At 12:45 AM, July 16, 2008, Yuri Melich was briefed about missing 2 year old Caylee Anthony and began his investigation. At 8:09 PM, 19 hours 24 minutes later he arrested Casey Anthony for neglect of a child, giving false official statements and obstruction of a criminal investigation. What LE discovered within the first 22 hours is what they based these charges on. The first sign that computer forensics might play a part in this investigation is within those first hours and on page 3 of the first release of discovery. Melich states that “they”, meaning either the maintenance man or the manager of Sawgrass apartments, ran several names through their system and discovered Zenaida Gonzalez looked at an apartment on April 17, 2008. Of course, we now know that this is incorrect. It was June and not April, according to the guest card, also collected by Melich. This is one day after the assumed day Caylee went missing, although at that time they thought it was June 9 and not June 16.
The purpose in starting here is to show that from the very first hours there was carelessness and mistakes that permeated this investigation, with more than a few involving the digital forensics. He drove Casey around so she could show him various locations that Zenaida and her mother, Gloria lived but all he did to confirm or deny this is ask a couple of neighbors if they ever heard of her. I guess he expected the same neighbors to still be there and know all their neighbors from 2 years prior. As I’ve shown in another post, Gloria Gonzalez did own a condo in this area, discovered through a simple computer search of Orange County properties by name.
Melich’s report was written about a half an hour before Casey’s arrest. Also used to support her arrest, is the fact that at Universal Studios ran some names through their computer database and led him to believe Casey was lying about her, Jeffry Hopkins, Juliette Lewis and Zenaida Gonzalez working there. He didn’t bother asking them if there was any other contractor that might have an employee database connected to Universal Studios as subcontractors and didn’t bother specifying if this JH had Dale or Michael as a middle name.
At 4:11 am on July 16, about 3.5 hours after Melich is briefed, he conducts a recorded interview with Casey. She told him Jeffrey’s middle name and that he last worked for Universal about 10 months prior. http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/0912/17458604.mp3 But still, even with this knowledge, Melich didn’t think it necessary to ask if they had any subcontractors connected to Universal. If he had, perhaps he wouldn’t have been so quick to assume that Juliette Lewis or the others didn’t exist and all those emails were fake. If the foundation of an investigation is flawed or based on lies how can it reveal the truth?
The Work Emails
At 1:20 pm that day they interview Casey in a conference room at Universal Studios. She told them she lied about working there. I wish they hadn’t cut the interview off in the middle because the last thing I hear is her saying is, “Caylee’s been here. Maybe we could talk to security…and she is cut off as the recording ends mid sentence. But she had named some people she worked with and her brother even produced emails from the home computer that appear to be work related. But Turtora, Universal Orlando Investigations, depended on a website designed for public use to provide the information he gave Melich, that there is no East Coast VP Markenting/Sales. What a strange way to investigate the various departments that make up Universal, since the only information on that page is a link to contact email and phone number for information on events. The police notes say that all of the mails are fake but the only one that may be for sure is thomas.franck. I sent a test mail out to a couple of the yahoo addresses and they came back saying the account was closed. You can’t close a nonexistant account.
Heather McDonald apparently talked to Lee and confirmed she worked with Jeffrey that had a son Zac, and Juliette. In fact, her myspace comments even include one dated May 3, 2008 from Casey talking about her Black Jack phone, the one she said had some important numbers on it. http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=17154421&page=6&state=1007!50!5!212689025!8800610
Here is evidence she worked with Heather, just as she said.
Here her name is Hunt now but I’m sure her maiden name is McDonald, based on the friends list, comments and this blog entry: http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=17154421&blogId=271469376 You’ll see a familiar face or two in her friends list too.
Saturday, June 02, 2007
New Job
Current mood: happy
Alright guys so i’ve officially left Universal. I’m exstatic that i finally took the step, saw my potential and took it!!!!
I will begin training to become a Store Manager for Blockbuster on Monday. I’m extremely excited. This is a new adventure for me, more money, better benefits and the people seem great. The DM has been there for 20yrs and was a Store Manager first, so hes been in our shoes unlike my other DM and company in which all they wanted to see was $$$$$$$, didn’t care about the future of their managers and lives of their managers. Anyway if any of you are still with that unnamed company, GET OUT!!!! Its a waste of time and energy. Anyway just thought i would let you all know i’m finally on my way to really creating a career for myself!!!!
Love you all and hope to see you renting some movie
The email addresses begin on hand numbered pg 403 of the first released discovery. They are:
thomas.franck@events.universal.com invalid
When I originally checked out this email address I found the same Canadian website that Melich was told about. There are a couple of ways that events.universal is possible. If someone at the Canadian site had access to the dashborad they could create a subdomain called events and it would look like that email address. It is quite easy to spoof email addresses though, as you can see here http://fakesend.com/ and other places. He could simply send fake emails with events.universal.com as the server.
She had said her boss was Tom Manley but the head of events was Tom Mattson. Frank McKeever, alias Thomas Franck is the acting boss of “East Coast” operations, in the email that Lee gave to LE. He is entry #161 in Casey’s sim memory. There are a series of texts initiated by him on July 10, one from her on the 11th and one from him on the 12th.
A myspace comes up searching for thomas.frank@yahoo.com , close to the email address shown, but I doubt this person has any connection to Frank McKeever. There wasn’t anything with the actual address spelled franck or at event.universal.com. It is quite easy for internet scammers to create any address, even a fake ip. They can also access control over a person’s phone or computer. Myspace and other sites like it are a common turf for scammers, pedophiles and other seedy characters. They usually don’t use their real photo or name either. But Frank M does seem to like the personal attention at least some of the time. The address above may not be the author of the emails, or he could be, but Frank John McKeever, alias Thomas Franck is surely the right one. The clearest photos are his mug shot: https://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=67905 It is a felony charge in Lake county. There OC clerk only show multiple traffic infractions, other than this and a small claims case in Lake Co. Here is his most recent criminal case, felony theft: http://doris.clk.co.st-johns.fl.us/obts-web/asp/cr_charges.asp?gin=178437 It looks like it was dropped so I would assume he paid back his customers. He seems to be a master of disguise, one of his charges being impersonating a police officer.
Courtesy of ZubenElSchemail



not sure what your point is, nothing is going to explain the 31 days, and even then it was not her that reported her daughter missing, she never mentioned it to anyone, and apparently wasn’t bothered considering her actions after that time that are indisputable. She can never overcome this, ,it will hang her, and rightly so
Don’t believe you!
Grownyoungmom,
Obviously everyone has their own way of thinking. Just like you can’t get pass 31 days of not reporting, I can’t get pass the unknown DNA found on the sticky side of the duct tape. To each his own.
LNY,
I think I’ll let this comment stand. Kind of proves what I already knew about you. Doesn’t take much for some people to show their true colors does it?
Ewww…you are a nasty-mouth. Buy yourself a bar of soap.
Oh my God, whatever would bring someone to put print like that out for everyone to read. This one out ranks the ones I thought has their minds always dwelling in un-”sanitary” places. lol and I make plenty of typo’s yipes! I better stick to the kindergarden blogs. lol
JB, just wanted to say how proud I am for you leaving the nasty post up for everyone to see. It’s amazing the amount of class these people have. Dave & snoop taught LNY well. One day she may figure out what the rest of us already know……
OK have not posted for awhile but do come back and read sometimes. What does surprise me is how some have let this case consume their lives to the point they are either trying to do a lawyers job or trashing others who do not think the way they do. There is no way I can do either because I do not know what either side really knows SOA or Defense. Many things that have been released will never make it into the trial. Some have researched things and while some people that do post here as well as other sites are not experts in every field that will be brought into this case. All I know is a 3 year old child is dead and she did not kill herself. Someone needs to be held responsible for this. I get so tired of hearing about these children being murdered, everyday we see it and it seems to me that our system needs to change. No value placed on these young lives the punishment for child-killers should face the harshest penelities. To me any child that is killed by murder should face the same punishment these are defenseless human beings, who depend on us for their every need. One thing I only can depend on is that someday we will all be held accountable for our actions and no excuses will be accepted. Casey may or maynot hae killed her child only she knows for sure, but I try to hold on that she will receive a fair trial and that justice in the end will determine if she did this or not. Sorry for the long post but have read today about more deaths of children and it breaks my heart.
well damagdpets,
This obviously isn’t the cb I know. I think I’ll have to get the broom and sweep out the trash.
LNY stands for the time being.
Sorry Comment,
Unfortunately, I do have a history with MD and SS. I was duped by both of them not long ago. I won’t forget my friends at BABS for keeping them accountable for what they’ve done to me and quite a few other innocent people. Obviously LNY condones their actions.
Very, very interesting. Thanks JB for helping keep this case at the forefront of everyone’s thoughts.
diane,
I know exactly how you feel. Everyday we read about another child gone missing, another child battered by an angry parent, another child lost in the system to die starving in an attic and sooo many more. It’s heartbreaking.
IMO, the Caylee Anthony case is different because although the circumstances are the most suspicious, the physical evidence doesn’t fit. Like you, I want to know the truth. I want justice for little Caylee. When I opened this site, it wasn’t to prove Casey innocent, it was to discuss the small details of the case, share information and other possibilities.
As you know, the good people that comment and contribute here do NOT condone murdering an innocent child yet because we question some of the evidence, we are evil and vile people. That I don’t understand but like you said, this case has brought out ugliness and deep seated anger like no other case I’ve ever run across.
For me it’s because I love my children so much when I hear that a mother has killed her child, its sooo unfeasable to me, there best be some good solid evidence to prove it. When I don’t see the evidence, I can’t help but look in another direction as a possibility. Saying this, when they find physical evidence to tie Casey directly to Caylee’s death, I’m all on it. Until then, I can’t help but remain undecided. I guess everyone has a right to their own feelings, right? And thats mine.
Nice to see you again diane. Take care.
Thank you Gracie. Stop by anytime.
JB, I just meant how could any lady speak like LNY did on a blog. I know people do but
it just seems like it is better to have a little consideration for a lot of readers than she
did here.
Well JB one thing is for sure unlike a lot of others Casey has a load of lawyers I counted more than OJ so they should be able to defend her. I guess I was trying to convey that it really does not matter in the end because we will not be the one deciding her fate that will be in the hands of the jury. No matter what evidence we have or have not seen it will not matter. Each side has strong feelings Pro-Casey and Anti-Casey but it should not get to the point that people become so unreasonable about their point of view that it gets nasty. I like the jury have not researched her case and I like the jury am not an expert in all the forensic evidence so most likely just common sense will in the end determine the verdict. 12 people that the SOA and the defense have picked will reason out what is given them and a verdict will be rendered and I like all others will have to accept that they did their best to determine what justice was. I for one do want her to get a fair trial so this case will be over and done with so the circus will end. 10 years from now most people will have no idea who Casey Anthony even was because there will be other children murdered and media will move on to new stories.
Well, JB, you may not have the highest numbers for activity here but there must be a whole lot of people reading in the shadows. I say this because quite often it is new names that pop up, first to comment, shortly after something new is posted.
You’re being watched and some people seem to feel threatened for some reason. If we all want the truth, any facts that are pointed out shouldn’t be threatening at all.
Mystymiss, you don’t need to believe me. I simply posted what I gathered through research, all facts that can easily be verified. I, just as JB, only want the truth and true Justice for Caylee. I truly hope that if I have gotten anything wrong that someone will point out the real facts. Some of what I’ve written, more to come, are things that raised questions in my mind, things that didn’t make sense if LE was truly looking for the real culprit, regardless of who that is. What bothers me most, as there begins to be doubt that Caylee was actually on Suburban drive in August, is the possibility that Caylee really wasn’t dead yet in July when she was reported missing. Or, if she was, she must have been planted there to point to her mother. Both are horrible possibilities to consider, but we may have to. One thing I am sure of, the defense team thinks Casey is innocent, not just that there is a technicality that will get her off. If I questioned that before, Sims convinced me completely at the press conference.
Have a great day all.
Hog wash. Casey is the murder. She partied and said to many lies. Remember she also said she was not guilty for stealing and using Amy’s checks to by things and get money. If she lied about the checks she’ll lie about the murder. Since the defense claimed that Casey was innocient early on and they HAVE proof why are they letting Casey remain in prison?? I will wait for the trial to hear all the evidence the LE has but I don’t believe you!
JB,
Good morning…I am appalled at the behavior of some people on the blogs. Does anonymity give you a pass to behave in an unacceptable manner? I see you don’t take it to heart, which is the right thing to do. Rise above it and move on. You have far more supporters than detractors. Even if we all don’t agree.
Having said all that, I think I have ask this question before. If you and Zub don’t think Casey did this, or you think the evidence points to someone else, who would that be?
JB – I admire your restraint in repsonse to that nasty classless comment left upthread. While I disagree with your viewpoint on this case you have always presented it in a respectful way.
I hope you let comment stand so that those who try to pass themselves off as above it all will be shown for what they are.
I dont believe that at the time the Melich first encountered Casey it was the intent
to go into deep investigative mode. That comes later. There are always mistakes made.
However, people that exist can be found. They can not only be found they can be subpoenaed and made to testify as witnesses. Where are they? Juliette Lewis is an actress
that appeared in Natural Born Killers. It probably is not an uncommon name, however,
as far as I know none of these people referenced above have ever surfaced in nearly three years. Where are they? Canada isnt the end of the world if there was evidence or anyone related to this trial, they could track them down. Its frankly not relevent because there
are no people to back it up. I can say that someone exists, but in this day and age
of electronic information that can go viral in a second and go around the world many times
the fact that none of the people whose names Casey used have any link to her or Caylee.
The fact is she didnt work at Universal. The fact is that there is no Zenaida Gonzalez. The fact is that Caylee was found down the street from Caseys home in an area she knew about with articles take from her home. Unidentified DNA on duct tape doesnt make a case fall apart. The State doesnt even have to use it, if in fact that is true. Its Occam’s razor.
The simpliest explanation is usually the true one. You can go into the vast conspiracy
thing, but if it were not for the enormous publicity generated by the press – that brought in
these attorneys looking for fame, then Casey Anthony would already have been tried and found guilty and been sentenced. I do not believe she will receive the death penalty. I think she will probably get about 30 years of which in Florida she will probably serve a good 3/4 of that sentence. I also think that if you can get through the smoke and mirrors show,
this is a relatively easy case to try. The evidence is overwhelming. Her parents have been
proven to be liars as Cindy was so easily shown, when her boss from work directly testified
to a comletely different story about knowledge of the smell of a dead body. That is how
the whole trial will go. Its easily proven.
JB~ Why would you put a picture up of a man who is more then likely not even related to this case? You talk about what the other blogger did to your friend Sir but it is no different than you insinuating this man could be involved in the kidnapping and murder of Caylee. They are both FELONS, it does not give you the right to make people think this guy is involved.
Why are you all being so mean to the person if left the nasty comment? I read the comments you left at a blog and you called a lady some very nasty names. If you would like I could link them I have screen shots. I think you are trying to make people think bad of her, I have read many of her comments at ITSA’S blog and I can tell you she is not nasty. We are all tired of your blog war. Nothing was done to you, you are not a victim. Personally I think you are a piece of filthy shit. Move on, stop with your emailing every Tom, Dick and Harry th whine about the other bloggers. It shows just ignorant you all really are.
Curi, I really doubt that you have never spoken the truth like Linda did you are so filled with hate it oozes from your nasty mouth. Ask your friend Belle who is taking care of her toddler while she is on the internet, ppo thing was begging for food. Does Belle stand for Casey Anthony wannabe? Who sits on a computer all day and ignore their poor hungry child? Some stupid chick who is no better than Casey.
One other thing JB, if there really is a nanny where the f*** is she? Nobody falls off the face of the earth. and why would Jose let his innocent client sit in jail for 2 years if he had PROOF she did not kill her daughter? I know because he is a client just like You and Casey!
question,
As I was reading your comment, at first I was going to reply, but after reading further, it’s obvious you have another agenda which is not to dispute the topic of my post. With that said, I’ll unapprove your comment.
JB sorry you are subjected to the filth up thread, it appears peoples emotions run high and hot. I respect your view and right to post what you like on your blog. I further see nothing wrong with alternate ideas on the case. If I didn’t like the ideas being kicked around I wouldn’t come here.
Hugs
Spam
curiouser,
It’s nice to see that people can actually agree to disagree and move on without the name calling and nastiness. We’re all different and I respect your perspective too. Outside of this case, I think we agree on a lot of things. Have a great day!
Thank you. You’re a kind and tolerant person.
Hi Spamalot!,
Thanks for your support. When all is said and done, I’d love to have a nice sit down dinner of boiled crawfish and gumbo with a few of the good people I’ve met while following this case and you are one of them. Thanks again.
Question, since I am the author of the above article I will answer your question. Perhaps I should have begun with a disclaimer that it is never my intention to harrass or malign anyone, or imply anything about them that isn’t true. Everything I have written was obtained from public means, via google, my favorite search engine. The photo above is a public photo, a mug shot. This man is more involved in this case than any of the names and addresses given to the public found on private mail. His number is in Casey Anthony’s phone book. His name is quite close to the name on the “work email” and he has used this alias. Here is a myspace using this alias, hair cut short in the profile. It is now private. http://www.myspace.com/40329331 Now, the pic is quite small but I enlarged it and compared to pics of McKeever with short hair, many now not public, and they look like the same person to me. If I’m wrong, I apologize, wholeheartedly. If this man has used this alias it is more than relevant and shows LE did not do their homework. This doesn’t prove he was involved with Caylee in any way but it would prove that she wasn’t lying about everything and that she didn’t make him up.
Here is his music identity: http://www.myspace.com/aquanautmusic Here is his page with his name showing http://www.myspace.com/mckeevercomedy
Hi Zuben,
Thank you for responding to question’s comment. That was the only part of her/his comment that deserved a reply. Everything else was garbage. My apologies for the distraction.
Thank you for the warm welcome. As always, you make a person feel very wanted even if they don’t agree with you. I understand your not wanting to name names, I don’t blame you. I am not nearly as well versed in the case regarding all the evidence as you and Zub are, but I try to think logically and openmindedly (lol…is that a word?). Sometimes I feel that people look at the evidence with a jaundiced eye and see what they want to see. I have to admit that I do that also. But I do try to look at it from others viewpoints and see if I can be swayed from my opinions.
One opinion that I have a hard time dealing with is the opinon that LE somehow manipulated, lied or otherwise skewed the investigation to frame Casey. Being close to LE all my life, I find it hard to believe that they would risk their jobs, credibilty or reputation for her. Most (not all) LE are fine upstanding people doing a job that most of us don’t think about until we need them. When we want them, we want them now. We want them to fix whatever has happened and if they don’t, we want a reason. If we don’t like that reason, then we talk badly about them. If they don’t find the perp, then they are lazy. If they don’t get a conviction, then they messed up the investigation. We are a very hard community to please. It is a very rewarding, but often thankless job. Zub and I had a conversation regarding this and altho I agree there are dishonest, lying LE, I believe that the majority of them are not.
OK, now that my rant is done, I will go back to reading…..thanks for the opportunity to say what I feel without fear of being ridiculed or bashed.
Have a great day.
Linda,
You apologize but state this is no truce? I’m confused, but I accept your apology for my readers. It’s time to move on Linda, don’t you think? I really don’t think anyone cares about my pointing out your angry typos and your over-the-top nasty response here.
Hi EDRN,
It’s been awhile? Glad to see you again!
As for your question, I can answer only for myself. You’re asking if Casey didn’t do it, who do I think did? I have a couple of known players in mind that I’d prefer not to say on a public blogsite. Along with them, there’s a possibility of an unknown sexual child predator since I do believe Caylee’s clothing were not in tack at the time she was placed on Suburban Dr. My answer is No, there’s no conclusive evidence pointing to anyone in particular at this moment. But I also don’t think there’s any physical evidence pointing directly to Casey either. I admit, the circumstances pointing to Casey are damning but they don’t prove she killed Caylee. IMO
Until May 2011, I’ll remain undecided. Nice to see you again, take care.
Hi ERDN. I agree with you that the majority are noble characters, at least I hope it is the majority. Sometimes wanting to win or produce overcomes the quest for truth though. We have read too many stories of withholding evidence, manipulated evidence or witnesses tampering to close our eyes to the possibility. I have seen first hand the dates on docs a year prior to being released to the defense. That is withholding, temporarily and what would the motive be for that? Also, they are human and their biases enter the picture. This would be one quality that would separate the good from the bad cops. We’ve seen on camera, cops acting as bad as the criminal. Actually, it seems LE personel havee the same qualities as the criminal, the ability to use force against another human being, even killing them, entrapment, lying (to get a confession), etc. I’ve also noticed that many that enter the law enforcement field have something in common with some that have entered the military, especially the marine corps. Some have been the underdog or abused as children and seek power they didn’t have then. Power is easily misused if it is sought for the wrong reason.
I wanted to wait until JB answered your question before I did. I agree there are couple of knowns that I would want to check out further but my mind keeps going to the remains scene feeling like the MO of a pedophile. So far we havn’t seen LE look for a hair match outside of LE either. Of course, the defense will have to show opportunity for someone besides Casey to have been the last person to have contact with Caylee, but I’m sure they are on that one as we speak. We know that the clothing she was found with didn’t likely come from the home, since Cindy didn’t recognize the shirt. The shorts were infant size. Her blanket most likely traveled with her, as I would have expected her doll to. But, children will sometimes leave a toy behind while latching on to a blanket for dear life, so I’m not sure on that one. That’s another question I would have liked to have answered, personally for Caylee. If there was someone that watched Caylee sometimes, I suspect the boyfriend or another male that had access. We can’t know if the DNA fragment is male or female because it could have been mixed and only one sex showed up in that small trace. The only person, after Caylee was found that could have put their DNA between the layers of tape is the one that took the layers apart or inspected it afterward. There doesn’t appear to be any of the LE that fit so we are left with an unknown person.
Zub,
I respect your opinion, but do not agree that many join LE for nefarious reasons. I will concede that there may be a few, but it is certainly a minority. To attribute the same qualities to LE as criminals is, I think, a great disservice and a genalized, sweeping statement. As the daughter of a Police Chief and wife of a Police Commander, I find it disturbing that you have such a critical view of LE. I’m not saying that they shouldn’t be held responsible for any misdeeds, whether it be in a court of law, or an Internal Affairs Investigation, or a loss of their job, but to paint the majority of LE with the brush of brutality, lying, mishandling, etc, is unfair. I think, and always will, that our LEO’s are in the business to protect and serve.
As to Casey, I hesitate to debate with you as you are much more informed than I am. So I read your posts and am constantly amazed at your research abilities and your critical thinking skills, so I will wait and see what happens. You may all be right. Far be it from me to try and dissuade you from your opinions. I am not at all sure what happened to Caylee. But I am sure I would not be a good candidate for an intelligent debate about the evidence. So, that said..thank you for your opinions and your research. You do keep me thinking!
Hello again EDRN,
I forgot to tell you how much I really do respect the members of LE. I consider the fact that LEO’s are human which means they are not perfect but who is? My grandfather was an NOPD officer from 1925 to 1955 here in New Orleans. His beat was the French Quarter and he was always proud to say he never used his gun in his entire career. He was the cop who would put a drunk on the streets in a cab before locking them up for disturbing the peace. He knew the cabbies on first name basis and always made sure they got paid. Even though this is old school, there’s still a few LEO’s who do it this way today. They instinctly know difference between the drunks and the violent criminals. So I’m proud to say my grandfather was a good cop and a good man. And I know you’re proud of your father and IIRC your husband as well.
I believe what Zuben is referring to is the negative reports we’ve all heard through the media? Or he may have some first hand knowledge? I don’t know. I’ve had both. I’ve had detectives try and pin things on my son when he was a juvenile. <– (oops blog fodder) Had I not had money to pay an attorney at the time, he might not be the law abiding young man he is today.
Generally speaking, I will say LE is just like any other profession. There's good ones and there's bad ones. Sometimes it can be just one of the higher-ups of a department which can cause corruption as well. This is when they can become even more dangerous.
Here in New Orleans we have 2 X-Cops on death row. One is Len Davis, the other is Antionette Frank. Len Davis had a witness shot and killed because she was going to testify against him in brutality case. His side job besides being an officer was to protect a drug warehouse for a drug king. Antionette Frank killed 2 teens and a fellow NOPD officer who was working a detail at a restaurant, while she and her friend tried to rob the place. Add that to what's in the news, the shootings on Danzigger Bridge during Hurr. Katrina. These are only the big cases in one city so I'm sure other cities have their share of corruption too. Saying this I think the mistrust of LE is understandable. But since they are the one's who protect us, I'll will respect them and give the officer the benefit of doubt. The benefit of doubt that they deserve.
Wow, long comment…lol
Agreed…there is corruption and bad behavior and crimes committed by LEO’s, but to paint the majority of them as such is ridiculously unfair. Agreed also that there are “undesirables” in every profession. We do see things in the media about bad cops, but when do we ever see articles about good cops. We don’t (at least very often). “Bad cop” stories sell papers, or attract bloggers in this day and age. We are a society that wants to read about “bad stuff”. I think, and all this is my personal opinion, that it gives us a sense of satisfaction and superiority that, given the same situation, we would never have reacted that way, when in reality, the general public has no idea how stressful LE’s lives are. Who among us make life and death decisions in a split second every time we go to work? Who has the public watching and criticizing every move we make? If they let them go, they are too lazy to write a report. If they wrestle to arrest them, they brutalized them? No matter the decision made, LE will always be wrong in the eyes of someone. I for one am glad to have them.
Yes, I am happy to have them too. Do you know in my little neck of the woods 15miles outside of N.O., I found a notice on my door from the local PD, This is what it read.
Your property is checked on a regular basis in an effort to guard against intruders and discourage criminal activity.
Check was completed on 9-15-10 @ 12:30AM
How cool is that?
JB, Zub and others….I want to apoolgize for my rants. As you can all tell, I feel very strongly about LE. I, admittedly, am biased. I want you all to know, I respect your opinions however different they are from mine, and I want to thank you for the opportunity to voice mine.
Very cool…other departments could learn from them.
Thanks, JB. I couldn’t have said it better. ERDN, I meant no harm and I’m sure both your family members and JB’s grandfather are noble characters, as are many in that profession or any other. I never said most and certainly didn’t mean that either. You said yourself that they are called upon to make life and death decisions and that supports my point. They have to be capable of pulling the trigger if they judge it to be necessary. They may base their decision on something different than the criminal but they share a quality in common. That is my point. Some (that is some, not most) can’t handle that power without it going to their head and those are the ones that are represented in the news. Please don’t be offended by my observation. My intention isn’t to defame the profession or to say all or even most misuse power.
It is a fact that LE did not release any document that shows they followed up on the other email addresses and they made a false statement about a couple that they did check up on. Saying a closed account doesn’t exist is a false statement. What would be the motive for that? If JB sees fit to post any more of what I sent her you are going to see more of my observations. If any of them are not based on known fact, please let me know. Again, I am not grouping your family in with my observation of what I have observed in this case. I certainly understand though, that this would be a sensitive subject for you and respect that. That’s why I’ve made the extra effort to clarify. I’m glad you’re here.
Thank you Zub
JB & Zub, I went through every phone record & contact list for KC looking for specific things. Kc’s entire life was in her phone and laptop. Even if a number did not work anymore it’s common to still have it in memory. There was a Jeffery Hopkins in the Sim & Phone. Someone tried calling the number 3 times with the longest be 5 second duration. There was no Juliet Lewis and above all no listing for Zanny. On June 16, 08 I started looking for at least repetitive calls to a number that could be entered, none. With the way KC speed dialed everyone under the sun it seems unreasonable that she would not have a listing named Zanny in her phone. KC and Zanny must have had ESP in order to know when where and how Caylee was going to be picked up. Related, that bugs me, you would think that Baez would have tried to locate Jeff, & Juliet to back KC’s story. I still believe that they would have been found or come forward by now. The PA would not want this pair showing up next May. The Universal interview is where this case was blown! They had KC and after she admitted that she lied they could have gone over the story question at a time. Instead LE talked about themselves and continually cut KC off. They missed out on a lot of info. I don’t believe we will ever know what really happened.
You make a couple of good points Damagdpets. There is some activity on the phone that raised questions in my mind though. Is it possible someone might use IM rather than the phone if that was more expensive? I noticed some interesting activity with numbers beginning with 11. How about communication through myspace private messages? There is some interesting activity there but LE never bothered to collect those or the public comments that were deleted for that crucial period. There were a couple left just a couple hours after the Dora-Zenaida myspace was created. There were a couple more and a private message, along with an image comment mid afternoon. I would think that would be a natural part of their investigation but they didn’t bother to be interested. What about the calls to Lexus, first time being 4:10, following a myspace comment then called like clockwork each afternoon for a while? A number showing up for the first time on the 16th should be considered important, I would think. This is the number that precedes the flurry of calls trying to reach her mother. That period of calls looks frantic to me. Could the communication have come through facebook private messages? There is one just before 5 that day, the time she said she tried to retrieve Caylee. But LE isn’t interested, I guess. No facebook subpoena. Can you actually read those messages through your phone?
She claims she knew two Jeffrey H, one with middle name Dale, in her phone memory, and the other one middle name Michael. I don’t have reason to doubt that but LE didn’t bother to even search or inquire about this particular name. I know one man who has the same exact name, including middle name as 25 other licensed individuals in the same state. Still, it does seem like she would have had the numbers in her phone unless she recently lost access to the Black Jack and that is where those numbers were, or if the numbers were memorized. She seems to have lied about getting a call on the 15th but there are some numbers I wasn’t able to connect to a person so who knows. Then there is the possibility that most of what she said was a lie in order to follow instructions or to protect someone. The idea that she might have been afraid to tell anyone isn’t completely out of the question. I’m sure not every one that has someone kidnapped thinks that the loved one will be safe if they go to LE when they are warned not to. If she didn’t have confidence in LE there (and she did know some personally) that might make it even more believable. But I am thinking it is possible, for a period of time, she didn’t think Caylee was in danger. There was one night, too, it looked to me like she was out looking for her, to the East. There is strange phone movement that night.
We have no way of knowing if Baez has had his PI tracking down these people. If someone did take Caylee, they surely won’t come forward voluntarily. If Juliet or Jeff do actually exist in this story, we won’t necessarily know if the defense has found them until they are listed as witnesses, or perhaps it might be revealed through the PI invoice. Then there is the other possibility that this was a horrible accident and she made it all up to cover up. There are still too many unanswered questions. I worry too, that we may never know what happened. The defense doesn’t have to prove anything and if they don’t know what happened, if Casey dosen’t know, they can’t prove it anyway. All they have to do is show there is nothing connecting Casey to Caylee’s body at the time of her death and being left at the grave site. I think that will be pretty easy to do, with the evidence we’ve read and with the team they have gathered. They can potentially convince a jury that not only is there no evidence Casey handled her body, that someone else left their traces behind, the real killer.
Hi Damagdpets & Zuben,
I understand the phone dilemma and I have wondered too who is “Zanny”? IMO, Zanny is simply a backup babysitter Casey used when Cindy wasn’t available. Or it could have been a generic name given to anyone who watched Caylee?? IDK, but I’m not convinced that a babysitter did not exist.
If there were a way to cross match Cindy’s work schedule with KC’s activities dating back to May 08, it would give us a ball park figure as to which days Cindy was available to babysit Caylee. Then compare them to the times when Casey was out with friends alone. This would be one incredible timeline but I think it could be done if someone had the correct information.
On the days Casey was out and when Cindy wasn’t babysitting, then Who was? On these particular days, what was Casey’s up to? Check her phone calls, messages, IMs, computer activity, etc? This could narrow it down to the person who possibly babysits Caylee.
It’s possible, KC didn’t have her babysitter’s direct name stored on her phone contacts because she didn’t want Cindy to contact this person. This leads me to the question “why”. Who would Cindy not approve to watch Caylee? Hmmm…
I am surprised discovery was not released this weekend. In this discovery my understanding is JB an Mason says things were held back by SOA. I am very surprised that JB and Mason have not filed motion regarding this and have the SOA removed from the case. I do remember JP said all motions will be taken care of in 15 days. What are others thought on this? Can JB and Mason ask that the SOA be removed for withholding such damaging evidence that would help their client?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWb_ZztZOKM&feature=related I found this quite interesting, Chaney Mason is just so professional, don’t you think.
JB, you just added to my list of possibilities. She may have wanted to hide Zenaida, the Hispanic, if her mother is biased at all because she might not have approved. She might have hidden Zanny if she provided daycare for a group of escorts that planned events or anything like that.
Diane, I’ve been wondering the same thing, and why they are waiting so long to release it to the public. What determines how long they wait and why is it so long this time? There was one release to the defense some time back that I never saw released to the public too and still wonder what was in that dump. Oh, and we must not forget that interesting release that was missing the unknown dna fragment the first time around and the defense did their civic duty by giving it to Conway so he could share it with the public. I would have to say, while their may not be overwhelming physical evidence that Casey had anything to do with killing and placing Caylee on Suburban drive, there is overwhelming physical evidence that the state is trying to paint the picture their way with the release of “evidence”. All one has to do is look at what’s missing and compare dates on docs to release date, eliminating all the repeats, of course.
Bozo, yes, I see him as both very professional and human. Remember, all those video clips people are referring to and using against Mason are statements he made when only privy to what the state and media wanted us to think and know. Once he got the inside story and saw everything up to the point he joined the team, he made some clear and confident statements. What he says when he is in the know is much more important than what he says as a guest on a news program with only limited and one sided information. I watched Kobalinski (sp) before and after too. His change was due to actually finding out more about what that evidence of “death” on the hair from the trunk actually was, I believe. Remember, while the media and bloggers are calling it a death band, the report doesn’t use that terminology. We don’t know what they saw at this point. What ever it was, it was little enough that the inspector said she wished there were more hairs so she could know it wasn’t just an anomaly.
Have a great Sunday all.
OK went back and looked at some of the things Cindy said when this first happened. One of the things that has bothered me is when Cindy wrote on myspace on July 3rd, and sent Lee to find Casey why did she not try to call Zanny since she said she had her phone number, and the night she found Casey wonder why she did not tell Casey ok lets call Zanny since you do not want to disturb Caylee and I will talk with Zanny and make sure Caylee is ok. I think that is what I would have done just does not make sense to me after I re-read it again.
Zuben,
His name is Dr. Larry Kobilinski, Remember he questioned Dr. G’s autopsy report.
quote from http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19795725/detail.html
Forensics expert Dr. Larry Kobilinski is advising Casey Anthony’s defense team. He questioned much of what was included in the autopsy report.
“That is really not clear cut, I must say. It is not clear how the child died and if you don’t know how the child died, you really can’t know it was a homicide,” Kobilinski said.
Kobilinski noted that it only takes two weeks for a body to skeletonize in a Florida swamp, and he questioned the medical examiner’s conclusions about when the body was put in the woods.
“I think that there are experts that might disagree with that. There is a question about when the body was placed there,” Kobilinski said.
In my opinion, this is the reason so many experts and lawyers have joined Casey’s defense team.
oh diane,
The July 3rd mySpace post has bothered since the first time I read it. Cindy claims she didn’t know Caylee was missing when the name of the post is “My Caylee is Missing”
It’s a mystery to me why anyone would write such a thing on a public website. This kind of points to what George Anthony said “an accident cover-up”. But how does a whole family get involved in this? And if it’s an accident, why cover it up at all? Questions, questions..
such as .. Where are the new documents??? Hmm..I think something is going on in Judge Perry’s courtroom too.
JB, thanks for the reminder, proper spelling and the link. Yes, I recall him saying that now that you refreshed my memory. Look how fast NG dropped him from her group of guests!
Diane, you may have a good point but we don’t really know everything that was said during those hours before LE finally showed up or what their conversations on the phone consisted of. When someone has been through what Cindy went through that night, they aren’t very good at recalling everything said. We do know she said she gave a piece of paper to LE with a number on it but that paper has never made its way into discovery so I have no idea what that number was or who it belonged to. As for her July myspace, that bothers me too. But, do we know at what point Casey told her that she was with Zanny and not with her? I believe for much of the time she thought Casey was away with Caylee, with Zanny and with Jeff Hopkins.
JMO but I think Cindy was finding out about all the lies, money being stole etc,she knew this on July 3rd by her on myspace “My Caylee is missing”, I think she knew something was terribly wrong but wanted to confront Casey in person. I think she called the numbers Casey gave her and found out they were not the numbers for Zanny. Casey then would tell her that Zanny changed her number. I think this went on several times. ON July 3rd Cindy was desperate and did not know how to reach out to Casey except this way. I think she was very worried about Caylee and began to suspect something was just not right. I think anytime
Cindy would confront Casey about anything Casey would throw a fit and Cindy did not want to deal with her temper tantrums. She wore her parents down with this. Better not to confront her than to have to deal with the tantrums. This is JMO I could be wrong just guessing why grandparents who seen their grandchild everyday would not be more proactive in finding where their grandchild was if they thought she was missing and had not even heard her voice.
More…If I remember correctly Cindy said she had a paper with several numbers for Zanny. It was supposedly given to LE, Cindy’s phone did not have a Zanny in it or a work number for KC @ Universal. ..Not in discovery yet as well, the alternate ID (guessing) that came from Casey’s purse that LE took from Lee & Cindy. Back to the phone, unless KC’s phone had Internet access she wouldn’t be able to call up My Space from her cell. There is nothing in the discovery that shows Cindy ever tried calling a number Zanny June 16th-July 16th, or claimed that she did. On July 16th Cindy comes unglued and calls 911 3 times….how many times did she try those numbers she had for Zanny? Or did Sherlock Lee try to confirm those? All of Cindy’s calls to KC went to voice mail and shows KC would listen to the voice mails and then call back. I think she bought time to think of what excuse to give her mom and make it work. I’m scattered today…too many thoughts, looking for answers.
Diane, that is a possibility. It is sometimes easier to repress or go into denial than to face a problem.
Damagdpets, good point about the item taken from her purse. If it was an alternate ID there is no way LE would withhold it though because that would be a bonus for them and help their case. So what could it have been, where is it and why has it disappeared? I think the fact that Lee (I believe it was) talked about it, even though it could possibily be incriminating for Casey, shows that they aren’t trying to cover for her. The whole family has said negative things about her. They aren’t trying to hid her darker side, IMO.
Casey did have communication between her phone and the internet. She had facebook, myspace alerts, at least, and IM messages coming to her phone. Here is a little bit I’ve learned about some of the short code numbers showing in her cell records.
192466 Yahoo! Messenger for mobile
This is the number that shows when she signs off from IM. The message says if she wants to log back in to select reply and type “in ” It is also shown as a general yahoo search number for mobile. Doc p2865 says, signed off at 3:05 on 7/12 and p2897 shows at 12:06:15 on 7/17 the text says “You have been signed out of yahoo instant messenger. To sign back in, select reply and type in .”
There are a whole lot of entries saying nothing but 11. I think these are times she either had the service turned off or someone she hadn’t accepted messages from what trying to IM her. Not sure there.
1110440601 Yahoo IM sent from mail to phone. You can see on July 3 she is communicating back and for with someone. So she must be able to see the messages from IM.
1110440104 Yahoo IM sent from messenger to phone. See http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080712012424AA7A94r
1111301000 See June 18 at 5:17. Appears to be a blank message that a lot of people get. One said it is an image that the phone doesn’t support. All said it took their minutes if they opened it. This page shows it is from yahoo messenger: The 1st two she never responds to but the last number was a number texting back and forth throughout early June before Caylee went missing. One question site said they were getting African scams and another said someone hitting on her. http://mobile.yahoo.com/messenger/sms/receive-reply Another forum says all IM come through with 111 area code, yahoo, aol, win live chat, etc. A guy in telecommunications said these numbers are used by phishers to test if the number receving it is real.
1111509410 shows up as a cell phone in China, among other things. See http://www.message2china.com/en/profile/A_C_1111509410/profile.html
1111487799 is her July 15 confirmation email from ATT saying her bill was just paid, that is before notice came though that there was insufficient funds in Amy’s account. But this shows yahoo mail coming to her phone.
132655 facebook SMS alerts with additional numbers at the end are facebook messages. I assume the additional numbers would show the member id. See http://www.facebook.com/mobile/ for what is available.
697720 Myspace Friend alert
697721 MS blog comment
697722 MS profile comment
697723 MS image comment
697724 MS private message
697725 MS likely an invite or event alert
Hi Damagdpets,
I’m fairly sure KC did have internet access thru one of her cell phones, probably the missing Blackberry. I believe this is how she checked her email and messages on mySpace and FB. This may be the reason for the confusion with the digital forensics Zuben ran across.
All of the sleuthing and investigation thats needed in this case must be frustrating for the investigators. This is why they need one good piece of physical evidence to remove all doubt, IMO. Unfortunately, they don’t have it or it just hasn’t been released yet.
I’m scattered today too Damagd. Football, cooking and cleaning. Gah, we really could use another doc dump with some answers. Maybe that would help.
Have a nice evening.
diane,
The July 3rd mySpace message has been disected to pieces, yet I still think Cindy was either told to write it or she already had an inkling that someone took Caylee. We don’t know what was said in all of those phone calls. Maybe Casey told her she couldn’t reach ZG?
But whatever reason, I couldn’t imagine using those words unless it was true. She cleaned it up by saying how despicable of a person Casey was…but bottom line, IF I had any reason to believe my grandchild was in harms way, you bet I would have called 911. I can always tell my daughter what I think of her to her face. It’s not necessary to announce it to the world. JMHO
On the July 3rd “My Caylee Is Missing” Cindy later said she just posted that because she wanted Casey to be her friend. This IMO is another lie she told. So many things in this case I find strange from the family and Casey. Also how can a car that was towed and sit in an impound have but one fingerprint on it. I think that some major covering up was done by the family, I could be wrong but have heard no explantion of their strange behavior and how they can justify what they have done. More harm was done by this family covering-up than good. It seems by their actions they think she is guilty or why would they do the things they seem to have done and lied like they have. IMO this has really hurt Caseys case.
Hi diane,
I agree with you on the July 3rd mySpace entry. It sounds sooo bogus and I don’t know why Cindy would post such a stupid letter about Casey. She never seemed to have a problem telling her what she thought before. Why the public announcement? Doesn’t make sense but what does in this fiasco? lol And it’s true, I don’t see where Cindy helped Casey’s case at all.
Still no new documents??? Hmm..I wonder why.
Diane, G&C admitted they cleaned the car up a bit….they only know to what extent, LE only knows what they told them. I agree that it is suspicious the amount of finger prints that were found. The whole car business, no prints on the duct tape or garbage bag is starting to remind me of the Immaculate Conception.
Diane, the myspace entry makes mo sense to me either. Have we seen specific questions to her and her answers about this myspace? I believe there were fingerprints on the car and if there weren’t, we surely would have heard a question about it in their deposition. Cindy said she gathered some things from the car, put them to air out, washed the pants and sprayed febreeze before going back to work. The timing fits that, from what I can tell and have no reason to think she did more. There were no questions and answers in their depositions or i the reports on the car to lead me to believe otherwise. I do believe the backpack was lacking prints though. From what I have seen there is no evidence that the A family did anything to cover up anything. I recently reread one of Cindy’s transcripts and was taken back at the way she describes Wanda Weary telling her that LE interviewed her at McDonalds then leaned over and told her Caylee was dead already that early in the case. That statement would have told me they aren’t looking for anything other than to make a case against my daughter and that is the conclusion Cindy was already coming too. This woman called Cindy because of the lack of response and attitude she got from OCSO.
OK, I tracked it down. See page 13 of this motion to compel forensic discovery filed by Baden. Remember that motion filed way back last May? Have we seen any of this yet? Has the defense received any of it? http://www.wftv.com/pdf/23621537/detail.html There were 18 latent prints they are awaiting info on and one partial print specifically noted as being found on the trunk that Baden is demanding they turn over. Originally this demand for discovery was addressed to both the FBI and OCSO but there is a note saying that only OCSO is now being addressed.
Zuben, I could be wrong but I thought that JA said in one of the hearings that the defense had everything on the prints except maybe for one. I did read somewhere that only one print found on the car and that was on the trunk also no prints found on trash bag. It seems no prints much of anywhere. This is the cleanest crime I have ever seen. Person would think Anthony family prints would be everywhere after all Caylee lived with them. Also Casey prints should be on something. If trash bag came from Tonys why no prints there no Casey prints, no Tony prints no roommate prints. Bet if they would check my trash for prints they would find them. As far as Cindy I respectfully have to disagree regarding her trying to cover for Casey. She has lied time and time again and in the trial I think this will be brought out. She does not see that these are lies she is telling just mis-truths or half-truths as she has said regarding Caseys lies. If she truly beleived Caylee was alive why would she let an unknown child be cremeted and wear those ashes around her neck. These are some of the strange things I was talking about.
JA had been denying there was any print evidence at all even though one image slipped through in discovery. As far as I’ve seen they have given them nothing on the prints so if he said that I think he is still trying to say there are no prints. That is why Baez started mentioning prints in the hearings. Linda Baden said there are 18 latents referred to by Bloise and she must have gotten that from somewhere. I doubt it she would go to the trouble to include them in a special motion if there was no reason to believe they are being withheld. She specifically names Bloise Now, I haven’t seen the document that she is referring to but I remember a document dump that we never saw last year too so maybe there was something in there. I would expect the whole family’s prints to be on the car and George would surely know it would be suspicious to wipe it clean. He was LE, after all.
I don’t think it would serve any purpose to debate what lies Cindy A told but I do have a question. If she thoroughly cleaned, which would include vacuming and wiping the car down, to remove evidence why wouldn’t there have been any questions from the SA in the deposition about washing or vacuming the car or why there were no prints if they didn’t clean it? There were no questions like that at all.
Slightly off topic but I ran across an abstract of an article I’d love to read in full. http://www.biomedsearch.com/nih/Early-adipocere-formation-case-report/19782320.html It is a study on adipocere formations done last year.
“Adipocere has a long history of frightening and fascinating mankind, from so called “incorruptible saints” to the famous “iceman” and its formation on human remains has long been known and feared. Adipocere formation replaces the putrefactive changes, when the body lies buried in shallow, moist, clay, soiled grave or it is thrown into cess pools or submerged in water. As the progression of putrefaction is arrested, the facial features and wounds are preserved without much alteration, thereby aiding the identification and to certain extent, the cause of death. The time required for the formation of adipocere is a subject of controversy. Here we present a case of early adipocere formation within 3 days and the review of literature pertaining to it.”
Although I think this is getting away from the topic of digital forensics..it has been a focus of discussion here. I have some fairly strong suspicions, & opinions, related to Cindy’s my space entry and Casey’s overall life at home. So although they are only my opinions I feel a need to express them.
First of all Cindy’s my space entry. I find nothing mysterious about this entry.
Cindy did not know Caylee was “missing” per se. Nor do I believe that she
thought something horrible had happened. I do believe she was justifying her actions of wrapping her hands around Casey’s throat..while pointing out all the bad things Casey had done. That was meant to be read by all.. Casey..any of Casey’s friends…thats why she chose my space a public forum. She wanted everyone to read everything about Casey, as justification for her actions toward Casey. It was also maybe tainted with a little revenge, for Casey not letting Cindy see her.Jealousy was a dig.. So if Casey, as Cindy says, tells all her friends she is controlling..AS WELL..as she choked her, then she has pointed out for all the world to see..that Casey betrayed her.That she lied..stole.. as she says LOTS of money..which Cindy felt justified her actions.
Cindy had lost control. The control she had over Casey. When she said come home..Casey
did..Because she was living at her house and because Cindy babysat..Casey did respect
Cindy’s requests and did as asked. However, Casey was not staying at home after the
argument with Cindy. And frankly, I don’t blame her. IMO putting your hands to someones throat is pretty dramatic..and must have been traumatic..considering it was her mother.
If Cindy was so angry about the money and the lies..than she had other options. She could
have let them press charges against her for that matter.
But I lose respect for Cindy in the fact that she reacted physically! Now, having said that..to what extreme did she go? Most
people who would be angry enough to put their hands around someone’s neck, are not in
control of their anger. Therefore..it would be considered blind rage, she was blind to her actions and at the time of the out burst, she was also blind to the effect her actions, including the possible repercussions later for her self. Her action was an out burst of emotion, devoid of thought, and only represented by a single emotion, anger! How far
did it go? Again, if someone is now in blind rage..has been as dramatic to grab someone by
the throat..they do not do so without any pressure being applied. How far did it go?
Have any of you had anything like this happen before? I have. It was VERY traumatic. And
every time I think of Cindy doing that , it makes me wonder. How far did it go?
There is absolutely nothing, other than self defense, that would constitute someone
putting their hands around your neck!!! Nothing! That was a very dramatic display of
Cindy’s anger. It was physical abuse. How many people do you think have spent life, for
displaying their anger in this mannerism? It is a very dangerous display!
Also, this being Cindy’s reaction to her rage, Cindy has a problem. This is not normal.
Think back at your angriest moment ever..maybe you pushed..slapped..shoved..hit..
screamed hateful things..hit something else..threw something..broke something..slammed doors..etc. Have you EVER even just put your hands around someones neck? Do you realize what
it takes to do that? Do you have any concept what that effect has on another
person..physically..or emotionally?
Was this the first time she ever put a hand on Casey? Seems pretty dramatic if it was.
Casey’s low self esteem..could very well have been a result of abuse. Verbal..physical..
sexually or else wise. Which would also account for her sexual promiscuity.
Casey did not graduate..she seems intelligent..why?But Cindy felt it was necessary to tell everyone she did? When
she was pregnant..Cindy knew..but denied it to all..including her family. It seems Cindy
is some what concerned about image.. What kind of standards did she have for Casey? Were they too high for Casey to meet? Was she sexually
molested..or at the very least fondled..
IMO if Casey had went to Cindy with a situation pertaining to Lee or George..Cindy
would have not believed..or accepted. Which is generally a fairly normal response. Denial.
But in Cindy’s world..I believe denial would hold more weight..because I have a feeling she
is an idealist. And nothing less than perfection..would be acceptable.
An estimated 60% of teen first pregnancies are preceded by experiences of molestation…Victims of child sexual abuse are more likely to be sexually promiscuous.
Young girls who are sexually abused are 3 times more likely to develop psychiatric disorders or alcohol and drug abuse in adulthood, than girls who are not sexually abused.
I have not been convinced that more was not happening on the home front. Because Casey
lied allegedly, and quite frankly I am supportive of Zubens research pertaining to..does that mean that she lied of abuse? I am not so sure of that. And because George wrote her a letter saying how could you do that to the family, to Casey..I am to take it as true to the word?
Or was he saying how could you reveal these things. How could you hurt everyone by making them public?
George went before the grand jury. George wasted no words in the investigation interview
about Casey. He in fact IMO offered more information than was requested. I found that
then and now a little disturbing. Why was he so hasty to offer up so much.
I do a lot of weighing before making assumptions..so these are only thoughts that have occured. Not know what her home life consisted of..I can not and won’t pass judgement..
but they certainly are possibilities ..
And thou I have not commented before when given the discussion;
As far as the A’s actions and reactions throughout..I am not in their shoes..nor would I want to be! It has to be living nightmare! For all of them. The loss of Caylee..being foremost..and now the possibility of Casey DP. Not to mention if there were circumstances that existed at home that somehow down the long road..led to danger and Caylee’s unfortunate destiny..as well as Casey’s undetermined destiny..then they also burden the guilt if only within themselves of the roles they played. At the very least Cindy’s reactions warrant regret.
We all are human..all err I do not doubt that there is love in the family. As far as a cover up..
Quite frankly..I don’t believe there is. I think everything has been laid on the table..If there
has been a cover up..or an attempt to cover up in the beginning with the car and the uncertainty of what happened..To be honest..I don’t know what I would do. If any and all of
you are able to honestly say..that you know exactly what you would do..more power to you.
It seems in this case..everyone is so sure of all..they seem to for the most part be very morally ethical… although most having all those morals..blog with vicious words of hate..
and most could use a bar of soap for their mouth.
Snoop, thank you. You’ve given me a lot to think about, none of it pleasant. Yes, I have experienced someone’s hands around my throat and it is probably the most frightening experience of my life. I haven’t come to the conclusion that the fight heard by the neighbor was physical though. They didn’t witness anything but yelling, not Cindy, Casey. If Cindy was in enough of a rage to choke her I wouldn’t expect her to be calmly talking as the witness heard. I know Furman is claiming it is true but I have to reason to believe him. I’m trying to gather in my mind all the sources that claim this as fact. I think Lee said it but he didn’t witness it? Did he get that from Casey? I don’t recall LE or the SA asking Cindy about it at all either.
That being said, I would think the digital forensics could support or not support this being fact. I can’t imagine her going about her normal routine without some evidence of her being in a different emotional state than usual. If it did happen, I agree, that in itself could put Casey into a different plane, psychically, an alternate reality. When I had this experience I spent quite a long period of time trying to determine what reality actually was. The following day, I had a speaking engagement before a group of medical professionals that was held inside a building that was also, or had been a facility for housing mentally ill people. Somehow, when I left to go back to my car, I took a wrong turn and ended up locked out of the building trapped in a small fenced in area. This added to the feeling that I had lost my reality. I finally got out when the man assigned to the guard post within yelling distance, came back from his lunch break. When I got back to my car, I found I forgot to lock it and I had left my wallet in there. So, I checked to make sure nothing was missing and thought my credit card was stolen. I found it after I had reported it and shut it down but my mind just wasn’t right during that time of recovery from that event. It’s hard to explain but I have a feeling you will understand.
If Casey did go though this kind of traumatic event, she would certainly not be thinking clearly and could have made some poor choices or not have been alert to what was going on in the world of reality, which would make Caylee more vulnerable than normal. So, do we know for a fact that Cindy got this physical with her? I don’t remember reading anything that would convince me. Looking at the digital activity for June 15th, I don’t see evidence there either. The only hint that might support a fight that night is the towers only South of the home being hit from 8:15 till 8:53pm, avoiding the one commonly hit to the NW of the home. If she did leave, she didn’t go far and likely went to her friend’s that is a neighbor. But we haven’t read that to be the case, through anyone that has been interviewed.
Of course, I did find a Silva that is a realtor that lives in that area, is their neighbor. Remember, Casey said Sandra Silva is her doctor but the number she had for her in her phone is a cell, not a land line. I found no SS that is a licensed in Orlando. I wondered though, if this could be the wife of the male doctor with that name but still she would need a license if she is being called a doctor, even if a physician’s assistant. This leads me to remember Casey saying she has already given them all the clues they need. This false information about who Caylee’s doctor is would certainly be one, if it is false, as it appears to be.
So, convince me that they did, in fact have this type of violent fight on the evening of June 15 and then I’ll try to figure out why only those two towers were being hit during that 30+ period, where she might have been. She could have been anywhere in the Lee Vista and Narcoossee Rd area. But there is both a Walmart and a Publix over that way, between those towers so she could have simply run an errand. A half hour would be about right for a quick trip to pick up a couple of things. If she had just been physically attacked it would take her more than a half hour to recover and want to go home. Also, the cell activity during that time includes Amy, Tony and an incoming and outgoing to facebook during that time. I don’t think this night shows her to be shaken up from an altercation at the home. What I have read from the texts don’t lead me to believe that either but it is possibile she wouldn’t tell Amy or Tony what happened. Sill, she seems to have told people about her problems with her mom so I can’t see why she wouldn’t have the need to share something so traumatic.
Gosh Snoop what you posted made me so sad. If this was what was going on in the home I can understand some of what Casey was feeling, my God the girl must have felt so trapped and must have thought she had no one to turn too. Lee would have backed his mom for sure. Casey must have felt so alone, and to be so young and with a young child. I do not understand people who hate because I say for ” The Grace Of God Go I”. This could be my daughter and even if I do think the Anthonys did some thngs they should have not done it does not make me hate them or Casey. People ned to place themselves others shoes and maybe they would look at some things a little different.
Wow Snoop,
It seems to me you have a good handle on the Anthony family dynamics. As for what Cindy wrote on July 3rd, the title of the post is strange to me considering the fact that it was true, Caylee was missing. Putting that aside, now that you’ve reminded me of the presumed attack on Casey, it’s a little bit understandable. I wish Cindy would have titled the piece, My Daughter the Liar. But..maybe with Casey NOT too happy with being attacked??? Who know’s what Casey would have divulged about the “family”?? Cindy calls her a liar before she gets the chance. She also tell Ryan Pasley, Casey is NOT to be believed, she’s a sociopath. Why would Cindy go on the defensive, unless she expected Casey to TELL.
I agree with your entire post.
It explains alot. It could explain GA’s suicide attempt. IF Casey is telling one truth, she was molested, indeed this would hurt the family. GA knows in the investigation, this topic could arise in the investigation.
Hmm…thanks for giving me something to think about. Great post.
This is the greatest reading blog because it has such investigative commenters. Makes one think, not just agree or disagree. Wish I had more brain to participate a lot but haven’t had the time to keep all the information in my frontal lobe. ( is that a place? ) Thank you all for your contributions about this case.
Hi Comment,
So true, it’s not much disagreement or agreement here, Mostly discussion. I appreciate your input here. The door is open for all perspectives. Jump in anytime. Thanks again.
Thanks for the compliment.
Diane, now I know why I like you. It takes a great person to not hate and to not to pass judgment too hastily or without all the real facts, keeping an open mind in the mean time.
Comment, don’t sell yourself short. It takes a lot of time, and seeing these facts repeatedly (at least for me) to keep them in the front of the mind for recall. I have neglected some other things I could have been doing in order to invest the time it took for what research I’ve done. I would like to know if this altercation really happened because if it did, it would shed new light on Casey’s activities. If she was able to carry on normal sounding texts after that then she certainly had to go into a state of denial or repression, enter an illusory world to carry it off. She may be a liar, but she isn’t a good liar so I believe it would take an altered mental state to carry on as if nothing had happened, either after being choked or following something horrible happening to Caylee.
Doc dump today!!
http://www.wftv.com/video/25100067/index.html
here’s the audio tape of TM and Sgt. Allen. Obviously, this info will be used by the SAO’s to respond to the Defense in regard to the area where Caylee was found. TM did however acknowledge that James Hoover came to his tent to tell him Suburban Dr. was the most likely area. Hmmm…he blows him off yet later he refers to this area as a “hot spot”? IDK..
It’s Dec11, 2009, and now TM is able to produce documentation for James Hoover, Joe Jordan, Laura Buchanan, Danny Ebison, Helen Davis and a few others. Ironically, he agrees with Sgt. Allen, these papers could have been filled out by anyone at any time…lol This was to malign LB and JJ, but it could be used against TES too, imho.
My 1st impression of the audio…
TM is over emphasizing the “X on the map” incident and minimizing everything else.
Something makes me wonder why JB did not really find more about Caseys mental health status more than he did. I worked in the Mental Health field for about 40 years and though it is not seen very often Casey could have dissociated from reality. Sorry if I spelled it wrong ,old now cannot remember as well how to spell. Like I said I have rarely seen this but in true cases the person does not re-call some things and can totally remove themselves from a situation. It is not as they were lying but that they really beleive what they are saying, they have no idea of what the reality is. I remember a case many many years ago that I was able to be with the physician and he used what most people would call a truth serum to get the patient to re-call an event that had happened to her and the patient while under told a completely different version of events. I only seen this used the one time of course many years ago lots of things were done different. It does make me wonder about Casey and what is going on in her mind.
Thanks, JB. I’ve been so busy today, I hadn’t been able to go get it yet. Will be tomorrow too so I’d better get a little time in tonight. Let me know if you find a bombshell before I have a chance to go through it all.
I took a look at the phone records to see if there is indication that Cindy sent Casey a friend request right after she wrote the myspace blog. She didn’t send a friend request but it looks like she may have sent her a private message. See 7/03 at 20:47, just 3 minutes after this was published. Following, Casey called the back door to voicemail and picked up a message from the home phone. Then Tony’s world took over, a call coming in from one of the shot girls.
Hi diane & Zuben,
I’m skimming thru them now. So far, no bombshells..
bbl guys..
The part of Tim’s interview that bothered me the most was his reference to 1100 searches and the Anthony’s would not get involved with the searches. Tim claimed that he was there for 4 days and never heard KC mention Caylee’s name or offered to help in any way. This is totally different than what KC said in jail about not being able to help because she was not home. As far as the X on the map….even if she would have done that more than likely it would have been marked in another country! George driving around the hotel. I have a strange feeling that George either felt guilty about what happened or he really had something to tell Tim but couldn’t get the nerve to do so. Pretty sure the thought of what CIndy might do to him changed his mind.
Damagdpets, I have a hard time taking TM’s word for anything when it hasn’t been backed up by anyone else. Remember, he said all paperwork connected to Suburban Drive was in NeJame’s office but LE found important documents hidden away in Texas. Hard to say why George was driving around the hotel. Maybe he wanted to see what his attorney was doing. Was he asked about it in his deposition? Were the As asked about the x on the map incident? Did they or the female bodyguard back up his version of things?
Then there is Joe J who completely changed his story, trying to cancel his original emails sent to LE once he realized it might be exculpatory information for Casey. I found Richard Creque’s interview interesting because he is claiming to have smelled decomp when near the wooden fence, if I am understanding him correctly but this is months after Caylee would have been put there, according to LE. If it would take no more than a couple of weeks in that heat to be fully skelontinized that would put her death more like sometime around or after the time Kronk said she was there but Cain didn’t see her. Curiouser and curiouser. Oh, but wait! She was underwater at that time. That would have hidden the smell.
Time for me to pull myself away and get my day started. Have a good one all.
I see that most all of the discovery is repeats and saw no sign of what was mentioned at the press conference. Or did I miss it? Maybe the team will have to call on the new Anthony attorney do a public service announcement?
Zuben, One of the interviews released was from a lady from Texas that backs up Tim’s story. Leonard Padilla and the girl he had sitting with Casey both claim same thing. I would like to hear from George’s Police friend from Ohio. Jo Jordan, not sure about that one. I see nothing for him to gain. He could have made a mistake. The decomp is an interesting one. I agree with you there. Too much time had passed and wrong place to smell something that strong. Have a great day!
Can you refresh my memory on the lady’s name from Texas? I’d like to reread that because I don’t quite remember her being that clear about the story. I thought Miller told her the story and she was saying what he told her. Padilla never spent any time in the house with Casey did he? Has he yet said anything that proved to be true? He is notorious for false information. Remember the terpines in the trunk story? Any place that has evergreens will have terpines. If anyone has ever had turpentine, a Christmas tree or branches in the trunk this might be found.
Joe Jordon went to a lot of trouble marking the map, writing to LE to tell them he searched where Caylee was found and she wasn’t there to suddenly pretend he never said it at all and claim the defense is trying to use him or set him up. But, I could be wrong.
Because of all of the sad sorry mistakes made not only by TES & LE, to now claim they know for a fact that Caylee’s body was in those woods from whatever day the SAO’s will allude to, to whatever motive the SAO’s will use, IMO, the jury will have a tough time believing all of the abstract information being fed to them.
Shouldn’t a prosecutor have at least one fact to build a case? What they do have is a strong suspect, no factual cause of death, no factual date of death, no weapon, no prints, no DNA.
“No” to many other factors needed to prove their case.
Even if this were a simple case of burglary, I would have to push my emotions and sympathy aside. I would still need more facts in order to deem this person guilty. The fact of this case is, a child is dead and the mother is lying. IMO, Murder One doesn’t fit the crime. Felony child neglect would be easier to prove and Casey could still face up to 30yrs in prison not to mention, save the taxpayers a helluva a lot of money, imho.
Zuben…her name is Lisa Hoffman, from Texas. Tim may have relayed the story, sounds that they were all kicked out same time. Looking for the statement from Padilla now. He was on TV last night and relayed same story.
Zuben,
It seems like the doc dump was a bust. Nothing about the questionable cell phone pings as I hoped..Bummer.
Thanks JB. I skimmed and came to the same conclusion. Will JB need to let the As new attorney disclose what is missing?
We know this isn’t all because Kronk’s records were released. Perhaps they like the drama of the public waiting in suspense. Or maybe no one has asked for all of it? Cancel that one, not possible.
Damagdpets, that is what I recall too. Lisa H heard it from Miller. Padilla, as far as I know, was never allowed inthe house, nor was TP, only Tracy and I don’t believe she could back up Miller’s story either. Like I said, I won’t trust a man’s word that would say everything important is in Orlando then hide the most important docs in Texas. I think Miller still hasn’t gotten over the bitterness caused by his daughter’s death and allows it to guide his judgment and actions. He had his mind made up already before he went to the As. He agreed to come there to look for Caylee alive and never attempted that. He had an agenda encouraged by LE.
I was thinking about George’s possible motives for driving by the hotel they were staying at. Is it possible he wanted to see who all was there with them to test Miller’s honesty and motives? He might have even suspected their attorney and PR man’s motives and loyalty. He might have been looking for cars belonging to them and LE.
With Jordon’s original notes and emails, the water test, some other searcher’s, DC’s and Cain’s testimony I think there is more than reasonable doubt that Caylee was dead and there when LE says she was there. It is also possible to tell the difference between decomposition that took place under water and not but I didn’t see that addressed. Any bones that were only partially covered with water would have a water mark, dirt line showing the top level the water reached. If the bags were completely submerged there would be evidence of that also. It would be especially noticeable on the fabric bag and clothing. Did the photos look like dirt was deposited all over them? It may be hard to tell from the photos we’ve seen but I would expect LE to have noted that if it were the case. At least it would have been noted in the report from the ME’s office. Oh, I saw a photo the other day of decomposed body fat that had reached the fluid stage. It didn’t match the color of the paper towel found in the trunk garbage bag. Besides, I don’t believe the fats would come without the other purge fluids. I have to conclude the trash contained kitchen fats.
Zuben,
True, if the body was left there in mid June, I would expect the body would skeletonize within 2-3 weeks in the Florida heat. Approx. 2mos. later, Aug 13, in the heat and water rising and ebbing with every rainfall, it’s likely to me, the bones would have water stains and debris lines as you mentioned. Good point. I’m looking forward to the expert testimony.
The trunk? That’s an entirely different entity. Thanks for your comment.
The water marks if any are interesting. I’m not sure we have all the info. We don’t know how long the plastic bag may have been sealed enough not to let water in. It’s possible that plant or vegetation growth may have held the bag in one place. I’m guessing that it did. There was enough time (IF) Caylee was placed there until the rains came. One other thing to think about…we have no idea of when Caylee was put into those bags…you would expect to find more purging in the trunk if she was not in the bags within the 1st 24 hours. I’m still trying to figure out how the maggots came to be…..that was not re-created in there tests, what’s missing?
I listened to Padilla’s interview….he was kicked out of the house by KC the day after she came home. This stemmed from Cindy inviting him in to talk to KC and KC started the story of Blanchard Park….after that him and Rob D stayed in a mobile home outside. If you can stand it….listen to Tarcy McLaughlin’s interview.
No, we don’t have all the information because we can’t see anything other than some pics fitting a computer screen or smaller. But more important, the defense wasn’t allowed to see anything in person until it was completely moved and disturbed. They would have a much easier time putting the picture together if they had both close up and wide view pics and also could have seen what LE saw in situ. Yes, there could have been enough low vegetation to keep the bags from moving much, and I’m sure that is the case but remember, the bag was torn open early enough that animals were able to move her, lower extremities still attached. My guess is this is about half way through the deomp process. That would put it about 1-2 weeks post mortem, giving an extra week to allow for the slower decomp during the time the bag may have been more tightly closed. But, I’ve tied those bags and there is no way that it would keep blowflies out.
Damagdpets, you are assuming she was in the trunk first and that isn’t a given, I don’t believe. But assuming you are right, yes there would be signs of purging fluid in the trunk if she was in there for 2.6 days and there was no sign of that at all, shown in any of the forensic testing so far. I don’t care if the air sample were a proven science and not just a developing science in its experimental or development stage. There would need to be fluids or the dried residue to create that smell. So far all they’ve shown is a bag of trash. The maggots are easy to explain. Trash attracts bugs, both blowflies and coffin flies when it gets good and ripe. The blowflies did their work and left, coffin flies moved in to lick the Velveeta and Stouffer platters clean.
Back to Suburban drive, lets say Casey stored her somewhere then put her there on June 27 before running out of gas. She would have nearly been skeletonized by then if she had died on the 16, too late for animals to carry her away like they did. So, back up a week or so to the 24th when she ran out of gas the 1st time. No matter how you look at it, she would have to already be there by the time Faye came through. Here shorts would have already been next to the bag and lots of muck would have had opportunity to settle in on them which I don’t see sign of in the pics. Exhibit 28 in Cindy’s depo is the laundry bag. I see blotches of discoloring and crease marks where it was crunched up but no sign of water lines or what I would think looks more like water and mud stains rather than decomp stains or those picked up from setting on damp dirt. The off white coloring is pretty close to the natural color in some areas, fairly bright even though it must have at least had some wet leaves starting to decompose on it after the fall. Worms love to get up under there during the autumn while it is still warm enough to work. Actually, the top rim where the metal insert is looks the most like it could have been in the muck but the description says it was upright and the black bad was too, with handles at the top. So, was that part under water and someone changed or moved it? The shorts, exhibit 31 look in rougher shape but still, I can clearly see the colored stripes quite vividly. The outside of the left leg looks much cleaner than the rest so if it was under water I’d say that was the top and it didn’t completely submerge them. The right waist looks like the part that was most downward in the mud. I just happened to think of something too. Size 24 months, if she could still fit into them and was actually wearing them, have a snaping crotch until they get into toddler sizes. If it wasn’t snapped then it would slip off, contrary to my saying animals couldn’t carry away the pelvis with the upper legs still attached and lose the shorts along the way. I’m sorry for being so graphic. It is an unpleasant thought but jurors will have to ponder a lot worse, I’m sure.
Just wanted to drop a thought on the fatty substance on the papertowel,
there was also traces of THC on the papertowel, and TL is a known pothead , and this was allegedly his trash, which leads me to conclude that , that papertowel was used to clean off his package of pot.
Smugglers pack marijuana in bacon grease to conceal the smell.
Oh really? Interesting. Bacon grease it is. I suspected that but didn’t know it might be for something other than breakfast.
Thanks IndyGal.
Hola! JB — thanks for your support — decided to come over and thank you “personally” —
You’re welcome Yo Hola
Since I’m never a “quitter” …. I’m staying “put” at Bill’s blog. Oftimes, I don’t post ’cause the click is soooo far out of touch, but after a while I am compelled. Did you see the Judypc foolishness about how the trial should be conducted? She is so far up her own **s … and takes others with her —
BBL — enjoy the day
Hi Indy Gal,
Hmm..I wasn’t aware of the use of bacon grease to cover the smell of marijuana? Interesting. If TL fried bacon and drained it on a paper towel, that could explain it too. Just saying…But this could explain the fatty substance Zuben mentioned.
As for the odor, I do have some first hand knowledge of rotting food odors. Post-Katrina, no one was allowed back into the city until mid-Oct. 7 weeks is a long time. When I returned to assess the damage, needless to say the refrigerator reaked. I opened it once and the smell of rotting meat, chicken, eggs and all of the unknown perishables permeated the house for months even after we sealed it with duct tape and rolled it out to the curb. My house was over 2000 sq. ft area. Imagine what rotting food in a tightly sealed trunk in the Florida heat would smell like. And now we’re finding out Yuri Melich wasn’t exactly convinced of the odor either.
I tend to believe that because if he was certain of the odor, there’s no way Det. Melich would have left Hopespring Drive without the car and Casey. That’s how I see it.
Thanks for sharing that with us. Come back soon.
JB
Has anyone seen the emails from Ricardo M released Tuesday? I can’t find them but I know they were released because there is a news article about them.
Hi Yo Hola. I tried participating there once or twice but won’t anymore because most are so rude. They should at least be tolerant and respectful in an adult conversation. Plus it takes forever to load.
Zub, the emails were listed along with D Casey emails….I read them but now can’t find the link. It was in WFTV article and Sentinel but now have disappeared…really strange. I will say there was not much to them except Ricardo trying to make money….
FyI—- JB — I think I’ll be a regular here — okay?
Thanks, Damagdpets. Yes, strange. I like looking at little details like dates. I was wondering if JP and Rico were negotiating at the same time. I’ve always been curious about JP because he is the only one I’ve read doesn’t like Casey but some pics from before Caylee was born show him looking pretty happy for her camera lens. Makes me wonder why he didn’t like her. I also caught a glimpse of his movie making efforts before he took them all down. Isn’t he working for one of the local media outlets? That could be why those disappeared, you think?
Zub, it was not just his emails but the D Casey and Cindy emails were all in the same doc release. I read them last night. I kind of got caught up in something else later in the evening. It had to do with how many people that wrote into the court….to Strickland. Any one of the letters that were received would have been grounds for recusal if the judge would have read them.
Yo Hola, There are a few who hang around BS that are still smart ass High School know it alls. The grounds belong to all the students but they take over and rudely bully others out. If you can’t agree and please their way of thinking they pick at everything about you. Totally bully boring. I think they really believe they are impressing BS. Like “BS” they are! LOL! So far, even if thoughts differ here as long as it is done in a respectable verbal, no one has been rude to me. It is a learning process because of some very dedicated who examine all the threads & buttonholes for themselves along with respectfully acknowledging the LE. I haven’t had to take a firm stand on “not guilty” or “guilty” like at BS, to be able to stop by occassionally.
JB, I apologize for my sticking my two cents in here.
Thanks — I’m here
Damagdpets, the DC Cindy emails were released some time ago. Are you saying they were in that doc dump and the media is just now getting around to talking about the details? They made it sound like they were just released. Here is what I’ve seen released on the 21st
» Investigative Photos Of Casey’s Trunk
» Photos Taken By Search Volunteer Joy Wray
» Video Of Joy Wray At Caylee Memorial In May ’09
» Video Of Wray Back At Memorial In June ’09
» AUDIO INTERVIEWS: Tim Miller | Joe Jordan | Hoffman | Ibison | Tinelli | Reilly | Creque | Rovinsky | Churchill | C. Conaway | J. Conaway
Zuben…I swear to you there was another category listing emails docs…I have been looking for an hour trying to locate it. The emails between Cindy and D Casey and reverse, were different than what I have already read. At least I think they were…have a headache from all the reading last night…I’ll keep looking..
Heres my humble opinionated theory if anyone cares to read…
(I posted this on Topix a while back and got a severe bashing)
RG calls Caylee a SEVERE DISRUPTION to him, he could no longer watch Caylee and pressed Casey on taking Caylee elsewhere in April of 2006, April of 2006 is the first RG heard of Zani,
April 23rd 2006 was KCs last day of employment @ Universal. So KC a new mom, trying to work to support her daughter, prob not trusting just anyone to watch her new baby, she makes up Zani to get RG off her back, and to mantain what pride she had left,
so she ends up getting fired for no show, could not stay home with Caylee or Cindy’d jump down her throat on what a piece of $hit loser she was, so she continues with the nanny story for years, taking Caylee everywhere with her while supposedly at work, hanging with different friends on different alleged days off.
June 15th 2008 Caseys up late talking & texting Tony June 16th between the hours of 9am & 1pm Casey is napping & texting not thinking of who’s watching Caylee,
Caylee is either abducted, or drowns….
either way Casey would have reacted the same way,
she lied compulsively her whole life,
never owned up to her mistakes,
why change when her negligence was biggest mistake of her life,
(pick up the phone and dial 911 is what normal people in reality would do)
but Casey is a stranger not only the truth but also reality,
hell she insisted she was a virgin when she was 8 months pregnant,
she hid it until she could no longer,
still noone knows who the father is,
she did not intentionally kill Caylee just like she did not intentionally concieve Caylee.
(imo her lies will set her free)
IndyGal, It is good to read that after the fact a common shock human behavior weaved into this. I have maintained Caylee could have drowned at TL’s location pool since that is where someone stated he last saw “them” I can accept the possibility that Casey followed thru in such a manner as you describe here, ending up with the “can’t win for losing” thought and everything just kept evolving with that. I sure do hope Casey did not plan to deliberately kill Caylee like so many choose to believe.
Damagdpets, it wouldn’t be the first time something had disappeared, if it was there. I just rechecked wftv, wesh and clickorlando, nothing.
IndyGal, I’m following you on the first half. That is quite possibile. The only part I can’t see is being at home between 9 & 1 when something happened. I do believe that George was there during that time and saw them leave at 12:50. His work record/schedule seems to back him up on that too. Perhaps she could have come back after he left. Many think she was on the pc at home that afternoon but I don’t see any sign of her on the computer that afternoon at all, through what they have released. But, I noticed they didn’t include the windows history on the PC or the firefox data for either. That seems really strange to me. They would want to eliminate anyplace she couldn’t have been that day. I think she was somewhere close to home that would hit those cell towers, without anything else to go on.
Zub,
I am getting the 9am to 1pm from Casey, she said she dropped Caylee of between those hours, she had the 31 days right so I honestly think whatever happened to Caylee happened between those hours and thats all Casey knows.
Perhaps Casey thought GA was watching Caylee, and when she realized he was not and Caylee was missing she freaked out.
(GA did say he got up with Caylee most mornings and got her breakfast)
Did’nt that pedophile sneak in peoples houses in the early morning hours?
I’d like to know if GA was mistaken bout the last time he saw them, what was casey wearing in the blockbuster video, anyone know?
Also what was GAs work schedule on the 16th, knowing this might help me conjure another theory.
Also I think the searches on missing children could have been Casey trying to find out what the chances of Caylee being alive were, wondering if a childless woman stole her to love her or if a pervert stole her to kill her. ~ just a thought
Hi Indy Gal,
If I remember correctly, Casey was wearing shorts @ Blockbuster. As for GA’s work schedule, I believe he was suppose to be at work for 2PM. I know it’s in his interview. Also I believe the Blockbuster video can be found at YouTube.
BTW, your theory sounds feasible. I also feel Casey would rather die a slow death then admit to Cindy, Caylee died in an accident or was kidnapped because of her negligence. There’s a reason Caylee was so clingy with Casey. Probably b/c Casey was overprotective. JMO, of course.
Yo Hola, Yo Hola!!
What took you so long? LOL Of course you’re welcome to join the discussion here. I’m looking forward to your insightful and thought provoking commentary.
Hi Comment,
Good thought. I never thought about Tony’s pool before. Hmm.. I’m going to think about that. Interesting. Remember River Cruz leaked to the press, GA said this is all an accident cover up gone bad?? Considering there’s not a clear motive, I think an accident is very possible.
Thanks JB — actually, I thought I “found” you a few months ago… but then …”lost” you—- anyway —can I reiterate a deep gut feeling I have -and was poo poo’ed by the ill-informed about the culture–?
Although it hasn’t been noted — my sense is the drug environment — no — no recreational pot smoking or .. plays a huge role in the demise of little Caylee. It is so very possible that drug king pins would have harmed the little girl to “teach a lesson” ..that would explain the 31days … not telling the authorities, grandparents nor anyone — lies and coverups are part of that culture and Casey is good (or bad) for that. Also, her comments way back to her parents while she was in jail — that harm could come to them and all.
Anyway — I can’t help but think Casey got caught up in something larger than she.
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17841181/detail.html
IndyGal,
Here’s a slide show of Casey on June 16 with Tony.
BBL
I’m leaning toward involvement in the underworld out of control more than an accident for a couple of reasons. One is something I need to add to the phone part of the digitial forensics, JB. I’ll send it to you when I get it put together clear enough so others can understand. Casey said she tried to call ZG around 5pm when she went to pick up Caylee and she wasn’t there. There isn’t any call that I can see on the 16th that could fit but there is one a day later at 17:20 to a number, still unidentified as far as I can see, with an Omnipint Miami cell, Ft. Lauderdale exchange. Why have we not seen this number investigated? Or have we and I missed it? If I’m remembering correctly, both times she tried to call this number she was over in the JB Park area.
YoHola,
Yes, I agree. There’s more than one reason for NOT calling 911.
Check this out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wx97FTSqdU
Here’s part 5. This was an undercover sting operation set up by LE with TL’s cooperation. You’ll hear Lee & Tony discuss his roommate being ripped off of $5000 of “product”. It’s implied Casey was the one who did it.
Great Zuben. So KC was near JB park.. in the early days? Didn’t realize that… I’m looking forward to what you find. I’ll keep an eye on my email.
Thanks
JB —- finally — my theory — which –truth be told — I posited way back on GretaWire — then on and on and the “masses” more than pooed pooed the concept — they’d rather vilify — come up with stupid names for those involved and just deal within their own little circle of information — refreshing! Who knows — but — I suspect …. maybe, just maybe — casey staying in jail is to protect her? And — no family visits … are also by design — hum!
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4782200/Casey-Anthony-Lazzaro-Wiretap-Phone-Record-Investigation-released-March-5
Hey Yo Hola,
Here’s a good link to read. It explains what LE learned from TL’s wiretap and a few other interesting topics.
Yes, I welcome everyone’s thoughts and theories. I never understood why some people would choose to demean others simply for having a different perspective.
BTW, I was interested in something you posted on BS’s. I think it had something to do with the neighbors on Suburban Dr. near the school?? Can you fill me in? TIA
I read the other day that the defense was going to call witnesses who reported a young voice perhaps calling for “help” by a school, near where Caylee’s remains were found … actually, that’s what started the craziness of late — the “brains” at BS decided it was not relevant .. of course …. none of them have their law degree .. or probably even HS dipoma …… anyway — perhaps u can back track from here …..
here’s what I wrote … and then the police report link…
Yo Hola! said, on September 23, 2010 at 7:39 am Maybe I missed it ….but … why has there been no discussion regarding the two independent persons who reported screams for “help”, possibly from an adolescent or child’s voice near the elementary school in the vicinity near where Caylee’s remains were found? I find this of interest.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=55148143
Thanks Yo,
I think the defense may be interested because on that day, Oct 09, 2008 LE arrived along with a K-9 unit. They said they searched the wooded area on the north side of Hidden Oaks Elem. and the south side. Both areas came back with negative results. I don’t know if this included across the street from the school but if it did, this may solidify their notion that if Caylee was there, she should have been found. Just a guess, but maybe.
Thanks for the info.
have things to do …. but apparently some from BS come over here and read and than “report” that Yo Hola has been quite chatty…. well, I think they’re all quite “catty” … bbl
One of those two people are the new addition to the witness list. I looked at the wind direction for that day and it didn’t come from the school. From their house it would have been the direction where Caylee was found. Unless the wind was changing directions a lot that day, the sound didn’t come from the school. I’ll have to double check that though, after I track down the date and time again. I think wunderground has a graph of the whole day’s wind.
Zuben,
I’m not sure of what’s north or south of the school. Isn’t the vacant lot where Caylee was found on the south? Just wondering…I’m starting to think Florida’s K-9 units are over-rated.
Since this happened in mid-October 2008, I’m not thinking it was Caylee or Casey, but I am wondering where the dogs tracked.
It’s unbelievable to think, in this area that LE never found Caylee’s body and Tim Miller leaves after 4 days and collecting close to $70,000 to find Caylee. He says the water was too deep. Gimme a break..Couldn’t they pump the water out?
Even if this is all to there is to this story, I think the fact they were so close AGAIN is a more important story. Another LE opportunity that missed the mark. Weird.
The School is NNE of the Anthony home, 9° on the compass. Caylee was found at nearly 355° of the home, which is NNW. Both neighbors said they heard a child screaming to the NW. The angle from them to the school is 350° for the neighbor at the end of Fl. Harbor Dr, the 1st one that called and nearly due North for the other at 2° . Even the one with the school NNW is more North than NW but she might not be the best ad pointing out direction. Their end of the road angels NE so that might throw them off too. All the more reason the wind direction might play a part in supporting their story.
Here, http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KMCO/2008/10/9/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA you can see that at 8:53, 2 minutes after the 1st 911 call, the winds were calm and humitity was 91% with cloudy skies, good conditions for picking up sound clearly from a distance and the direction being pretty accurate, as compared to the winds being gusty or swirling. The wind speed graph shows no measurable wind from 7-9am. The wind direction graph shows 0 also. Wether the women were disoriented, looking as north off the end of their curved road or not, the angle to where Caylee was found is much more accurate according to their description of it coming from the NW. The 1st call came from an angle of 318.68° measuring to Caylee and the other is 337.10°. NW is 315°. I’d say this is one for the defense and the wind god was favoring Casey that day, exercising his right to remain silent.
LE didn’t search in very far on their side of the woods because it was wet. The retention pond is right there and the land slopes toward it so that side would take longer to drain. Again, I am reminded that if Caylee were there in July, a good dog would want to follow that scent. He should have drug his handler down the road. It wasn’ that far and she was above ground. The same is true if they had the dogs on Suburban drive at any point. We know dogs have been there multiple times. Are the dogs so obedient that they would ignore that just because their handler says “It’s too wet boy, lets go”?
One more thing. I think I remember reading that they pointed to the direction they heard the sound coming from, not simply stating a direction. All the more reason that the cop shouldn’t have just assumed they were were wrong and it came from the school, just because someone said their was a noisy child there that may have made the noise. I wonder what time the bell rings there, having everyone inside. If it wasn’t until 9 there could have been students outside at 8:51. My local elementary begins its day at 8:45.
ZubenElSchemail
September 26, 2010 at 7:25 am
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you have listed my sentiments precisely — but had you read how the “experts” at BS wanted to chop my head off and to stop mentioning this beacase “in their opinon” (not, of course than any are part of the defense team) it was investigated and it isn’t important,.. well, what IS important is that the witness list will include the person who phoned — and .. LE has proven not to be terribly thorough.
How refreshing is it to offer thought/information without being castigated. But — one thing for sure ….. “those” folks will be left in the dark soon….
Hi all — been reading posts and thoughts — and I think I’d like to participate.
Welcome, Inshalla. I’m sure you’re welcome by JB too. aside from the few disrespectful comments that seem to feel threatened by an opposing view, there are thoughtful participants here and more always welcomed.
Yo Hola, I have never seen any of the bashing comments backed up with one page number, quote or anything that would give them substance. I can only assume it is because they are backed up with wishful thinking rather than real substance. I may be wrong with some of my conclusions or thoughts but at least they are based on something tangible and I attempt to explain the basis. That is the kind of comment I like to read. Perhaps it is possible the women did hear a child at the school, misjudging where it came from. But regardless, the report shows how little LE was willing to get their feet wet. I mean that literally and figuratively, while also including Cain.
ZubenElSchemali
September 26, 2010 at 11:26 am —-
I too think LE was inefficient and sloppy in the beginning — (ala OJ) — however — the point is — if the defense thinks the person who made the call re: possibly hearing a young voice calling for help … so be it! I think the defense has the right … no …obligation to follow up all possibilties —
And — bloggers … make decisions on a life and death case??? I think not!
Your right, Inshalla. Thank God it is not the blogging population that is making this life and death decision, or any other. Yes, the defense needs to follow up on all possibilities that LE doesn’t. That is a lot of work though.I’ve had a hard time just sorting out all the typos and repeated pages. It is a humongous task sorting through, what is it now, 23,000 or so pages plus photos? But for it to take so long one would need to go back to refresh the memory and double check facts, constantly. To do that without pay is a lot to ask but to do it voluntarily says a lot to me. I know Baez got some money but is that such a good attorney wage for 3 years of work? The others don’t even get that. They had a good thing with Andrea because she had students that could benefit from voluntary service. Maybe Baez has a few that are helping.
Hi Inshalla and welcome.
Looking forward to your comments and perspectives.
JB — thank you —–
ZubenElSchemail
September 26, 2010 at 7:12 am
I couldn’t find where the police reports state they used a cadaver dog. It was probably a regular k-9 unit. The k-9 dogs are patrol trained in tracking, buildings, woods, area searches, and apprehension, usually for live suspects. Some are trained to sniff out drugs as well as regular duties. These types have been the most sought out for departments.
Phone records. I can’t find who belongs to the 954 #. She called that number 3 times, the last and notable for 96 seconds. That would have been long enough for a voice mail. What bothers me more than that one number…all the rest of the phone calls and texts. Caylee gone sometime on the 16th of June….according to KC’s phone records, her life did not change. She claimed to have called Zaneida 1st and Juliet and Jeffery 2nd, yet we have no evidence of that. She also claimed that Caylee called on July 15th, again no call to verify.
From reading her phone records it’s quite evident that she could not live without that phone. It would make sense that the most important people would be on that phone. JMO
ZUben, I hope this helps. The 954 number: Casey told Lee in a phone call that the number was associated with Zaneida as well as a 407 and 321 area codes also associated with same. She claimed that she mostly text with Zanny and would show up in her phone records. I am posting the links for the audio as well as the transcript as they are good reading. Questions about her Black Jack phone do not agree with statement to LE.
transcript
http://babyboomeradvisorclub.com/2009/01/11/casey-anthony-and-lee-anthony-phone-conversation-on-july-26-2008/
Audio
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-caylee-anthony-casey-lee-mp3,0,2257422.mp3file
Damagdpets, I think they were K-9. My pdf won’t allow a search so I have to scan with my eyes. Are you sure there are 3 calls to the 9899 number? I only noticed 1. Sean H and Drew H from Fusion also have Ft. Lauderdale numbers. I would have to say though, that any unidentified numbers could possibly be who Casey said she called so I couldn’t say with certainty that she didn’t try to call. There are still a few that don’t have names attached to them. Now, I’m not saying that Casey didn’t lie at all. I’m sure she did. But, some of the lies may have been for a purpose other than covering up and some may have been mixing up of the days, like with the original June 9 date. As for the call she said she hear Caylee talking about her book and shoes, do you know who the Vero Beach number belongs to, 772-501-1500. This call was made by Casey at high noon on July 14, not the 15th but until that number is identified I don’t think anyone can say there never was a call. Yes, Casey made the call and it was a different day but eye witnesses get things wrong all the time. There was another call to this number on July 10, just before noon too. Neither was a long call but…I believe she said it was cut short. But then again, she could have been lying about all that. I can’t know at this point without knowing who all the numbers belong to. We don’t even know for sure who she’d be calling at Lexus do we? Somewhere people are saying they believe it is a mistake in the phone records and it really is Gentiva but I see plenty of Gentiva calls in the records so that really doesn’t make sense. I also see that she made a call to directory assistance but didn’t call a new number in that time period so I would have to assume she asked for a number and there was no listing. So, who was she looking for? Just too many questions.
Wow! I’ve been away from the computer for a while, and am trying to catch up here! A lot of interesting info. Zuben’s extensive research; Snoop’s take on the family dynamics; so much good stuff!
There are so many questions in this case, and I really appreciate the different views. Hopefully, all the pieces of the puzzle will be revealed and the whole truth will come out.
Have a great night, everyone!
Zuben, Without buying into a reverse number service…it’s too hard to find out about the cell numbers. There is not info to cross reference phone numbers with names at docstoc. The 9899# she called on 6/17/08@17:20:41 for 0-seconds, 6/27/08@13:51:41 for 96-seconds and 6/27/08@14:03:51 for 5-seconds. I believe George worked security at a Lexus dealer during this time period. There has to be more cell records that have not been dumped yet, Cindy and Lee, especially. I’ll keep pokin along…
the natives r restless and out of control again ….
Hi Myrrh, nice to see you.
Thank you so much, Damagdpets. I wish the docs were text form or html so all of them were searchable. Some of the pdfs just don’t work. The one call you have listed is Jesse G though. There are two calls to this number on the 27th but both at 15:31. Ok, so if this number was disconnected on the 17th, it isn’t on the 27th. That happens a lot with some people’s cell phones though, when they aren’t paid. They get tuned off and on. I think what is important to me is that this number didn’t show up before Caylee went missing. Of course we don’t have before June 1 but if I were LE I would look at any new numbers showing up, especially if they were out of town numbers from the area the POI says the real POI is from.
Now I am more convinced that this number may be important. Look at the call just before these two on 6/27, the day she abandoned the car. It is another unknown, at least to us, 407-312-9587. I shows up on 6/20, 6/27, 7/1, 7/9, 7/12, perhaps even more. I haven’t finished scanning. Casey said ZG had a 954, 407 and 321 area code. Could she have meant 312? This number is a Verison phone in Winter park but it is really Cellco partnership, a subsidary. A search brought up this red flag: http://community.vzw.com/t5/Billing-and-Usage/Cellco-Partnership-DBA-Verizon-Wireless/td-p/250473 where it seems that this service was tracked using 2 IPs that were charging to someone else’s phone that didn’t use the internet. They sell prepaid phones, as well as standard service. I suspect that the above is a disposable phone used to hack into someone elses.
I believe George worked for Security Forces and then Andrews International and was doing security at Fashion Square Mall, which it looks like he got hired for on the evening of June 24. His last day with Security Forces was June 30. This comes from his July 24 interview, beginning doc page 1733. He worked Sunday through Thursday 3rd shift, but on June 27 he worked for Security Forces from 7:30am to 3:pm on Pershing road, some place he calls hole pile (or maybe it is a typo/transcription error). On July 24 he seems to say he had worked the day shift for Security Forces for the prior 5 month but I think he is saying occasionally they were offered an extra shift on their day off and that Friday was his “day turn”. The Lexus number is in Winter Park on Semoran, near TL and White Sail. It is a car dealership an I haven’t heard of that type of business having guards on foot. I would think patrols that handle a group of businesses on a route would be more like it. George wasn’t that type of guard, was he?. The way he describes his work it was at one location, like the mall guards that walk the floors. I’ve seen nothing in the docs to lead me to believe he worked at Lexus. The times these calls were made don’t jive with his work schedule either. Some were before his shift would start.
Reading this transcript really bothers me, reading statements from Melich and Allen that include, “hurt your family” and “And y’all do this well I’m going to make all kinds of trouble for you.” That is just wrong for them to say that sort of thing. That is an abuse of power that I was talking about earlier.
Hi JB,
This is my first visit to your site
I admire your research and work ethic.
I was wondering if you had any readers that wanted to sign my petition? I hope you do not mind my being so forward and asking. You can delete my comment if you like and it will not hurt my feelings at all.
Here is my link: https://daveknechelsucks.wordpress.com/
or you can click on my name. Have a nice evening everyone!!!!
Wordslinger,
I have no problem with adding the link here. Good idea. Hopefully.. somehow this moron can be stopped before May 11th. Whatever it takes.
Thanks for your kind words too.
JB
Google Search connection?
I went to the HinkyMeter which is always a reliable source. I hope she won’t mind.
Source: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/casey-anthony-murder-trial/timeline-and-discovery/
I found this interesting..
March 2008
6th – 2:49 pm google search performed on Anthony desktop for “hide + myspace”
2:52 pm google search performed on Anthony desktop for “hide + blog”
CA worked 8:00 am to 5:30 pm
11th – 11:11 am three google searches performed on Anthony desktop for “casey + anthony”
11:12 am three google searches performed on “casey + anthony” and one google search performed on “casey + marie + anthony”
11:13 am google search performed on “casey + marie + anthony” and google search performed on “colonial + high + school”
CA worked 8am to 5pm
13th – 10:44 am google search performed on Anthony desktop for “lost + numbers”
11:17 am google search performed for “bustdown”
CA worked 8:30 am to 5:30 pm
17th – 1:43 to 1:55 pm Google searches are made on the Anthony desktop computer for “chloraform”, “chloroform”, “alcohol”, “acetone”, and “peroxide”.
2:16 to 2:28 pm Wikipedia searches are done on the word “shovel”.
CA worked 8am to 6pm. GA not working on this day.
19th – 10:30 to 10:41 am Google searches are made on the Anthony desktop computer for “one tree hill” and “one tree hill 100th episode”. This episode was about a nanny kidnapping a child.
CA worked 8:30 am to 5:45 pm. GA worked 9:00 am to 6:50 pm.
21st – 2:16 to 2:28 pm Google searches are made on the Anthony desktop computer for “how to make chloraform”, “how to make chloroform”, “self defense”, “household weapons”, “neck breaking”, and “shovel”. During these searches some one goes to page 79 of this online Google book: Self Defense for Women. Page 79 begins a chapter on “personal and household articles as weapons”.
Searches are performed on blogspot.com, sci-spot.com, druglibrary.org and instructables.com for the words “making weapons out of household products”, “chloroformhabit”, “chloroform”, “how to make chloroform”, and “chloro2″.
CA worked 8:30 am to 6:00 pm. GA worked 7:00 am to 5 pm.
Then I find this happened in June. I always wondered why KC googled her name + blog. It’s just too strange of a coincidence not to think about. This ZG is an online journalist?
June 2008
9th – Up until this point TL had been riding in KCs car because his jeep was broke down. TL has Jeep towed to shop. TL picks jeep up in afternoon. KC sends a myspace message to BS asking if she knows any female singers for TL’s business. BS started receiving emails from KC asking her to come to Fusion.
A “Zenaida Gonzalez”, an online journalist/bloggist, (ZGo) in Brevard County, Fl, has her office robbed. The thief takes her computer, which includes her personal information, phone numbers, etc.
I didn’t know what bustdown meant and had to look it up. Perhaps that is the same reason this search was done. IT is a derogatory term for a promiscuous woman. I might have thought it was a woman with saggy breasts, LOL. I’ve always been uncomfortable with these types of terms, noticing there are none that I know of for a promiscuous man.
Lost is the name of a tv show, Numbers is the name of one of the episides where the numbers that were lost were 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, & 42, being on a winning lottery ticket. Speaking of numbers, the two most karmic numbers, 4 (earthly conflict and struggles), 8 (the reaction to 4 when it is doubled and seems to go on into infinity, as seen when 8 is turned on its side or written), 15, the number called the devil, also known as Ol Nick. I love looking at number 15 in the old Rider-Waite Tarot deck. If you turn the card upside down, the face turns into a laughing elf. Now that is laughable, Mr. Ashton. Now, if you turn evil upside down or backwards, what do we have? Live.
There is one more karmic number in this list. 16 is the tower of Babel, the lightening struck tower where all erroneous ideas are struck down. I think that will be the result of this trial, one way or another. One thing I noticed is missing from Val’s list are the searches connected to fleas. As I looked this doc over I came to the conclusion (having been there myself) that someone was researching ways to kill fleas once they have infested your home. My household weapon of choice is a candle set into a pie plate of soapy water, lit at night. The fleas are attracted, jump toward the light and die instantly. Even water leads to death but soap makes it quick and sure. Yes, I will murder fleas if they invade my space. I might even premeditate if for 3 months but surely they don’t hope to convince the jury Casey was premeditating Caylee’s death for that long, given her efforts to potty train, taking her to the doctor, etc.
Zub, I’m sorry I missed your comment here. Very interesting..I like numerology as well. My name number = 4. 20 is my least favorite number. I’ve had 2 car accidents in my life and they were both on the 20th of the month. As a precaution, I try to stay off of the road on the 20th of the month. 6 & 11 are my favorite combination numbers which always bring me good luck on the roulette wheel. Intriguing..
Ashton is showing his negative side as of late. At first I thought LDB was the fidgety one but Ashton seems annoyed too. LOL, I mean is Baez that bad or are they just frustrated with the lack of evidence, IDK..
flea investation? You’re the only person I know that noted this. I glanced over it and didn’t think much of it but considering the Ants had a couple of dogs and a cat its logical.
BTW, I noticed your textbook signs of a serial flea killer but I never had proof, so the cat’s out the bag. Sorry Zub..You’ll have to deal with the blogsters now. LOL But I do like your method..no fumes. I’ll try it.
Well..Maybe Casey is psychic? How did she know “casey + blog” would be so popular?
Don’t like 20, huh? It’s the number of judgment, so easily misused and abused. But, I notice justice is your lucky number, the first master number, 11. Cool! Pythagoras said, “Everything lies veiled in numbers” and that is so true. The master numbers are the most challenging but promise the greatest reward. I have a couple to deal with, myself, one reducing to your other lucky number, 6. 22 is the sum of my vowels, 33 the consonants, adding to 55 for my whole name. While I can’t say I’ve reaped material reward for being successful in meeting the challenge of these master numbers, I have been called a fool (22) on more than one occasion.
The total of Caylee’s name is 86, which must be reduced to 14/5, Temperance. If you are familiar with the tarot, you will notice that whether she was in water or on earth is emphasized with her destiny vibration. The angel has one foot on land, one in the water as he pours water from one cup to the other. Also notice there are no shoes. The symbol for fire is on the angel’s breast…more than one has been fired from their job, since this case began, one being Kronk. Temperance is connected to justice, in that you have to balance both sides, sometimes by adding something to temper the evidence. Just as fat is better than water, in the process of tempering steel, fats may play a part in this trial, both through the adipocere on the bones and on the paper towel in the trunk trash. Extremes don’t work with temperance. Balance and moderation is key. Of course, we have seen tempers fly in this case but I have to wonder what other ways temperance will be manifest. Caylee’s heart’s desire is for something unmanifest to become solid evidence, I think, 0 working through 4. Or perhaps this is a statement saying there is no solid evidence. According to the Rabbi’s Tarot, this vibration represents the final universal law, which is verification, to certify or establish by testing. There is some very important testing going on right now. Each of the numbers, through 22, corresponds to one of the letters of the Hebrew alphabet. 14 is given to the support or prop. The letter looks quite a bit like a pillow, used to prop the head during sleep. This reminds me of her blanket being the support or lying underneath her. But I believe the letter is actually a serpent biting his tail, which reminds me of the famous snake. Even though is co-worker preserved it, Kronk received support though that snake, and ultimately, from Caylee. Well, enough of my mind wanderings and ponderings.
soooooooooooooooooo r we doing numerology???? Might be something to it……… did some studies a number of years ago .. ::-)
sorry —–
Oh, I have no doubt that numerology gives a lot of insight. Everything that exists vibrates to a certain frequency and that frequency can be measured or represented by numbers. I’ve seen the affect of the long wave frequency we see as red bring out violence or passion. I’ve seen a rather slow and long wave frequency given to someone that required a very high frequency made up of short waves get sick, throwing the balance off center. 6/16/2008 adds to a 32/5 day which is a vibration of victory and freedom. Now, does that mean Casey ultimately wanted her freedom and therefore killed Caylee or does it mean that she will ultimately have both victory and her freedom? Time will tell. 12/11/2008= 33/6, a higher octave of the domestic vibration which is a master number, sometimes called the martyr, the savior or the Christ vibration. This might imply that one gives up her life that another might be saved, the reformer and master teacher. But in the usual, less dramatic mundane world, it might be one that sacrifices self needlessly and tends to personal domestic concerns, especially if one isn’t up to the higher task required of a master number. I’m very familiar with both numbers, the former being the total of my birthday, the second being the total of the consonants of my name. I guess I’m a bit of a reformer too but I won’t go into the details to protect my identity. I sometimes loose battles but win the war, living up to the victory of my birthdate. I’m a lover not a fighter though, by nature.
I think I dare say that Caylee Marie Anthony is a reformer and because of her death and this whole process called Justice, she will see to it that something that has been causing injustice will be changed. I may be wrong but I don’t think so.
Hi Zuben,
I initially came back to this thread to ask a question but now having read your previous comment, I’m intrigued by the last paragraph. “she will see to it that something that has been causing injustice will be changed” I think you may be right.
Back to my question. Do you remember one the first jailhouse visitors Patrick Bourgeois? I’ve been curious about him for awhile. Anyway, during his short visit, he just sort of interjects..”Frank say’s hi” My 1st reaction..Frank must be the boat captain listed in Casey’s contacts but now I’m wondering if he’s a friend of Frank McK? Do you think that’s possible? Just wondering..
Computer forensic files
I was looking for something yesterday and ended up back in the computer forensic data. I’m really convinced something was going on with both computers that LE must have decided to ignore. I can see on the pc, on June 15-16 navcancl.htm is active and keeping it from connecting to websites. Apparently this trojan is blocking pages, such as myspace. This is an IE vulnerability. This trojan has the ability to fake web addresses and can capture login info. WINDOWS\System32\shdoclc.dll/dnserror.htm is showing it wasn’t picking up the dns server. See PC internet history, unfiltered.
Furthermore, from the bottom of the file, earliest date, working forward/upward you will see all URL, Host., secure logins, any entry other than cookies, showing both date/time columns with the same time. But on April 15, tax deadline day, of 2008 suddenly all those entries show different times, an hour apart. No, this cannot suddenly be showing a DST change because it is the same time, during other years during DST periods. and in 2008 DST began March 9, with the computer entries still showing the same time until the April 15 entries. At first, from April 15 forward, it is showing a1 hour difference. but then, on June 12 it suddenly switches to a 5 hour difference, including AIM chat on June 30. Casey wasn’t living at home using the pc at that time, she was at Ricardo’s with Amy. There is another DNS error on July 1 when trying to log on to yahoo. Just too many things don’t add up. Remember too, that not only did the laptop suddenly develope a case of BSOD after Tony or LE had access, the home computer developed severe problems and Cindy’s yahoo account was hacked too. I think Lee is proficient enough to clean out any normal unwanted critters and demons but yet he couldn’t seem to fix it.
Zub, Some of the fake alert viruses the redirect IE find their way into the registry. Not many virus programs can remove them. You must go into the registry and remove 3 or 4 things to stop the redirect. A lot of it is harmless and just want you to buy their antimalware version. The instructions are on the internet how to remove. While the trojan is blocking, it is putting up fake web pages. So as it goes, the trojan sits and waits until its executable date or an execution of a file. A trojan like this can follow along in your profile or documents and settings folder, or even a facebook account. I can see it moving from one computer to the other. Not out of the ordinary for a young person to get this type of virus, it often comes with free download music. I have said it in the past, the time stamp is a tough one. Computers lose track of time, all the time. lol
Last thing about the DST…. I rememeber a few years back, George Bush changed the date of daylight savings time, but the computers in the world were not aware. If one does not do windows updates often, then I can see that DST thing getting all messed up.
NTS..Thanks..I am fairly literate in computers..but I knew you were a tech..so I
..The IE redirect can cause a lot of havoc though.
was hoping you would weigh in
Especially for someone who uses the PC frequently..but know nothing about
fixing them. The registry scares most..even with directions. I agree many things
can change the time…
How about the dates..I have often wondered if the dates of the searches alledgedly
done in March..were indeed done then. I suppose they were..I know if there is
a faulty battery dates could be different..but would it be possible that there were
computer power issues?
Casey Anthony Digital Forensics Part I? Absolutely intriguing topic, wishing now I had found your blog sooner to show to my colleagues. Bill Sheaffer could learn much from you. Best of luck to you The JB Mission.
Youre so cool! I suppose Ive learn something new in the Casey Anthony case. So nice to search out other options even though not relevent, just proves that you were open minded. Some original ideas on this subject. realy thanks for starting this up. this website is something that’s needed on the internet, somebody with just a little originality to provoke thought. Good job!