The JB Mission

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  theJBmission

  October 18, 2010 at 3:56 pm

  Zuben said:
  Who was she calling with a Ft. Lauderdale cell, possibly while she was at the park? Why would TL go all the way over there to put gas in her car? Calling this number and being at the park would fit the 2nd story, that Caylee was taken away from her at the park. Could she have left her with someone on the 16th and was supposed to meet at the park to get her and this is where she tried to call her, finding the number had been disconnected? If that had happened though, Chris S is where she went to feel safe, not TL.
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  Great observation!! Yes, Chris S is where she would feel safe.. with her “base friends” as Annie D had mentioned.
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  theJBmission

  October 18, 2010 at 4:06 pm

  Zuben, according to my timeline,
  TUE, June 17th – Casey backs car in the garage. Jesse called Casey. She told him her Mom told her to move out; parents not going to give her the house because they are getting a divorce. At 2:30pm Casey is back at Anthony home. Cell phone towers detect pinging in remote area nr. Orlando Airport. Did you find cell pings near the Airport too??
  according to my timeline,
  WED, June 18th – Approximately 1:30 p.m. at Anthony home. Casey borrowed shovel from neighbor (Mr. Brian Burner). She had shovel for approx. 45 mins. – 1 hr. ??
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  damagdpets

  October 18, 2010 at 5:57 pm

  Zuben! Another amazing post! You and JB must have the patience of saints. I know I have tried colating several cell phones and text message scenarios in this case but get too frustrated. Thanks to both of you for the hard work you put in. NO BS! I appreciate the drive you have. It speaks volumes to your character and fairness the way you go about this case.

  The shovel; Mr Burner
  Pages 1388-89 discusses the shovel. He was not sure about date, 18 or 19th. He did say it was approx. 1:30 and she came back approx. 2:30. I am guessing it was the 18th because starting at 12:34-13:09 she was calling G & C and the house to make sure they were not at home. My speculation.
  http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4823775/Casey-Anthony-Brian-Burner-interview

  JB, I also saw the cell phone pings near the airport. I read a little on the cell site that they can vary up to 3 miles. Even 1 radius mile on a map is a lot of ground to cover. There are a lot of overlapping in some of the cell sites. What I’m trying to say is that trying to place KC by cell phone pings can only be generalized because of the huge coverage. I wished it were more exact. Without the GPS features that are available today it’s tough goin.
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  damagdpets

  October 18, 2010 at 6:20 pm

  Zuben & JB, I can’t find anymore docs on the computers other than what was put out originally. In talking with one of my friends, I posed the question of the info erased. His background is computer forensics CPA. He told me that the average person would really not have the knowledge to erase info that can be found on the hard drive. In his investigations he has found emails, FB, spread sheets that the owner thought they erased. Myself not very astute in the computer area but based on the aforementioned…..don’t you suppose the police forensics would have come up with more? Why are we missing so much discovery? Time is of the essence and it seems both sides are holding back. I don’t believe the state has a smoking gun piece of evidence and Baez & Mason will have to show their hand shortly.
  I’m having a hard time coming down to the wire with what’s being shown in discovery.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 18, 2010 at 8:49 pm

  Oh, I didn’t see this thread before. JB, I don’t see her at the International airport area that day. She does go near the Executive airport anytime she goes from TL’s to the home area though. The furthest South she pings is the one South of the home near Johnson’s wrecker that is commonly hit while in that home area. Or did I miss something. She is at the home area until 4:05pm then hits the Hess gas station at 4:36 pm but the Hess receipt that TL gave LE was time stamped 18:31 which is 6:30 pm. I haven’t figured out how this one is possible unless she is near the Hess station, goes to the park area at 5:20-5:23 then goes back the the Hess station at 6:30 so Tony can fill her up during one of the rare times her phone is quiet (17:23-20:23) Now, it is possible she traded Tony cars at the Hess area then visited Chris during the silent time, instead of staying in the park area. But why go to the Hess area twice? One other possibility is that she was at Jesse’s house at 4:30 or so. He lives near the Hess station.

  So, why didn’t LE ask why Casey was driving his car that day she visited Chris S and where her car was at that time?

  Thanks, Damagdpets. It makes my head spin for sure, especially since Google earth uses degrees and minutes but the records use decimals for the minutes, very time consuming. I’ll double check to see if I missed the airport area though. I agree there seems to be a lot missing that should have been gathered and investigated in the digital forensics area. The only reason I can think of they would leave that out is that it doesn’t help their case against her. They are always supposed to turn over anything exculpatory though so they will likely get busted if they hide anything. At least I hope so. I know those deleted messages are still retrievable and most likely the full headers on at least some of the emails. It only takes a subpoena for the social networking sites and the IM IDs.

  Well, I’m beat. Have a great night all.
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  theJBmission

  October 18, 2010 at 11:43 pm

  Zuben,
  Very interesting..do you think Baez has supoened FB & MySpace. Maybe this is where some of the correspondence took place. There has to be a reason all of the digital forensics are not released.
  What else I find odd is that Casey wants to be there when Baez deposes LEO’s. Maybe she’s looking for a face? Just another thought that crossed my mind.
  I might have dreamt this but I seem to recall another Cop in training besides Rusciano who was fired. I believe I heard this on NG. Just wanted to know if anyone else remembers this.
  Oh well, I’m off to bed too. Good night.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 19, 2010 at 6:59 am

  Good morning. I’m sure if there was communication though these tools JB would have checked it out. But, would we know what subpoenas he asks for by being listed in the criminal court docket or could he go to a different judge to ask for it? A July/08 communication from ATT said they don’t store text content or multimedia but I hope Myspace and Facebook do. Scammers set up accounts there and at places like match.com.

  As for the deposition, if there is someone Casey knew by a different name or can’t remember the name she would need to see them but a picture would do I guess. Perhaps she needs to face them so she can whisper to JB when she hears something different than she remembers? I think she should have the right to be at any of them. After all, if she were defending herself she would have the right and we all have the right to face our accusors. Jesse is the cop in training you are thinking of. I don’t believe Rusciano was still in training though, was he?

  I was up super early this morning with the intention of double checking the pings on the 17th before going on to my real work, but got side tracked as usual. I discovered what the E164 column in the phone records is. It identifies the phone she is using and there is more than one identifier, 3 to be exact. Just before it changes E164 numbers on the morning of June 15 she calls herself, which I’ve been assuming is checking her voice mail. She then sends two texts to herself at the exact same time. What would she be doing here? Usually when we see 2 entries at the same exact time it is a call to voicemail with the following being who the call was from, never texts. I need the help of cell phone owners because I don’t have one. Should I be embarrassed?
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  diane

  October 19, 2010 at 9:41 am

  I am curious about Caseys cell phones she had esp. the blackberry she said she had lost. She said she switched out the Sims card which holds your info so would not the same info be on the last phone she had, since she used the same Sims card. Also I wondered if LE could not find the blackberry phone numer from old phone records and get the records on it.Also the bat phones wonder if info can be retrived from them, why would people need bat phones anyway. I did not understand, I guess my life is an open book so I have nothing to hide did they?
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 19, 2010 at 10:07 am

  Her sim card is not identical to the Nokia phone memory contacts so I would say that she did have that sim card in another phone at one time. She said she kept the same number for both. If someone else stole that phone, I would think the calls are already shown on her phone bill. That is what I’m wondering with the different E164 numbers. Another thing I need to know is what it would look like on the phone bill if a call is forwarded either to or from that number.

  The bat phones were bought because LE was taping the family phones. I don’t blame them for getting new ones. Their privacy was being invaded. If LE had cause to suspect them of something they should have investigated and charged them, IMO. They crossed a boundary I don’t think was justified. They reported Caylee missing, gave them the computers and car without a subpoena, etc. They were helping them and didn’t deserve to have their phones tapped. Again, my opinion.
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  Hazaka

  October 19, 2010 at 10:23 am

  ZubenElSchemali
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  Hi there — occassionally — if I want to “remind” myself of something … I WILL send myself a text — or leave a voice mail to myself! Better than writing a note …and then losing it! Or…some one else find it…. ’cause I can text me in “code” …..
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 19, 2010 at 10:30 am

  Oh, thank you. So, you can send yourself a text and it will show your number both times and of course, would be the same time for send and receive. Now, what would she be reminding her self of on Father’s day morning, to get her dad a card maybe?
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  wow

  October 19, 2010 at 12:43 pm

  Hi JB, you know of course that I believe totally in Casey’s guilt, but understand that there are some who see it other ways. I appreciate that the times I pop in I am allowed my point of view. I simply do not believe a word that Casey says. If for one MINUTE she had even an iota of information that someone else did this, her self centered butt would not be sitting in jail for all this time. All the evidence points to Casey, a lot points to a clean up on the part of the Anthony family. If this were my grandchild, and my daughter, I would be doing whatever I could to work with LE, not trying to impede the investigation with lies. I would not need a throw away phone that LE could not hear me on, why would I not want them to hear me? If my granddaughter were missing and presumed dead at my daughters hand, I would not need a phone to either make social plans, or carry on an affair or whatever “innocent” reason one could come up with as a reason they needed to do this.
  Sadly Caylee was born into a family of liars and egotists, she didn’t matter that much to any of them.
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  thejbmission

  October 19, 2010 at 1:40 pm

  Hello Wow, nice to see you here.
  I want to say, I understand why you don’t believe a word from Casey and I’ll admit early on I didn’t either. I’ll try to explain what changed my mind.
  As weird as this may sound, the turning point for me was the trip to Universal Studios. It was surreal to me that a sane person would drag LE to a “pretend” place of employment and think that she would not be found out. I found it comical really.
  At that point, I thought, game over. She was on the verge or telling the truth, she’ll either produce a live Caylee or tell a sad story about leaving her child in a hot car, etc….but it didn’t happen. Then I began to wonder, if there was something else going on. Remember Caylee’s father is a mystery, so it seemed obvious to me that he may somehow be involved.
  I continued to believe this until Caylee’s body was found on Dec 11th. I was devastated along with the rest of the world. I was sure then that Casey was lying the entire time. I was positive, I was duped by this lying POS and LE will now have everything they need to prove her guilt. They found nothing physically to tie her to the remains.
  When I heard Kronk’s fishy story of how and when he found Caylee and there wasn’t the evidence I had expected, that’s when I knew there was more to this case. As dabbled more into the evidence, I was shocked to find out just “how” much more.
  Wow, I don’t begrudge anyone for thinking Casey killed her daughter. I don’t begrudge anyone who thinks I’m crazy for thinking otherwise as long as we can agree there’s other possibilities. This is not a cut and dried case.
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  thejbmission

  October 19, 2010 at 1:59 pm

  Zuben, No, don’t be embarrassed. One my good friends considers her cell phone a tracking device. She hates it. My only gripe about cellphones is they’re becoming too complicated for me. I only need a phone to make and receive calls…not check my email and surf the web. I think my favorite cell phone was the first one I had over 10yrs ago. I guess I’m telling my age in more ways than one.
  Like you, I’m puzzled how Casey can call herself and at the same time text message. But…as you know, I’m convinced she has at least 2 phones.
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  thejbmission

  October 19, 2010 at 2:26 pm

  hi diane,
  I may be wrong, so anyone feel free to correct me but I don’t think Sims cards store all data. I think the Sims card has more to do with the operation of the cellphone it came from. It may store contact phone #’s, but probably not text msgs along with time stamps of previous calls.
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  damagdpets

  October 19, 2010 at 3:31 pm

  ZubenElSchemali
  October 19, 2010 at 10:07 am “Their privacy was being invaded”

  You have to be able to look at it from both sides. LE was continually lied to, G&C really did mess with evidence and the whole family was holding on to some leads they got. The Anthony’s were circumventing an investigation. There are many lies in the interviews with the family but legally would serve no purpose to charge them with obstruction until after trial. We are currently playing Monday morning quarterback. The 1st few weeks of this were crucial to the investigation. I can understand what they did…..did it help…..I have not seen discovery on that.

  As an American citizen I believe in my rights and I have nothing to hide. The sky is not falling and no one is coming to take my guns….that’s a ha…ha….If my daughter or granddaughter were missing my soul would be on the table with LE rather than TV.
  LE and the FBI had way more resources than a kid that wanted to play PI.
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  diane

  October 19, 2010 at 3:36 pm

  I would like to see Cindys cell phone records. Instead of calling Amy first since she had Zannys telephone number I would have called Zanny to check on Caylee. She also said she had Zannys address so it would make sense to even go to this address before contacting Amy to go get Casey. Does this make sense? I think Cindy lied about all of this. I think she did call the number Casey gave her and found out it was not Zannys number. Val on hinkymeter has done a lot of research on all the lies Cindy,Lee and George told interesting reading.
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  diane

  October 19, 2010 at 3:46 pm

  Damagdpets, I agree, if my granddaughter were missing they could strip me naked if it would help to find her, I would be ok with it. That is the reason I admire men like John Walsh and Mark Klause both were men who were willing to do anything to find their child taking poloys and etc. they did everything in their power to help LE even if they were looked at as suspects. This IMO is how it should be when you are innocent and nothing to hide.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 19, 2010 at 4:53 pm

  Oh, I do see it from both sides but I don’t see that George or Cindy messed with evidence. Cindy did nothing but take things out of the car to air, wash the slacks, the only clothing, and put the butter knife back in the kitchen to be washed and returned to the drawer. Le didn’t think so either or else they wouldn’t have waited 24 hours to decide to take the car. Then knew from the 911 call forward what Cindy said. Yes, she made the comment she should have given them the dog tooth brush, in a private email to DC. She was making a smart a$$ed comment because she was pi$$ed at them. I can’t say that I would avoid TV if my loved one was missing. The only leads LE gets are the ones coming from the public. The public can’t know unless they are reached with the news and photographs, the more the better. I don’t criticize them for that at all. Now, I know Belich brought out the worst in them but doesn’t she do that with everyone? The pizza comment could easily and reasonable have come from George saying he saw maggots in the box and garbage bag that held it. I don’t think I can agree that they lied about anything. There have been a couple of statements I’ve seen referred to that peple say they are lying but when I checked closely, the comment was taken out of context and the statement before made clear what they were saying.If they were trying to cover anything why would they call in the first place and voluntarily hand over everything they did, without a warrant? The thanks they were given is their house was trashed twice later on. I agree they got less cooperative but I can see why after listening to and reading everything.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 19, 2010 at 5:10 pm

  Good point, Diane, since she said she had a number for Zanny except from her perspective she trusted her daughter and believe she was keeping her from grandma, not that Caylee was missing. A grandmother doesn’t have legal rights in most places so the issue needed to be dealt with between her and Casey, not her and the babysitter. Also, hadn’t Casey said she was with her, most recently? I think she said they were together with Jeff Hopkins, didn’t she? So why would Cindy call someone other than Casey?

  The only other thing I have to say about George, Cindy and Lee’s behavior is that everthing I listed to in those very early days was completely open and cooperative. It wasn’t until they realized LE had only one goal and agenda, gathering evidence against Casey and in favor of a dead grand daughter. That is when they stopped cooperating. How would you feel if people were calling saying they saw Caylee and all LE would do is say she is dead and your daughter murdered her? I understand where they were coming from and saw their attitude change.
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  diane

  October 19, 2010 at 5:37 pm

  Sorry Zuben but have to disagree. There may not be grandparents rights in Fla. but that would not stop me from contacting a babysitter about my grandchild. When my grown daughter and my granddaughter lived with me I pretty well knew her business money ,childcare, etc. I worked as a nurse helped with the grandchild while my daughter went to school and worked parttime. I guess I am old-fashioned and would require my daughter to let me know things because she lived in my home. I have even heard of grandparents taking their grandchildren from the parent due to abuse or neglect. I guess I just have a hard time understanding the dynamics in the Anthony household because my home was way different. My children were brought up not to lie, steal or be lazy. My son is an electrictian and my daughter is a registered nurse and they are bringing their children up with the same values. The Anthony family has my sympathy but in the same breath I would have to say they need to take some responibility for what has happened to Casey. What could have happened that Casey did not trust her parents enough to go to them when she was in trouble? I know even if my daughter killed my grandchild that would not stop me from loving her and standing by her without all the covering up and lying, what would be so bad that Casey will not even see them in jail? This family makes my head spin and lord knows I think all of them need some kind of help.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 19, 2010 at 6:47 pm

  What are you saying they did with the motive of covering up? I understand what you are saying about how your family is but if we knew everything then it might not seem so strange. And even the best of upbringing doesn’t guarantee that all of the children abide by the same moral ethics or conduct. People that lie a lot usually do so because of low self esteem and because they are afraid to say the truth out of fear of rejection or judgment. If Cindy had extremely high expectations Casey may have feared her judgment and condemnation. Casey may have been afraid of her mom being ashamed of her, if in fact she had threatened to take Caylee away, as is rumored. Look at what Lee said Cindy’s reaction was when she came into the room to find Casey in tears. She said, “What have you done”, not what’s wrong. It was an accusation directed at Casey without knowing why she was crying.

  There is no doubt in my mind JB has ordered no visits for their own good because of the ridiculous nit picking that takes place in the media and on the blogs. They should stay away until or unless the Judge protects their privacy and seals the videos.
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  damagdpets

  October 19, 2010 at 7:46 pm

  Diane, You are a breath of fresh air. I raised my children the same way. My youngest is still at college and when he comes home to visit the same rules apply. I have been very fortunate with my kids. They freely talk about whats going on in their lives and ask for advice but that does not mean they always follow it. I am very lucky!!
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  theJBmission

  October 19, 2010 at 7:46 pm

  Hypothetically, if Cindy had a phone number of a person she thought was the babysitter. Lets say CA speaks to this person, lets say CA asks her if Caylee is there. Even if this person tells Cindy, “yes she’s here, but you can’t talk to her”. Legally, what could Cindy do? Call the police, tell them my 22yo daughter won’t let me talk to my grand daughter?
  Clearly this didn’t happen. But who’s to say, Cindy didn’t make a few phone calls and was told she had the wrong number. We don’t know what happened on or about July 3rd. That’s what bothers me the most.
  diane, I agree, it wouldn’t hurt to see Cindy’s phone record. It seems likely that LE has the Anthony home phone records?? I don’t know why they wouldn’t. If they don’t then this just validates the fact that LE refused to take the likelihood of a kidnapping seriously. Just like they didn’t take the smell of the trunk seriously by leaving the car for 24hrs in the driveway.
  Zuben, I agree with you. I think Cindy in the beginning was cooperative with LE until she realized that they were only looking at Casey as a murderer. I think LE jumped to conclusions and as a result left a lot of questions unanswered. Just like the majority of people, LE thought they could break Casey and they didn’t. So the door to the possibility of a kidnapping will always remain closed because it was never seriously investigated.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 19, 2010 at 7:56 pm

  You know, even if I thought my daughter could be capable of this, I would need to investigate both possibilities fully and completely before eliminating either or deciding on one as true and the other as false. I could never only search for a dead child if there was a chance she was alive because every passing day would make the trail colder and memories fade. You know what would be an even greater tragedy than Caylee dying prematurely? Being alive on July 15 but being presumed dead until it was too late.
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  theJBmission

  October 19, 2010 at 8:13 pm

  Zuben,
  “You know what would be an even greater tragedy than Caylee dying prematurely? Being alive on July 15 but being presumed dead until it was too late.”
  As far as we know now?? This may very well be the case. Good point but a sad thought.
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  diane

  October 19, 2010 at 9:48 pm

  I agree about searching for live Caylee at first. but when the lying started and Casey admitted she lied then I would begin to suspect something else was going on. I think we have not seen all things also it is my understanding that if SOA and the defense do a depo together a transcript does not need to be released so maybe that is why DC depo is not out there. There has been so much released I get confused and have to read things again and again for it to make sense. I can understand some of Cindys action at first but after Caylees body was found no need to continue to misdirect things like Caylee is still alive {then who did you cremete}. I still try very hard to try to be objective but at times I find myself looking at this from a juriors view and cannot for the life of me explain Caseys actions and no nanny or Jeff or Juliet or Gloria or others Casey had talked about. Also Casey was a photo buff and no pictures of these people. I think unless one of these people are found Caseys defense is in an uphill battle to save her life. It seems to me they are now directing most of their efforts on the penalty phase now.I do want justice done but I want her to get the best defense possible, but as we can see for ourselves she is getting a dream team but Misty Croslin is not because she was not directed on how to work the system. We sure do not see all these lawyers running to her rescue and she is much younger than Casey even though SOA has not charged her with murder yet because of no body. If they do I wonder how many lawyers will run to her side.
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  damagdpets

  October 19, 2010 at 9:52 pm

  Guys, If you go back through docstoc, LE was following up on tons of leads pertaining to Caylee sightings. This was not a slam dunk. Their investigation started on the 15th tracking down what KC told them and after media hit they investigated sightings and tips as part of the ongoing investigation. If there was a Zaneida, her mother, aunt, sister and kids, Juliet lewis and Jeff Hopkins…they had 31 days to move away from where KC said they lived, get new phones, change their names,etc.

  At trial I believe the forensics will approximate her death to June- July by the plant growth that held part of the skeletal remains down.

  The statement that you made was very unfair. You make it sound like LE killed Caylee on or about the 15th of July. I sure hope I’m reading this wrong. If you would have said June 18th I might agree. 31 days and lies do not add up to LE or the FBI in being responsible for Caylee’s disappearance and death. They spent the evening of the 15th and all morning of the 16th varifying what KC told them. They tried….what did they get? Then Baez took over and would not let her talk to anyone…. the information from the last person to see Caylee was STOPPED. That was LE’s fault? After 31 days and 12 hours with the only person that could tell them anything they had to start all over again. Statistically there is a two hour delay in reporting a child missing and 74 percent — of the abducted children who were murdered were dead within three hours of their abduction, the study said. This is only one of the few that I read but they pretty much gave similar numbers.
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  theJBmission

  October 20, 2010 at 1:11 am

  hmmm…
  Whether we agree or not, the answer to how long Caylee lied on Suburban drive will tell me if correct leads were followed. Meaning the scientific botany and insect evidence that will be heard at trial, along with the arguments.
  Excuse me If I’m wrong but I think TL should have been interrogated that night of July 15th because actually at this point Casey was living with him. She had no car since June 27th. She was literally stuck at his house. In Louisiana, Tony would have had to give her a 30 day eviction notice to get her to leave…OMG..lol
  The actions of LE was as though this was a family feud. It was either one of two scenarios, “Young mom hiding her child from grandmother or Young mother killed her child” That’s all they thought and it was because Casey couldn’t drive them to the front door of her Nanny. Her story about Sawgrass Apts was inane. It’s this and everything that Casey did is why I feel strongly she didn’t kill Caylee.
  Since the investigators have yet to find physical evidence, who know’s I may be right. This is just a matter of my perspective. I don’t see Casey as a diabolical person. I don’t think she’s that smart. There’s really nothing cunning about her. She’s a follower. Besides that, there’s unknown DNA on the duct tape. Who knows what happened but whatever it is, it’s allured a strong group of attorneys willing to defend her.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 20, 2010 at 6:54 am

  Damagdpets, if you were talking to me here, “The statement that you made was very unfair. You make it sound like LE killed Caylee on or about the 15th of July. I sure hope I’m reading this wrong. If you would have said June 18th I might agree. 31 days and lies do not add up to LE or the FBI in being responsible for Caylee’s disappearance and death. They spent the evening of the 15th and all morning of the 16th varifying what KC told them.” it isn’t my intention to be unfair. Who ever killed Caylee is responsible for her death. Yes, they at least went through the motions of following up on some leads of live sitings but I seem to remember reading DC trying very hard and being met with resistance to get a security tape that I would have thought LE would already have gotten if they were actually seriously following up that lead. Listen closely to the detectives in the interviews. They make it clear where their thoughts and efforts are going. This type of thing is what I base my opinion on. I’ve read tippers had a near impossible job to even get them to take their calls. Then we saw them fully involved with TES searching for a dead Caylee, even giving them money. They were fully invested in a cadaver search, short of taking Gerus past the trunk in the driveway. I still wonder why Gerus didn’t try to lead him down the road to follow the car trail, if in fact, Caylee had been in that car. I also wonder why they didn’t search the neighborhood woods with those dogs. They left it all up to TES months later.

  My opinion on the botany is still up for grabs since the botanist didn’t bother to name the species of root. There is more than one species there that can grow a root 4mm in less that 4-6 months. That is a longer growing season than many locations have. I have the miniature cousin to the air potato growing and believe me, even this smaller species grows roots bigger than that in 3 months. I just pulled out a first year seedling of poison ivy hidden in peonies next to the pick axe job I was doing and believe me, the roots were larger than that. It had all the season to grow but that isn’t as long as they are saying Caylee was there and it didn’t have the benefit of a very rich soil. Yes, I have a horrible case of poison ivy because I didn’t realize it was there at first.
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  Hazaka

  October 20, 2010 at 9:01 am

  diane
  October 19, 2010 at 9:48 pm
  ” I still try very hard to try to be objective but at times I find myself looking at this from a juriors view and cannot for the life of me …”
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  Diane… none of us can “look at this from a juror’s point of view” because none of us have all the information. A juror will. We can only inject our own thoughts based on just that which has been released …altho’ frankly, far too many interject “their own” life and life experience to “explain” instances. Time will tell.
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  wow

  October 20, 2010 at 10:21 am

  Jb, one phrase in your comment jumps out at me “and it was because she couldn’t drive them up to the front door of her nanny” Why in God’s name couldn’t she?
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 20, 2010 at 11:51 am

  Well, I knew I should just stick with my work until finished but decided to take a 5 minute brake so need to make this short and too the point. Wow, here is one possibility.

  Suppose there is a child trafficking organization in the Orlando area, not impossible by a long shot, considering all the tourist traffic there. These people would set up fake identities, not real. They might befriend potential targets in order to get access to children. There are a few missing and never recovered in Central Florida, right? Now, a very smart thing to do, once the trust was gained, is to set up a fake number, email, home to take them from or take them from the park, then say they’ll give her back after a period of time, with instructions not to go to the police. If it was at a fake home, it wouldn’t be that hard to meet her on the steps a few times to make it look like she lives there. Then it would be an easy job to set the person up to look like the guilty one. Or Sawgrass could have been part of the instructions. I’ve always wondered how that ZG ended up there during that time frame, just too much to be a coincidence. But think about it, if (and I’m not saying she is) that ZG was involved in this theoretical group her instructions were to go look at that apartment on the day after Caylee was last seen. Or maybe the perp knew this ZG and suggested she look at this apartment. We know there is more than one ZG in Orlando area. That sets up a perfect situation to make Casey a liar, a ZG she doesn’t recognize and an apartment that isn’t lived in. None of the facts the parent gives would hold up to investigation. The person is a liar, in the face of the facts. Once the perp is done with the child, dispose of her near the parent, make sure she gets discovered and the case is closed. I’ve wondered if the ZG that got the ticket might be an illegal. I haven’t seen any sign that she has a legal drivers license and have to wonder if she is the ZG in question. Many bloggers were convinced that she was really Casey but that isn’t possible. The date she disappeared and quit paying on that ticket is too much to be a coincidence. It isn’t showing here http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6175316 because it was sent to collections but before it showed her last payment the day Casey was charged with murder, then she defaulted. She was ticketed for driving without a valid license. It shows the normal action of suspending the driver’s license when she defaluted but you can’t suspend a license that wasn’t there to begin with. I think that is just the computer doing the normal action they program after an account goes into default. Even if this person has no involvement, why didn’t LE check her out? She’s about the right age. Well, back to work
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  artgal16

  October 20, 2010 at 12:06 pm

  I read here occasionally. I just finished a major article at hinky meter by Val which is very well researched and Cindy and George not only lied – they obstructed justice. Sorry but all your research just doesnt wash. The excuses you make up for Casey and Cindy are just out of the realm of reality. No one buys it and neither will a jury, its so obvious she is guilty.
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  Hazaka

  October 20, 2010 at 12:16 pm

  artgal16
  October 20, 2010 at 12:06 pm
  ——————————–
  artgall …. welcome …and each to his or her own…….
  —————————
  Zuben …. you constantly amaze me…… your mind never stops….thanks!!!!
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  wow

  October 20, 2010 at 12:17 pm

  That would make a great movie, but doesn’t flow for me in real life. Casey Anthony simply would not sit in jail for two years for anyone, especially a child abduction group, especially long after the worst that could possibly have been done to the family has already been done. As a police office (former) George more than anyone knew that the first thing that should have occurred once the car was found with THAT smell in it, is to call the police. Hours passed before that was done by the greiving grandparents. In the interim, Casey’s pants were washed, the car was cleaned, things that should never have been touched were, lord only knows what was discarded in an attempt to cover up what they both must have immediately known. Casey killed Caylee, no abductors would “babysit” for Caylee for two years before thaking her. The two years is acording to Casey.

  Casey thinks she is smarter than everyone else, she was going to con LE into thinking she had a job at Universal. They called her bluff and took her there. Casey said she took Caylee to Sawgrass, they called her bluff and took her there. Casey learned well at the knees of a manipulator. She became so accustomed to having her parents threaten and nevr follow through and hold her accountable for anything, she just figured it would continue.

  If by some chance this heartless creep gets away with this, I, along with most people will go to our graves knowing the truth. Casey is a murderer.
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  Hazaka

  October 20, 2010 at 12:22 pm

  wow
  October 20, 2010 at 12:17 pm
  ————————
  Wow…. that’s all I can say …. is WOW —- ’nuff said. You seem to have it all locked (pun intended) up!
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  wow

  October 20, 2010 at 12:32 pm

  Your usual response to something that makes sense Hazaka. My remark amazes you, but the science fiction presented before makes sense to you. As you said, to each their own.
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  Hazaka

  October 20, 2010 at 12:58 pm

  wow
  October 20, 2010 at 12:32 pm
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  Please …. we all make our own decision …. and let’s play nice — to my understanding, Zuben offers well thought out possiblities….and see no one truly knows…. I’m open to all ideas.
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  wow

  October 20, 2010 at 1:35 pm

  I’m not arguing with you Hazaka, you nipped at me. I am sure that there are people who believe:

  OJ is innocent
  Scott Peterson is innocent
  Drew Peterson is innocent
  Charles Manson is innocent

  To me, Casey Anthony is guilty, all roads lead to Rome.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 20, 2010 at 1:49 pm

  OK, mission accomplished, current work done. Wow, I didn’t mean to anger you. I don’t think it sounds like science fiction at all but you are right, this whole story would make a fascinating movie. The most captivating movies I’ve seen are those based on real life stories. Why do you think the Anthonys have that man sitting next to them at the hearings? I’m sure there will be a movie or two and he is smart enough to hook up with two people that can give him the inside scoop for at least part of the story. But the ending hasn’t been revealed yet. All of the details and possibilities we’ve pointed out or suggested would make for interesting twists and turns in the story to add suspense too, don’t you think? So far the closest I’ve seen that I would label science fiction is the air test. Keep in mind that the machine they use in the field for testing BAC through the breath or air isn’t even admissible in couirt after all these years. There is no way this experimental machine is ready for the big time quite yet. Of course, science fiction is based on things that are scientifically possible so even if that is the way you label this potential scenario, that isn’t a bad thing. It just means that I’m ahead of my time, like 10,000 Leagues Under the Sea or Star Wars.

  I do agree with one thing though. I don’t think that Casey was given the benefit of suffering the consequences of her poor decisions such as stealing from her grandmother. That doesn’t make her a murderer though. Once again, there was no evidence shown that they cleaned the trunk. The towyard worker had a more recent contact with death in a car and attributed the smell to the trash he through out. George had less experience or at least more distant and vague experience with the smell of death than LE that was there that night should have and yet they did nothing about the car until late the next day. How do you explain that? Cindy told the 911 dispatcher they should check the car through her frantic statement intended to get them there faster than 2 hours later. George should have known better than current LE and did their job for them?
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  wow

  October 20, 2010 at 2:00 pm

  I was not ever angry at you Zuben, I was responding to Hazaka and her response to me. Perhaps I should have said fiction and left off the science. From what I gleened, there were many hours that passed before LE was called. Cindy went back to work, she sent George to work, and I think it was to make it appear that everthing was normal with the car. George stated himself that he was praying in the towyard that the smell in the car would not be Casey or Caylee. Cindy washed Caseys pants, and the car was cleaned before LE was called.

  Once yoou smell the scent left by a decomposing body you never forget it. George knew immediately someone dead had been in that trunk. Once Casey was located, they knew immediately who it had been.

  I am sure you are right, there will be a movie that George and Cindy are greedily waiting to reap the benefits from.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 20, 2010 at 2:13 pm

  So what do you base your statement on that the car was cleaned? Did I miss something in discovery or their depo? There were no cleaning fluids found in the trunk carpet that I know of and it wasn’t said that it was wet. It wouldn’t have dried in 24 hours in Florida humidity, for sure. Also, why do you expect George to be more of an expert at judging than LE? They didn’t bother with the car at first. If what you are saying were true, that they purposefully went about cleaning up and hiding things LE would surely have brought charges against them. Also, why would they hand over the computers and car without a warrent if they were covering for her? They wouldn’t. I’m sorry, Wow, you seem to be basing your determined judgement on things that just aren’t factual or shown through discovery, unless I missed something very important. If so, point me in the right direction, please.
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  theJBmission

  October 20, 2010 at 3:19 pm

  Wow said:
  Jb, one phrase in your comment jumps out at me “and it was because she couldn’t drive them up to the front door of her nanny” Why in God’s name couldn’t she?

  ==================================
  Wow,
  So you agree LE didn’t take kidnapping seriously?? That was exactly my point. I’m glad you caught that.
  Why couldn’t she?? Maybe there were others there she didn’t want to involve?? That’s where I’m confused too because I do believe when she mentions ZG to Richard Grund, this person existed.
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  theJBmission

  October 20, 2010 at 3:26 pm

  artgal16
  October 20, 2010 at 12:06 pm
  I read here occasionally. I just finished a major article at hinky meter by Val which is very well researched and Cindy and George not only lied – they obstructed justice. Sorry but all your research just doesnt wash. The excuses you make up for Casey and Cindy are just out of the realm of reality. No one buys it and neither will a jury, its so obvious she is guilty.
  ====================================
  Good artgal16,
  So why bother to post here? I respect Val’s research and I disagree with some of her perspectives, but I wouldn’t go there to tell her so. That’s just the way I roll. So again, what’s your point for posting your comment here? To say I make excuses? To say “no one buys it”
  I beg your pardon but “how do you KNOW what a jury will buy?” Do you have a crystal ball or something?? Are you really able to see into the future?? I’ll say this “no one buys what you have to say either” at least I don’t. Get a grip.
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  theJBmission

  October 20, 2010 at 3:41 pm

  Hazaka,
  It’s the nature of the beast when a few don’t follow along with the masses. I’ve learned to deal with it and I’m sure you agree, our opinions nor anyone else’s who is not part of the panel of jurors, means nada. We’re okay with that but it seems other’s aren’t. I don’t know how to argue that. If it’s true that everyone is entitled to their own perspectives and opinions, then why the discourse? I’m as baffled as you are..lol

  Wow,
  I hope you weren’t referring to what Zuben and I discuss and research is science fiction? If so, I’m disappointed. Unless you’re able to research and produce scientific evidence to dispute what we’ve found then that’s unfair, don’t you think?
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  theJBmission

  October 20, 2010 at 3:44 pm

  ZubenElSchemali
  October 20, 2010 at 2:13 pm
  So what do you base your statement on that the car was cleaned? Did I miss something in discovery or their depo? There were no cleaning fluids found in the trunk carpet that I know of and it wasn’t said that it was wet.

  =======================================
  Good point.
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  diane

  October 20, 2010 at 4:07 pm

  Well JB and Zuben we got a lot more discussion lol. When I spoke of trying to look at it from a jurors view I did not mean to say or imply I knew everything because Lord know that I really know very little. We will not know many things till the trial which I am sure will happen due to Brad Conways saying no trial,no movie. So the deal seems to include that in order for the movie to be made a trial has to happen. Just going by what he said in an interview. I may not agree with everything everyone says but I try to look at everything with an open mind and enjoy how people get other theories about the case. I guess it is so hard to understand some behaviors that people have when things like this occur in their life. Just by the grace of God go I so I really try to not let things get to me, after all I will not be the one having to face the judgement of the court. Keep up the good discussion going on here. I really enjoy reading here and commenting at times.
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  thejbmission

  October 20, 2010 at 4:16 pm

  Thanks diane,
  I needed that!! Your comment keeps us all in check. It’s not what we think, it’s for the jury to decide.
  Now, this issue…Brad Conway said, “no trial, no movie”?? What is he referring to? I’m confused again…I think I need my afternoon cup of Joe. lol
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  wow

  October 20, 2010 at 4:57 pm

  Didn’t mean to post and run, am busy, I will respond more later.

  Now I do have enough time to respond to JB. I already said I should not have said “science fiction” I was refering to the scenario described by Zuben about the gang of child abductors, saying it would make a good movie. I guess I snarked because , as usual, Hazaka did. “wow, all I can say is WOW” .
  I have always respected your thoughts, even though I totally disagree, and Want to see Casey held accountable for the henious crime she committed. I will post tomorrow why I say they cleaned the car, washed the pants and hid evidence. Does it mean I am right? No, but nothing tells me she is innocent.
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  theJBmission

  October 20, 2010 at 5:44 pm

  Wow, did I ever tell you I heart you?? LOL
  Seriously, I apologize for my response. At the moment, I didn’t realize you had addressed the so called “snark”. I really didn’t consider it a snark at all and I didn’t take it personal.
  I respect your input here.
  It’s not like you’re alone..OMG, if there were a census taken, I would probably be in the .01% range. The way I see it, as diane, Comment and yourself have taken the time to explain, it’s all about how you understand the events and how you compare to your life experiences.
  In my life, I’ve experienced dangerous situations where for the well being of my family, I dare not reveal. Hmm..nothing more to say. So when I think about what Casey wasn’t saying or what she wasn’t doing, I compare it to situations I’ve been in.
  I believe there’s a reason for everything. She’s not talking, she’s not running away?? I don’t know what to make of that. Maybe she’s finally getting what she wants, she wanted to be institutionalized? I hope this wasn’t the reason she killed her beautiful daughter??
  Anyway, all is well. Thanks for the clarification.
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  damagdpets

  October 20, 2010 at 10:14 pm

  Zuben, I called a close friend (retired LE) and this was his response….The car was very important but can you imagine the chaos that went on after LE arrived at the Anthony’s. The primary focus was on Caylee….what happened to her and where could she be, immediate info to work with. The evidence gathering came after an exhausting 12-24 hrs of preliminary work. He walked me through some of the steps 1st taken in a situation of this nature. He told me of frustration of compiling notes just from the officers there and more showing up as an investigation begins. The following day the same officers are other places or not on shift, everything being turned over to detectives who have to sort out what uniformed guys did or didn’t do….I hope I am making sense here. They start to pull detectives from other cases inform them which leads to a controlled chaos in the 1st 48.

  His favorite thing to tell me and repeated several times “this is not TV”.

  When I explained to him about the elapsed time from when Caylee was presumed kidnapped and the date reported to authorities he got a little testy. It got worse when I told him about KC’s interviews at home and at Universal…..He told me “and you expect the cops to do what after that much time and your primary witness is misleading or not giving you anything to go on….you got to be kidding…….you are starting with a cold case”. He was glad he never worked on a case like that. After 27 years you toughen up but a missing or deceased child, there is nothing that ever makes it any easier.

  Zub, yeah I have seen a lot of mistakes in this investigation. I can’t imagine what LE went through that night they talked to the Anthony family. I can’t imagine the man power in the 1st 24 hours making phone calls to the people KC knew and chasing down every address she gave them and then coming up empty handed. If you were able to detach yourself and try and imagine being one of those detectives. Can you imagine what Cindy went through when KC absolutely refused to take her to Caylee……the panic and rage she must have felt.
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  diane

  October 20, 2010 at 11:48 pm

  JB sorry did not get back to you sooner. What I was referring to was an interview Brad Conway did after he resigned as the Anthonys attorney. In the interview he was ask about JB taking a plea or would it go to trial. He inferred in the interview that JB would never take a plea because if a movie was to be made of Caseys life and how this all came about a trial would have to occur for the movie deal. I guess that is the reason we see JL in all the hearings with George and or Cindy. I was not surprised about this because of seeing JL attend all the hearings. I guess somebody needs to make money off of this so it really does not bother me. I feel lots of book deals and a movie deal has been in the works for awhile. I feel for anyone that is involved in this case and I really do not think LE or anyone is out to get Casey. Most of these people probably have children of their own and like me thinks it is a real sad situation.
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  theJBmission

  October 21, 2010 at 5:40 am

  thanks diane,
  OIC, So Brad implied KC had to go to trial or Jose wouldn’t get a movie deal. Hmm..I would maybe believe this is it was ONLY Jose Baez that was representing her. Now with the other attorneys on board I doubt that they would only want to be involved to make a name for themselves. I know Cheney Mason doesn’t need to make a name for himself.
  Not only that, but who’s to say the State would even agree to a plea deal at this point?
  I think they want their day in court too.
  It’s no secret that there was bad blood between JB and BC. Remember Brad Conway is one of Nejames buddies. Nejames represents TES..sooo, I think Brad just made that statement out of spite. JMO, of course. Thanks for filling me in. I always seem to miss out on the lawyer drama. Darn..lol
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  thejbmission

  October 21, 2010 at 6:28 am

  damagpets,
  Thanks for bring your LE friend’s take on this situation. I’m sure this is a cop’s nightmare to say the least. Missing child, smelly car, frantic loony acting grandmother, mother seems relaxed and doesn’t care, X-cop GrandPa just arrives from work, giggly brother lurking in the wings. I can almost picture this scenario and what it must have looked like to the LEO’s. It’s like a Broadway play or a Parlor game where you have to pick out the murderer.
  It’s really quite similiar to the JonBenet Ramsey case.
  There the LEO’s came into a home, parents frantic, freshly written ransom note on the counter and the little girl is missing. There was a huge error made in this case and it was all about the LEO’s not taking control of the house. Not that it was really there fault, they were led to believe someone came into the home and took JonBenet. They unfortunately didn’t find the room where the girl laid dead for hours later. In the meantime, the Ramsey’s had friends come over to console them along with several officers prancing around the place. The house was literally a crime scene, yet it wasn’t treated as such. Denver PD learned a lesson from this case and have admitted things should have been done differently. I think OCSO and all of the other counties will learn from this case too.
  For reasons I don’t understand, OCSO did not do a normal practice and that is to separate everyone and bring them downtown for questioning. I think Tony L should have been brought in too. I don’t think it was a good practice for all of Casey’s friends to gather together and create a timeline either. I’ve never heard of that before. I’d like to know if your LE friend has heard of this.
  I know It’s not all on LE. They did an OK job but I agree with Mark Fuhmann when he noted, LE should have known the body was near the home since Casey only borrowed the shovel for an hour. Hmm..what’s done is done but now that the physical evidence isn’t lining up and Roy Kronk has a ridiculous story to tell, I bet they regret some of their actions.
  JMO, of course..didn’t mean to write a book…sorry for the long comment.
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  thejbmission

  October 21, 2010 at 6:45 am

  ZubenElSchemali
  October 20, 2010 at 11:51 am
  Snipped…
  I’ve wondered if the ZG that got the ticket might be an illegal. I haven’t seen any sign that she has a legal drivers license and have to wonder if she is the ZG in question. Many bloggers were convinced that she was really Casey but that isn’t possible. The date she disappeared and quit paying on that ticket is too much to be a coincidence. It isn’t showing here http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6175316 because it was sent to collections but before it showed her last payment the day Casey was charged with murder, then she defaulted. She was ticketed for driving without a valid license. It shows the normal action of suspending the driver’s license when she defaluted but you can’t suspend a license that wasn’t there to begin with. I think that is just the computer doing the normal action they program after an account goes into default. Even if this person has no involvement, why didn’t LE check her out? She’s about the right age. Well, back to work

  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

  Zuben, thanks for the friendly reminder. I almost forgot about this ZG.
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  diane

  October 21, 2010 at 6:46 am

  JB sorry I did not mean to imply that BC said it was JB that has a deal. He just talked about a movie deal,he did not say who, just a trial had to occur for the movie deal. The only thing that bothers me about CM is the interview he did prior to getting on board with the defense where he said she should take a plea. I hope more lawyers get on board for Casey because I want her to have a fair trial and I think JB is way over his head, not enough experience IMO. In the end I would like for no stone left unturned for justice for Caylee. I just wish Casey would tell the truth she is the only one who holds the key to all of this. No need for her to sit in jail, no one to protect now if that was what she was doing. We can come up with all kinds of theories but she really knows the truth about this situation and has the answers. I hope if she is innocent and at this point she is until proven guilty that she is given every means to tell her story whatever it is.
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  thejbmission

  October 21, 2010 at 6:56 am

  Ahh ok diane,
  No problem..Maybe it’s Cindy’s deal. I hear she’s the one who tags along with a TV producer. Even Casey thinks Cindy is a media hound..lol I read in one of Casey letters that Cindy trademarked “Caylee’s” name. Can you imagine?
  I agree with you. If only Casey would talk!! If she is guilty of anything, I think it was an accident. Probably if LE could have gotten her to talk, she would have gotten at most 25yrs.
  But not now, the state of Florida wants blood because all that she’s put them through.
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  Hazaka

  October 21, 2010 at 7:23 am

  thejbmission
  October 21, 2010 at 6:56 am
  —————————————-
  MyOMy JB — you’re up early Discussions have gotten pretty interesting of late….. makes for good “thinking” —- btw…. I am compelled to respond to WOW’s comment that “I guess I snarked because , as usual, Hazaka did.” I take issue with that comment —my comment regarding WOW’s description of Zuben’s scenario AS science fiction …caused me just to say “WOW — nada mas ….. nor do I think that was a “snarky” comment.
  I appreciate your consideration and observations that there indeed are a variety of possibilites ..and, Zuben’s listing was quite amazing — thanks for this thought provoking forum.

  O “wow, all I can say is WOW
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  theJBmission

  October 21, 2010 at 9:44 am

  Good morning Hazaka,
  As you’ve read the science technology comment has been settled. My thoughts on the subject has fizzled. And I didn’t think your comment was snarky or rude. You were in disbelief I think. No harm, Hazaka.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 21, 2010 at 11:12 am

  Yes, Damagdpets, it was a cold case from day one and I understand exactly what your LE friend said. I would have leaned in the same direction as LE did with all the lies but I hope I would have shut my mouth long enough to hear the mother out completely. Those words might have been important. They cut her off constantly and talked over her. As I listened I kept thinking to myself, will you shut your mouth so I can hear her?! It is much more important when investigating to listen than to talk.

  What are the chances that a ZG looks at the apartment in question, not on the day but on the day after and it isn’t the same ZG? If Casey was smart enough to find out the name of a person that looked at the apartment to pin it on then she would be smart enough to give the right day, right? But, it doesn’t even hold water that she completely made up the nanny because RG has no motive to lie to help her and he confirmed the name from long ago. Heather H confirmed the nanny too, from the same time period, I believe, back when she still worked at Universal. Is it possible that Casey really does know her but lied to protect her, because she trusted her and thought it was someone else that is to blame, like a boyfriend? Then the likely reason that this ZG filed a lawsuit is to cover her butt and distance herself from Casey. I’d love to know her work history if she has one. I’ve never thought she was the ZG but she still should have been checked out. It doesn’t appear that OC LE even took the other police department up on their offer for additional information on her. I’ve gathered more than they included in discovery.

  I also agree, it was likely pure chaos that night. But there is no reason not to get it together at some point, like the report from the guy that took the phone. There should be a report of what time he took it, what he did with it, who he called and from where. Inquiring minds want to know. Well, the work I was going to do got canceled so I’ll try to remember what it was that I was going to look at closer.
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  theJBmission

  October 21, 2010 at 1:17 pm

  Yep Zuben, another coincidence, ZG @ Sawgrass.
  I’m trying to figure out the significance of ZG’s presence at Sawgrass Apts. How would KC blame ZG that was at the apts.? Surely this person would deny any involvement. Why was Annie Dowling involved with a ZG and a traffic violation? Did that really happen? Did KC really know what kind of car C. Zenaida Gonzale-z drove or was that fed to her? Was LE trying to get KC to buy into this CZG, knowing they could prove CZG didn’t have anything to do with it. It’s just so strange.
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  theJBmission

  October 21, 2010 at 1:30 pm

  There were a few Funny Friends at Sawgrass Apts.

  Found on Vicky Aleman’s Facebook as one of her favorite movies:
  This relates to KC’s tattoo
  The movie is: Vita e’ bella, La ( Life is beautiful )
  http://www.facebook.com/people/Vicky-Aleman/549087270

  More Re: Sawgrass Apt.. does anyone recall hearing that a “vacant apartment” there was used by hookers, escorts, etc? Did LP mention this?
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  theJBmission

  October 21, 2010 at 1:39 pm

  Zuben,
  Here’s something I found not long ago but I don’t have the resources to search any further.

  Looking for info regarding drug smuggling and Tony Lazzaro:
  Found this site. Mentions Hector Rodriguez ( have found Zenaida Gonzalez-Hector Rodriguez connection in Orlando) You will find Hector Rodriquez is a big player in this drug trafficking case.
  See this site for info from New Jersey Middlesex
  http://www.mycentraljersey.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080604/CRIME/806040372/1100/crime

  From there I found this:
  note: this was on June 4th, 2008 ___ on this site a person posted about freeing George Lopez. He’s from Puerto Rico on death row in Orlando, FL Below is his site.

  http://www.artforjustice.org/lopez.html
  http://www.lairdcarlson.com/celldoor/00502/Romero00502JusticeForEddieRomero.htm

  It seems like Fusion Nightclub is a corporation. There’s several in the USA and Australia. This is not a small franchise. It’s worldwide. IIRC Tony worked at Fusion’s in NY or NJ , he was either a promoter or DJ before coming to Orlando to go to school. Wasn’t he studying business and event planning too??
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 21, 2010 at 1:57 pm

  The name is Downing and that was just bloggers’ wishful thinking that ZG was really Casey and they were together getting a ticket at the same time. Wrong on all! AD’s ticket was in Orlando and on March 30, ZG’s was in Ocoee on May 24. Isn’t it interesting that most are so convinced that Casey is without a doubt, guity, shown by a mountain of evidence but yet they also need to add a fake ID using the name ZG, a fake myspace created by her and what ever else they imagine. I don’t have a problem with her being found guilty if the evidence is there but also feel no need to make up any for either side. The evidence should stand on its own.

  I forgot who Vicky A is. This one is in Venezuela. Is that the right one?
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  diane

  October 21, 2010 at 4:11 pm

  I have been sitting thinking about Casey and the way she is now. She has sit in jail for almost 2 years no visitors, no family, just defense team and those that work for the defense. I am thinking something is very wrong with this girl, has she completely detached herself from all that is going on around her? Is she delusional or not aware of how bad her situation is? Does she think all of this will go away? I hope the defense has some good psych physicians working with her. She has gone from a girl who pretty well had all material things she wanted, lived her life through her friends, phoning and texting all the time to someone who is isolated and alone of course this is just my thoughts for today. Sorry I got off topic but it does baffle me how she gets through each day without losing her mind.
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  Hazaka

  October 21, 2010 at 5:38 pm

  diane
  October 21, 2010 at 4:11 pm
  —————————–
  Hi there — yes, it is amazing how she gets thru each day —that also tells me a whole lot that we do not know ……….
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 21, 2010 at 5:49 pm

  JB, another tragic example of Justice gone wrong. I know I’ve read the name Hector too but couldn’t remember where. I know it was in the ZG research so I went to good ol 123people and clicked on a link that led me to Victor Hector Fernandez, 78 yo from Miami with relative Hector, 29 yo. http://www.intelius.com/results.php?ReportType=1&searchform=name How about a Victoria with relative Gloria.

  But here is the one that really caught my eye when searching Gloria Gonzalez

  Gloria Gonzalez
  57
  Jacksonville, FL
  Brooklyn, NY

  Ildefonso F Lopez (39)
  Margarita Gonzalez
  Enrique Gonzalez (29)
  Anthony L Gonzalez (34)
  Nathan Lopez
  Victor A GonzalezM/strong>
  Daniel Lopez (34)
  Colon Julio Gonzalez
  Anita Gonzalez

  Is this Danny Lopez the jail house snitch from your article??? Look at entry 146 http://www.intelius.com/results.php?ReportType=1&searchform=name and you’ll see Gloria from Tampa with V and Zenaida (middle name) listed as relatives. Just another coincidence? Maybe it is very common for Gloria Gonzalez to have a relative named Victor in Florida and New York. There is even one couple in Cassleberry. Maybe YKW will check them out.He’ll be famous
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 21, 2010 at 6:19 pm

  PS: TL’s degree was in music business but he’s listing event planning too, among other things. Here is his present and history. It looks like he’s back in NY http://www.linkedin.com/pub/anthony-lazzaro/b/810/491
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  damagdpets

  October 21, 2010 at 7:14 pm

  The wheels of justice are getting slimmy. Baez’s PI is setting himself up for a lot of trouble.

  P.I. Accused Of Witness Tampering In Casey Case

  http://www.wftv.com/news/25455422/detail.html
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  theJBmission

  October 21, 2010 at 7:44 pm

  Thanks damadgpets,
  Two guys named Brett Churchill and Brett Riley, both say they felt PI Lyons was trying to get them to change their testimony. Hmm..I don’t know what makes Riley so interesting but I can’t wait for Brett Churchill to get on the stand. The article said he was questioned for 2 and half hours.
  I assume the searchers are aware of what’s going on with TES. No love lost between Jose Baez and Mark Nejame who represents TES. Maybe these two guys had it out for the defense PI Lyons because of what they already read about the TES and Defense’s fight for the records. Or maybe not?? Maybe Lyons is tenacious PI just doing his job.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 21, 2010 at 7:45 pm

  I saw that Damagdpets. As I listened to both the gentlemen and Belich in the video yesterday I wondered if she is exagerating again. I can hear the PI saying, “Are you referring to the right or left of the 2nd light post? You said to the left of the first lightpost was dry until you got closer to the 2nd lightpost? So and so said it was dry past the wooden fence until….” Of course the witness is determined to say the whole area was underwater but admits he didn’t go in close enough to see, in that exact area but he knows it is wet further East for sure. No if the PI lied to them, while he might not be doing anything different than LE, I don’t think that is right. They should be able to ask direct questions, cross examine if necessary and that should be all they need to do. But, if the witnesses are determined, like Joe Jordon to change their story then they will have to question more aggressively. They just better do it honestly.

  Then there is Gayle St. John. Her passenger and dog got out of the car Aug. 11, to the West of the 2nd lightpost, closer to Caylee’s spot but the dog led her right away, to the East where their is a steeper grade and even at that time, before Faye, there was water when they got in a ways. The dog didn’t hit on a snake though. I’ll bet Kronk planted it so he’d have a chance to make lots of money if the other find didn’t pan out. I’m sorry. I know it isn’t a laughing matter. It’s just that this case is so tragic and so ridiculous in so many ways that I had to find something lighter somewhere.
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  thejbmission

  October 21, 2010 at 8:04 pm

  There’s no getting away from it, Kronk is just one big thorn in the side of the State. Every time you put him into the equation you get a different answer.
  Kronk+Suburban-Searchers = Possible
  Kronk+Suburban+Searchers = Confusion
  Kronk+Cain+Snake = Mayhem
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  damagdpets

  October 21, 2010 at 11:16 pm

  What I don’t understand about the two guys interviewed is that they were/are under no obligation to talk to the PI. If the state or defense wants a statement they can subpoena them for depo. As far as I know the state and the defense will cross examine someone under oath. This guy will cause unneeded heat for the defense if they don’t pull the reigns in on him. He is there as an investigative tool with no right to bully, embellish, coerce or change a witness story. If he is charging the state $40 an hour to carry on this way…I hope the JAC takes a closer look at how the money is being spent. Desperation causes people to do unruly things at times.

  I don’t have proof only suspicion that Kronk had some kind on info on where Caylee was. At The same time I don’t believe he had anything to do with her disappearance or death. It’s possible the bag could have been moved. Evidence was scattered around pretty good and there was plant growth holding some of the bones down if I remember correctly.

  By the way….Kathi B gets on my nerves……Joe Jordan, I’m out on that one for the moment because it’s possible he could have been mistaken and I want to hear from the ever so lovely Ms Buchanan if she could find the time.
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  damagdpets

  October 21, 2010 at 11:18 pm

  PS: Phone logs and communications…….I HATE my Blackberry!!! It’s the most confounded thing I have ever been confounded by….
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  Comment

  October 21, 2010 at 11:31 pm

  I know I can’t ask, but I am going crazy wanting to know who you people are and how you came to be so informed and all that stuff that leaves me astounded at what you come up with. Especially Mr. Zuben.. you are overflowing with information and your capability to analyze and keep all in perspective amazes me endlessly. JB can’t say that you are behind on any of it either. All of you have such a great discussion here. I have this thought that you are all Private Investigators or in the associated fields at least. Love reading and try hard to absorb and retain but have to review much. Anyway, just want to say and most important is that you are all greatly appreciated. We know if Casey is found guilty what to expect. It is so refreshing to
  know that any possibility she may not be guilty, is being examined so thoroughly.
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  diane

  October 21, 2010 at 11:36 pm

  I thought I read where more than these 2 searchers said area was under water I could be wrong though. I do feel sorry for the people that went there with good intentions now finding themselves in the limelight and their integrity questioned, this will make it very hard for others to volunteer to do searches now. I had family in the area when Caylee went missing and am glad they were not able to do the searches so at least they wont be exposed to all of this. I know this is not popular but I do not believe their is any kind of conspiracy between LE being out to get Casey. I am sure it ticked them off when she lied and had them going everywhere to try to find Caylee. It would be very frustrating when you think a child is in danger and I am sure these detectives have sure seen a lot more of these things than we have. I would think that the FBI would have tried to find these people that Casey talked about, I thought that was what they were suppose to do in missing child cases. It looks like we are saying LE, and the FBI did not do their job and since I am not sure of all that they have done I cannot say if they did or not. We have seen discovery but have not seen notes taken, telephone calls made by LE or FBI so I am not sure what they did or did not do. I am sure they are not perfect. Sorry for the long post. God Bless All
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 22, 2010 at 8:17 am

  Good morning all. Comment, thank you for the praise. I’m nothing special though, other than all of us are special, with our own unique gifts. I have an eye for detail and probably would make a good PI. My loved ones hate it because they can’t get away with lying to me too often. I have to review too. There are just too many details to retain and I don’t like being wrong. I sure hope that the defense has more time and resources than I do so they can do a better job than any of us. I want them to do more than just show reasonable doubt, if Casey is innocent. I want them to paint a good picture of who the real perp is.

  Diane, most of the searchers that have spoken out are saying Suburban Drive was under water. The water test results say that particular spot wasn’t, other than a couple of weeks. Kronk wasn’t standing in water to relieve himself. DC and Hoover weren’t standing in water on the video tape released. The lay of the land drops to the East and South so that area will be dry more often. The retention pond behind the As is meant to catch the bulk of the water and give water on the higher ground a place to go. Joe Jordon was very specific and detailed though marking the map, making notes and even sending a very determined email to LE saying that he searched there and Caylee was not there at that time. Now he has changed his story to completely cancel what he said before. Why would he do such a complete about face? Then when Buchannan turns up to tell him she kows what he knows too, he accuses her of lying. Well, we haven’t gotten the whole story about her story yet. But I know a lot of people seem to be invested in turning her into a criminal. People are saying she falsified documents and is impersonating LE. Well, I can see she works for a law enforcement agency even if it is catching poachers rather than murderers. So if she made a statement about working in the law enforcement area, that isn’t a lie. Then I have to ask, why did Miller and his attorney claim all the relevant documents were in Orlando but yet her paperwork was in Texas? Why are so many so invested in showing Casey guilty that they would change their story and hide things?

  Diane, LE did some of what they needed to do but stopped short, IMO. For example, they claimed none of the work emails were valid after checking only one, the real fake one. They quickly developed tunnel vision and in doing so, failed to attempt to verify any of the people Casey mentioned. They clearly knew that she was claiming Hopkins had the same first name as the one they knew of but a different middle name. They made no attempt to track this person down even though Heather was able to verify some first names. I doubt they even bothered to talk to her, since we don’t see an interview. Why would that be unless they didn’t want to know? Yes, they did do some followup on some of the tips but wouldn’t they have to do that just to cover their butts? People were watching them. I do credit them with taking the time to go to Texas in search of any more docs. But do you really think it was just a coincidence that they chose December 11? I’ve noticed this strategy on a couple of other things too. I’d say this is sensationalism at its best. That is just my opinion but it is derived from the fact that the date is too much to be a simple accident or chance occurrence.

  Damagdpets, is a blackberry the same as a blackjack?
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  diane

  October 22, 2010 at 9:34 am

  Zuben thanks for the response. Have one question, do you include FBI as LE and if not do you think they just ignored things also? I just cannot figure out how someone could place Caylee where she was placed without knowing the area and knowing this was Caseys childhood hangout. As much media attention that this case has had I wonder why none of these people have come forward. I can understand why Zanny would not want to but what reason would Jeff not, after all he was just another boyfriend. It makes no sense. You would think of all the names she mentioned that at least one would be found. This is one of the things that still bother me. among many other things.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 22, 2010 at 10:50 am

  Hi Diane. I don’t know what proceedure is when local LE begins a case and the FBI joins in. There may be only certain things they do or they may skim over what the locals have done and leave those things to them, assuming they complete that part of the investigation. The reports we’ve seen of the day to day investigation all come from OCSO and the forensics seem to come from the FBI so maybe the only thing they did is what OCSO asked them to do, the forensics. I’ve seen nothing to make me believe the FBI did anything to find these people. That doesn’t mean that the defense hasn’t though. We won’t know that unless and until they put them on the witness list. Now, if it were an accident gone out of control or something similar then we won’t see any of them as witnesses or any information put forward about their location or involvement. The defense focus will be on showing reasonable doubt that Casey murdered her. But, I think the prosecution is doing a pretty good job of that already with the forensics on the duct tape. At this point, with the witness list the defense has and the depos they are doing, I’d say that is the direction they are going. If these people have vanished in to thin air they won’t have any other choice but to go this route too.
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  theJBmission

  October 22, 2010 at 3:01 pm

  Hi Zuben,
  When you presented this I knew I had found a similiar family. Here’s the one you found.
  Gloria Gonzalez
  57
  Jacksonville, FL
  Brooklyn, NY

  Ildefonso F Lopez (39)
  Margarita Gonzalez
  Enrique Gonzalez (29)
  Anthony L Gonzalez (34)
  Nathan Lopez
  Victor A GonzalezM/strong>
  Daniel Lopez (34)
  Colon Julio Gonzalez
  Anita Gonzalez
  
  Here’s another interesting one..
  Zenaida C Gonzalez
  View Details
  91 Miami, FL intelius.com. Blanca L Gonzalez
  Toni L Gonzalez
  Tony L Gonzalez
  Antonio Gonzalez
  Gloria Gonzalez
  Blancoi Gonzalez
  Rancel Gonzalez
  Two of the names look familiar. Gloria, Rancel? KC said the mother’s name was Gloria and her sister’s name was Raquel. (Raquel=Rancel?)

  BTW, the “L” is for Lazaro.. lol
  Cabrera Lazaro Gonzales
  1 Address in Wimauma, FL
  7 Addresses in Tampa, FL
  1 Address in Ocala, FL
  1 Address in Palmetto, FL

  You can’t make this stuff up.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 22, 2010 at 6:15 pm

  I saw the Lazarro too. No, you can’t make this stuff up and no need to. It’s all there in black and white showing a good possiblity that Casey was speaking of real people. I also saw a Samantha from NY connected to Gloria. I had to do some research to get more clear on the two surnames, 1st and 2nd apellido. The 1st is the father’s first surname, the 2nd is the mother’s 1st surname. You can see that the father’s line is the one that comes first, regardless of whether it is a male or a female. But I am also impressed that, as in ancient days, they honor the mother by having that the last name you speak, thus the most prominent if you say the complete name. If the woman takes the husband’s name she will still keep her father’s 1st apellido and often ads De before the husband’s 1st apellido. Most important, if one only commonly uses one surname it is the 1st one, the father’s name. Of course, if they want various identities, they have a convenient way to do it without making one up.

  You might notice when searching peoplefinders or ussearch etc, that hispanic people seem to have a lot of aliases. This could be due to using one, two or 3 different surnames, which all would probably be technically valid. One of the ZGs I researched used Gonazlez Nazario as the surname and I’m sure Nazario is the husband’s name because I saw the marriage record at myfloridacounty site.

  In the case of Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez, Fernandez is most likely her father’s first apellido, his father’s name, and Gonzalez is most likely her mother’s first apellido or what we would call her maiden name. But, Fernandez could be her father’s name and Gonzalez her married name too. If she were to choose only one last name to use, whether married or not, it would likely be Fernandez. Now, why do you suppose, if the civil suit ZG really has the name Fernandez, do we not see her using that name until she filed that civil suit? I highly suspect she has no legal right to the name. It should be her father’s name, if it is hers to claim. I established that she formerly used the married name, Nazario, if I am remembering correctly. When she was using Nazario she had Gonzales before it so Gonzales must be her father’s name but now she is using it as if it is her mother’s name. Is this highly suspicious or is she starting a new tradition?

  Here is an example, Zenaida Fernandez, 53 years old from both Puerto Rico and Miami.

  Address History

  * 1 in Miami, FL
  * 5 in San Juan, PR
  * 1 in Miami Beach, FL
  * 2 in North Miami, FL
  * 1 in Santa Isabel, PR

  Aliases

  * Zeneida Fernandez
  * Senaida Fernandez
  * Zenayda Fernandez
  * Zeneida Fernandez Troncoso
  * Zeneida F Troncoso

  She also goes by Zenaida Fernandeztroncoso

  * Marcio N Fernandez
  * Maximo Fernandez
  * Wilson Fernandez

  She also has a relative named Zenaida A Fernandez. Fernandez should be her father’s name and Troncoso is either her mother’s or her husband’s name.

  Following this surname rule, if Zenaida’s father’s name is Fernandez then her mother Gloria, would have the surname Gonzalez. If Victor is her step father then she must have dropped her biological father’s name and taken his. Her sister would either have the name Fernandez or a different surname if she had a different father. It could be Gonzalez if Gloria was using it as her married surname and this is the father of her daughter. Have I completely confused you yet?
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  damagdpets

  October 22, 2010 at 6:32 pm

  JB, Early on in the first few months I searched for Zanny and family members and came up with similar info. Naturally it’s coincidental with names and similar names but if any of these people were the ones we would see them on the witness list.

  What interests me was the is the search for Zaneida done on the Anthony’s desk top HP. If I am following the timeline and story line properly….the names of Gloria, Raquel, Jennifer, Jeffry and Juliet came after June 16th. As I recall after that date when Cindy would ask KC where her and Caylee were, KC started with the names…..” she is with Zanny” ” she was with Raquel and JMH at Hard Rock, etc. So it is possible that KC could have done a search on Zaneida and came up with the extra names. I also base this upon Lee’s depo and George’s depo that on or about July 16th was the first time they heard the name Zaneida. Did they ever check out a laptop or desktop for TL to see if KC may have used it?

  I never created a facebook or myspace page. Is it easy enough to put up a fake picture and fake info….I guess to say you could create more than one identity?

  Zuben forgot to answer back on the phone….A Blackberry is not like a Blackjack. I was complaining because the Blackberry I have has a touch screen that drives me mad when I go to text. The wrong letter or number is high lighted…..Grrrrrrrr.
  On the lighter side, I have a brother that sounds just like you Zub. He’s always been right because he is never wrong. thought you’d get a kick. My brother is 5 years older and brilliant. He eats 4-5 books a week…….
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  diane

  October 22, 2010 at 7:40 pm

  OH my just read where LKB is withdrawing from the case. She sited it is because of money. What happen to her and Lyons wanting to help an innocent person. She was suppose to be the expert in the forensics think. Looks like someone would just help out without money, I guess it is to expensive for them to pay their own way.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 22, 2010 at 7:48 pm

  LOL, Damagdpets, my father likes to remind us he’s only been wrong once. That was when he said he was wrong but was really right. I don’t claim nearly the success he does but I hate being wrong enough to usually double check before I fact speak. But I love to be shown how or why, if I am wrong, because that way I learn and am not wrong in that way again.

  I’m nearly positive if LE did anything to check out the validity of these people Casey named, there would be evidence of that, mention in their reports and there is nothing other than the 2 Zs, claiming the work emails are fake and Jeffrey Dale doesn’t know Zanny, which has nothing to do with what Casey said. As for the defense, refresh my memory. Do they have a deadline for witnesses? I just googled and didn’t see anything but I was reminded that one of the lastest additions is the Globe attorney. I’m curious about that one since the photo they purchased contained the top that was found with Caylee. Why the attorney? Is he the one that actually did the negiotiation?

  I believe the search for Z on the desktop was done after Casey told them she had Caylee. It was probably Lee that did the search. You are right that the guys in the family didn’t recognize the name from earlier. Cindy and R Grund both had heard the name though. If it was just Cindy and that is all she said, I might doubt the validity, since no one else knew her that they talked to. But with the addition of a man that was pretty quick to criticize her, backing her up, and Cindy’s story that she gave some info to an officer that still has yet to surface, I have to believe there is something to it. Also, there is Heather. Does it bother you that LE hasn’t interviewed her? Now, if they contacted her and she didn’t back up what Lee said she said, they’d have an easy nail to secure Casey’s coffin. But instead, there’s silence.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 22, 2010 at 7:53 pm

  Thank you Diane. I’m really disappointed. I really wanted to believe she was doing this pro bono based on principle, not money. The thing is, she’s known that for a long time so why now? I was really looking forward to seeing her in action, Andrea Lyon too.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 22, 2010 at 8:00 pm

  http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-lawyer-leaves-20101022,0,558773.story

  “As out of state counsel I have been traveling to Florida and elsewhere to properly represent Ms. Anthony,” she wrote in her motion. But, she added, it is her “understanding that the JAC prohibits payment of such costs to out of state attorneys even though they have rendered and are rendering their services free of charge.”

  Kenney Baden goes on to say she cannot continue representing Casey Anthony “in the absence of substantial funds to cover the costs of travel and reimbursement for expenses, which she anticipates will increase as trial approaches…”

  She added that like Andrea Lyon, who also withdrew from the case as an out of state counsel earlier this year, she has worked hundreds of hours on the case.

  “I believe in the client’s innocence to the charges and do not wish personally or professionally to withdraw from this case,” she wrote. “Nonetheless, because the state of Florida fails to reimburse out of state pro bono attorneys for expenses, I am forced to make this application…”
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  diane

  October 22, 2010 at 8:14 pm

  I agree Zuben she has to have known for awhile that JAC will not pay so why now? Maybe JB will clear it up. I get concerned when you see the people who have been on the case for a long time leave. As she said she had put hundreds of hours into this case why leave now? I would hate to think that my leaving a case in which I think the client is not guilty may end up getting the DP. I really do not know how the INNOCENT PROJECT gets funded for its services but they do a great service helping innocent people.
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  thejbmission

  October 22, 2010 at 8:57 pm

  Hi Everyone,
  Had a productive day…got my hair cut really short. hehe, I don’t expect any compliments from the men in my family. Back to topic.
  Wow, Linda Baden has withdrawn! I assume JB & CM saw this coming and thats why Finney and Sim has come on board. I’m disappointed because I really like LKB. I just hope that all of her work will be naught. Hopefully, she’ll pass it on to whoever will be handling the forensic portion of the trial. But..I’m sure her departure will raise many rumors on the blogs.
  I know it’s the defense’s job to portray confidence in their client but in this case, they seem very comfortable. Maybe it’s just me and my wishful thinking?? IDK.
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  thejbmission

  October 22, 2010 at 9:20 pm

  Yes Zuben, I am confused..lol
  This is what makes it so hard to identify citizens and illegal aliens from Hispanic countries, especially women. O.M.G. Not to talk politics but I remember when Hilary Clinton suggested giving all illegal aliens driver license’s or state ID’s w/fingerprints since they didn’t have SS#s or work ID’s to file taxes.
  I know in Texas, fingerprints are part of the DL’s and ID’s. In any case, Some people thought it was a terrible idea but I didn’t. At least, whatever name the person chose to use, it would be consistent. IMO
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  damagdpets

  October 22, 2010 at 10:10 pm

  Zub, I thought the deadline for witnesses was Nov. 30th or Dec 15th? Don’t quote me but those two dates stand out in my head from watching the hearings.

  I can’t understand why they would subpoena the Globe attorney for a picture they only paid $1500.00 for. Could it be to put a little spotlight on TL for reasonable doubt? Don’t know.

  You would think with a case of this magnitude that LE would have talked to Heather a long time ago but that’s the same thing I thought about DC and he has yet to be deposed. Even better why Baez has not sought out Heather. It seems that Baez & team are working more on the DP phase of the trial than the nuts and bolts of KC’s innocents they claim. By the way, where is the defense discovery? Have I missed something or has it not been given over yet?

  Tell me what you think about this article about DC sending a map to another investigator 1 month before Caylee is found. http://www.clickorlando.com/news/24527762/detail.html
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  diane

  October 22, 2010 at 10:31 pm

  Lord I sure missed that damagdpets. I cannot believe he had a map marked with the exact spot Caylee was found in. I do think SOA has already talked with DC. The reason I say this is because his lawyer said her services were no longer needed.If what he told SOA was to prejudiced to Casey his interview would not be released to public from my understanding. Would like to know for sure if he talked with them.
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  thejbmission

  October 22, 2010 at 11:20 pm

  Thank you damagdpets!!
  Finally someone else remembers this event!! I don’t know how I missed this article. Very interesting.
  Cindy Anthony wrote about several theories, including questioning how bounty hunter Leonard Padilla knew Caylee’s body would be found two days before it was, and she even went as far as to write that she does not believe the child found in the woods is Caylee.
  
  Cindy also goes on to say:
  “I’m not convinced. I think it was all staged,” Cindy Anthony wrote.
  I thought the same thing. I couldn’t get over that Leonard Padilla says on the Nancy Grace Show 2 days before
  “”What if they already have a body?”" And then BINGO, Caylee’s remains are found while everyone on the planet was talking about the Ants being in California to do the Larry King Show. I really thought that this finding of Caylee was staged too.
  Just a thought.. Something is wrong with this whole case.
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  Ina

  October 23, 2010 at 7:47 am

  Just a thought about the remains of Caylee. What if it went like this?

  Mr K finds something and calls the police. A few times. They don’t come. What to do now? He decides to contact the Anthony’s. I think that is not so illogical to do? He talks to George, and says he has found something that may be the remains of Caylee, with something as evidence. In shock, George realizes what this could mean to his daughter. K says he will take care of it. At a price, as it is difficult to get in that area, and dangerous. He manages somehow to get the body away from the spot (with or without help) and in return he wants money. The Anthonys can’t pay anymore, so in late fall K puts the remains about where he found them first. Soon the body is overgrown with plants (kudzo?) And then in December he finds the body again.

  ? I suppose that is not possible?
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 23, 2010 at 10:15 am

  Good morning all. Ina, anything seems to be possible in this case but Cain did look where Kronk told him to look in August and it wasn’t her, the bag was even a different color then.

  The defense is participating in discovery so they too must hand over what they gather but it is different than the state. Most important, their investigation will probably be ongoing and they don’t have to hand it over until they have completed that. They might very well have spoken to Heather informally but haven’t completed further investigation. If they aren’t going to use her, (perhaps because they haven’t been able to find those she mentions or because they don’t have anything that will help the case) they don’t have to release that info in discovery. I believe the state has stricter rules about what has to be release but would like to have this clarified by Hornsby because I’m not real sure on this.

  While may people disregard any validity coming from dowsers and psychics, there are some that know their stuff, have a real talent. Government agencies have used dowsers to find water, etc. Some LE work with psychics. DC was working with J Lucas, mostly through Luke P but also directly. She did quite a good job of describing the location. Not sure how the house on Brackenwood fits or maybe it doesn’t fit at all. Anyway, your link includes 3 copies of the same pages released in discovery but doesn’t have the section with the map shown in the video or mentioned in the article. It is found on pg. 21334. The previous page is an email from DC to dearmont which is Luke P, dated Nov. 15, 7:51 pm and has this image attached to it. This is right after his trip to the woods that Hoover taped, isn’t it? The emails are conveniently numbered out of order if the state wants to take as much time from the defense as necessary to sort out and make sense of discovery. Grrr.

  Anyway, pg 21359 is from DC at 8:52 pm. This version of Adobe allows actual C&P so here are the relevant emails.

  D&A Investigations, Dominic [dominic@dgator.com]
  Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:51 PM
  dearmont@netzero.net
  Google Earth Image
  GoogleEarth_lmage.jpg

  Luke,
  Here are the locations … Dominic!
  ————-
  From: Luke Phillips [mailto:dearmont@netzero.net]
  Sent: Saturday) November 15) 2008 8:17 PM
  To: D&A Investigations) Dominic
  Subject: RE: Google Earth Image

  Dominic – is this the house?
  Luke
  ——————-

  D&A Investigations, Dominic [dominic@dgator.comJ
  Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:52 PM
  dearmont@wildblue.net
  RE: Google Earth Image ... PI/Privileged and Confidential ...

  Luke,
  Yes this is the house) we will look at the location You have pointed to . .
  . Dominic!
  -----------

  From: Luke Phillips [mailto:dearmont@wildblue.net]
  Sent: Saturday. November 15. 2008 9:56 PM
  : D&A Investigations. Dominic
  ~ubject: RE: Google Earth Image . . . PI/Privileged and Confidential . . .

  Former owner:
  Luis R Cruz-Baez
  8726 Brackenwood Dr Orlando, FL 32829-8631 (407) 736-9396
  Former addresses:
  1 address in LAKELAND FL
  1 address in GIBSONTON FL
  3 addresses in CIDRA PR
  1 address in MANGO FL
  9 addresses in CAROLINA PR
  6 addresses in CAYEY PR
  1 address in SAN JUAN PR
  13 addresses in ORLANDO FL
  2 addresses in BRANDON FL
  11 addresses in TAMPA FL
  2
  Remember Omar Cruz on Gregory Road?
  Luke
  ——————–

  D&A Investigations, Dominic [dominic@dgator.com]
  Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:06 PM
  ‘Luke Phillips’
  RE: Google Earth Image … PI/Privileged and Confidential …
  Quite the coincidence. I remember “Omar Cruz on Gregory Road” that You found before. Another
  strange twist in the Case … Dominic!
  ————–

  From: Luke Phillips [mailto:dearmont@wildblue.net]
  Sent: Saturday) November 15) 2008 10:10 PM
  To: D&A Investigations) Dominic
  Subject: RE: Google Earth Image … PI/Privileged and Confidential …
  L also think Baez is interesting!
  Luke
  ——————–

  From: Luke Phillips [mailto:dearmont@wildblue.net]
  Sent: Saturday) November 15) 2008 10:26 PM
  ): D&A Investigations) Dominic
  ~ubject: RE: Google Earth Image … PI/Privileged and Confidential …
  Dominic – of note) house across the street 8725 has a family named Rivera.
  Ginette says they are keeping an eye on 8726.
  Luke
  —————

  D&A Investigations, Dominic [dominic@dgator.com]
  Saturday, November 15,200810:47 PM
  ‘Luke Phillips’
  RE: Google Earth Image … PI/Privileged and Confidential …
  Yes Luke) that certainly got my attention. Strange that the name “Baez”
  comes up in interesting places … Dominic!
  ——————–

  I:rom:
  mt:
  ro:
  Subject:
  Luke)
  D&A Investigations, Dominic [dominic@dgator.comj
  Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:49 PM
  'Luke Phillips'
  RE: Google Earth Image ... PI/Privileged and Confidential ...
  The "Rivera" name also comes up in interesting places) it is almost like a message of sorts .
  Dominic!
  ----------------

  I haven't thoroughly read every email from that doc release but in retrieving these, this one struck me as very interesting because we know that Ginette was on target about the pavers, which were found very close to Caylee. I think it would be interesting to collect all of her communications in order by date because it seems that she thought she was alive then about Nov. 22 changed her mind.

  From: Luke Phillips [mailto:dearmont@wildblue.net]
  Sent: Saturday) November 22) 2008 8:07 PM
  To: Dominic D&A Investigations
  ‘bject: From Dinette tonight
  _rnportance: High
  Sensitivity: Confidential
  Dominic – Ginette is now convinced that Caylee is deceased and therefore I
  Innot trust what she comes up with. Of course) I can be in denial since I’
  convinced she is still alive. I must) either way) pass along whatever we
  get to you. So) here’s the latest for Ginette ….
  1) Keith and I talked – my friend in D.C.) a great person – anyway)
  anywhoo – he picked up something there is a black dog around the area -
  I think I told you about a black cat – I could be wrong and its a black
  dog – but there is also a small (about 10/12 pound white and beige dog
  digging under the house – where he digs is sooo close to the body – so if
  Dominic is seeing a two tone dog – I think its a Scottish terrier – I will
  let you know-
  2) PIs. tell Dominic – that he has been by the burial site … he has
  walked right by her and the black animal and the little dog. I truly
  believe he’s the one who is going to find her – we’ve got the team – now let
  me see what I pick up tonight ..
  Let me know if any of this clicks.
  Luke
  —————–

  Now, when I watch the Hoover video, I see an opening just like Kronk described, right down to the fallen log as described in the crime scene report. I see the pavers and a sign, but this sign Summer Camp, not Kinder Care. Must watch that video again to see what else is on the ground.
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  Hazaka

  October 23, 2010 at 10:43 am

  Zuben –I don’t know what your “real” profession is ….. but — your keen eye and mind make you amazing….. think Baez could use you!
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  Ina

  October 23, 2010 at 11:18 am

  Cain! Completely forgot. Thanks Zuben. It is amazing what you find! Hazaka is right, but I think you should join the police? As a sort of Sherlock.
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  theJBmission

  October 23, 2010 at 11:48 am

  Wow Zuben,
  You’ve given me a lot to read over the weekend. No surprise, but I’m a avid believer in psychics and their capabilities.
  Hazaka, right you are. Not much gets pass Zuben I’m amazed as well.
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  Hazaka

  October 23, 2010 at 11:51 am

  FYI — not to reveal too much ….. since no one is near me….BUT … my car tag reads ESP …
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  theJBmission

  October 23, 2010 at 7:15 pm

  Well, I went to this site in hopes of getting a copy of the exact words Padilla used when he shouted “what if they already have a body” a couple of days before Caylee was found.
  http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html

  Here’s Dec 8th, nothing, nor Dec 9th or 10th.
  http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/08/ng.01.html

  There’s also a disclaimer that states the transcript may not be accurate.

  I’m beginning to wonder if his statement was redacted for this reason. But fear not, I’m sure if Cindy has it so does Baez. Just another coincidence that makes me go “hmm”
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 23, 2010 at 8:43 pm

  Thanks all. I’m blushing now but don’t see the smiley handy. If I notice anything important, hopefully someone will notice it if they are monitoring the internet. I went to track down the raw video and found a couple of versions. wftv’s version http://www.wftv.com/video/18462972/index.html is really strange, with the shadow of a hand holding a remote showing in several places. Belich must not be able to resist editing. I don’t think we can count on them to give the whole story or video. It begins Nov. 15 9:50 am at Suburban Drive then jumps to 9:38 at Brackenwood. At this point 16 seconds have been clipped. There are a couple other places where a couple of minutes have been clipped too. Then it jumpst to Nov. 16 at 7:50 am, again on Suburban Drive, tape at the 6:44 mark but the wftv counter saying 3:00. A little further on it jumps to 7:52am with the counter saying 8:34. There is some more cutting then it jumps back to Brackenwood. Then it suddenly jumps back to Nov. 15 at 9:15am, earlier than the beginning of the tape, then jumps to a repeat of the Brackenwood, 9:38 am footage. I’m having trouble locating another version.

  http://dgator.com/Documents/Leonard%20Padilla%20with%20Video%20and%20James%20Hoover.pdf I went to D&A Investigations, CMA library to see if he had it up and I found something I’d never seen, a picture with Padilla holding a video tape with Hoover grinning from ear to ear. I hope this guy never gets another job doing investigation, even pro bono.

  If anyone finds a full version would you please post the link. I haven’t downloaded any audio or video files so have to find them each time.
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  damagdpets

  October 24, 2010 at 12:10 am

  Zuben, I have worked in a couple of post production suites at locals news stations as well as several recording studios. I have watched news crews bring in tapes that were shot over one day to several days. They chop the heck out of stuff to fit a specific amount of time. It’s not uncommon for what you noticed about the time signatures. I have watched them take two and a half hours of video and cut it down to five minutes. Crazy stuff….

  JB, Padilla said a lot of stuff that was speculative at best. He played for the cameras almost as much as Cindy did. I know Cindy said something about two days before Caylee was found but I don’t remember or can find him saying that. I am curious about the transcript you put up. I was reminded that LE had those two cds and called Baez about them. Why do you suppose that if the focus was finding Calyee, Baez didn’t send someone over? You have to remember Baez had money at this point in time.
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  thejbmission

  October 24, 2010 at 7:27 am

  Good morning damagdpets,
  I think the reason they weren’t interested in those cds was because as we saw they were mostly people calling in with dreams they had and pseudo psychics. The defense knew what they had and there was also a lot of other things going on at that time too. That’s the only thing I can see. I don’t think it was because “everyone” knew Caylee wasn’t alive.
  I’m aware that LP was known for putting his spin on everything and I succinctly remember him making this statement 2 days before Caylee was found. I was shocked when he said it and it was the first thing I thought of when Caylee was found. Not too many people put too much stock into his statement and gave the same answer as you, ‘it’s just Padilla’ as usual. But add to the fact that Kronk is an X-Bounty hunter, I find it quirky. Does LP know RK?
  As a matter of fact, it’s the first time this has been mentioned by any of the press. Oddly, when I went back to check the NG transcripts, it’s not there?? So if its really nothing but a Padill-ism, I wonder why it’s redacted. ( If anyone else can find it, I would be forever thankful, LOL ) Just my thoughts as usual..
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  thejbmission

  October 24, 2010 at 7:52 am

  Zuben,
  I went to link you provided and it wasn’t working. Bummer, I really wanted to see it again. Thanks for the picture of LP and Hoover too. True, Hoover is smiling for the camera, but doesn’t Padilla look a little perplexed? It really makes you think they knew something back in November.
  As I mentioned numerous times before, I’ve been reading true crime books since I was 13yrs old. I’ve never come across anything like I’ve seen in this case. Bounty hunter Padilla coming in on a virtual white horse to save the day?? And that was just the beginning. It’s unbelievable how so many media hounds mucked up an investigation of a missing/murdered child. Sickening.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 24, 2010 at 8:09 am

  Good morning, Damagdpets. I guess the title starting with, “Raw Video” is what misled me. Usually they would not tamper with it if they label it as such. The link above keeps coming up with an empty file so here is another link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95gwbFtCZMg

  But here is the real thing, the one I was looking for, compliments of weshtv. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T04rfgU5E8A The 6:21 mark is where they go in to the spot that fits the exact description of where Caylee was actually found. At the beginning, on the 15th, they are quite a ways up the road.

  If you haven’t seen it, this is a special report done on DC. Apparently he only hung his shingle 5 months prior to Caylee going missing, boasts 20 years experience but had been in the construction consulting business. It isn’t a very flattering report. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpFaxOPQseM

  JB, you are right about the CDs. In fact, LE sorted all the tips into psychic and other, then sold them the psychic only ones at a ridiculous price, IMO. It reminds me of a FOIA request I made once where they charged me something like $30/hr to retrieve and print a few pages from their computer, claiming the only people avaailable to do that work were doctors. Yeah, right. They started by refusing my request then did this when they saw I was willing to file a complaint with the courts, knowing I would have won. This was my punishment, but they likely hoped I’d back off because of the cost. They are only supposed to charge reasonable copying or printing fees, like $0.25/page. They find all sorts of ways around the law because they are the law, in their opinion. In my opinion, there should be no charge to a defendant for anything that is involved in their case, in any way. IMO, the tips CD they gave him was playing dirty. They could reasonable know he didn’t only want those and certainly wouldn’t want those first. This incident went a long way in destroying my respect of the powers that be in Orlando.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 24, 2010 at 10:50 am

  Here is something quite interesting. I confirmed that he did, in fact, register D&A Investitgations in Janurary of 2008 but he formed a business even later than that, Sheeler Oaks LLc on May 23, 2008. So, he was also into real estate speculation, at the same time Casey was home hunting? Sheeler Oaks Park is in Apoka. He dissolved it in September of 2009. http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=L08000051874&inq_came_from=OFFFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0001&names_name_ind=P&ret_names_cor_number=&ret_cor_web_names_seq_number=&ret_names_name_ind=&ret_names_comp_name=&ret_names_filing_type=&ret_cor_web_princ_seq=&ret_princ_comp_name=CASEYDOMINIC&ret_princ_type= He dissolved D & A CONSTRUCTION CONSULTING, INC at the same time. To my surprise,when I pulled up Sheeler Oak Ave and Dr up on Google earth, it was quite near to a marker I had for a Gloria Gonzalez owned property. Also, not too much further are two markers I’d placed for the location of a siting I was quite interested in early on. One marker is the Goodwill in Eustis, the next little town to the NW of there. the other is the Dept. of Children and Family Services in the same time. It was reported that a woman and child fitting Casey and Caylee’s description was seen with an Hispanic woman she thought was the grandmother. It was a compelling siting but LE said since there was nothing in the computer at DCFS showing she applied for services, it must not be legitimate. I thought it very well may have been legit. But I’m a little foggy on the details after so long.

  OK, now one that may be even more interesting…DC founded CHRISTINA’S NEW HEART FOUNDATION, INC. on 10/6/03 and dissolved, also on Sept. 09. I haven’t been able to find out who Christina is for sure but this could be her. http://www.makeachildsmile.org/angels/2003_dec2.shtml The website address is in Clermont but the child needing and receiving a transplant that year was not from Florida. The DC address is a different one but it must be him, same middle initial. The address was changed May 1, 2008 and is very near to his other listed address.
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  myrrh

  October 24, 2010 at 7:34 pm

  Good evening, everyone. I haven’t been able to keep up with all your research, but I’ve always thought DC’s frantic search around the remains of the site Caylee’s remains were found is way too weird to be a coincidence. Even though I believe the possibility of real ESP, etc., from what I read of DC’s emails, that group of psychics were all over the place in their feelings or visions, from one end of the map to the other. I didn’t see evidence of DC following up on all those leads, but he certainly followed this one to the letter. Where did that lead come from?
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  damagdpets

  October 24, 2010 at 8:16 pm

  I have a couple of issues about description in the places DC looked. The house he looked at and turned over blocks were not pavers, they were a 4X8X16 cinder block. the blocks found of of suburban are sometimes called pavers. I think the media was responsible for the reference.

  As for the Sheriff turning over the tips….it does not come free. I have read that tips are not part of discovery. For them to compile and copy, comes at a price for defense attorneys or public. The best example of this was the amount of tape they had on Misty Croslin. Some were released by the Sheriff and state but there were many more that were not. When investigating this earlier…..if the media or public wanted the rest of the tapes of Misty’s jail conversations they would have to be paid for ….approx. $2,000.00. Media decided not to pay so they were never seen by the public but still exist.

  As far as discovery….the defense has to play by the same rules that the state does. All paper, tests, physical evidence, that will be used at trial must be turned over to the state. The exception being if they file a motion and the judge allows to withhold certain evidence until trial. We have not seen this on either side….yet. But there are deadlines to keep.This means, with deadlines coming do soon, we will see what the defense has been doing all this time with $360,000.00 and the state money they have been given.

  I also googled where a physicic gave testimony at trial and came up empty.

  I understand about the feeling that the state should just hand over copies but at the same time I understand that it costs man power, machinery and paper to generate copies. What I do know is that Baez chose not to get the cds and travel down another avenue. With everything in mind it makes me suspect as to what Baez’s priorities are…and we won’t find out until trial.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 24, 2010 at 8:43 pm

  Hi Myrrh. That lead came specifically from Ginette Lucas. She is one of the people he was on the phone with that morning. The other was his daughter who was sick. I understand she was sent a personal item of Caylee’s to connect with her. I believe the map was marked to show Luke, the main one he’d been communicating with, where he’d searched on the 15th and he went back the next day. Yes, they did seem to be all over the place but even a real psyhic may pick up extra information, other places they’d been or even misread what they “hear” or “see”. I did some research on a search Luke P did on another case and it sounds like he came up empty. I’ve read a bad report about Lucas too but not everyone will be happy with anyone all of the time so I can’t really judge her professionalism. Fate steps in sometimes to see to it that some will just never be found too. I don’t have cause to suspect any of these “psychics” motives because their was nothing to gain financially. The most they could hope for is some good press, should they help find her.

  Damagdpets,I pretty much agree with you. An exception is that none of the tips would be considered discovery. We know that they followed up on some and those are clearly a part of discovery, aren’t they? Even though they may not be considered discovery, technically, there is no reason they couldn’t consider it Casey’s right to have it all. I’m sure if it was them or their child missing they would want that information. It clearly shouldn’t cost that much to scan them. They could hire some poor soul without work from a temp agency to do that for little money. 2 CDs cost pennies if they buy them in bulk and the equipment to scan is depreciated. Now, if they were entering the calls into the computer their would be no need to scan and burn anything. It would be a simple matter of a digital file ready to go.
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  Ina

  October 26, 2010 at 4:46 am

  I guess scanning evidence should be done under sone sort of supervision as it is easy to temper with it? But surely that can’t be the reason not to give the defense what they want?
  (I hardly dare comment in here as you know so much and I know so little ol)
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  thejbmission

  October 26, 2010 at 6:29 am

  Hi Ina,
  Not very long ago there was a detective who was fired when he was caught burning evidence that could have helped a defendant prove his innocence. This happened in Louisiana. It doesn’t happen often, but it does happen.
  oh don’t say, you know so little..I think you’ve followed the case close enough to form your opinion and it’s always okay to comment here.
  Thank you for dropping by.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 28, 2010 at 10:18 am

  JB, something keeps leading me to June 9 and I wonder if I need to take a thorough look at that day. Remember my seeing those impossible pings near Chris S’s house on July 17? Well, there is an even more impossible hit there, June 9 at 11:46:10, then another ping 27 seconds later at the tower SW of the home near the towyard. That is absolutely impossible unless someone either has her blackjack or has remote access to her phone. This takes place during one of those instant message converstations that have me so concerned. The identity is 1110440104. IM is one way that internet crimes are commited or people get into someone’s life. For a while I had Yahoo IM installed and got rid of it because strangers were constantly coming on to me. All someone would have to do is pretend they know her and say they have this new yahoo id or worse, the kidnapper could approach her with a threat, thus initiating IM conversations. I have some responsibilities to take care of but will come back to this.
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  thejbmission

  October 28, 2010 at 1:20 pm

  Zuben, I have a question. If someone used Yahoo messenger via cell phone, this message could not be tracked back to a computer, right? So if I just created a Yahoo ID and only used it thru my cell phone, this would be impossible to trace. Especially if this phone was one of those throw away phones. If two different people used the same Yahoo ID they could send messages almost simultaneously from different locations. This could be the problem with using the cell pings to trace Casey, add to the fact, she had 2 cell phones. I am one of these people who believe the Blackberry existed. (is it a Blackberry or Blackjack? I can’t recall )
  I vaguely remember 1110440104 ?? I think in an earlier post, you mentioned this. IIRC, this person was Anthony Rusciano. Refresh my memory, please..
  Thanks for this information and please keep us updated on any of your findings.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 28, 2010 at 4:10 pm

  It was a Black Jack. I have no information on who the IDs of the instant message senders are but it is Yahoo, IM, I’m sure. If a person is using IM from their computer, yes there will be a record of the messages, but only on their computer or phone. LE found fragments of Casey’s use on her hard drive. Yahoo doesn’t save any conversation test at all. The person can set up how messenger archives or delete the history. But I’m sure there would still be at least fragments until it gets written over. Anyone that creates a yahoo profile can be contacted through messenger by other yahoo users. No, they couldn’t create an indentical ID as someone else but they could come close or they could simply create their own and initiate chat with someone. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen messenger because it irritated me to have the little box pop up in my face, asking me things when I was trying to work. But this is what I think is true… If someone sent her an IM she would then have the option to answer or click ignore or block, I believe. You can also set your profile to show you as visible, invisible or visible only to people on your friends or contacts list too. But, being invisible wouldn’t stop anyone from sending her a message or friend request. From June 1 forward, there are 2 other messenger IDs she talks to, before the one ending in 104. Her 1st contact from this person was on June 4, heavy, non stop chatting for a long period of time. I thought TL only used aim but not sure. I just checked all the computer forensics chat logs and they are all aim profiles, not Yahoo. I don’t know about SpecialAgentJAG4, Jesse, because his is only a fragment found, the one about the xanex.

  Yes, with the number, showing their ID, I’m sure LE could track the profile and the IP that created the profile as well as accessing the messenger. But they didn’t identify any of the numbers on her cell records other than some of the phone numbers, at least as far as what was released in discovery.
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 28, 2010 at 4:24 pm

  That should read conversation text. Sorry. Cancel what I said above about not being to create the same ID as someone else on Yahoo. I just searched Tone and there are lots, with some other variations. What makes them each different or unique IDs would be their name and location, given when they register with yahoo. I found a tone in NY, right age but don’t think the town listed is right.
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  thejbmission

  October 28, 2010 at 5:24 pm

  Zuben, thanks for the clarification. It was a “Black Jack” phone. Got it. lol I’m just trying to make sense of all of this. I nixed Yahoo messenger for the same reason, the pop ups were annoying. And I have no idea how to send a message to Facebook over my phone.
  Now that we’re talking about computer activity, I’m wondering what other social networking KC was into. I’m sure you could meet some seedy people on these websites. What if she turned down the wrong guy? He may have gotten just enough information from Casey to harm her. She maybe even talked to him over the phone and he found out where she lived. Young girls do these crazy things all the time.
  In any case, I find the computer crash @ Tony’s very strange. And now that takes me to remote access…Hmm..Gah, it sounds like a movie. lol
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  ZubenElSchemali

  October 29, 2010 at 11:31 am

  I’m trying to decide the most likely explanation for all the entries that just say 11 in the incoming caller column, there are many. I wondered if it could be a failed or blocked Yahoo IM sender because those numbers also begin with 11, but also wondered if it was simply the code for a call that tried to come in but couldn’t connect, or a code to say there was a voice mail. But the latter doesn’t make sense because she often doesn’t check voice mail soon after. sometimes she does though. If she can see the number that is going to voicemail at the time, perhaps that is why she wouldn’t retrieve it. If so, the following call might be who triggered the 11 entry. If anyone has any info, I’d be greatful. Is is a blocked IM profile trying to get through or a missed call?
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  Sandrine

  December 8, 2010 at 3:43 am

  JB, I realize that I’m a couple of months late in leaving a comment on this post, but wanted to confirm for you that Padilla did in fact make that statement on the Nancy Grace show two days before the remains were found.

  The transcript is here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/09/ng.01.html

  Padilla’s words: “And don’t be surprised — don’t be surprised if Orange County or the FBI don’t drop it on us here that they’ve got the body somewhere. ” [Dec 9, 2008]

  I’ve only dropped by here a few times, though I’ve always had the intention of coming back to read through everything as soon as I had the time to. I’m very glad to have had some time tonight!

  Deeply interesting work, JB and Zuben! Many of my thoughts and the information that I’ve gathered over the past 2+ years are mirrored here, along with the very great benefit of having learned some new things as well.

  I’ll be back…tons more to read! Take care, and best wishes!
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  theJBmission

  December 8, 2010 at 3:54 am

  Hi Sandrine!!
  Thank you, thank you for stopping by. I knew I heard LP say that. I even went back to read NG’s transcripts for Dec 9th and I couldn’t find it. I wondered if they redacted that part of her show. As you probably know, anything is possible but now I see you’ve got it. Wow!
  In any case, thanks again. You are the first person who that has attested to hearing him say those words. I remember how shocked I was when Caylee was found 2 days later.
  Nice to meet you and please come back anytime. Looking forward to it.
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  Sandrine

  December 8, 2010 at 4:50 pm

  You’re welcome JB, glad I could help!

  I’m not a regular NG show watcher, but did happen to have caught it the night when Padilla made that statement. It was shocking and bizarre when he said it, and I thought pretty outlandish (par for the course with Padilla!); only to have it come only so true just two days later.

  Yet another freaky coincidence (?) in a case with far more than its share of freaky coincidences!

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