks because I thought KC signed Cindy’s name at the bottom. I also think the state will use this to show KC’s character in deceit and manipulation…jmo…based on other cases. I am thinking that because there is no smoking gun…the little pieces make a big picture.
I think its pretty common and accepted at stores. Mom sends child to the store to pick things up and has her write a check. Happens everday in america and very seldom questioned especially when mom spends a lot of money in that store. I really don’t see how this can be used, its all in the family and blood is thicker than water. What could the state possibly be thinking trying to establish that Kc stole from her parents? What would she be stealing for? Diapers? bra’s? clothes shoes? Many mothers are honored to buy these things for their children. It doesn’t stop at 18. I mean how much cash did Kc actually need if the A’s were doing all the providing anyway. I guess she could be stealing gas money and cell phone bill money, but thats all in the family, Its a personal family problem and probably no ones business. I think the state could be making a mistake here unless there is a particular purchase that points to premeditated murder. I not that the check written on June 16th to Walmart, was not written to the Cassleberry Walmart. IMO
I went back and looked, KC signed her mothers name regardless who it was to. The way both of them write is too easy to tell apart…..another tidbit….KC put her cell number next to her mom’s name. Think she might expect a call?
I also wonder if this is the reason that Target was Kc’s store choice. Target often took checks from her. I see this as a family tradition, whats mine is yours. Mothers have been buying their daughters clothes for years. The store itself is going to be happy as long as the checks keep going through. The bank will be happy as well. Perhaps it got out of hand at some point, or the economy changed and Cindy started watching it more closely. Ga being out of work, gas going up to 4 dollars a gallon and it did not look like Cindy was running a large balance anyway. I suppose the state wants to establish that Cindy started controlling the spending and that gave Kc motive to kill Caylee. I just can’t see it as a motive for premeditated murder. IMO
notthatsmart..WELCOME…You seem pretty smart to me! It is nice to have another “out
of the box” thinker here. Someone who is quite able to evaluate and question,
the information we
have thus far..as being enough.. to adjudicate guilt… with a DP sentence at that!
That was a great catch about the tape! I also agree with the interrogation procedures
remark..question. The audios and transcripts seem rehearsed..guided..misguided.
Myrr ..hope you’re feeling better! Yes, Wells would have been the one I think to get
any info..Casey felt very trusting of him it seems. He also was the one who dealt
with Kio, Casey’s friend who sold out to the enquirer. Interesting, the last time I
listened to her conversation’s with Wells. She stated that Casey had called her and
asked to borrow money..that she was in a tight spot. Kio had just seen Casey of
recent and said if you ever need anything. But after Well’s tried SEVERAL times to
reach Kio back unsuccessfully..upon doing so Kio said oh yeah, it wasn’t Casey who
called asking for $$ it was another friend Casey Williams. Casey Williams is a black
friend..It seems Kio would have been able possibly to tell the difference between her
Caucasian friend Casey Anthony?
I think Casey was and is maintaining her innocence. The information that she had
in regards, may have been given, but I think Baez put a stop to that. He may have
forseen danger in protecting her innocence by revealing? JMO
Hazake..Strong One..I hope you have a quick recovery!!!! I agree about the Zenaida
civil case. And still having some questions about her and her boyfriend.. But indeed,
they did state it was not her. Morgan is a definite big time attorney here! His name and picture is on front and back of the telephone books..his face is plastered up and down
the interstates here on billboards..radio..tv..everywhere. I think it is outrageous that
he thought he was going to break the case..and could even legally go to the lengths he did.
It should have never been a suit IMO. I know someone who wrote him in regards to that
topic…He thought they were Cindy hee hee.
You never know what could come out of it though. I my self would love to proven that
he barked up the wrong tree. I have aquaintances who have had some bad dealings with.
It is a shame too. They needed the $$ much more than he did! I won’t go in to details..but
was QUITE sad!!!
JB &Zub…some good info as always!!! Ok, So WTH is up with JG. Why did it just stop
there.
Is it really all coincidental?
Macklins letter to the Human Resources dated 5/21/08 says
he currently lives at Signal Pointe but lease will be up 5/30/08 & will be residing here
thereafter. Signal pointe address is 2500 Howell Branch Road
Winter Park, FL 32792
On the aimco form he has 2350 Nautical way Apt#210
My confusion was Signal Pointe apt 2500 Howell branch the Nautical way threw me
off from the Signal pointe. But there are 2 addresses for the apartments..the other is 2101 seaport.
Looking at google earth I could then see Nautical way as the street inside..the buildings
and numbers. I also found listed in a winter park listing website..a Alvaro Gonzalez also
at 2350 Nautical way..however no apt #.
Upon searching Alvaro Gonzalez I found also a brackenwood dr address. But I had about 25
tabs open and lost a couple..now I can’t find it again. Strange though
It all just seems too much for coincidence IMO. As you said their are so many names of the
same..which makes it so difficult. I have found some info in Huntington station ,NY. But nothing substantial as of yet.
Have a good night all
Well I started my last post before the check topic came in. I was researching in between.
What has always baffled me is WHY did Casey sign her own name on Amy’s checks? She might
be a bad criminal… but she’s intelligent enough to know the risk was there.
There are only a few reasons that even had possibility..she had permission of the account..we know thats not true.
She thought if she signed her name Amy could retrieve somehow through the fault
of whoever was accepting the check..and the bank?
Or..she wanted to get caught for some reason?
As far as the checks etc involving Cindy..I do not see that as being anything substantial.
Jb did I lose a post?
Lol, welcome to the new real world. Your kids cell phone bill runs around 200 and if you want to keep in touch, your going to help. I am guilty as charged and I paid for about 4 years and it was painful, but I didn’t hesitate to call. lol I like that new choice and the cost was a reality that I was willing to accept. IMO
Jb..sorry I see it LOL I’m too tired I guess.
Hi Everyone,
Just got home and wanted to check in before going to bed. Good stuff. It’s nice when we’re all on the same page. I think most of us agree, JMG is mysterious…and Snoop’s mention of John Morgan & ZG’s nefarious lawsuit which was THE deciding factor for me, “the State is pathetically desperate” They have Nothing. I laughed most the way thru his deposition with the Ants because none of it had anything to do with his client ZCG or her loss of wages. it was one big fishing expedition to gain information to use against Casey. The Ants knew this and I would hope the rest of the World knew too but amazingly the blogs were beaming with pride how Morgan was slamming the Ants. NOT. It was one big joke.
Snoop, thanks for the clarification on JMG’s addresses. So Nautical Way is inside Signal Pointe? Please correct me if I’m wrong…TY And..in your journey you find an Alvaro Gonzalez who is connected to brackenwood?? Oh my..Can this get anymore complicated?
I hope Yuri thorougly checked this guy out…I mean he’s known of this JMG for over 2 years, he should know him well.
Snoop, with you in FL, it’s like you are our Local P. I.
I appreciate your contribution. TY
Damag..I think you missed the point.
As far as the Hinky Meter..not interested..that is why
I am here.
Cindy is not on trial..Casey is not on trial for lying..or stealing..The fact is she
is facing premeditated murder charges and her life is at stake. Her lying and stealing..is not murder.
You have never in 20 years of murder cases seen people like this. Neither have I. I am appalled
at the anger..hatred.. prejudicial..exploitation..from bloggers..media..people on the streets..commentators..journalists.. It is down right scary..It is scary to think that this
girl was adjudicated by all from day 1. It may be one thing for LE..even that is scary. But
for the general public..before the facts were even known at that. And we don’t even know
all the facts yet today.
What rights are all of these people willing to toss out the window? Where is humanity in
all? WTH you say these people as in the A’s..I say, what about the people ..with little proof, other than lying and stealing..partying and sleeping with different men..a bit of circumstantial evidence chock full of holes thus
far… as premeditated murder with a DP sentence???? I have not seen ANY evidence that
even remotely qualifies the death penalty. And like you..in many years of murder trials..investigating..I have yet to see a case with such little evidence…
that had the DP attached..!!!!!!!!!!!!
These are some recent Florida cases and sentencing of mothers killing their children..
The 1st one got 7yrs for starving one of her 2 yr old twins to death..the other one survived.
And these are just a few. But of course..no one knows these people..nor have they read their
mail..or heard or seen their jailhouse visits..or what they ordered from the commisary..There
may be a couple comments after the article..maybe..
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-10-27/news/os-lauren-gress-sentencing-20101027_1_lauren-gress-child-neglect-circuit-judge-tim-shea
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-10-27/news/os-bra-strangle-mom-competent-20101027_1_young-casselberry-mother-nioshka-bello-strangling
http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/80445567.html?storySection=story
So you have your opinion and I have mine..Cindy lying about money..or what Casey
stole or did not steal..or a 911 call that was probable she was in a state of shock while
in the process..or whatever she has said or done.. that was her grand baby and her daughter.
I can’t say I would do anything different..Because I don’t know. I may not be in total
agreement with all the past..but I don’t know that either. But to protect..I know that I would.
notthatsmart..LOL same here..only thing is the price jacked up a little with having to
replace a phone or two. But you know what..1200 miles away..I get to keep in touch..worth
it to me!
myrrh??
Oh gee…You fell over tomato cages?? Ouch, that sounds painful. Did you scratch up your legs up too? I’m so sorry to hear about your fall. I hope you’re okay Dear.
I fell the other day in my front yard. I stepped on a Magnolia tree cone. Those things are a mess. I’m not sure of what they call them, it’s the core of the magnola flower. They’re about the size of a pine cone and they roll when you step on them. So here I am carrying in 3 bags of groceries, step on one, lost my balance and rolled on my ankle.
It was probably funny to watch with all of the groceries scattered on the ground, but I hurt for a couple of days. Please take it easy and I hope you have a speedy & full recovery.
BTW, do you know what happened to Hazaka??
BTW notthatsmart..You said the KEY words..THE REAL WORLD..Because ouside of the
4walls of your home..your family..your world..it exists! I find it so difficult to understand
that in 2010…that there are so many people who would convict Casey alone on her moral
standards. A young single mother..who her friends mostly agreed was a good mother..didn’t do drugs..had Caylee in safe hands (until of recent..) would not have Caylee exposed to drugs..etc..And this is 2010 mind you. I am talking 40yrs ago it became acceptable for
women to have more than one boyfriend. I mean WTH..if this was a man..how would they
pin him? Lying and stealing? Because..as I see the mediocre evidence this far..I just don’t
see the evidence as being premeditated murder and DP.
snoop said
November 10, 2010 at 1:35 am
snipped:
Cindy is not on trial..Casey is not on trial for lying..or stealing..The fact is she
is facing premeditated murder charges and her life is at stake. Her lying and stealing..is not murder.
You have never in 20 years of murder cases seen people like this. Neither have I. I am appalled
at the anger..hatred.. prejudicial..exploitation..from bloggers..media..people on the streets..commentators..journalists.. It is down right scary..It is scary to think that this
girl was adjudicated by all from day 1. It may be one thing for LE..even that is scary. But
for the general public..before the facts were even known at that. And we don’t even know
all the facts yet today.
What rights are all of these people willing to toss out the window? Where is humanity in
all? WTH you say these people as in the A’s..I say, what about the people ..with little proof, other than lying and stealing..partying and sleeping with different men..a bit of circumstantial evidence chock full of holes thus
far… as premeditated murder with a DP sentence???? I have not seen ANY evidence that
even remotely qualifies the death penalty. And like you..in many years of murder trials..investigating..I have yet to see a case with such little evidence…
that had the DP attached..!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Perfectly stated, I concur!! It’s refreshing to me to know, we’re not alone. I must say Damagdpets is one of the few who does look at both sides, I admit. Even though, he’s not in full agreement with us, he’s a fairly objective person, IMO. Not at all, like many I’ve run across.
Jb says: snipped….
Damagdpets is one of the few who does look at both sides, I admit. Even though, he’s not in full agreement with us, he’s a fairly objective person, IMO. Not at all, like many I’ve run across
And I also concur ..I think all here have something to offer..And I think its ok to agree to
disagree on some issues..But that is what is great JB at “your place” it is not like the other
blogs. And the people that are here are here for that reason. It has become a very valuable
site JB. Think we should send a link to BAEZ LOL
Thanks Snoop,
haha..bout sending Baez the link?? hmm..that might be a little too much like another blogger who tries to insert himself in this case. Not my style although I do have an inkling that they’ve visited here before. Just a hunch..
Howdy y’all ….. wow — interesting posting the past day and night…thanks all for insight! Myrrh … how r u feeling??????
Does anyone know if the F. B. I. documents that was released to JB have been released yet?
Good morning all. Busy place after I shut down for the night. I appreciate all of your thoughts and observations.
Snoop, thanks for the links. Gress was defended by Hornsby and an appeal is expected. She was only sentenced to 7 yrs because the jury went with neglect instead of aggravated manslaughter that the state hoped for.
I hope JWG will forgive me if he really has nothing to do with this but I think that LE opened the door to more curiosity by not clearing him in this discovery release. I did some more searching and found Alvaro, age 55, listed as being related to him here: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:gb6ooNHRILUJ:www.mylife.com/c-963132911+Alvaro+Gonzalez+winter+park,+fl&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a This is a cache version because you have to have membership to see things there. Not so with the cache version. I found the same address listing you did matching this person’s to Juan’s former address here: http://www.pagelink.com/list/US/FL/Winter_Park/alarm When I search the phone number listed with white pages, though, it comes up unlisted. I wonder how pagelink gets access to unpublished numbers. Maybe it was recently made private. I think there is a pretty good chance these two are related or else another huge coincidence. But, what I found interesting is that this address is also listed on that page as DMS Delivery & Moving services. Sunbiz shows no such listing so it wasn’t registered under that name.
I also found another business listed for the same Nautical Way address, Jalopy Enterprises. http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=kiV&rlz=1R1GGGL_enUS354US338&psj=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=2350+nautical+way,+winter+park,+fl&fb=1&gl=us&hnear=Northview,+MI&cid=18186093779803937709 catagory, IT consultant. But following the leads brings me to a Spanish speaking bilingual man not with the same name. He sounds a lot like TL, graduating from the same school in the same general field. Quite interesting. Perhaps it was a roommate of JMG or perhaps he moved into the same building at a different time.
JB, Casey signed Cindy’s name on all of Cindy’s checks. Damagdpets, you have me curious now, if my state is the only like this. I know they will let anyone deposit into an account but they won’t cash a check without running it through an account with the person’s name on it. The only way Casey would be putting her phone number next to Cindy’s name, thinking it would divert a call to Cindy, is if she expected the check to bounce. But, she surely knows that BOA will automatically send notice in the mail. Cindy could also have alerts set up through online banking to alert her to a chosen low balance warning. I mostly use debit card now but know that every store I ever wrote a check at insisted on both the phone number and driver’s license number on the check. Many include at least the phone number when they have their checks printed. So Casey was following standard procedure. She just as easily could have put the home phone number there instead of her cell if she wanted to pretend she was Cindy. A real thief wouldn’t put their own id on the check. They would steal the debit card or order online with the account info. So many are convinced she had fake ID. If so, she would have used that instead. Now, it might be that she had permission to write checks but then the finances got out of control and Cindy had to put a stop to it. The checks stop in March. I suspect this is when she found out about the credit card being maxed out and late fees being added on so she proably took control of Casey’s spending from her funds. The credit card was stealing because she didn’t have permission before hand. And it doesn’t look like Cindy reported it, preferring to handle it between her and Casey. I see some deposits that are not Cindy’s payroll or likely tax refunds. Maybe George was putting money in the account or could Casey have deposited money to cover her phone bills? I don’t recall anyone asking Cindy if Casey made any effort to pay any of that balance off. But I guess I’m not surprised. They wanted to show her as a thief, nothing else. I don’t even recall anyone asking Cindy if Casey ever used her debit card with her permission or if she had permission to pay anything on line with her bank information. Instead they asked more vague questions. I’m sure that Casey stole and used her credit card account but believe the evidence supports her using her BOA checking/savings account with her permission, unless they ask her and she states otherwise. She said Casey stole a whole lot of money from her. $4500 is a whole lot of money to me. Maybe it is to Cindy too.
I can’t make sense out of all these statements easily without printing them out but I see a money market savings, and the bank account that have some similar transactions.. When one of Casey’s ATT bounced, I see some deposit activity but it looks like they ran it through, a total of 3 times, same amount. This is shown on page 22899 in the “total other subtractions”, 3 entries for Casey’s June ATT bill for $377.33. They returned the extra two payments and the fees for bouncing the transactions. Perhaps this was a bank error not a true overdraft, otherwise they would never refund the money like that.
Speaking of phone bills, I don’t think I’ve read any mention of the fact that Casey’s phone bills show a contact number that is not her own or her home number. It is 407-281-0646 which is an unpublished land line through Bellsouth in Alafaya, FL. So whose number is this and why isn’t LE interested? Wasn’t Dominic Casey watching a house over that way? Something seems very familiar about that direction. Oh, Oh, Oh, now I see. I pulled up Google Earth with all my markers and see that it is the area of Fusion, Rusciano and there is even an address I found for V Fernandez there. It’s on the NE edge of town. So, who owns this unpublished phone? Did Casey live with someone when she got this phone? More questions, it seems.
KC had one of Cindy’s debit/credit card. It’s possible she could have used that for ID purposes. One of the other things I noticed is that the amounts of the checks where not very large. Big retailers will often set thresholds on checks to let them go through. The other thing I thought about is that big retailers used companies like “checkrite”, where they would scan a check’s info and would get an accept or deny. The account only needed to have money in it and the retailer would accept small check amounts with no ID. This transaction has pretty much become a thing of the past since the debit card.
Hi All..Yes Zub, I had that Jalopy enterprises as well. But didn ‘t catch the DMS delivery &moving. Interesting.
Yes, I do have a feeling they are related. I find so highly coincidental that his apt#
was 210..Gonzalez name..worked at sawgrass..As well as the lawsuit ZG @sawgrass.
Just all so bizzare! ZG sawgrass said she has a brother here..Wish I knew more. I mean
even so she or they are cleared..was, is there connections?
I also through the journey found a link to Miami for Alvaro R Gonzalez http://www.aviasupport.com/
But at this point have no way of know
ing the middle initial. I looked for the link for
the brackenwood..but haven’t tracked down. I had about 30 tabs open LOL and it
was to the point to open anything else I had to close a couple..so it just became
a mess! Sure you can relate.
Hi everyone — thanks so much for all the well wishes. I’m doing much better! I know exactly those pesky magnolia seed pods, JB!
The thing that intrigues me about Casey’s last few months of check writing is that it seems so fatalistic. She knew Amy H would be back on July 15th, and she knew her mother would be getting her bank statement. Did she think she would be somewhere else or have some money by then, or did she think it wouldn’t matter because something was going to happen? It seems like the behavior of someone completely at the end of her rope and no one to confide in.
Zuben, I wondered if she was paying someone else’s phone bill–It did look that way.
Have a great afternoon.
BOA here in Fl does allow a BOA personal check to be cashed with ID and thumbprint only..you do not need an account.
But other banks request 2 forms of ID being a credit card..debit card..with” your” name as well
as Drivers License or Fl ID card.
Snoop, go to your history and you should find every place you visited that day. I didn’t run across Brakenwood so I’d be interested to see where you found it. Thanks for the info on check cashing there. Good to know. I guess my state must have lots of thieves or tax evaders.
Now, that leads me to another question. What was her 2nd form of id, if she had one? Maybe she was an authorized user on the credit card? They get a card of their own but are not on the statements or legally liable.
Myrrh, the ATT bill first shown paid is over 800, and bounced, Dec, 07. That is huge but it shows her name. If it was someone elses then it was under her name. But I’ve tried to understand how her bill could be so high. I still want to know who’s phone number that is. I checked to see where George lived when they were separated and it is the wrong direction for where he relocated to. So it is someone else. She barely dated Rusciano so it isn’t likely him. Besides, she has had the account since July 20; 2004. she wasn’t even expecting Caylee yet. Jesse is over that way. what do you think? Was she involved with him by that time? I don’t think she was yet, was she? She was fresh out of high school, 18 years old.
Damagdpets, It looks like Casey’s driver’s license on the checks but I’ll have to go back and find her DL to be sure. It is a license, not a card number. While I don’t think that this is key to whether or not Casey killed Caylee, I would like to know more about Cindy’s way of handling her money and how she shared with Casey. It’s quite posible if Casey wasn’t raised with boundaries she may not understand acceptable behavior with other people’s money. If its there with your loved ones, its free to take, sort of mentality.
Perhaps that number 0646 was the black jack? I remember reading this number early on in the docs over a year ago because the 0646 is the same as a friend of mine, so we joked about it. Are we sure its a land line? Maybe Jessies parents house? A work number? Mt Dora?
Zub, yes..I use Google Chrome Browser so makes history and bookmarks that much better..Love it..very fast! But will need to go through it. I had at least 25-30 tabs going
and jumping all over the place..I was searching the Gonzalez’s Which brought up Da Silva and then to Benevides LOL…so its not going to just say see here Brackenwood. I started
looking earlier and ended it up with Sandra DaSilva.. My Space LOL..
I will earnestly look hear tonite..I just get sidetracked. LOL
I have not went over Casey’s phone bill docs. But I know I have had a couple very high
bills due to equipment purchases. I have Sprint..and if you want ..need..a new phone
it can be put on the bill. No problem.
I agree with notthatsmart..I remember that phone # have to look for.
Zuben says:::It’s quite posible if Casey wasn’t raised with boundaries she may not understand acceptable behavior with other people’s money. If its there with your loved ones, its free to take, sort of mentality.
I believe that to be the case exactly!
Zuben , if she cashed at the banks that require second form of ID..she would have to
have a debit/credit card in her name. Was the check made out to her I guess?
Zuben..I was sure I knew of that phone # from somewhere..but I can’t find it anywhere?
I did find this for that number however..
Beyond The Gates Catering
PO Box 780936, Orlando, FL 32878-0936
p: 407 281 0646
http://www.beyondthegatescatering.com
http://www.hotfrog.com/Companies/Beyond-The-Gates-Catering
Beyond the Gates Catering
(407) 281-0646
This independently owned catering company is designed especially for businesses and families, and also offers a personal chef service. Menu offerings include box lunches, soups, appetizers, desserts, and a healthy menu for any dieters in the crowd. Local orders within a 10 mile radius can enjoy free delivery, and anything beyond that is just $15.
LOL ………..which leads to this my space address and he is VP of the Company?
http://www.myspace.com/djjimmyjamzofficial
He is owner for a popular radio station here in Fl 102 jamz
Also senior DJ and programmer for the BET Soundstage in Pleasure Island @ Walt Disney World, which is a nightclub at Disney.
Also another Jimmy Jamz site hiring for the catering. This is 2007..I would imagine he has had this number for some time as he is a pretty stable businessman. However, if Casey has been with ATT since 04 I guess that was probably a contact # she originally gave them?
1/30/2007
Band Website heavenlyinfo.com
Band Members Wanted: On call Independent contractors with 2 years experience in the catering field. Must have a valid State of Florida foodhandler card. Send resume’ along with cover letter to: Beyond The Gates Catering P.O. Box 780936 Orlando, FL 32878-0936
http://www.myspace.com/heavenlycommunicationsmagazine
Pearlfection Inc
Orlando,FL
Killeen,TX
OWNERS:
Jacqueline Bozzuto
Michael A Doherty
Associated Business:
All American Swing Stage Inc
Beyond The Gates Catering Inc
Bond Events Corporation
Hi all..Who is Thomas Blackburn who was on Casey’s call log? I forgot about
him and while looking for the mystery contact number I seen him again. I know
I had researched but who knows what I may have came across. I’m sure its been
lost in the mix LOL..I have some organized in bookmarks..some in docs..some on
paper..and some on a usb flash I can plug in anywhere..LMAO
As you can see I finally after several weeks have a minute to breathe! So if you see
numerous posts after all this time ..don’t be suprised LOL
Yes, white pages says it is an unpublished land line so can’t be the blackjack. Some search results say it is orlando but when I searched just the 1st 6 numbers for exchange info, it shows alafaya, union park, Fl, Bellsouth. I’m not sure of the boundaries but I assume it is like a suburb of Orlando. R Grund lives SW, not NE but maybe they used to live over there. Still, I didn’t think she knew them until she was pregnant. Of course, it is possible that the number is now with a different owner. That was quite a while ago.
OMG you won’t believe this. Snoop we were coming up with one same name tonight. But I come up with different owners. How about an event planner owning this number. I swear this didn’t show in Google earlier when I search but I probably didn’t see it because white pages said unpublished and I didn’t look further.
Beyond the Gates Catering
(407) 281-0646
This independently owned catering company is designed especially for businesses and families, and also offers a personal chef service. Menu offerings include box lunches, soups, appetizers, desserts, and a healthy menu for any dieters in the crowd. Local orders within a 10 mile radius can enjoy free delivery, and anything beyond that is just $15.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/486139/where_to_find_a_great_catering_company.html
It’s also advertises for weddings and church events. But get this, a personal chef service ad too. They go to your home. http://www.hotfrog.com/Products/Personal-Chef-Service/FL
Behyond the Gates Catering http://www.hotfrog.com/Products/Church-Events/FL
Beyond The Gates Catering
PO Box 780936, Orlando, FL 32878-0936
p: 407 281 0646
The website returns an error but it looks like it is in the redemption period http://www.cqcounter.com/whois/ It was registered Sept. of 2007. The registrar, names4life, is in Ft. Lauderdale. The server names for beyondthegatescatering end with 2Tomy. Sound a little like Thomas Franck or Frank Thomas???
This PO box is the same one used for this Christian ministry magazine. http://www.heavenlyinfo.org/about.html
Heavenly Communications Inc
4072735074
PO Box 780936, Orlando
Heavenly Communications Inc. is a Christian internet magazine that is spreading the word of God by any positive means necessary.
The disclaimer is quite interesting.
“Disclaimer
Any products received from Heavenly Communications, Inc. can not be returned for exchange, traded or resale, nor are products guaranteed. Any free Bibles, books or music given away is the sole discretion of Heavenly Communications, Inc.
Heavenly Communication, Inc. is not responsible for any purchases, viruses, or material from this website or other links.
Any statements, sermon or material audio or video that appear in this magazine may not necessarily be the thoughts or expressions of Heavenly Communications, Inc.”
JB, the editors page shows last name Davidson. Here is corporationwiki’s scoop on their holdings. http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/Orlando/beyond-the-gates-catering-inc-6053383.aspx Her and her husband own these companies and Dead To Flesh Records.http://www.myspace.com/dead2fleshrecords Yes they are in Orange county. They also own Diabetes Foot check, founded December 18, 2008. I half expected to See R Grund’s name there but it isn’t. There are some other names attached to these businesses though.
Ok, I’m going crosseyed from all this. Night all.
I just had to give a quick summary.
Dead to Flesh Records, Diabetes Foot Check, Beyond the Gates Catering.
Here it is Zub..
Alvaro Gonzalez Male | 50s
Brackenwood Dr
Orlando, Florida 32829 show full address
Household: Dagoberto Gonzalez, Karina Gonzalez, Maria Gonzalez, Mauricio Gonzalez, Nemesis P Gonzalez
(407) 281-8936
http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=alvaro%20gonzalez%20Orlando,%20FL#:776536377
This was the spokeo link to the address
Good Evening Everyone,
I’ve been so bogged down with errands today. My youngest brother is getting married Saturday, so I’m helping out with the small last minute details. Whew..I’m sooo exhausted.
Wow!! Lots of good information here. Just glancing thru them, it’s like we’ve come across some of these names before and now they are appearing again. It’s hard to ignore all the co-inky-dinkys and connections. It’s like opening up one door and it leads you to another.. Can’t wait to catch up with you guys.
BTW Zuben & Snoop, I just released your comments from moderation. Sorry bout that.
gnite..
Zub, yes was thinking the same thing about Events owner. I went there through the hotfrog link I think..Guess forgot to post that link. Wow…different owners..hmmmmmmmmm
Snoop,
Went looking for Thomas Blackburn, found this site.
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=424900
First thought: Nice map and timeline.
June 27th
n/a~8:33 pm Thomas Blackburn (3way?) 9 sec
Congrats JB — my daughter is getting married in a few months … so … things are picking up for me! But… only good things for all!
JB, I see some corrections that would need to be made in the phone info there. I’m not sure how they are guessing there is a 3 way call going on but the number they have listed as Thomas Blackburn at 8:33 pm is 407-242-7686. When I searched it, multiple sites came up saying it is a back door to Cingular voice mail. I’ve always wonderd about all these calls to this number because you can see when she wants to pick up a voice mail she simply dials herself. You can see it is voicemail because the very next entry is the same exact time, to the second and that shows who the message was from. So, why is she using a back door? When I was first checking all this out, I found out that hackers use these types of tools to access someone’s voice mail, learn about them and their friends, then can send texts impersonating the friend. I think I shared some of what I found in this area in what I emailed you. If it hasn’t already been posted in that first 2 sections then it is in the remainder. It’s scary to think that people can do this but it is happening. I found many posts where someoone said someone was texting them they thought they new only to find out the real friend had never contacted them that day. The hacker knew things about the person’s personal and professional life from listening to voicemails through the hack.
As for the number just preceeding this that they say is Mark Denver, I’ve read most people saying it is local weather, jumping on that as showing possible times she was going to dispose of Caylee. But I even suspect that is wrong. Snoop, perhaps you can can call this number locally to check it out? Of course, Here it says it is the number for time. http://www.seminolecountyfl.gov/guide/telguide_sl.asp?LETTER=t Here it says it is time and weather so it is just as likely she is calling to check time as weather. http://www.southwestorlandobulletin.com/directorytext.asp?id=1456 She didn’t even have the car by the time this call was made and they were about to walk out the door to go to Fusion by 8:30 so she was likely calling weather this time. Where it says she was calling grandma, she was really calling Cindy while on route to Fusion.
I’m not sure why this didn’t come up last night at Sunbiz but I find Beyond the Gates Catering now. http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=P05000066350&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=BEYONDGATES&names_filing_type= It was voluntarily dissolved as of April this year. Their start date couldn’t have been anything other than planned. It was 5/5/05. Registered agent name was changed when annual papers were filed in 2007, address changed Sept of 2006. But the street address of the business was changed about the same time as Casey quite receiving paychecks from Universal and began to get her money elsewhere. March, 2006. The mailing address was changed in Feb. of 2006 so that is when this PO box came into being.
Now if you look here http://orlando.blockshopper.com/property/312226905100910/302_lexingdale/ you will see that Bella Vida is a development very near by this address. According to the deed here, http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/downloads/25451587.pdf?id=DOCC25451587.A0&parent=DOCC25451587 The Davidsons lived there before buying it in 2003 so they’ve been around a while. The deed shows that the seller used a Flrorida DL as ID and signed her address in Dublin, Ohio. Hmmm.
I found this refrence to Jimmy Jamz dying this summer of an accidental overdose. Now, his real name is Falco. Didn’t we just run into that name? http://www.loupickney.com/comm/july2010/712010.shtml Or is this a different guy. He DJ’d in a strip club too. I have some other things to share but wanted to get this to you first.
That’s awesome Hazaka! Congrats to you..I’m happy things are going well and weddings bring grandbabies!! How sweet!
JB — thanks …. I have 3 step grand people who I love my own xoxoox— but at least one blood xooxox yea!! And… it’ll be in my lifetime (((( JB ))))
Congratuations on all the weddings. Glad to hear you are doing better Myrrh.
On July 21, 2010 A. Rochelle Davidson registered Fictitious name, Honor Enterprises, same address and post office box. I see why the address and registered agent changed on Beyond the Gates. See http://www.sunbiz.org/pdf/H0109591.pdf showing she incorporated it but a woman owned it with her, not her husband. They had tried to name it On the go catering but someone already had the name.
Heavenly Communcations, Inc is a non profit religious organization. http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=N03000010477&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=HEAVENLYCOMMUNICATIONS&names_filing_type= gives us a little more information about this contact number Casey has on her ATT account. When the original paperwork was filed, 11/2003, the land line connected to this address was different, ending 1514. When Angela took over the presidency, moving her husband to the 2nd position, they still had this number, Oct. 2004. Casey has had this ATT account since July 20, 2004. Either someone else owned the number at the time she opened this account or else she added it later and she used their phone number for contact. But, by the 2nd annual report they were listing two locations for doing business from. The 2nd was on Lake Underhill. So, perhaps that was the number for that location. The original and 1st place of business was their home. Now, by the time of the 2006 annual report, the partner in the catering business is listed as a new director addition. Lake underhill is the mailing address but their home address is stil listed as the place of business. That is strange. The address has all sorts of businesses in it. Why would they have a commercial suite listed as the mailing address but do business in the home? Anyway, they have no phone listed on this doc. http://www.sunbiz.org/pdf/90025969.pdf I’m not sure if this is important but I would think it would be important for LE to know who the number on her phone bill belongs to.
Night all.
Hi everyone,
Warning: Off topic
I’m just getting home and trying to catch up. As always, I check out my site and make the rounds to see the happenings of the day.
Tonight, I’m shocked that David Knechel would address Val’s blog, thehinkymeter.com as to who, why and what her readers comment about. The nerve of him. I just read his post and I am going to leave a comment on his site right now. I doubt if he lets it go thru but Because I don’t trust him, I’m posting it here first in case he decides to change my words around so please bear with me. I apologize for the disruption.
David Knechel,
I see that you’ve written quite a long post addressing your involvement in what some people are calling a plot to have Judge Strickland reclused. I see again, you have come to the forefront to malign these people for even thinking this could remotely be possible. You enjoy the opportunity change up names such as “Sunnydeeds” to “DummySeeds” How lame, how immature for a man of 58 years old. But, I’ve come to expect no less from you. After all you were the weakling who blabbed all over your blog that Judge Strickland likes you and thinks you’re such a fair and impartial blogger, yada, yada, yada. This speaks volumes as to your lack of character and discretion.
Yes, you really had him fooled. At least I know I’m in good company. He was blindsided like the rest of your readers who have since left you high and dry.
I also see you’ve taken that extra step to call Gracie34 a liar and drug addict. I see you have used your blog to deny these accusations. Nice, but it’s not what’s in the content of this post, it’s what you’ve left out. That’s where the meat is, isn’t it? All these things you’ve conveniently left out.
You have even tried to shame me by saying “only an idiot would believe that story about having lunch with the Judge” Yes, it seems you’re clearing everything up now so let me take this opportunity to ask you this one simple question, Did you have lunch with Judge Strickland at the Wafflehouse?” Yes or no? Pick wisely Knechel.
I expect this comment will go into moderation so just in case, I’ve saved it to my site.
Hi Zuben,
Yes, this wedding is lots of work and I’m on the paternal side..lol You would think I’d be immune to making last minute calls and shopping? NOT. But it’s okay..He’s my baby brother so we’re all working hard to get him out and on his way.
Thanks Zuben. You’re asking the right question. Who does this number belong to? Considering all these businesses are out there and associated with this number, it sounds like a scam of some sort to me. Just who does Casey know that does this sort of thing?
I’m wondering if we’ll ever see FMc’s interview in discovery. There’s just not enough documentation on digital forensics and phone logs, imo. I’m hoping there’s more.
Off to bed..it’s been a long day.
Hi JB. I doubt you will get a logical (if any) response from MD. He is caught up in his own little world where only his ideas and theories have merit to his way of thinking. Every blog has topics of discussion that some people may feel as slanted in diverse ways. I thought that is why we blog, to exchange ideas. I have learned very interesting information from the various blogs I visit. Most blog hosts are open to new ideas and discussion. Very few blog hosts (from the blogs I have visited) treat their guests with the disdain MD has shown to his. I would not waste my time messing with MD it is a lost cause. Although I wish he would answer your question. LOL
Have a Great Day
Thanks to you JB there is still your blog left to come to for a good days read and feel
comfortable. The rest have gone nut shaking mad I think. lol
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JB you’re the best.
November 12, 2010 at 11:55 am
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I agree …and wish to add… GOOD COMMON SENSE … it’s wild out there and getting wilder …. for some to think the Cindy game is appropriate is sick!
Aww..Thank You so much,
What that tells me is he has no intention of ever coming clean and he’s not worth mentioning again. So be it!
It’s not me who makes this blog, it’s the people who comment here. I feel lucky to have attracted such a polite, insightful and knowledgeable group to share all that they know and think about this case. You guys are great!! I’m just lucky you found me.
I feel good today because I see he’s done exactly as I expected. He allowed everyone to know I left a comment on his site but he editted it for content. LOL As you can see there’s nothing there to edit.
Onward and Upward, (or something like that???)
That’s the spirit JB. LOL You do not need a crystal ball to see the future, especially when you know it will mirror the past. Onward and Upward.
Big Hugs
Zub, just got in..have not had time to read all..but, Jimmy Jamz is a Top dog dj for
a very popular station here in central florida..It is 102 Jamz. He is Very much alive.
The other guy probably copied the name. Jimmy Jamz is Black.
There is A Thee Doll House strip club in Orlando as well. I know the owners and such
of his chain of clubs nationwide. But did not know this DJ over in Tampa
I must have dreamed I posted earlier because I don’t see it. I had said to you, JB, you made me give him a click today. He had a lot of nerve posting your name but not one word of your comment. What a huge waste, if I hadn’t found something useful there. I noticed his incomplete sentences, one obviously missing a subject to go with this predicate. I saved it to use as an example of poor grammar for my 9 year old. I had to take him to ER today. There’s neve a dull moment with children in our life. All is well now though. He stabbed himself in the eye with a giant knife chasing his cat. This must be the season for accidents and wedding planning.
Snoop, I find it interesting that Jamz is so connected to this heavenly communications catering.I just went to find their page again and found out there is another 102 Jamz, out of Greensboro, http://www.102jamz.com/Hosts/4405486 Funny, at the WJHM Orlando site I couldn’t find Jimmy listed in the Jamz Crew list. But I wonder how the name DJ Nasty fits with Jimmy’s companies listed on his myspace. “DJ Nasty spins the hottest joints…”
But the way he claims Heavenly Communications, Beyond the Gates Catering and the others but I didn’t find him listed in the paperwork at Sunbiz anywhere, unless his names is James W D, married to Angela. Is that who he is?
Zub, Sorry to hear about your son….I hope he is doing well and no damage was done…that eye stuff scares me. A similar thing happened to me and my son. The running stuff! On his Mother’s B/D he decided to run up 3 stairs and tripped….it resulted in 9 stitches because he cut his tongue with his teeth when he tripped. He looked like a snake! What kid’s won’t do for attention! lol….
JB, I feel bad that you were compelled to write MD…..this guy has absolutely no conscience! No matter what anyone has (screenshot) he continues on his merry way to defuse, delay and disgust any reader from truth in it’s simplest form. Him going off on Val shows you he has nothing else better to do than read other people’s blogs. His history of doing something dirty to someone that disagrees with him, is huge and he has help…..
JB, Just wanted you to know that your efforts are greatly appreciated. Trying to get a word or the facts in….might as well beat your head against the bricks. At least you are open and look at things from all directions and you are fair! This is the biggest reason I was attracted to your site. You and Zub look at facts and research, same, without being prejudicial.
Thanks again for being here and bringing an honest forum……
Zub, I forgot to respond about doing business from home…. I have several companies and some are listed out of my home and some are listed at the address of one of my buildings. It’s just what was set up in the beginning. Some of my corporations did not have a physical place of doing business when I started them. I can see why it would look a little strange.
I would agree though, some people starting up multiple businesses could be trying to hide certain aspects of that business. Thank God I’m one of the honest one’s. I can’t imagine an audit…..been through that and all good. There are many that try laundering money through multiple businesses.
Examples: Where I come from is the capitol of coffee stands. I have noticed over the years when I stop for a mocha, the person in the stand will tell me $4.50 but I never see them ring it up on a register. I have noticed the same thing in the Mini-Mart World. Private ownership and they ring up every 5th item……oldest trick in the book if you are a small business. Small services as well……I’ll fix your plumbing, electrical. etc…if it’s a cash deal!
Word is DK has dumped on one of his long time supporters and she is devastated that
he has no conscience. There it goes again, if one dares stand on any principle other than kissing up and praising him, he uses, abuses, lies and excuses. Who needs to be devastated over that piece of trash. Probably wasn’t putting enough in the Tip Jar.
Anyone notice how he ignored Veteran’s Day but wrote all that whiney crap about Val’s.
Sorry I’m OT here.
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November 12, 2010 at 9:57 pm
I noticed that! I spent my afternoon delivering flowers to the cemetery. My Father was a WWII Veteran. He had a saying…”You don’t get something for nothing”. He worked like a dog to provide for us. We were taught that if you wanted anything, you had to work for it.
You can tell by now that davey boy’s life is based upon getting something for nothing.
He could care less about anyone else but himself as he has demonstrated so many times.
He continually asks for donations to do something that has already been done. He reminds me of the ministries I see on TV that ask for money. The ministries will tell TV land that they need money because they have talked to God…..davey asks for money because he talked to Judge Strickland………
Damagdpets, Amen to your take on the TV ministries, I always wondered why God wouldn’t talk to me too, then when He did, He said, “My Child, They Are Thieves, They Are Not Of Me” lol. The Davey rolls out empty words too and turns on people unexpectedly for no reason whatsoever calling them nasty names. He proves himself for what he really is by making a big squall out of a little flea bite. Same old sick tricks poor Me and his Me Me SS have become old mold. You can’t even count the many times they have gone off and started new set-up thinking they can play people for fools. I can’t figure if it is ignorance or if they are really so stupid to think it works for them.
Hi everyone,
Late night for me again, just checking in.
Zuben? OMG, I hope he’s alright. Reminds me of the old adage, Don’t run with a knife, scissors, sharp objects, etc! Somethings are just meant to be said yet forgotten until it happens. Poor baby..I’ll keep him in my prayers. (((Zub)))
Ah ha, thanks for catching YKW’s grammar errors. So much for that career in journalism, huh? I think he should stick to selling hot dogs. oops, did I say that? You may have a comment somewhere, I just haven’t logged on yet to check. Sorry, I made you click the creepo, BABS made me do it. lol
Damadg, You are so right. I was compelled (pout) But I am a fairly good poker player so you can’t blame me for calling his bluff, I knew he’d fold. I think everybody knows the truth about YKW by now. In all honesty, I have yet to find the right word to describe this guy. Is it “flake”? “fluke” I don’t know but it starts with an “F”.
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Do tell..LOL Aww..that’s too bad but really who hasn’t he turned on? Devastated, huh? How can someone sit by and watch this person dump on person after person and NOT think that one day it will be them?? Yep, she must have missed her deadline for payment or said something out of line..You know, someone made him do it. She had it coming..blah blah blah.. lol
Well tomorrow’s the big wedding day. Have a nice weekend EVERYBODY!!
Congrats on all the weddings!
Zub, that sounds awful about your son!!!!!! Hope he is doing ok!
Now..102Jamz..which is really 101.9 on the dial LOL is primarily rap..hip hop etc
It is not tuned to listen to on my car stereo on a regular basis. However, occasionally
I use to listen to the morning..sometimes some funny stuff. However, my son use
to listen to more than I. I am assuming he is still there? He had been on the station
for years, maybe another Jimmy?But I am pretty sure same guy.
He is a Sr. music programmer..maybe he is working behind the scenes..
Ahh..searching as I am writing :
http://102jamzorlando.radio.com/shows/102-jamz-dream-team/
He also was at the Pleasure island nightclub @ disney..However..they are re doing all
that and have taken out the nightclubs.http://www.soniapasqual.net/disney/DJJimmyJamz.jpg
And yes!!!….James W. Davidson Jr
@EMGDJJimmyJamz Orlando FL
EMG DJ Jimmy Jamz,Sr. Mixshow Programmer/DJ @ WJHM-FM-102 JAMZ Orlando FL
http://twitter.com/#!/EMGDJJimmyJamz/following
http://twitter.com/#!/EMGDJJimmyJamz/following
Also called 407-242-7686 it is ATT voicemail. You type in a 10 digit # to LEAVE a
voicemail on someones ATT voice mail box. If you have a voice mail box you probably type a 5 digit #, to listen to your own voice mail.
Now if you just call your own voice mail it will show your own phone number on the bill, I
think you are aware of that.
But if you have an outside voice mail box say from a different phone you may get a 5 digit
show on your bill? I have seen it on a landline. But I only use a cell now. I just listen to
voice mail..however I can have it password protected and that is a 5 digit code.
Hope that all makes sense LOL
I have more..Someone I was interested in the past with events, resurfaced with the DJ.
However that does make sense because she is an event person. But there are many of those
here. So since he had only a short list..I was interested she was there. I will put in another post because I am still looking..and don’t want too many links in one post.
For a while I was quite interested in Clint House Lazzaro’s roomate..orange county clerk:
Roy clinton House..he has a little record..Think also Jacsonville record..but that is all
beside the point. He was asked to leave Tony’s. He was into events and still is in Jacksonville. I was very into researching himand his associates.. for awhile. I ran across a promoter through
some link of his. Her name was mercedes ..she promotes in Orlando. Thought I had recognized some things on her site.. She had pics of a very
bad accident she was in ..and some other things of interest..Now I am talking quite
awhile ago since I have been in house’s links or hers. But came across her link
tonite from something from the DJ..and I mean it only listed 11 people and she was
one.
I have about 30 links open again LOL so have no idea right now. They no longer have
names on the tabs they are blank til I mouse them LOL..So I am still searching here.
Ok..it seems his old site jax entertaiment is non existent..I think he must’ve had some
biz problems? He was going pretty strong?
Well ..he has some older ones..Still open but nothing new I can find right now..and the
old posts are no longer there
http://pa-in.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=160924509215
http://www.facebook.com/MrHouseF1
He no longer is showing business nor wall
This is Mercedes..also a little locked up
http://www.myspace.com/mercedesstreets/photos
http://www.myspace.com/mercedesstreets
Ok..I just found this..It is about this Chris who is doing
a great events biz in Jacksonville..they are talking about
Matt and Clint house doing crappy…
WOWWWWWWWW! Chris seriously?! Yall are just haters! Why do you think they call him Mr Jacksonville! Because he runs Jacksonville, so the 2 guys that are doing this is Matt Dandrif and Clint House? lol… What awesome names! Matt has a cross eyed kid and is a waiter? lol… and Clint has someone elses kid and is a waiter too? lol… this is toooooo funny! Yall should post some pictures of these losers!
So guess he is not doing well..
Anyways my point was the mercedes girl..I came up with her a few times now and had
seen friends in her site before.
Oh Well too tired..Not much there
JB — wish your brother and whole family the best on this happy wedding day!
Good morning all. While wedding bells are ringing I searched emg dj jimmy jamz, which led me to this site: http://turntableu.com/Instructor_EMG_DJ_Jimmy_Jamz_Sr.aspx I saw you had both Jr and Sr listed too. So are there two? What I found currious about this website (owner listed as being in Fontana, CA, first name Isiah) is that even though he is listed in the faculty, none of the coarses they are selling are authored by him. The corporation paperwork has him listed as Jr, by the way.
Repeating what you posted above, Snoop, I think this part of his bio shows where Casey would likely have met him. Jimmy is also the senior DJ and programmer for the BET Soundstage located in Pleasure Island Walt Disney World, and is the only full time DJ since the club opened 10 years ago. She would likely have met him while working at Universal but I don’t see her directly connected to any of his other contacts or company connections. He lists BET Holdings, INC and Black Entertainment Television as his companies, as if he owns them, on his myspace, but he doesn’t. I couldn’t find Legendary status… Dead to Flesh Records, INC did exist. He was the secretary, not principle owner or registrant and it was dissolved in Sept. of last year, I believe for failure to file any annual reports. L Hume was the registered agent and it looks like he has another form in the workds, not doc images yet, Dead to Flesh Records Corporation, 10/29/2010. 4 days earlier Hume enacted Dead to Flesh Entertainiment too. You will recognize his name from the Davidson holdings as an officer. He lives with them, or at least did. There is another with the same last name, different address too. http://www.peoplesmart.com/psp.aspx?_act=resultsgo&aff=34&search=name&FirstName=Larry&MiddleName=E&LastName=Hume&City=Orlando&State=FL It looks like Jr is Angele’s son and Sr is her ex husband. He appears to have connectieons to Detroit, Mi. http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/people-search/names/fl+kissimmee/larry/hume.html I also found this video recently uploaded on you tube, about Dead to Fleash. http://www.youtube.com/user/Loyal1369 In his bio http://www.youtube.com/user/Reason4HipHop he also claims Dead to Flesh records as his company. ReAsOn’s real name is Ricardo.
I was surprised not to find anything listed in the myfloridacounty database even though they’ve had a mortgage recorded. I won’t post their personal business here but can be seen at orange county clerk. The most recent activity was in family court in August of this year. Angela has nothing more serious than failure to wear safety belt. Not quite so simple for Jimmy but I’ve seen much worse too. If you look, though, make sure to ignore the ones with a middle initial different than W. I suppose some without any middle initial could be him but he seems to use the initial quite often.
Hope you all are having a great weekend.
Hi everyone! My goodness, Zuben, I’m so glad your little one is okay! I’ll bet he remembers that lesson the rest of his life. I still remember my father giving me his pocket knife to cut my clay and him telling me “Don’t cut yourself.” Famous last words
JB, I hope you & your family have a wonderful day celebrating your brother’s wedding. Thanks for sharing about MD’s latest. I won’t go there again. He has such a sense of drama, he should be writing fiction instead of running a little fake empire…
DamagedPets, my father was a WWII vet too. We don’t have many from that generation left, but they accomplished SO much.
Have a great night.
Zuben —- hope all is well.. scary indeed ..
Zuben, I hope your son is 100% fine. I did not realize it was a serious comment until
others mentioned it to you. Thought you were still relating to previous part of your comment. I apologize.
Hi all. Thanks for your concern. He is amazingly ok, hardly shaken by it at all. I was quite shocked, actually. He barely even flinched with the needle and he usually is quite dramatic, emotional. Maybe he’s getting more like his dad as he matures, LOL. He did make quite a ruckus at first though. He was bent over so, of course, blood spewed everywhere for him to see. But, once we got him upright and kept pressure on it he calmed right down. There’s only a slight amount of bruising. Stitches come out on Wednesday. I might have considered butterflying it if it wasn’t in such an awkward place. But, I also wanted to make sure the lateral eye muscle wasn’t cut.
I just went to OC clerk’s site to see if anything new was filed Friday. We’re still quite behind on seeing the discovery that has been released to the defense. http://www.myorangeclerk.com/ I see that not only have they given the place a face lift, Casey Anthony has her own link, top left, to take you straight to her page, now complete with links to documents. What a kind thing for them to do for us. I guess they figure, after all the money this case is bringing in for them, it’s the least they can do, right?
The amended defense witness list is at the bottom of the page.
Zuben — glad your son wasn’t as injured as we all thought —- good wishes and healing sending your way (((( ))) btw,,.. this web site … I took a quick peak …was it ever done for any other person?
Sorry – MEANT as seriously as we thought re: your som — my keyboard is sticking …. ordered a new one ———
No problem, Hazaka. I knew what you meant. I’m quite sure they have never done this before. I’ve been all over that site and this is the first I’ve seen anything like this. Perhaps there are not usually this many motions and other filings in a case, but for sure, they’ve never had this volume of traffic before, that this case has brought. I know a lot of bloggers go there to check the docket. Of course, you still have to take the other route to see the whole page, notices of discovery and payments. But this is a very handy refrence for all the motions.
Hi everyone,
The wedding went swimmingly and thank God it’s over.
Zuben said, snipped:
I just went to OC clerk’s site to see if anything new was filed Friday. We’re still quite behind on seeing the discovery that has been released to the defense. http://www.myorangeclerk.com/ I see that not only have they given the place a face lift, Casey Anthony has her own link, top left, to take you straight to her page, now complete with links to documents. What a kind thing for them to do for us. I guess they figure, after all the money this case is bringing in for them, it’s the least they can do, right? The amended defense witness list is at the bottom of the page.
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Wow, Casey Anthony has her own link?? Freaking amazing…these Sunshine laws are getting a little too convenient for my taste. I guess this is just another “First” for the Anthony case. How can this not taint a jury when they make it so easy to find information.
I’m glad the wedding went well, JB. I hope you had some fun too.
You make a good point. I think the jury is expected to be able to put everything aside they have read or heard before trial but if they have their head filled with all that has been fed to us, both true and untrue, I would think it would be quite difficult to discard it all and start from scratch when trial begins. But, the average person outside Orlando won’t have had so much information shoved under their noses. It will only be those that have taken a special interest in this case, like us, that might be a problem. Perhaps they will add a question to the list asked of potential jurors. “Have you visited the Orange County Clerk website regarding this case or read any of the discovery documents released by the media?” How about this…”Do you listen to Kathi Belich? Dismissed with prejudice and cause, your Honor!”
Hi All Glad the wedding was a success! Zub Glad to hear your son is doing ok! Very Scarey!
Zub..thanks for the info..I either missed it today or it was still in Mod..I’m talking about
Sat post..was not there yesterday LOL I will go to your links there..I researched some more
as well..and then got caught up with going back over some docs.
Yeah, I thought Pleasure Island would have been the spot of meeting? However,
running into his name in other areas..Its late..get back tomorrow.
Detroit connection HMMMMM
Zub..intellus list Angela as possible relative of Hume_______ http://www.intelius.com/results.php?ReportType=1&searchform=publicrecords
Angela Rochelle Davidson
Zub..yes ..related LOL Radaris link shows Angela Hume Fl & Detroit Mi! Of course LH and
other Humes are listed. Now…Being that I have this thing about MI..It has my attention!
http://radaris.com/p/Angela/Hume/MI/
Now this all started with Casey’s phone contact number..
Casey’s ATT home contact number, indeed. I wish there was a way to find out if they had this number in 2004. I know they had another phone listed on one of their businesses but it is quite possible they would have 2 lines in their home. Sometimes people even had a line for internet before the DSL days. So I think there is a pretty reasonable chance that this was their number then.
Hume is her son’s and ex’s last name. Hume comes up on the business docs and he lives with them, or did at some point. I hesitated to make too much of it because he is likely an innocent minor child that is being used for tax purposes.
Reading Val’s comments where the PR ZG came up, got me curious what would come up if searched ZG with Zeny, the ID used at her myspace. I’d never seen this before. Did you know Zaba search has a message board where people can send messages to others that have asked questions, looking for people?
Message Sent Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:11 am (Pacific Time)
From: Wildwood , FL , US
Area Code: 352
Zip Code: 34785
Open this message
To: ZENAIDA FERNANDEZ GONSALEZ
r u her?
See the responses here: http://www.zabasearch.com/messages/zaba_messages_thread.php?fid=867729
I believe I ran across this realtor when I found the ZG in Washington, listing the military base as her address.
Message Sent Saturday, September 6, 2008 8:50 am (Pacific Time)
From: Courtenay , BC , CA
Open this message
To: ZANIDA FERNANDEZ -GONZALEZ
YOU LIED TO POLICE YOU HAVE MY CAYLEE DAUGHTER AND U KNOW IT…SO DONT BE STUPID WITH ME…ZANIDA UR SISTERS NAME IS SAMANTHA SO U SHOULD HAVE BEEN ARESTED NOT JUST QUESTIONED WITH THE POLICE AND THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED IF U HADENT BEEN BABYSITTING MY DAUGHTER WELL I WENT TO PARTY AT THE BAR..
Message Sent Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:37 pm (Pacific Time)
From: San Juan , PR
Zip Code: 00907
Open this message
To: ZENEIDA FERNANDEZ
I am looking for my sister Zeneida Fernandez, she is the daughter of Antonio”Tony” Fernandez Valentin. If that person is you please contact me as soon as possible to 787-519-9239. God Bless you. Kuky
The response to the above message is interesting. It seems people come to the states and loose touch with their family. http://www.zabasearch.com/messages/zaba_messages_thread.php?fid=962755 I doubt this person is the Zenaida and I’m sure that person claiming Caylee as her daughter is not Casey, but thought I’d share.
Zuben — this is too too toooooo weird! What do you suspect this is all about — a Zeneida ,,, Zenida …Caylee…. daughter,,. was Casey every in Puerto Rico??? I am mystified!
Hi Hazaka. If you are referring to the one written all in caps, I suspect it is a blogger living in Courtenay , BC , CA, according to what is listed there. That is on the West Coast of Canada. There are several blogging in this case from Canada so it is probably one of them. No, Casey has never been to PR. She said she planned to, even got the tickets for the others but didn’t get to go herself. The one from Wildwood, Fl is probably another blogger and I wondered if it could have been Dominic Casey. Where is he from? I’m sure he would have used any resource to try to find the elusive nanny. The last one is from PR but the names don’t fit what Casey said. This one I found concerning Gloria Gonzalez was interesting: http://www.zabasearch.com/messages/zaba_messages_thread.php?fid=896694 But, again, I don’t think it fits the ages, names, etc. This woman had one girl and one boy. This would leave out the sister, Sam and Casey didn’t mention a brother. The husband’s name would have been David, also doesn’t fit. The date really caught my attention though. I suspect there were a lot of bloggers trying to track her down in September of 2008.
Thanks Zuben for sharing,
You’re right. the one addressed to ZANIDA FERNANDEZ -GONZALEZ is probably a phony but what caught my attention was I’ve seen ZG’s name spelled this way on a blog. ZANIDA?
Of course, that would go along with the name “zanny” as being a nick name.
In one of George A’s interviews it was also spelled Zenida and or Zenita….
You’re right JB. I also found a Zeny & Zory, short for Zenaida and Zoraida, twins from PR that have performed in Orlando. I first found them on myspace but here is their website and bio. http://www.zenyzory.com/bio.htm It makes sense that Zeny would be short for Zenaida and Zanny short for Zanaida but they could be switched too. Bobby is short for Robert and Jim short for James, different initial letter and different vowel.
Hi Zuben,
I one of my searches I stumbled upon this site. Has anyone seen this mySpace page before?
http://www.myspace.com/tallrussell
Possible friend of Sean Daly??
Who is tall russell? Just curious..
I ran across that a long time ago. He is Latino and must have gotten engaged in the fall of 2008. I see Shawn and Jing A Ling. Wasn’t the latter the name of a pig at the party house? That was at Lake Vaj, wasn’t it? http://www.myspace.com/lakevaj1 There’s another neck breaking page on his friends list too. http://www.myspace.com/breakinnecks1 I think this explains the search on the Anthony computer. The blog page explains how to become a member of their little club. Page was created in 2007
bout me:
Breakin’ Necks is a custom truck club that is taking over the Orlando area. We are focused on having fun while building trucks that are low and clean as hell! We are a close group of friends, basically a small family, with the same interest. We’re neck breakers, when you see us roll by then youll understand!
Read more: http://www.myspace.com/breakinnecks1#ixzz15Ou3BhWS
Today and tomorrow the defense is again, inspecting documents belonging to TES. A phone conference hearing will be held Thursday, 1:30 pm with the JAC regarding the defense DNA testing.
I didn’t realize there was a new article. Off I go
Sorry I missed this comment Zuben,
Yes, I think this does explain “neck breaking” It’s a car club of some sort.
Thanks for informing me of the conference hearing tomorrow too.
Hello friends,
I went back to look at Volume 1, page 36, #23010 http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/november/168499/More-documents-to-be-released-in-Casey-Anthony-case
I just noticed that Sawgrass records claim Zenaida Gonzalez visited on April 17th, not June 17th as I thought. I didn’t see anything else that implies that this was an error. Strange. Do you think LE lied about this to Casey to see if she would take the bait?
Maybe elaborate more or even claim “yes that’s Zenaida!!” Just a thought..
I think that is another typo. The actual card says Juny 17, a day after Casey said she left Caylee there.
that would not explain the possible tandem search term “making household weapons.” just saying.
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e daisy,
Not much does explain “making household weapons.” I hate to say this again and again but who needs a household weapon to murder a toddler? Maybe KC was that afraid of George??
Just a thought..
JB
Hi e daisy and welcome,
I’m not sure why KC searched “Household weapons” unless she was afraid of someone because we know she didn’t need a household weapon to use on a 2yo child. Are you referring to Zuben’s comment regarding “neck breakin” because there is a car club or should I say truck club called Neck Breakin in Orlando area. Its possible she was searching for a member. just a thought..
DON’T STOP THIS THREAD!!! I have questions! JMG – Review this about him – He is a DEA INFORMANT – ORLANDO TIES! Also Sawgrass Manager: Amanda Macklin sent an e-mail to Yuri and said that since the past 2 weeks (indicating middle of June) he started acting funny. He told her that he was resigning and going back to New York. He said that his last day would be July 2nd. However… he was a NO SHOW – skipped out on July 1st. He also stated to her that he was “Scared” his excuse he gave was he didn’t like knowing the building “Sawgrass” was for sale. She states something… (I’m trying to find the documents) Anyway….
*1986 – Walt Disney World foreman and dealing ounces of cocaine on the side AND!!!!!!!!!!!! Here is another insert from the article: Then in
*June 1986, an answer to drug agents’ prayers arrived on the scene, a stocky Colombian named Juan Gonzalez. He was busted with 2 1/2 kilos of cocaine – 5 1/2 pounds – in a South Orlando Winn-Dixie parking lot.
*In fact, investigators say they didn’t receive concrete information about Gonzalez’s activities until the Nov. 11 arrest of a Seminole County man. Court records show the man cooperated and identified Gonzalez as his cocaine supplier for the last year. He then set up a deal with Gonzalez, who was arrested by the DEA Nov. 13 with 20 kilos at a Holiday Inn parking lot near Universal Studios Florida.
Also he listed on his job application (Sawgrass) – PREVIOUS ADDRESS: 2350 Nautical Way, Apt 210
http://www.nejamelaw.com/mark-nejame-in-the-news/DEA-drawback-using-informants.htm
ALSO: Look into Zenaida Gonzales “Rosado” DOB: SEPT 2! – married to Carmelo Rosado
I also found out that Derrick Williams (DOB- 5/8/79) says he does not know Casey/Caylee. He lived at Sawgrass Apt. several times. 03-06 Apt. 214 / 314, Moved from New York. Claims he has never been to Fusion Ultra Club but…….. somehow he is tied in with Ricardo Morales or Tony… I will find that transcript too and pass it on. Derrick has a history at 276 Conway Rd. also has a supossed business: “Society Entertainment” HE IS CONNECTED TO SAWGRASS/FUSION.
Also. Transcripts say when Cindy goes to Tony’s house to confront her she is on her laptop. However when (based on Lee’s Transcript) when he get’s to Tony’s, the laptop has a VIRUS AND EVERYTHING IS DELETED.
So the 9th? She was said to be jogging a lot near Blanchard Park and during the week of the 9th is when she loses her cell phone. WHAT IF……. Casey witnessed the murder of Nicole Ganguzza who’s body was found in Blanchard Park on June 11th. What if she was threatened and DID GIVE CAYLEE AWAY FOR HER SAFETY? Also? One of the suspects ” Bruce Trebian” was a former Disney Employee. The Judge was a relative (mind you this is in Orlando…) Judge was a relative for Bruce Trebian. Trebian father – law enforcement in Michigan.
AND ONE LAST STATEMENT…. SINCE WHEN DID THE PUBLIC START BELIEVING LAW ENFORCEMENT TO TELL THE TRUTH? I believe it all has to do with JMG!
Please follow up on this and continue this thread! Casey must be exonerated and we need to be her voice. She may be guilty of either a drug deal gone bad or a witness. This JMG is also tied in with Ricardo Morales. I still don’t think the body is Caylee’s! The entire report basically states: CONSISTANT WITH A CHILD NEAR THE AGE OF CAYLEE, ALSO UNDETERMINED SEX. The clothes may be her’s BUT NO DNA MATCH, right? Did I read it right? This was professional
I really don’t want my name in this….. After this case, I trust no one!
Just curious….. Casey dated 3 x OPD….. Jesse Grund (resigned and his transcript the detective says “We won’t pick that scap”, Tony Rusciano (fired) and Adam Lynch (X-OPD)
Why did JG resign? Did he find out KC suspect to give Caylee away (unaware due to her safety) would also maybe………. explain her free spirit afterward….. knowing she was somewhere safe. I still believe she was tramatized(sp?) in some way to have developed in the way she did. She most defintely displayed symptoms of childhood sexual abuse (and it is absolutely normal if it happens in the family to remain attached) Maybe JG found out about the JMG COVER-UP AND decided that he would investigate on his own. Why did he resign? ALSO WHY NO TRANSCRIPT FOR JMG? There was an investigation with YM, I CAN’T FIND IT YET……. IT’S THERE THOUGH. No transcript/deposition that I can find. Could it be because it’s “Sealed” due to his “Questionable Status”
does anyone ever wonder, during a conversation with KA about ZFG with AZ she says her babysitter is out of town, was AH out of town that same weekend… not sure why she keeps popping up in my head, but i wonder didn’t KA go to Sawgrass which is across the street from AH’s house with the police. maybe caylee is safe and sound with family of AH to keep her out of harms way
maybe AH’s family agreed to have her back home by a certain time, would explain why KA went partying, and she couldn’t afford trips for her girl maybe they offered to take her off her hands for a while, while she got a job (would explain resumes in car) got an apartment (she did get kick out) and when she tried to get her back,they never returned her calls and just left town, just a crazy thought
i know AH is pissed about the money and all but have u ever considered how much she throws innuendos out there in all her interviews? maybe i am seeing something that isn’t’ there…
Ohh..this is some juicy stuff Tracy!!
BTW!! I <3 you guys!!
TIA,
TheJBMission~
Tracy, I never saw your posts until now. Please come back and tell us more. I’ve wondered too why no follow up on Juan Gonzalez. Of course, it wouldn’t fit with what the defense team said so they didn’t follow up either, or if they did, they kept it quiet. Where did you get information saying he was a DEA informant?
KP, I was assuming (I know… that is dangerous,) that Casey was simply using pieces of reality to fit into her fantasy, but yes, I noticed that too. Sawgrass isn’t near Rico’s though. It was the building that Casey said Gloria lived in that was near them.
Ok….this is going to paint me as a moron….but it’s a risk I’m willing to take!
Who is JMG?
Sorry.
OK….never mind. It is Juan Gonzalez. Thanks Zuben!
Omar,
JMG = Juan Gonzalez the maintence man from Sawgrass.. Remember him?
lol..don’t feel bad, I’m lost too!
Okay Guys,
I’m off to play with my grandson. Have fun!
BBL to catch up. I can’t wait!
JB
http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2010/05/10/illegal-immigrant-juan-gonzalez-arrested-for-sexually-assaulting-a-6-year-old-girl-in-albuquerque/
OK….this is probably coincidence that the name is the same, because apparently the name Juan Gonzalez is VERY common. And this is in NM, not FL, but I thought it was wierd given the subject matter….ie, the rape of a 6 year old girl.
Does anyone know the stats of the JMG who worked at Sawgrass? Age, etc?
Ok….I just realized that the JGonzalez int he article I linked above was 15 years old in 2005. That would make him only 21 now. Ignore the link!
http://www.whitepages.com/name/Juan-Gonzalez/Altamonte-Springs-FL/16tjmuy check this out omar wonder if this is him
September 2, 1980. He said he was from New York but that may have just been a previous home.
Why did everbody come over to this Nov 2008 site?????
I was talking to myself over on the July 10th blog.
sorry Nov 2010
Hello,
I find it ironic that a ZFG just happened to be at that Saw Grass Apartments, gee what a coincidence. NOT!~ Why did George seek out River Cruz? Was he still building a so called alibi, to try and plant the accident seed early on>? I do not nor have I ever thought Caylee’s death was an accident. No way Jose! (no pun intended) I do believe George may have
tried to convince his daughter it was but there is just no way. I always had the feeling Casey found something out about her own father, possibly witnessed him going to Saw Grass to meet one of his hussies? Take it from there…………………..NEXT
Bringing this over from previous thread…July 2011, A Smile Says It All
Orb discussion
http://tinypic.com/m/es3p76/2
http://tinypic.com/m/es3pdx/2 Updated!
Close ups:
#1 http://tinypic.com/m/es3ple/2
#2 http://tinypic.com/m/es3plf/2
#3 http://tinypic.com/m/es3pjc/2
http://media.photobucket.com/image/kindercare%20orlando%20yellow%20sign/ecs5298/sign.jpg
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo95/ecs5298/195825.jpg
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo95/ecs5298/195828.jpg
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo95/ecs5298/195984.jpg
http://tinypic.com/m/es3rsh/2
Yellow sign
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=kl21t8VP%2FYjzdPzMC4Gcfoh4l5k2TGxc Wet Road
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=kl21t8VP%2FYiuevTwWr5Qv4h4l5k2TGxc Drops
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=kl21t8VP%2FYhminxWRpRJD4h4l5k2TGxc Snoops photo
http://tinypic.com/m/eqz1ao/2 Dom Casey sign
Caylee photos & video comparison for Strange Breakfast
Caylee Christmas photo Dec 2006
http://thm-a03.yimg.com/nimage/3813ba924ab926b2 (Relatively same age as videos)
At 1:10 of this video Caylee looks at the camera and sings Jingle Bells. SHe is wearing a santa hat. Caylee appears to be a couple of months younger in this video so I feel I can safely place the Strange Breaksfast video between 01/2007 and June 2007.
http:// youtu.be/F7QYbLkDsWU
I will now use pictures to try to narrow the timeframe further.
This picture of Cayle at Easter 2008 shows an older Caylee. One who would no longer fit into that high chair.
http://i487.photobucket.com/albums/rr237/tuckerm33/caylee_anthony_easter2_287.jpg
Workin backwards…
Caylee porn?
http://plainsdaily.com/entry/child-prostitution-porn-may-be-hidden-in-sealed-casey-anthony-files-legal-expert-demands-records-be-released/
Copy of Cindy & George Anthony’s letters to Casey.
I wanted to ask if any one has read the GA letter dated 03/25/10 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24043180/detail.html
and the CA letter dated 04/27/10 ?
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24527888/detail.html
Dana McCain Interview
Dana McCain Radio Interview
Dana: First off I want to be loyal to my family and I am not speaking for George Anthony’s side of the family I am only speaking for Cindy Anthony’;s side of the family. We were totally surprised. There is speculation that we knew thaty she would be found not guilty. That is not true at all. We all thought um..totally expected her to be found guilty. But um..she wasn’t and I just wanted to put out there that there…um..is truth to the defense side and that will come out. And it won’t be long. and people can make their own decisions & opinions from that. There will be a book written…um…about the truth that…
Female: Who..who’s going to write the book?
Dana: There’s a…I can’t give out their names, you can find it easily. The judge said…you remember or you can call back from the internet I’m sure and replay the part where he had just found out that the booker was in the…in the area..
Female: Um hum
Dana: The booker had been in the area the entire trial.And um… he was hired by the family to sit and take his complete opinion and it’s two people, a man and a woman to give their opinion completely and write it from their side, what they saw, how it all came out and um…so I just wanted to …everyone to know that…give it…it sounds like…just ridiculous that she was found not guilty but I promise that it will all come out.And yes, she did some things wrong there were major mistakesmade…um but it will play it’s self out and…it was a true verdict.
Female: So you;re saying that the truth will come out about what? What happened to Caylee?
Dana: Yes, yes absolutely, absolutely
Male: I gotta be honest, I find it kind of disgusting that a 2 yr old little girl has lost her life and already the wheels are spinning of how do we make a profit off of this and make a book out of it?
Dana: I agree, I agree. I’m not the one …um…like I mentioned to your producer I am a distant cousin and we’re not..an everyday type…in other words we wouldn’t be decision makers of things but I do agree. I absolutely do agree.
Male: Do you think that she killed her?
2nd male: That’s what I want to know , you never answered that earlier…in your heart, what do the other family members think?
Dana: No, the entire family expected a guilty verdict
Male: Yeah but what you expect and what you believe in your heart that she was innocent..ya know cuz not guilty is not the same as innocent, ok. Not guilty means that there was reasonable doubt, they didn’t do the job proving the case…do you believe that she is innocent, that she did not do this?
Dana: Absolutely! Only after our conference call with our entire family last night about 11 o’clock where we found out things that …uh…we’ve all been asking this whole entire time since they got up there and they changed the enitre story. So um yes, absolutely. Before last night I would say absolutely it was a travesty that uh…that the verdict was not guilty..till last night.
Female: Ok let me throw this out to ya then Dana, you said that in the beginning that you asre only speaking for the Cindy Anthony side of your family not for her husband, George …does that have anything to do with what…
Dana: Absolutely
Female: With what you think happened to Caylee?
Dana: Yes, it absolutely does.
Male: Oh, you think he may have had something to do with it?
Dana: Uh…he uh…the story that you heard that the defense presented by Jose Baez as…was..uh…absolutely what happened..and um..at that point..I I…and I’m speaking for our side of the family..and that’s only because of the call that we recieved..and the proof that we recieved last night.
Male: It’s hard to believe anything because there’s been so many different, it’s like throw in everything but the kitchen sink.
here’s another one here’s another one…that’s how you create reasonable doubt. By throwing in all these different senarios.
Dana: That’s the only reason that I …half-way agree with the book. I don’t… I think the money ought to go to charity and I don’t ..I don’t …how they got that and all… now last night on the phone call and ..you know…it was kind of thrown up and I can tell that some people are trying to profit…ya’ll will find out, you know , very soon how that’s gonna go I don’t know if they’re gonna do a charity thing but I think if a book’s written it ought to be scoped to people who uh…find kids…
Female: Well, Why even write a book? Why should there even be a book written?
Dana: The only reason is for Casey to get the story out as to what happened to her mind the day that that took place. And how it completely flipped over and how she did what I call…what I took from that phone call is that she had a complete & total nervous breakdow…and literally is not going to be ok mentally…anymore, ever.
My family may kill me for saying this but I…she…she played just as much a part to me & the entire thing is..is..anybody else and I should…I guess I’m saying..George Anthony.and…and cover-up, whatever..she played just as much a part and to me…I don’t know…if Not Guilty was…I don’t..I don’t know if that was right or wrong. I know there should have been a lesser charge from our understanding…
Male: Accomplice to murder?
Dana: Yeah, yeah. yeah. I think something…I think ..I don’t even know if murder would be ..you know I believe the drowning happened, with the second that happened and the decisions that were made after that our family feels like were… wrong & should be judged accordingly WITH George Anthony. So I…you know we’re waiting to sit back and find out ..after things come out ..what will happen to George.
Female: She going with your family?
Dana: Yeah yeah. We don’t know where George will be but she & her mom may be comming. We all offered our help..for assistance or just a place to get away …you know…where they won’t be followed & tracked.
Female: Do you think that she’s comming to Houston if she gets out on Thursday?
Dana: It’s been discussed. Should I say, it’s been offered. It was…it was mentioned as a possibility, would we be against that?
and after we asked the questions that we asked and we were told the entire information, we were asked to be proven and we made some phone calls, then we offered.
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RIVERA: What if this? What if it’s the baby’s daddy that you don’t know who he is and where he’s from –
O’REILLY: All right, stop with the “what ifs”, Geraldo. Let’s just go with the record.
RIVERA: What if he did something, how — the record suggests, that’s exactly what I’m trying to say here Bill, the record is conclusive. This was a good mother. You see the videos.
O’REILLY: Oh, bull! This is so much bull I can’t stand it! A good mother? How does a good mother go to a wet body contest when her baby is missing? How does that happen? A good mother? Come on.
(CROSSTALK)
RIVERA: Because maybe her brain is so distorted by years of abuse she can’t think straight.
(CROSSTALK)
O’REILLY: Oh stop it! Stop it!
RIVERA: Maybe she is mentally ill.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/2011/07/06/oreilly-vs-geraldo-casey-anthonys-murder-acquittal#ixzz1Rgj6Gsvc
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Notice how GR mentions “Baby’s daddy” and “did something” and “years of abuse”
Dr Spitz
http://www.med.wayne.edu/wayne%20medicine/wm98/living.htm
The great nineteenth-century medical researcher Rudolf Virchow, in response to a lack of standardization of autopsy procedures, established and published specific autopsy protocols (one such protocol still bears his name).
Virchow also developed a standard method of autopsy procedure, named for him, that is still one of the two main techniques used today.
Rudolf Ludwig Karl Virchow (13 October 1821 – 5 September 1902)
19th century medical research Rudolph Virchow borrowed upon several Egyptian practices when developing the Virchow method, the current standard for autopsy investigation.
http://museumofthemacabre.org/2011/04/autopsy/
There are three main types of autopsies:[10]
Medico-Legal Autopsy or Forensic or coroner’s autopsies seek to find the cause and manner of death and to identify the decedent.[10] They are generally performed, as prescribed by applicable law, in cases of violent, suspicious or sudden deaths, deaths without medical assistance or during surgical procedures.[10]
Clinical or Pathological autopsies are performed to diagnose a particular disease or for research purposes. They aim to determine, clarify, or confirm medical diagnoses that remained unknown or unclear prior to the patient’s death.[10]
Anatomical or academic autopsies are performed by students of anatomy for study purpose only
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopsy#Types
The type both Dr G & Dr S used were the same, forensic
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf Pg 4
The skeletal remains were identified by nuclear DNA by the FBI lab in Quantico, VA. The DNA from the skeleton was taken from the tibia.
pg 9
A small rectangular piece of bone had been removed from the right tibia for DNA analysis.
pg 13
Identification: Consistant with Caylee’s age at the time she was she was last seen alive.
(Vague?)
pg 15 Sex: (Do not determine sex of infant or child by skeleton, considered bad forensics, high rate of error)
You have proven repeatability in returns for the sample. This plays in as very important when dealing with degraded DNA – such as Caylee’s DNA samples from her little tibia. It has degraded so badly that the FBI had to run tests on more than one sample from the tibia because her little alleles were so weak she could barely “speak to us”. But through proving repeatability, the FBI confirmed it was little Caylee’s tibia.
So let’s take some of the test results and look at them to see how this plays into things. The following table is constructed by splicing together the results from Caylee’s hairbrush (these results were used as the benchmark for her DNA for matching purposes), Casey’s buccal swab for matching, and the results on the samples from her tibia. (The separate tables are located on pages 227 and 228 of this released discovery.)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147519/detail.html
If they did not have the buccal swab of Casey as a benchmark, they would have initially (then not been able to correct it) had the (12), 13 alleles together and the 9 alone. It was only after comparing to Casey’s DNA sample that they found the 9,13 alleles go together for Caylee. This is the problem with mixtures…especially when one donor comes in “under the limits”.
Because the comparison between the Caylee benchmark testing from the hairbrush with that from the buccal swab of Casey confirmed that D16S538 is, in fact, the pair of alleles, 9, 13, we have a match between the tibia and Caylee’s DNA.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2009/10/29/will-duct-tape-be-caseys-sticking-point-part-2/
DNA from bones
Special DNA extration method for bones that were soaked (in water,wet conditions), burned, or buried 2-9 years.
http://www.hartnell.cc.ca.us/faculty/jhughey/Files/dnaextractionburnedbones.pdf
Because this study didn’t include bones less then 2 yrs since death I assume that bones recovered less then 2 yrs since date of death would not normally degrade DNA even if in wet conditions.
DNA from cremated bones:
Abstract
The discovery of polymeric DNA in charred wheat grains and other burnt plant remains prompted us to examine a set of cremated bones for the presence of ancient DNA. Extracts of cremated bones from an early Bronze Age cemetery cairn were analysed by hybridization probing and the polymerase chain reaction. Hybridization with two probes targeting human DNA resulted in strong positive signals. Polymerase chain reactions directed at a multicopy sequence in human nuclear DNA were successful, extracts of five burials giving amplification products of the expected size. Exploitation of ancient DNA in cremated bones could be of great value in archaeology as it may enable information pertaining to sex and kinship to be obtained from fragmented material.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/oa.1390050212/abstract
DNA degrades over time, and the rate of degradation is highly dependent upon the storage conditions. DNA degrades most rapidly under wet or mouldy conditions, and DNA stores best in cool dry conditions. If intact DNA is present in the sample that is submitted, we will be able to get a full profile. However, if the DNA in the sample is partially or completely degraded or non-existent, then either no profile or only a partial profile can be obtained. Please note that the cost for testing a forensic sample is per attempt, and the cost applies even if the test does not yield a profile. In general, since mtDNA is small and circular, it is less susceptible to degradation and mtDNA testing generally works better than Y-DNA on old samples.
http://www.genebase.com/support/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=295
http://www.herpcenter.com/herp-awareness/11632-ancient-marrow-may-yield-dna.html
Take a look at this….
http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/html/units/fau/dna_faq.shtml#5
about identifying human remains
http://www.boneroom.com/bone/humanbones.html
These are actual bones for sale…not replicas.
Caylee Haleigh connection: Grund
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/08/william-cobra-staubs.html
We are posting on a Nov 2010 site the dates are gettin messed up. I think JB just wanted HollysG to post her links to this site to keep them organized, but now we’re blogging on an old site. I’m going back to July 10th site Bye.
I was responding to a yr old thread? LOL
JB stickied this thread fo us to post evidence and debunking stuff. LOL
I found a link for some stuff on JMG. His employment records and a subpoena for him. It starts on page 50-ish and goes on for a while. I’m still looking through but thought I’d share the link.
http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/documents/casey-anthony-Binder22975-23220-1102.pdf
Listen to their comments at 4:20. Casey says she just wants Caylee to come home but she wants to be there when it happens. George talks about how their lives will never be the same. They’ve joined a Life Club of Missing Children. Watch Casey’s reaction. She looks at him horrified, lets out a huge sigh and drops her head. After a few sentences he tells her “I know she’s close, I can feel her” Casey smiles and nods. Talks about going out at night and telling the stars “Caylee Mommy loves you , grandma & grandpa love you. (Casey breaks down crying) He goes on to say “This is destroying your mother” After a few more sentences he encourages her to speak with Scott, an authoratative figure without Josae present.
8:10 Years ago when I did the thing that I did and I don’t want to go into it too deep, but it was all handled within the judges chambers
Casey talks about Caylee comming home and wanting to be there when she did but she doesn’t talk about future plans with Caylee.
George talks up KidFinders a lot! He just perks right up whenever he talks about it.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html George visits Casey in Jail (8/3/2008)
George “washing Hands”
http://www.wftv.com/video/28417828/index.html
George says in the Fox interview about Kidfinder’s boat, that whatever happened to Caylee, happened because she was in her grandparent’s ___ , around her grandparents ___, around her grandparents.
Listen to 3:35 to 3: 42; his most revealing words are at 3:39 -3:41, when he backtracks to “around them”, from “in their” and “around their”. He is referring to grandparents when he says “them” and “their”.
At the time of the interview, George felt the lesson learned is “watch your children closely”, “take that extra step now” to “keep them safe”, “take extra measure to make sure they’re safe”.
Summary:
1. Now that people identify with his grandaughter Caylee being missing, they’re
really concentrating on watching their children closely.
2. Grandparents are taking that extra step now
3. When grandparents have that child in their ___ they take extra measures to make sure that they’re safe.
4. When grandparents have that child around their ___ they take extra measures to make sure that they’re safe.
5. When grandparents have that child around them they take extra measures to make sure that they’re safe.
His backtracking from “in their _”, “around their __” to “around them” is around 3:39 -3:41.
Transcription of his words:
People are identifying now, that they’re
really concentrating on watching their children closely, grandparents are taking that extra step now and realizing when they have that child in their, around their, around them, take extra measures to make sure that they’re safe.
That they’re out there – just glad.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18212494/index.html (Josh’s instructions to Lee Anthony @ 8:03)
Josh instructs Lee on how to manipulate LE, CPS, the media etc
So what do you guys think about the common drug/sex angles on Caylee, Trenton, & Haleigh?
Casey: incest allegations, posssible drug connection through others, promiscuous, domineering mother
George: Escorts, BDSM, affair, rumored pimp while seperated from Cindy in Dec 2005 – June 2006, incest allegations alleged against
Lee: Incest allegations alleged against
Misty: Sexual abuse/incest allegations (brother), drugs, parents drug addicted/alcoholics, brother drug addicted, promiscuous, sexual abuse by boyfriend, rape, physical abuse by boyfriend, later husband, DRUG DEALING, rumored to have been asked to threesome with boyfriend & other female & agreed to
Ron: Drug Dealing, rumored to enjoy 3 somes , drug/alcohol addicted, gang/drug dealer vengance rumors, physically violent & threatening
Melinda: Internet porn site, drug past, mental health issues
Josh: Drug past, physically violent, domineering mother,
Geraldo Interviews Mr Baez & Mr Mason
Make sure you play this when it is convenient to cry. Rascal Flatts’ Gary LeVox Co-Writes Song in Tribute to Caylee Anthony, “She’s Going Places”
Lawson Lamar election campaign 2008:
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-09-30/news/lamar30_1_lamar-eco-legal-alliance
Also remember that besides the Lawson Lamar election in 2008, there was also an election going on for Sheriff. Here is a link:
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-11-06/news/ed062_1_demings-term-limits-voters-elected
Sheriff Kevin Beary did not run for re-election in 2008. The Caylee case ran from July 16 to the finding of her remains on Dec. 11, 2008. The new Sheriff took over in Jan. 2009 so the bulk of the Caylee investigation was done while Kevin Beary was Sheriff.
NEJAME
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/crime-law-justice/justice-system/lawyers/mark-nejame-PEBSL000017.topic
A collection of articles about Mark NeJame or where he is quoted.
Mark’s background as a criminal defense attorney and renowned trial attorney has been recognized by numerous organizations. He is a lecturer and speaker and has been a featured speaker for the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the National Association of Black Narcotics Officers and numerous other Law Enforcement Groups. Mark NeJame is the Past President of the Central Florida Criminal Defense Lawyers Association. He has been recognized in the Bar Register of Preeminent Attorneys, which acknowledges but a small number of the leading lawyers in the United States. He is also AV rated, the highest possible rating given by Martindale Hubbell, the nation’s leading lawyer rating publication. He has been the subject of numerous newspaper and magazine articles being referred to as ” The Power Worthy”, ” Orlando’s Own Johnny Cochran”, “Defender is a Contender”, “Orlando Power Couple”, “Orlando’s 50 Most Powerful People” and the “Voice for the Voiceless”. Mark NeJame was recently named Number 26 in the 2009 edition of Orlando Magazine’s Most Powerful, the highest ranking for any private attorney in Orlando
http://www.nejamelaw.com/orlando-criminal-defense-attorney/defense-attorney-nejame.html
http://fusedfashion.blogspot.com/2011/06/orlandos-power-couple-mark-josie-nejame.html
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VQcasMbbj-E/TgAMLlFxUlI/AAAAAAAAA5Y/5YZWClg3kfs/s1600/screen-capture-24.png
Further to this morning’s thoughts re the power players. Here is a link informing why<M ;eft tje CAGA case/
http://www.nejamelaw.com/mark-nejame-in-the-news/NeJame-resigns-from-representing-Anthonys.htm
SEAN KRAUSE – MONEY TRAIL
“One of the concepts is money, and lots of it. I doubt that Casey Anthony had any involvement, she was too busy being a party girl to have anything to do with the sharp end. However, there is some speculation that Casey Anthony may have been involved in some sex and drug activity”
As I mentioned before, there are names that crop up again and again, shell companies, inactive companies, and strange associations. What bothers me is that one of those names is Mark NeJame.”
http://justice4caylee.forumotion.net/t2254-the-money-trail
Article quoted is by Simon Barrett of BNN
Mentioning the name Peter Benevides seems to be a real conversation killer. Several folks that I know quite well headed for the hills at the mention of the name. Benevides is so hot, people melt. Rumors are wonderful things, I’ll share what I have been told, his folks pack heat, and you basically do not want to mess with Mr Benevides.
Planes and Cars are his main schtick, and a wander around http://www.sunbiz.org shows that. Peter owns several lucrative operations. At the forefront is the car rental, but the big one is the business jets.
When you play around in the jet interests some really interesting things start to emerge. Peter Benevides is open about being from Venezuela. And there is anecdotal evidence that Pedro is the Spanish spelling of Peter. Indeed there are a couple of corporations registered at the same location as Pedro Benevides.
Is this the same guy that is mentioned here?
So here are some questions, and think long and hard before you answer:
What is in it for Peter?
What has Mark NeJame got to do in this?
Yes i know that I have left NeJame out until this point, but my little friends tell me he has more to say.
No. none of these people were involved in killing Caylee Anthony. They were not the folks responsible for ‘dead body odor’. But what does amaze me is how strange this case has become. A look at South Orange Avenue should excite everyone. Who lives there? Who hangs out there?
There is little doubt in my mind that Peter Benevides is the money guy.
Never Lose Hope Foundation and Kidfinders are saying that the ‘Bat Boat’ was funded by an anonymous source. It would not surprise me to find that Peter Benevides was the person.
Of course the question I have is why would he want to? People do not get rich being nice?
I will add a new element, why would Mark NeJame be involved? NeJame is a class act, he has a great resume. Why would he want to play in this sand box? That is another story.
I will say this, Pedro Benevides has a resume that scares me. More than one person has suggested that in order to maintain a healthy lifestyle I should find a new hobby.
By no means am I done with this story. But for the doubters, I have now named the name!
I can not verify this, but, no one is willing to deny it. Read this, is this the same guy?
Simon Barrett
My good friend Sean Krause was the pilgrim, and the more I dig, the more I realize that Sean was indeed very close to unlocking the devious knot before Cancer stole him from us.
I sense that Sean was on the same quest, and I share his belief that something smells bad. I have spent countless hours deviling in the paperwork, the trail is there, but it is complex. There are some common themes whichever direction I take. There are names and concepts that keep reoccurring. One of the concepts is money, and lots of it. I doubt that Casey Anthony had any involvement, she was too busy being a party girl to have anything to do with the sharp end. However, there is some speculation that Casey Anthony may have been involved in some sex and drug activity.
As I mentioned before, there are names that crop up again and again, shell companies, inactive companies, and strange associations. What bothers me is that one of those names is Mark NeJame.
The other name that keeps popping up is Peter Benevides. While I cannot find a direct link between them (yet) there are several indirect links. And you can bet I am hunting hard. While I am not sure how much credibility I have in this, but read this article.
I am sure that Sean was working on this same connection. It is way too hot for the MSM (Main Stream Media). Some information surfaced today that I found interesting. Sean had a heart of gold and a mouth that needed washing out! Obviously Jan and I loved the guy! Sean was ready to launch a story about NeJame, but was talked out of it. Sean was a dog, he loved to dig, and he would not launch a story unless he was 150% certain he was right. I am walking in his shoes, I think the story he had put Casey Anthony as a bit player, someone in the wrong place at the wrong time. In fact she is just an unfortunate inconvenience. But, there is that old saying ‘Honor amongst thieves’.
I smell the cleaning of George Washington’s! There is big money involved. I am sure that Sean could smell the same thing. What I do not know is how NeJame talked Sean out of publishing. It is not clear that it was a threat, in fact it seems that it was a tease for some personal help. Of course that help never materialized, and Sean is now dead.
I am reasonably certain that Mark NeJame will read this article. So, Mark drop me a line, and we will be happy talk to you. (Just click on the big black box on the right of the screen, that is the email link).
Simon Barrett.
http://beaconhell.com/blog/2008/10/14/websleuths-continues-to-sanitize-the-ltwh-scandal/
(Light The Way Home) Part of the money trail.
I spoke with the Georgia Secretary of State’s office this morning and was advised that there is NO nonprofit registered in the State of Georgia under the name “Lighting the Way Home”. The person I spoke with stated that they “do not umbrella”. Anyone professing to be a nonprofit in the State of Georgia must be registered as such. As a result, a call was placed to the Attorney General’s Consumer Affairs office for follow-up.
Please feel free to contact the Georgia Secretary of State at 404-656-2817 to inquire as to the authenticity of the claims from the founder of Lighting the Way Home. Being that this information is also housed at Websleuths, the Utah Attorney General can now get involved. Just sayin’.
http://beaconhell.com/blog/2008/10/15/bh-errors-more-ltwh-info/
I find it despicable that she is using the death of a little girl to shill her wares. Â Repeatedly, she has posted in the Caylee forum, which is the most trafficed forum on Websleuths, that she needs buyers of background checks and swag for WS to continue operating, and for her to pay her bills.
I’ve also dug up additional information on Lighting the Way Home, the nonprofit organization which is now “housed” within Websleuths’ forums.  Founder, Christine Jones issued a public statement to her forum members stating the following:   “I am going to set the end date for my participation in Lighting the Way Home at  May 15, 2008. On that day, I will terminate Lighting the Way Home’s 501 (c)(3) status”. However, according to the Georgia Secretary of State, there has NEVER been a 501(c)(3) called “Lighting the Way Home”.
http://beaconhell.com/blog/2008/10/25/t-shirts-and-mugs-picturessort-of-and-pathetic-behavior/
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Any wonder YM felt at home there?
Father/Daughter prostitution ring busted (2008) but the article states the investigation started a year before. Article also mentions the father was former LE (NJ) and that one woman from Ohio and one woman from New York were also arrested on conjunction with this ring
http://www.co.bergen.nj.us/PressClipsPDF/012308f.pdf
Man Wanted For Allegedly Forcing Daughter Into Prostitution
http://www.wftv.com/news/18389400/detail.html
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 – updated: 12:33 pm EST December 31, 2008
PALM COAST, Fla. — Flagler County deputies are searching for a man they say forced hundreds of children into child pornography. They also believe he forced his own daughter into prostitution and it may have been happening for the last ten years.
Alton Everett Smith is on the run from the law, the sheriff’s office said, and he may be in the Daytona Beach area.
Smith is accused of using a photography business and a makeshift studio in his own home to take sexually-explicit pictures of hundreds of children.
Investigators believe he may be on his sailboat, possible in the Intracoastal Waterway.
The details are coming to light because investigators arrested Smith’s daughter for prostitution, only to learn her father was setting up the deals for her. Investigators went to Smith’s Palm Coast home and saw the child pictures, along with cameras set up to broadcast sex acts live on the Internet.
What started as a very simple prostitution investigation, the sheriffs office said, has unraveled into a huge case.
More info at this link: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-77300.html
Here is article about Alton Smith and his family:
http://www.news-journalonline.com/special/childporn/frtHEAD01FLAG010109.htm
Interesting that they were originally charged on Dec. 12, 2008. The day after Caylee’s remains were found. The father and daughter then skipped bail and took off on the sailboat.
Here’s another case from Daytona Beach:
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-02-03/news/os-daytona-desert-inn-hotel-raided-20110202_1_ormond-beach-man-dirtiest-hotels-cell-phones
Also interesting that Alton Smith was re-captured a couple of weeks before GA’s suicide attempt in Daytona Beach. Daytona is between Palm Coast and New Smyrna Beach.
1984 ` If anyone would rather watch then read.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5464625623984168940#
TO Kill A Mocking Bird
http://bit.ly/qjwmP7
I think JB wants you to double post 1 to the blog july 10 & 1 to this site to keep the evidence together. not post to the blog on this site to post to the evidence at the top
Again I’m going back to july 10th blog
Elijan & Juan Miguel Gonzalez
http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,20000501,00.html
Mitchell reports live on-camera in Washington, D.C. studio. (ej=2:11) Father of six-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez, Juan Miguel Gonzalez, exits home in Bethesda, Maryland with wife Nelsey Carmenate and their infant son Hianny Gonzalez. At outdoor press conference, Juan Miguel’s lawyer Gregory Craig says Juan is suffering while his son Elian is being exploited by his relatives in Miami. Cameramen seen. Craig says the Miami relatives have emotionally damaged Elian while breaking the law. Car and sport utility vehicle (carrying Juan Miguel and family members) seen. Juan Miguel sits with Transafrica director Randall Robinson; author and political commentator Tavis Smiley and woman during photo-op. Graphic “Daily News” picture of Juan Miguel and supers “I want him to be whatever he wants to be when he grows up…I just want him to be able to change the world somehow” seen. At an outdoor press conference Robinson says Juan Miguel is pained and disturbed by not being able to see his son. Obscured shot of Juan Miguel standing outdoors. In interview Reverend Joan Brown Campbell says Elian is being told to resist his father. Split screen shots of Juan Miguel and Elian’s great uncle Lazaro Gonzalez (in Miami, Florida) seen. Elian Gonzalez seen climbing on fence in Miami. Craig says the law must be respected and Attorney General Janet Reno must enforce the law adding Elian must be returned to his father. Juan Miguel Nelsy walk with man and carry Hianny. In outdoor interview in Washington, D.C.; Senator Patrick Leahy says it is frustrating for Juan Miguel because he keeps asking why the US cannot enforce the laws. Mitchell reports live on-camera in Washington, D.C.
http://www.nbcuniversalarchives.com/nbcuni/clip/5113597821_s04.do
HollysG please go back to the July site we’re going to loose this thread cause we’re on the wrong date (scroll up please & read my post)
Jul 13, 2005 – Defendant, Juan Miguel Gonzalez, appeals his convictions and sentences … importation of containers from Ecuador into South Florida while …
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/unpub/ops/200313611.pdf
(Deliver of Cocaine to Orlando specifically mentioned)
MIGUEL GONZALEZ JR., 53, Orlando, died Wednesday. Gail & Wynn’s Mortuary, Orlando.
http://www.zap2it.com/news/os-daily-deathlist-050811-20110507,0,1946311.story
Juan Gonzalez
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Hialeah, FL
Miami, FL
Rosa E Gonzalez
Ana Maria Cabrera
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Miami, FL
Miami, FL
Miami, FL
Jorge L Gonzalez
Victor M Gonzalez
Orencia M Gonzalez
Juan Gonzalez
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Kissimmee, FL
Miami, FL
Orlando, FL
Nicholas J Gonzanes
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Marion, OH
Violeta S Gonzalez
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Victor Alberto Gonzalez
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Santos A Gonzalez
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Orlando, FL
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Sonia Oyola
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Brooklyn, NY
Rose M Gonzalez
http://www.reunion.com/juangonzalez/18/
DC Number: 167243
Name: GONZALEZ, JUAN
Race: HISPANIC
Sex: MALE
Hair Color: BLACK
Eye Color: BROWN
Height: 5’04”
Weight: 172 lbs.
Birth Date: 06/30/1970
Release Facility: COLUMBIA C.I.
Custody: CLOSE
Release Date: 01/11/2006
Special Note:
See Detainer Section
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Stated Residence Upon Release:
352 PRAISE RD
PIERSON, FL 32180
Aliases:
JUAN GONZALEZ
Current Prison Sentence History:
Offense Date Offense Sentence Date County Case No. Prison Sentence Length
02/14/2003 TRAFF COCAINE 28-U/200GR 06/03/2003 ORANGE 0301904 3Y 0M 0D
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/InmatePhotos/1/167243.jpg
http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/documents/casey-anthony-Binder22975-23220-1102.pdf anyone notice that the apartment for juan gonzalez on his old address nautical way is apartment 210? it is on page 66 of that document above
i just it was odd to see there, with the whole 210 apartment at sawgrass
oh and on page 130 check it out with the attachment above, notice the drawing of RK’s why does it say 8-10-08 i wonder? did they just mark it wrong and meant the 11th?
KP you guys need to go back to the July10 thread all this information is going to be lost cause you’ll are posting on a NOV 2010 site
I give up I guess JBMISS is going to have to fix this misunderstanding
The information will not be lost, Lisa. This thread was written in November of 2010, but we can continue to comment on any thread (story) here and the comments will not be lost.
HollysGMom–JUAN MIGUEL GONZALEZ : JAccording to AIMCO records produced pursuant to subpoena (Vol.1:40, et seq.), Juan Miguel Gonzalez was employed on May 21,2008 as a service technician at the Sawgrass Apartments. (In his application, he averred that he had not been convicted of a felony, but there was no proof AIMCO had completed the background check.) As a benefit of employment, he was offered an apartment in the complex at a discount. Records indicate that he planned to relocate there within a couple of weeks of his employment as his lease at Signal Court terminated May 30. Although AIMCO management requested preparation of a lease, I do not find the lease among the documents produced pursuant to the subpoena, so I am assuming he didn’t move there.. The manager’s July 1 email informing of his resignation as of July 2, 2008, records the meeting with him and describes his behavior over the preceding two weeks as ” acting oddly” and “stand-offish” and that tenants had complained about his conduct. Gonzalez’s reasons for his resignation on one day’s notice were that he didn’t “feel safe” and talked about his “peace of mind” because the complex was on the market. Despite reassurances of continued employment, he quit. According to the manager’s email, he had gone up to New York for one day the week before and taken a job.. During the time he was employed there, Zenaida Gonzales viewed a Sawgrass apartment.
I have been reading here since the beginning (because you guys are awesome), but have never commented.
I just read an article that included info I have never heard and I am wondering if anyone here has read this or if there is more info about it.
Link:
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/177632/20110711/casey-anthony-calyee-murder-charged-duct-tape-medical-examination-autopsy-evidences-circumstances.htm
The article is about Dr. G and the role of medical examiners in criminal cases, but what caught m attention was the following:
“…When questioned, Casey told the police that Caylee drowned in the family swimming pool while
Casey’s father was minding her. Casey later admitted to hiding the body and lying.
In her defense, she also said that she was afraid of her father because he had sexually abused
her.
Police and prosecutors dismissed the story as just another lie on a par with Casey’s yarns about
the nonexistent nanny, her nonexistent job with Universal Studios and a nonexistent boyfriend with
a trust fund, the report said…..”
WTH? I have read nearly every document released, I have never seen this statement. When did she tell police this story and why wouldn’t that had come out during the trial?
I am wondering if it could have been revealed in closed door discussions regarding a plea deal, possibly early in the process. If so, that would have remained confidential, as any conversation related to a deal can not be used at a later time as evidence against you and would never be released to the public.
Anyway, this is very interesting to me and I thought if this is out there someone here will know.
Welcome 3jayhawks,
I wonder where ibtimes got this information. I wonder if Dr G had this information.
Where is everybody?
HollysGmom, I think you missed my post above. The link to the mugshot of JMG cannot be the Gonzalez that worked at Sawgrass unless he lied about his birthdate on his employement records. But the difference is too much to be reasonable. He gave September 2, 1980 as his birthdate. That makes him 31 this September. Another Virgo. It will be very difficuult to match this person anywhere because the name is so common. I think you will need to see his middle name and birth date to know you have the right one.
Sorry Zuben, I wasn’t looking at dates or DOBs. I was just pulling any Juan Gonzalez that were from Orlando or that had one of the “unlocated” as a relative. I guess I was thinking we could sort them out later.
His middle name is Miguel from the documents. I am still unsure of the birthdate but I think from descriptions of him by Amanda (?) that we can deduce if he was younger, older, or near the same age as her. Like did she use any age descriptors etc.
His DOB is listed on doc page 23040 along with his driver’s license number.
The “stand-offish” Sawgrass Gonzalez is not the coke distributor who did time. I really doubt that the Sawgrass employee had anything had to do with the Anthony mess.
Whicha wayy did yall go? I caught a twain i did, all by my selfff i tawt a twain.